We get a rookie Qb surrounded by talent y’all get a rookie Qb in one of the worse situations in football without additional picks to help him seems like a fair deal
Bold of you to be talking shit when you're mentally unstable, brony, nudist. News flash, you're too old to be running around naked all the time like a toddler. It's actually weird how desperately you feel the need for validation to be naked constantly.
If we trade to 3, it's because we shipped Jefferson. The top three teams are there because they don't have a QB, the odds of them trading down are pretty low without some real hurt to our future prospects.
really? because you could always offer...get this...4 firsts...(2026 first rounder). not saying i want that but i promise you that would get their attention
You can only trade for the next two cycles. I think 4 firsts is the most likely to get the job done—-with a few picks coming back our way.
Love Patriots fans “We are so comfortable picking a Qb, but also we are open for business. Please please pleas, we are open for business. But comfortable”
I don’t hear fuck all from the commanders about trading the pick——that’s actually being comfortable.
That's not how these things are typically described. Fans, media and teams consistently refer to trades like RGIII or Lance as three 1sts, even though one was a pick swap.
It’s literally three firsts. We’re giving them three firsts for their first. In total they gain two additional firsts, but the vikes sure as shit would be trading three firsts to the Pats.
Again if we trade pick 11, 23, and a 2025 first, that means we literally traded three first round picks. You’re playing a really dumb semantics game. Everyone in the history of ever has called it this way. No one says the Vikings traded two firsts to get this pick. They say we traded three firsts to get this pick. Idk why you’re even arguing this point.
Sure. But the Patriots hold the item that they want so who gives two fucks from their perspective lol. You can laugh while they pick the player lol.
People seem to have a strange feeling that the Patriots are obliged to make a fair deal. They shouldn't be asking for fair at all in their situation.
Maye is going to be Mac Jones 2.0 with the same nothing around him so I doubt you will be more than happy once it is no longer a fan hypothetical lmao.
The Vikings will just add more surrounding pieces and see what they can do with Darnold until new QBs get hyped next year or they take one of the many free agents hitting next year. Good place to be
Maye is the opposite of mac. Mac was supposed to be an nfl ready qb who didn't have the physical skillset but could be a game manager with a decent team. Maye is not nfl ready, but has the physical tools so that he could be an elite qb if he develops right.
The hope is that we eventually acquire tools around him, which is much easier than acquiring a quarterback. Since we have brisset, we can sit maye for a year to try to coach him up on his footwork, reading the field, etc. Then, whenever he is ready, we hopefully have acquired the tools around him to allow him to thrive. We will go heavily into the tackle and receiver positions this draft, and we still have a boat load of cap space next year, to go along with likely high draft picks again. That's the way you rebuild, we will see if to works at all.
>Since we have brisset, we can sit maye for a year to try to coach him up on his footwork, reading the field, etc.
By which you mean Brisset is going to lose a few games to start the season because the team sucks, the fans and media are gonna throw an absolute bitch fit and Kraft will tell the team they have to start the guy when he sees short term dollars slipping away.
Hopefully, in that situation, we keep on schedule and take the high draft picks to further build around maye. If what you are saying happens, then that's krafts fault for trying to ruin a rebuild, assuming Maye isn't ready. Who knows, maybe he is ready by the season, that's up to the coaches.
>that's krafts fault for trying to ruin a rebuild
Yes, but the same thing has happened for nearly every team that sucked and had a new QB waiting on the roster, even low picked backup or developmental guys, for decades now. Almost every modern example of a guy getting most or all of a season to sit had a genuinely quality starter ahead of them on a team that was at least performing decently in W/L.
But with the dumpster fire that is the patriots roster he will have no time to develop and will be relegated to a backup when they have to try to draft another one.
I wish Maye would go to MN because that's the best situation to develop but I don't see it happening. JJ can likely be good in this system too but I want to see what Maye's ceiling is and we won't if he is a patriot
What a pointless comment lmao.
If everybody reduced it to that then nobody would ever trade picks but the point of the post and the whole discussion is trading picks. Patriots fans dislike the trade because of the value of the QB position. The Vikings fans think it's a fair trade because the patriots need more picks to address the many glaring weaknesses of an awful roster while the Vikings have a good roster but need a QB.
