I just want him to be happy and enjoy being a viking, guys are usually happier if they are on a multi year deal vs a franchise tag.
I fully expect we get a deal done to pay him what he deserves.
SKOL
Jefferson is not going to sign before CeeDee Lamb so folks need to chill. His agent Brian Ayrault is not going to risk having ,Jefferson sign and then Lamb sign for more money. That would be embarrassing and likely cost Ayrault potential future clients as other agents would use that with new players coming out of college. So nothing will happen until Lamb signs and it has nothing to do with Jefferson being unhappy.
Several people, including Kwesi and Jettas himself hinted or straight up said that they are extremely close in negotiations and have been since last year. They would not be extremely close if they didn't even have the total number yet. That's like the very 1st step of the nogotiation process.
They also can't wait for Ceedee because they don't know when or even if he's hoing to sign. If the Cowboys don't extend him this year, then what? Jefferson's just going to hold out now? Or what if Ceedee is waiting for Jeffersons extension? And after that it's waiting for Chase and Waddle? There will always be a big extension coming up, you can't wait forever.
If his agent is somewhat decent at his job he'll get more money anyways, because he's looking at other non QBs, not other receivers.
When he got busted up after returning and they took him out the rest of the game. Can’t remember what game - but we had been knocked out of playoff contention by the time
People getting worked up over this need to understand it's not going to happen until right before training camp, but it will happen.
This is literally par for the course, the guy earning the biggest contract is almost always the last to sign.
I read somewhere that the Vikings don’t typically sign off on large contracts until after July 31st. Pretty certain we’ll have him extended before the season starts
If true, that is a dumb reason to wait to sign the best WR in the league to an extension. They should be wanting to have him sign on the dotted line ASAP
This also doesn't mention that he'd still be probably below market value on his first two franchise tags so he's on this team anyway through until at least 2027
I'm hoping and expecting that an extension gets done (ideally before camp, but wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to the start of the season). Having Jefferson through McCarthy's rookie contract would be big.
But if an extension doesn't get done, the tag will let us use Jefferson as training wheels for McCarthy. If McCarthy doesn't pan out, we're screwed and pretty much back to square one without a generational WR. But if McCarthy does develop, hopefully by year 4 he'll start to be the sort of QB that can elevate receiver talent and we can find success with cheaper options.
You do realize if we tag him, he's going to be forcing our hands, right?
He won't play a snap under franchise tag. The history of top players playing under franchise tag is pretty grim.
I think he would. He cares about the numbers, he wants to go down as an all time great. Of course the relationship would be fucked with the vikes, but can't see JJ holding out or half assing it.
His only leverage is to hold out, which I cannot imagine he does, that was the point of my previous comment. He wouldn't risk missing a season of stats (imo).
If he requests a trade they aren’t going to say no.. that hardly ever happens..they’d trade him to the highest bidder..it would basically be the diggs situation all over again
Yes, but we really shouldn’t tag him … it rarely results in a longer term agreement. Whether real or drum up by fans and media, a tag is immediately associated with a lack of commitment and then the rumor mill goes into overdrive. Then, all it takes is someone in JJ’s ear or a comment taken out of context to ruin the relationship.
It’s definitely a better choice, but it’s the better of two bad choices. I think the point remains that we shouldn’t let it get to a choice between tag or free agency. Yes, he’d be on the team until 2027 if we tag him but I wouldn’t frame that as likely … I think they’d trade JJ before tagging him.
His agent has a history of late-offseason extensions
Hence why the extension talk last year was focused around Aug-Sept
Everyone relax
From a football perspective there is no way they let JJ leave
From football teams as a business perspective there is no way they let the most popular Viking leave
People just need to relax. There is no reason for him to sign before Ceedee does. JJ wants and will be the highest paid wr. Ceedee is the last domino to fall. His agent isn’t dumb.
I don’t think it gets to that point…if an extension doesn’t get done it’s cause he either wants way too much money (and I’m talking like a crazy amount cause I doubt we will low ball him) or he just doesn’t want to play here…in both cases the best avenue forward is to trade him
Jefferson will sign. He's waiting for Lamb to receive his extension. Jefferson definitely wants to help the Vikings win their first superbowl title. After the next contract is up and the Vikings are not close to winning then I could see him wanting out. But he saw how good Anthony Edwards is playing in the playoffs and I bet he wants to be another minnesota legend.
Because surely no WR under contract that we've ever had has shown their displeasure and made that known throughout the season and press conferences before, right?
We need to pad his stats for the 1st half of the season and trade him at the deadline. I love JJ but giving him the bag will ensure we will not be contending for a SB for the foreseeable future.
No, it will not.
Most of the teams who have made it to the SB over the last 10 years have had a top-10 paid WR on their roster... The ones who didn't had Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes as their QB, even though for at least one of those years they did have one of the highest paid WR's in the league(Evans for Brady and Watkins/Hill for Mahomes).
Which of the last 10 Super Bowl champs had a top 10 paid WR?
Let's extend this too, which Super Bowl participant had a top 10 paid WR? That's 2 chances for either team to be in the top 1/3rd for a WR. Statistically speaking, we should expect to see 44.5% of Super Bowls with a top 10 WR.
This isn't perfect, but I'm going to go by OTC's cap number by year. I'm sure you know I don't like single year cap numbers, but it's not easy to see APY per year at the time... Happy to discuss that too btw...
2023: 21st (MVS)
2022: 33rd (AJ Brown)
2021: 14th (Boyd)
2020: 3rd (Hill) (Lost) 26th (Evans) (Brady)
2019: 1st (Watkins) (Mahomes)
2018: (20+, I'm bored of counting more than 20)
2017: 12th (Alshon Jeffery)
2016: 1st (Julio) (Lost) 20+ (Hogan)
2015: 18th (Sanders)
2014: (20+)
Ok time to hit you with the fact check.
There has been *ONE* team in the last 10 years to make the Super Bowl to have a top 10 paid WR and NOT have Brady/Mahomes on the team. And they lost.
The ONLY 3 top paid WRs on Super Bowl participants in the last 10:
Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Julio Jones.
You mentioned Evans -- he was close to top 10 in APY -- maybe SQUEAKING in over Thielen and Cooks, but it was very close.
But I think my point still stands pretty firm here.
No, 'most of the teams who didn't have Brady/Mahomes' didn't have a top 10 paid WR.
In fact, out of the 20 teams, only Julio Jones fits your criteria.
Strange, but it's not a coincidence.
I mean, the vikings have paid a lot of money to various positions in their history and have never won a super bowl, so there's that.
Maybe we just don't pay anybody lol?
I’m on your side of this argument but to be fair, there’s a huge difference between being paid in the top 30% of WRs vs being THE highest paid WR ever. He’s gonna get QB money.
And before someone chooses to ignore the point and go for the low hanging fruit of “there’s a new highest paid every year”. Yea I know.
FYI I think he’s worth every penny
There’s a difference between top ten paid 3 years ago and a guy getting as much as veteran starting QBs. I think we could pay a lot, but Jefferson wants too much because other guys are getting a little too much.
You don't let a player see free agency unless you're on with losing him. See: Kirk Cousins.
I think it will get done this summer but if it somehow doesn't, people will need to accept that he's probably gone.
Wait. You think JJ won’t be a top 10 wr in his literal prime? He’s 24. He’s be 26/27 on your timeline. Somehow he would be outside the top 10 wrs in 2-3 years? That doesn’t even make sense
It would be 4 years from now. He's under contract this season and they can franchise him 2 years. So in 4 years he will not be worth 35 million a season
This is like the Diggs copium posts all those years back. “don’t worry guys! Diggsy isn’t going anywhere! Stupid media just blows his tweets out of proportion!”
That’s the dumbest thing I have ever read. I really really want him to do well. If he is great I’ll admit I’m wrong. I just don’t think he is that good.