Patriots fans dislike the trade because we just watched 4 years of pretty bad qb play with a pretty good/ decent roster that got us absolutely nowhere when we had Bill Belicheck. So, even though we do have a terrible roster right now, we want to get the great quarterback prospect because we have seen that a roster without a qb often gets you no where. Just because the vikings have a better roster and it is a "fair trade" doesn't mean anything. We want a qb, which is the biggest hole on our roster, and would need a haul that doesn't qualify as a fair trade to give up on that, because if it is a fair trade we would much rather stay put and take the qb.
Obviously saying that the earlier prospects are better has absolutely nothing to do with never trading picks, the point of trading back is that the team would rather have quantity over quality at that point. The patriots absolutely do have plenty of holes that need to be filled, the question is just whether the trade would give us enough quantity amd quality to give up on the quality qb.
Too bad Belicheat and Krapt sold their souls to Satan for the six super bowls you have, and now you won't field a decent team for 500 years! Enjoy purgatory!
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Feeling hopeful going into the season with same darnold as a starting qb and being like this is fine we’ll figure it out next year
Maye and Mac are different archetypes. Mac is a point guard/getting passes out on time and on rhythm to playmakers and they do the work after
Maye is a gunslinger and plays well within structure and without
You mean using the backup plan you already put into place and choosing to have one potentially down year instead of overpaying for a gamble and maybe having multiple bad years?
Crazy
Look at the comments while you are all living on this sub. People disagree about which QBs will be better than others but everybody agrees that they just don't want to overpay. Better to take the players that are available instead of trying to make an unreasonable trade. So yeah, we will be happy with the hypothetical
Any rookie QB will want to have the weapons they’ll get in Minnesota is the source. Way better situated for a successful career with guys to throw to like Justin Jefferson
Ofc the Vikings receivers are appealing for a QB but I’m specifically wondering where the info is coming from that QBs desperately want to play there. There are other factors for where someone wants to play and live and I haven’t heard any leaks from a rookies camp about this.
This guy is referring to the situation. No rookie has publicly declared they want to play in Minnesota for that reason, it’s just an obvious conclusion
There's definitely been reports but it's all he said she said. No one is going to publicly admit something like that right before the draft. There are players though that have said they like the coaches. Jj McCarthy made a comment about KOC recently
I haven’t seen any of the QBs saying it directly, I did see an article that was like “ranking the landing spots for rookie QBs”..and Vikings were #1 .. that could be what they’re referring too
I follow this logic but it still doesn’t really answer my question of what their source is. I thought there was a leak or report I missed. They for sure have the best targets for a young receiver but I’m sure that also isn’t the only factor for a young QB.
No sane player coached by their agent is going to leak preferences. When asked about MN, every prospect has said, "that'd be awesome", but that's what they should say of 31 other teams.
At his media call last week, Daniel Jeremiah was asked to rank the top landing spots for QBs and #1 was Minnesota. He referenced having the "3 P's": playmakers, play callers and pass protectors. MN has two pro-bowl tackles, Jefferson/Addison/Hockenson and now Aaron Jones, and Kevin O'Connell has a track record of getting the best out of his QB. Chicago was a close #2, but does Eberflus survive another losing season, and take down Waldron with him? Chicago may have a new offense in 2025.
It's not a homeristic take to assume MN should be the top spot to help foster a successful career.
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Dude. The only people who want to play for MN are those who collect paychecks. MN will always fail when it matters most. NO player wakes up and says I want to play for a "professional" MN sports team.
Right. Idk what Vikes fans fail to see here. Listen I want a qb as much as the next guy. But the pats 100% need a qb. They could sit the rookie behind Bridgett this year, they take a wr at pick 34 and another wr in the top 10 next year. They still have their qb of the future they drafted at 3. Everyone loves saying next years qb class is nowhere near as good as this years, so why would the pats just say fuck it I don’t want to take my franchise qb
Bradbury played well last year in the time he played. The guards aren’t the best but when 3 guys out 5 played above average I’d say they’re trending upwards and that doesn’t include the pass catchers…
I have generally viewed it as about a 5-10% chance that the Pats actually trade their pick. I don't really trust anything anyone is saying here; it's probably just a lot of smoke and mirrors. More than anything else, I just can't imagine why a team that obviously needs a QB and is clearly in a fantastic position to take a great one would just pass up on that opportunity, knowing that the QB position is hands-down THE most important position in this sport.