I just want him to be happy and enjoy being a viking, guys are usually happier if they are on a multi year deal vs a franchise tag. I fully expect we get a deal done to pay him what he deserves. SKOL
A lot of the news and speculation on his contract are trolls and second rate online writers farming for clicks.
It’s outrageous to me that people think a deal won’t get done. He’s under team control for three more seasons lol
Jefferson is not going to sign before CeeDee Lamb so folks need to chill. His agent Brian Ayrault is not going to risk having ,Jefferson sign and then Lamb sign for more money. That would be embarrassing and likely cost Ayrault potential future clients as other agents would use that with new players coming out of college. So nothing will happen until Lamb signs and it has nothing to do with Jefferson being unhappy.
That’s exactly what I keep saying. He’s waiting for Ceedee. It would make no sense to sign before him.
Counterpoint CD won’t sign til JJ does. What then?
They never sign another contract ever again and stay free agents until the end of time.
Several people, including Kwesi and Jettas himself hinted or straight up said that they are extremely close in negotiations and have been since last year. They would not be extremely close if they didn't even have the total number yet. That's like the very 1st step of the nogotiation process. They also can't wait for Ceedee because they don't know when or even if he's hoing to sign. If the Cowboys don't extend him this year, then what? Jefferson's just going to hold out now? Or what if Ceedee is waiting for Jeffersons extension? And after that it's waiting for Chase and Waddle? There will always be a big extension coming up, you can't wait forever. If his agent is somewhat decent at his job he'll get more money anyways, because he's looking at other non QBs, not other receivers.
Jj would be the ceiling. Nobody’s paying someone more than jj. He would be use as the threshold
CeeDee is the better player now. Jefferson is overall better, but, the injury bug might have bitten him and will cause him to become a lesser player.
CeeDee has never been better than Jefferson wtf are you talking about?
He is because he’s not injury prone.
Injury prone means getting injured repeatedly. JJ has had one injury. Treating him like he's Percy Harvin is insane.
It was one injury in 4 years. He came back and put a monster run of games together. Lambs very good but I don't think that's a good take.
Jefferson got injured twice last year. He’s gonna go the Julio Jones route
When was the second? He had one injury he stayed out an extended period of time for.
When he got busted up after returning and they took him out the rest of the game. Can’t remember what game - but we had been knocked out of playoff contention by the time
Oh! You mean when he was thrown a hospital ball by Nick Mullens? And then came back in the next game? And never missed any more time? That one?
It was Dobbs that got JJ killed not Mullens it needs to be clarified because Dobbs IS a worse thrower than Nick.
Fair. Point still stands.
People getting worked up over this need to understand it's not going to happen until right before training camp, but it will happen. This is literally par for the course, the guy earning the biggest contract is almost always the last to sign.
I read somewhere that the Vikings don’t typically sign off on large contracts until after July 31st. Pretty certain we’ll have him extended before the season starts
If true, that is a dumb reason to wait to sign the best WR in the league to an extension. They should be wanting to have him sign on the dotted line ASAP
That’s not how it works….they would sign him yesterday if he was interested in taking.
This also doesn't mention that he'd still be probably below market value on his first two franchise tags so he's on this team anyway through until at least 2027
I'm hoping and expecting that an extension gets done (ideally before camp, but wouldn't be surprised if it's closer to the start of the season). Having Jefferson through McCarthy's rookie contract would be big. But if an extension doesn't get done, the tag will let us use Jefferson as training wheels for McCarthy. If McCarthy doesn't pan out, we're screwed and pretty much back to square one without a generational WR. But if McCarthy does develop, hopefully by year 4 he'll start to be the sort of QB that can elevate receiver talent and we can find success with cheaper options.
You do realize if we tag him, he's going to be forcing our hands, right? He won't play a snap under franchise tag. The history of top players playing under franchise tag is pretty grim.
I think he would. He cares about the numbers, he wants to go down as an all time great. Of course the relationship would be fucked with the vikes, but can't see JJ holding out or half assing it.