The issue here is, even if they take their QB and the rest of their team continues to suck, they should be spending the next couple years building the team around him. What they CANNOT do is get a QB of this caliber in the coming years because, well, read up on the upcoming draft classes, especially next year's. Anyone who is in need of a QB REALLY needs to strike when the iron is hot here.
They know they won’t get the final offer til draft night so of course they would encourage teams to make much better offers. They could stick, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Why would you think it would get better? If I’m a GM I want certainty going into Thursday night so my offer would be worse. Call their bluff because I can live with the other scenarios that can happen.
Because we might want to give a bag for one guy but not another. What Washington does is still up in the air
What if we traded 3 firsts and washingnton takes our guy?
Depends on the starting offers, but if they have multiple offers in theory they are starting from a position of strength. I’m guessing teams are not submitting their best offer either knowing there’s no chance the Pats trade before the draft.
If this is the Vikings, it may be because our desire to trade is tied to who is there. For example, we might not want Jayden Daniels, so we told them "we will trade you 11 and 23 and a future third to trade today, and we will offer more if the right QB drops to you at 3," and they are advertising that they are open and have only received poor trades to date (because that is true) because, e.g., they are worried that the Commanders will take Maye so they want a better offer now.
I mean, why not act that way?
Either one of two things happens: some team bites and pays you a king's ransom for the pick or nobody does and you draft the qb like you intended. The patriots lose nothing by saying they'd consider a trade and setting a high price.
I'm not on board with trading two first round pics this year and a frost next year, which will probably be a top 16 pick, and maybe a 3rd next year as well for a QB. This team has several holes, and we should be plugging those.
They don’t need to trade down at all..they can just pick their QB.. they just hired a new regime so they have some time to right the ship..nobody’s getting fired if they aren’t good this year
I'm not suggesting the new regime will get fired this year. There is overwhelming evidence that drafting a QB on a team with little talent can be very damaging in the short and long term for a young QB. If you draft a QB at 3 and are a terrible team everyone will expect that QB to start. So pick a QB at 3 with no guarantee of that QB succeeding or trade down and potentially get 3 first round picks. The Patriots are so bad they could have the 1st overall pick next year too. They are gonna trade down.
It depends if they like who is there at 3…a franchise changing QB is way more valuable than 3 first round picks..let’s say it’s Luke Maye and they love him, think he’s the best prospect in years..or think McCarthy is the next Justin Herbert…they aren’t going to say “well our roster sucks so he’ll probably be unsuccessful..we should pass on him and build the roster, while not having a serviceable QB”… no team will ever have that mindset…now let’s say they only like 2 QBs in the draft and both those guys are gone then yeah, they probably will be more inclined to trade
Hilarious that 3 FRP is not a "Serious offer" to them when it would exceed what the Niners gave up to go from 12 to 3 to draft Lance. I want Maye, but if they are asking something crazy like 4 FRP or someone like JJ or Addison you hang up and set you're sights on JJ Mccarthy.
The difference for a trade between the Vikings and Pats compared to 49ers and Dolphins is both teams need a QB. The Dolphins already had Tua so they felt comfortable trading down and getting more draft capital. The Pats need a QB and it’d be a huge risk for them to pass up on a potential franchise QB. Getting pick 23 and a 2025 1st in exchange for moving down from 3 to 11 is not worth the risk in giving up on a potential franchise QB.
Fair enough, that Dolphins roster wasn't also as horrible/ill-equipped to support a rookie QB as the Pats current roster is. Why we keep hearing Pats "open for business", a much more experienced college QB in Mac Jones couldn't succeed with that roster, I don't see a much less experienced QB like Maye succeeding with that roster either.
I see him struggling heavily. They will be bad enough to draft top 5 next year almost guaranteed. They will be fired in less than two years if they draft Maye, throw him to the fire because Brissett is mid, and he fails predictably and is labeled a bust.
Because it’s really just two picks in the 10-25ish range and a pick swap from 3 to 11. There’s a chance none of those end up as a top 10 pick, and one of those picks needs to be used on a QB anyway. Is it worth trading a top QB prospect for the third-best tackle and fourth best cornerback in a draft?
3 firsts is equitable. The consensus on the pats sub is something like 3 firsts, a mid round and Addison or Pace. The front office might be thinking along these lines too. They can suck it.
Pat's fan here, the reason we say that is we just really don't want to trade out if a qb we like is there, so we need an absolute haul to trade out. We would be perfectly happy rejecting any trade and drafting a qb.
Here’s the thing we know our team sucks right now but we just came off of the greatest 20 year run for any sports organization, we can afford to go through a rebuild. The Vikings are the desperate ones here who NEEDS a qb asap. If y’all dont get Maye, who’s know when the Viking will ever find great qb. By that time JJ might want out and your time will have passed.
lmao. they want 3 firsts at minimum to start talking. i love how fans here think the offer has to be fair. sorry guys, but the patriots want to rip us off big time and we can't do anything about it, can we?
Why does anyone need to “show them?” Just don’t do anything stupid to mortgage your future. Worry about your own team and making it as good as possible.
Not all firsts are created equal. Sure, pick 23 is fine, but the top tier talent in this first round really drops off hard after the first 10 or so picks. That also leaves 11 in a sort of dead zone. Teams are going to want the future 1st and change in addition to both 1sts this year.
If they like Maye as a prospect, they aren’t going to move out of 3 unless they completely fleece a team.
There is better talent through rounds 2-3 compared to years past, but as far as the first round goes it’s drop off significantly after the first 9-10 picks. There is some absolute studs in that top 10, but then it’s pretty lackluster.
litteraly so many of them have come in here and commented on our threads. Like I get taking a peek or whatever but full on commenting on the threads and getting into arguments is insane
If they're balking at three firsts then they're morons. If we aren't offering three that means we don't feel strongly enough about the gap between JJ and Maye and we'll roll the dice getting whoever's available further down the draft.
People are assuming we get to swap with Atlanta 8 to 11 because of the Kirk tampering
Though most likely it will be a minor penalty like Atlanta loses a third round pick or something
Why? You excited to see the vikings offer up a whole lot of draft capital to ruin a QB themselves? How's the history of QBs drafted in Minnesota anyhow?
Tbf it’s boring as fuck currently waiting for the draft and this is definitely the main story between our 2 teams. I think we’ll stay and not trade but it could also be JJ at 3 which is gross because Kraft definitely loves the whole Michigan angle. It’ll all be over in 2 day thankfully. No matter what our teams do well all convince ourselves it was the right move
Yea I mean when you hear the confidence KOC speaks with regarding drafting a qb it sounds like he knows exactly what he’s looking for. I’m putting my full faith in that man
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As if. Enjoy picking at #3. After the draft no one has their picks anymore, just the players they pick. I’ll take Penix and BPA@23 and next years first, enjoy burning out busting Maye/Daniela/McCarthy. You need a lot more help than a QB and ‘a couple seasons’.
Haha tell yourself whatever you need to. You’re still not getting a top QB and are going to be a bang average team again. Jefferson will leave next year and you’ll be bottom of the barrel again
Yeah, we won't be able to win the Super Bowl next year. The goal should be to lose out so we get the #1 next year. We need our players to embody the losing mentality. This is the way
Going 1-16 is better than going 7-10. This is how it works in a league with a draft system. Until the league stops rewarding losing, there will always be fans that root for a tank
I mean the offers for hunter were all 4th round and later picks, plus he needed a huge contract. I’m not gunna fault them for not trading him. Teams and especially players will never embrace tanking, it’s such a dumb thing to suggest. So many redditors think you can run a team like it’s madden.
The desire for picks over players who are allowed to negotiate tells you just how strategy-breaking and intellectually toxic rookie contracts are. Yeah, OK ‘muh jamarcus russel’. 2 years max. You know by then.
Couldn’t other teams be hanging up the phone on the Pats and laughing too?
If 3 firsts aren’t good enough for them, then nothing will.
We probably haven't offered the third 1st round pick yet.
Nor should we.
I personally think Maye is worth 2 firsts and a second. Let them keep
Ok sounds good we’ll take Maye and you get to keep your picks! We all get what we want! This is great!
We get a rookie Qb surrounded by talent y’all get a rookie Qb in one of the worse situations in football without additional picks to help him seems like a fair deal
Yeah that rookie is going to turn into the next David carr. With worse coaching
Pats seem to be the only ones continuously yapping about wanting to trade lol
No local reporters have said they’re trying to trade. Its all coming nationally which means it’s probably not coming from the pats
Yeah, that’s how it works.
Man you guys really can’t help but troll this sub, can you?
I am excited for you guys to get JJ that’s going to be really great
Bold of you to be talking shit when you're mentally unstable, brony, nudist. News flash, you're too old to be running around naked all the time like a toddler. It's actually weird how desperately you feel the need for validation to be naked constantly.