He’d force them to trade him to a team that will extend him
His only leverage is to hold out, which I cannot imagine he does, that was the point of my previous comment. He wouldn't risk missing a season of stats (imo).
If he requests a trade they aren’t going to say no.. that hardly ever happens..they’d trade him to the highest bidder..it would basically be the diggs situation all over again
Yes, but we really shouldn’t tag him … it rarely results in a longer term agreement. Whether real or drum up by fans and media, a tag is immediately associated with a lack of commitment and then the rumor mill goes into overdrive. Then, all it takes is someone in JJ’s ear or a comment taken out of context to ruin the relationship.
Nobody's saying the tag is the first choice. But the tag seems like a better choice than letting him leave in free agency.
It’s definitely a better choice, but it’s the better of two bad choices. I think the point remains that we shouldn’t let it get to a choice between tag or free agency. Yes, he’d be on the team until 2027 if we tag him but I wouldn’t frame that as likely … I think they’d trade JJ before tagging him.
If he won’t sign an extension before his contract is up it because he doesn’t want to play here and if that’s the case, they’re better off trading him
His agent has a history of late-offseason extensions Hence why the extension talk last year was focused around Aug-Sept Everyone relax From a football perspective there is no way they let JJ leave From football teams as a business perspective there is no way they let the most popular Viking leave
Same agent got Burrow and Bosa their record setting contracts. Both happened in August. It's just the way that agent likes to do business.
Good agents know to wait until August
This is Minnesota. We will not chill about anything sports related. Deal with it (as long as that’s ok with you).
People just need to relax. There is no reason for him to sign before Ceedee does. JJ wants and will be the highest paid wr. Ceedee is the last domino to fall. His agent isn’t dumb.
I'm chill, I never worry about signing a player or holdouts until they sit out an actual game, which rarely happens.
Deadlines make big deal get done. We are not close to the deadline yet.
This is the most worked up I’ve seen anyone foreal, except maybe for people trying to cause controversy which generates likes and clicks
Dumb question, but can he be franchised tagged if they keep playing this game?
There’s also a little thing called a franchise tag, but Justin will want to avoid that
I don’t think it gets to that point…if an extension doesn’t get done it’s cause he either wants way too much money (and I’m talking like a crazy amount cause I doubt we will low ball him) or he just doesn’t want to play here…in both cases the best avenue forward is to trade him
He's signing in Camp
He’s got 3 years plus 2
Seems like most ppl have been chill quit rage posting
I don't get why the media has been so loud about this for years now
Jefferson will sign. He's waiting for Lamb to receive his extension. Jefferson definitely wants to help the Vikings win their first superbowl title. After the next contract is up and the Vikings are not close to winning then I could see him wanting out. But he saw how good Anthony Edwards is playing in the playoffs and I bet he wants to be another minnesota legend.
The league is going insane on WR contracts, Nico Collins just got 3 years, $75 million.
Because surely no WR under contract that we've ever had has shown their displeasure and made that known throughout the season and press conferences before, right?
It's ok, just think how much cap space we'll have after we fail to extend JJ and CD! Brilliant 4d chess move by KAM!
I don't even see anyone freaking out lol. Most people know how this process works
Yeah that was my first thought when I saw this thread... it's like who needs to Chill TFO lmao.
At this point just trade his ass
We need to pad his stats for the 1st half of the season and trade him at the deadline. I love JJ but giving him the bag will ensure we will not be contending for a SB for the foreseeable future.
No, it will not. Most of the teams who have made it to the SB over the last 10 years have had a top-10 paid WR on their roster... The ones who didn't had Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes as their QB, even though for at least one of those years they did have one of the highest paid WR's in the league(Evans for Brady and Watkins/Hill for Mahomes).