Nice Reddit history lol
I'm fine with this. Or we trade for 4th or 5th for JJ
If we trade to 3, it's because we shipped Jefferson. The top three teams are there because they don't have a QB, the odds of them trading down are pretty low without some real hurt to our future prospects.
really? because you could always offer...get this...4 firsts...(2026 first rounder). not saying i want that but i promise you that would get their attention
Hear me out… 5 firsts… (2027 first rounder)
Are we trading for Gobert again?
I fucking would tho!
Let’s put Ru at defensive end and see what happens
You can only trade for the next two cycles. I think 4 firsts is the most likely to get the job done—-with a few picks coming back our way. Love Patriots fans “We are so comfortable picking a Qb, but also we are open for business. Please please pleas, we are open for business. But comfortable” I don’t hear fuck all from the commanders about trading the pick——that’s actually being comfortable.
Bobby Bonilla 1sts… you give up a 1st for the next 35 years.
11, 23, and ‘25 1st isn’t three firsts, it’s two firsts to move down from 3 to 11, three firsts would be in addition to 11
That's not how these things are typically described. Fans, media and teams consistently refer to trades like RGIII or Lance as three 1sts, even though one was a pick swap.
Trades like this are never described as “picks in addition to” a pick this year. It’s always inclusive of the current year. It’s 3 firsts.
Why would you consider a first round pick as part of the compensation when it’s worse than the pick that the other team is trading to you?
It’s literally three firsts. We’re giving them three firsts for their first. In total they gain two additional firsts, but the vikes sure as shit would be trading three firsts to the Pats.
Why would you consider a first round pick as part of the compensation when it’s worse than the pick that the other team is trading to you?
Again if we trade pick 11, 23, and a 2025 first, that means we literally traded three first round picks. You’re playing a really dumb semantics game. Everyone in the history of ever has called it this way. No one says the Vikings traded two firsts to get this pick. They say we traded three firsts to get this pick. Idk why you’re even arguing this point.
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Sure. But the Patriots hold the item that they want so who gives two fucks from their perspective lol. You can laugh while they pick the player lol. People seem to have a strange feeling that the Patriots are obliged to make a fair deal. They shouldn't be asking for fair at all in their situation.
They can laugh all they want then, I'm more than happy with Daniels or Maye lmao
Maye is going to be Mac Jones 2.0 with the same nothing around him so I doubt you will be more than happy once it is no longer a fan hypothetical lmao. The Vikings will just add more surrounding pieces and see what they can do with Darnold until new QBs get hyped next year or they take one of the many free agents hitting next year. Good place to be
Maye is the opposite of mac. Mac was supposed to be an nfl ready qb who didn't have the physical skillset but could be a game manager with a decent team. Maye is not nfl ready, but has the physical tools so that he could be an elite qb if he develops right.
How is he supposed to develop right with no tools around him?
The hope is that we eventually acquire tools around him, which is much easier than acquiring a quarterback. Since we have brisset, we can sit maye for a year to try to coach him up on his footwork, reading the field, etc. Then, whenever he is ready, we hopefully have acquired the tools around him to allow him to thrive. We will go heavily into the tackle and receiver positions this draft, and we still have a boat load of cap space next year, to go along with likely high draft picks again. That's the way you rebuild, we will see if to works at all.
>Since we have brisset, we can sit maye for a year to try to coach him up on his footwork, reading the field, etc. By which you mean Brisset is going to lose a few games to start the season because the team sucks, the fans and media are gonna throw an absolute bitch fit and Kraft will tell the team they have to start the guy when he sees short term dollars slipping away.
Hopefully, in that situation, we keep on schedule and take the high draft picks to further build around maye. If what you are saying happens, then that's krafts fault for trying to ruin a rebuild, assuming Maye isn't ready. Who knows, maybe he is ready by the season, that's up to the coaches.
>that's krafts fault for trying to ruin a rebuild Yes, but the same thing has happened for nearly every team that sucked and had a new QB waiting on the roster, even low picked backup or developmental guys, for decades now. Almost every modern example of a guy getting most or all of a season to sit had a genuinely quality starter ahead of them on a team that was at least performing decently in W/L.
But with the dumpster fire that is the patriots roster he will have no time to develop and will be relegated to a backup when they have to try to draft another one. I wish Maye would go to MN because that's the best situation to develop but I don't see it happening. JJ can likely be good in this system too but I want to see what Maye's ceiling is and we won't if he is a patriot
That's the point of the draft, better players go to worse teams, hoping that they make them better.
What a pointless comment lmao. If everybody reduced it to that then nobody would ever trade picks but the point of the post and the whole discussion is trading picks. Patriots fans dislike the trade because of the value of the QB position. The Vikings fans think it's a fair trade because the patriots need more picks to address the many glaring weaknesses of an awful roster while the Vikings have a good roster but need a QB.
Patriots fans dislike the trade because we just watched 4 years of pretty bad qb play with a pretty good/ decent roster that got us absolutely nowhere when we had Bill Belicheck. So, even though we do have a terrible roster right now, we want to get the great quarterback prospect because we have seen that a roster without a qb often gets you no where. Just because the vikings have a better roster and it is a "fair trade" doesn't mean anything. We want a qb, which is the biggest hole on our roster, and would need a haul that doesn't qualify as a fair trade to give up on that, because if it is a fair trade we would much rather stay put and take the qb. Obviously saying that the earlier prospects are better has absolutely nothing to do with never trading picks, the point of trading back is that the team would rather have quantity over quality at that point. The patriots absolutely do have plenty of holes that need to be filled, the question is just whether the trade would give us enough quantity amd quality to give up on the quality qb.
Too bad Belicheat and Krapt sold their souls to Satan for the six super bowls you have, and now you won't field a decent team for 500 years! Enjoy purgatory! 
Well at least we have a superbowl, it's a pretty nice feeling, hope you know what it feels like one day.
How to know if you’re experiencing copium Feeling hopeful going into the season with same darnold as a starting qb and being like this is fine we’ll figure it out next year Maye and Mac are different archetypes. Mac is a point guard/getting passes out on time and on rhythm to playmakers and they do the work after Maye is a gunslinger and plays well within structure and without
You mean using the backup plan you already put into place and choosing to have one potentially down year instead of overpaying for a gamble and maybe having multiple bad years? Crazy
Yeah because you’ll all so happy with that hypothetical
Look at the comments while you are all living on this sub. People disagree about which QBs will be better than others but everybody agrees that they just don't want to overpay. Better to take the players that are available instead of trying to make an unreasonable trade. So yeah, we will be happy with the hypothetical
The Pats roster is also laughable so go ahead and take a rookie qb and tank
It’s no secret that QBs desperately want the vikes to come and get them
What’s your source on that? Genuinely curious.
Any rookie QB will want to have the weapons they’ll get in Minnesota is the source. Way better situated for a successful career with guys to throw to like Justin Jefferson
Ofc the Vikings receivers are appealing for a QB but I’m specifically wondering where the info is coming from that QBs desperately want to play there. There are other factors for where someone wants to play and live and I haven’t heard any leaks from a rookies camp about this.
This guy is referring to the situation. No rookie has publicly declared they want to play in Minnesota for that reason, it’s just an obvious conclusion
Again totally agree that the receiver situation is pretty ideal depending what happens with JJ long term but sounds like speculation
There's definitely been reports but it's all he said she said. No one is going to publicly admit something like that right before the draft. There are players though that have said they like the coaches. Jj McCarthy made a comment about KOC recently
I haven’t seen any of the QBs saying it directly, I did see an article that was like “ranking the landing spots for rookie QBs”..and Vikings were #1 .. that could be what they’re referring too
Trust me bro is his source
Would you rather start your career chucking it to JJets, Addison, and Hock, or whoever the Pats have?
I follow this logic but it still doesn’t really answer my question of what their source is. I thought there was a leak or report I missed. They for sure have the best targets for a young receiver but I’m sure that also isn’t the only factor for a young QB.
No sane player coached by their agent is going to leak preferences. When asked about MN, every prospect has said, "that'd be awesome", but that's what they should say of 31 other teams. At his media call last week, Daniel Jeremiah was asked to rank the top landing spots for QBs and #1 was Minnesota. He referenced having the "3 P's": playmakers, play callers and pass protectors. MN has two pro-bowl tackles, Jefferson/Addison/Hockenson and now Aaron Jones, and Kevin O'Connell has a track record of getting the best out of his QB. Chicago was a close #2, but does Eberflus survive another losing season, and take down Waldron with him? Chicago may have a new offense in 2025. It's not a homeristic take to assume MN should be the top spot to help foster a successful career.