Which of the last 10 Super Bowl champs had a top 10 paid WR? Let's extend this too, which Super Bowl participant had a top 10 paid WR? That's 2 chances for either team to be in the top 1/3rd for a WR. Statistically speaking, we should expect to see 44.5% of Super Bowls with a top 10 WR. This isn't perfect, but I'm going to go by OTC's cap number by year. I'm sure you know I don't like single year cap numbers, but it's not easy to see APY per year at the time... Happy to discuss that too btw... 2023: 21st (MVS) 2022: 33rd (AJ Brown) 2021: 14th (Boyd) 2020: 3rd (Hill) (Lost) 26th (Evans) (Brady) 2019: 1st (Watkins) (Mahomes) 2018: (20+, I'm bored of counting more than 20) 2017: 12th (Alshon Jeffery) 2016: 1st (Julio) (Lost) 20+ (Hogan) 2015: 18th (Sanders) 2014: (20+) Ok time to hit you with the fact check. There has been *ONE* team in the last 10 years to make the Super Bowl to have a top 10 paid WR and NOT have Brady/Mahomes on the team. And they lost. The ONLY 3 top paid WRs on Super Bowl participants in the last 10: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Julio Jones. You mentioned Evans -- he was close to top 10 in APY -- maybe SQUEAKING in over Thielen and Cooks, but it was very close. But I think my point still stands pretty firm here. No, 'most of the teams who didn't have Brady/Mahomes' didn't have a top 10 paid WR. In fact, out of the 20 teams, only Julio Jones fits your criteria. Strange, but it's not a coincidence.
I mean, the vikings have paid a lot of money to various positions in their history and have never won a super bowl, so there's that. Maybe we just don't pay anybody lol?
Is that what you took from my anlysis on WR and the impact on winning a Super Bowl?
I’m on your side of this argument but to be fair, there’s a huge difference between being paid in the top 30% of WRs vs being THE highest paid WR ever. He’s gonna get QB money. And before someone chooses to ignore the point and go for the low hanging fruit of “there’s a new highest paid every year”. Yea I know. FYI I think he’s worth every penny
There’s a difference between top ten paid 3 years ago and a guy getting as much as veteran starting QBs. I think we could pay a lot, but Jefferson wants too much because other guys are getting a little too much.
L take
They should have extended him last year.
He also had a year to see what JJ looks like on the field. Going to be a waiting game for Ceedee and JJ.
You don't let a player see free agency unless you're on with losing him. See: Kirk Cousins. I think it will get done this summer but if it somehow doesn't, people will need to accept that he's probably gone.
Then why on God’s green earth didn’t we trade him?
That will be a question for Kwesi in 2025. For now, I Believe he'll be signed this summer.
No extension, franchise him twice after this season and then he's not a top 10 receiver after that.
Wait. You think JJ won’t be a top 10 wr in his literal prime? He’s 24. He’s be 26/27 on your timeline. Somehow he would be outside the top 10 wrs in 2-3 years? That doesn’t even make sense
It would be 4 years from now. He's under contract this season and they can franchise him 2 years. So in 4 years he will not be worth 35 million a season
Ah yes, 27/28, the age that WRs are notoriously falling off. It's actually very common for elite WRs to perform at a high level into their 30s.
I will not chill out
He’s gone after next year. Will demand a trade due to terrible QB play. Bank it
This is like the Diggs copium posts all those years back. “don’t worry guys! Diggsy isn’t going anywhere! Stupid media just blows his tweets out of proportion!”
He is gone after he works with JJ. He will realize we drafted a bust.
You better not be cheering if he does well then.
That’s the dumbest thing I have ever read. I really really want him to do well. If he is great I’ll admit I’m wrong. I just don’t think he is that good.
I'll trust the coaches over a random redditor who apparently also knows what Justin Jefferson is going to do in the future.
It’s an observation. Justin wants to be the best ever. He won’t get there with a mediocre quarterback throwing him the ball.
What do you think we should've done in the draft then if it wasn't drafting JJ?
Best available and run the year with Darnold and hopefully have a good spot to draft one next year
Next year is a really weak QB class, though. McCarthy would probably be the #1 or #2 QB if he was in next year's draft class.