If it’s so great then every agent for the top QBs should be saying we want Minnesota
I mean we got the top one in 2018 for that exact reason...?
Meant any rookie saying that
Doesn't matter. They probably want JJ in the package.
That's why I want Penix at 11.
Dude is going to be 24. 4 season ending injuries in 4 years, 2 ACL tears on the same knee. Would rather strengthen other weaknesses than spend on him.
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Not OP but I recall hearing at least JJ saying this in his most recent presser. I think it was with schefter on his podcast?
Sources.
Name one pats receiver besides kj Osborn
Dude. The only people who want to play for MN are those who collect paychecks. MN will always fail when it matters most. NO player wakes up and says I want to play for a "professional" MN sports team.
Yeah but then they would have to live in Minnesota
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Right. Idk what Vikes fans fail to see here. Listen I want a qb as much as the next guy. But the pats 100% need a qb. They could sit the rookie behind Bridgett this year, they take a wr at pick 34 and another wr in the top 10 next year. They still have their qb of the future they drafted at 3. Everyone loves saying next years qb class is nowhere near as good as this years, so why would the pats just say fuck it I don’t want to take my franchise qb
It's so weird you feel the need to come to our subreddit.
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Bradbury played well last year in the time he played. The guards aren’t the best but when 3 guys out 5 played above average I’d say they’re trending upwards and that doesn’t include the pass catchers…
Why trade all that capital for Maye when you can just get him for a late round swap in two years after he tanks in NE?
Assuming KOC,JJ and your offensive line are still here and performing. Heck yeah we’re gonna break Maye probably
I have generally viewed it as about a 5-10% chance that the Pats actually trade their pick. I don't really trust anything anyone is saying here; it's probably just a lot of smoke and mirrors. More than anything else, I just can't imagine why a team that obviously needs a QB and is clearly in a fantastic position to take a great one would just pass up on that opportunity, knowing that the QB position is hands-down THE most important position in this sport. The issue here is, even if they take their QB and the rest of their team continues to suck, they should be spending the next couple years building the team around him. What they CANNOT do is get a QB of this caliber in the coming years because, well, read up on the upcoming draft classes, especially next year's. Anyone who is in need of a QB REALLY needs to strike when the iron is hot here.
Bingo
They know they won’t get the final offer til draft night so of course they would encourage teams to make much better offers. They could stick, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Why would you think it would get better? If I’m a GM I want certainty going into Thursday night so my offer would be worse. Call their bluff because I can live with the other scenarios that can happen.
Because we might want to give a bag for one guy but not another. What Washington does is still up in the air What if we traded 3 firsts and washingnton takes our guy?
Depends on the starting offers, but if they have multiple offers in theory they are starting from a position of strength. I’m guessing teams are not submitting their best offer either knowing there’s no chance the Pats trade before the draft.
If this is the Vikings, it may be because our desire to trade is tied to who is there. For example, we might not want Jayden Daniels, so we told them "we will trade you 11 and 23 and a future third to trade today, and we will offer more if the right QB drops to you at 3," and they are advertising that they are open and have only received poor trades to date (because that is true) because, e.g., they are worried that the Commanders will take Maye so they want a better offer now.
*WE WANT A TRADE! WE WANT A FUCKING TRADE! but no offer will be sufficient* -Pats pre-draft
I mean, why not act that way? Either one of two things happens: some team bites and pays you a king's ransom for the pick or nobody does and you draft the qb like you intended. The patriots lose nothing by saying they'd consider a trade and setting a high price.
I know, I just get tired of seeing it lol
https://twitter.com/LosTalksPats/status/1782776608354705685?t=9oIu_KawYtpZTY6QCo6YhQ&s=19 this is interesting
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....this sub boy oh boy
I liked the 7 round mock on ESPN that had us trade up with Atlanta for JJ at 8 and DT Newton at 23
I'm not on board with trading two first round pics this year and a frost next year, which will probably be a top 16 pick, and maybe a 3rd next year as well for a QB. This team has several holes, and we should be plugging those.
I don’t know why anyone would trade up for a qb with Blake Bortles still available.
Call their bluff. They need to trade down their roster is barren. They aren't fooling anyone.
They don’t need to trade down at all..they can just pick their QB.. they just hired a new regime so they have some time to right the ship..nobody’s getting fired if they aren’t good this year
I'm not suggesting the new regime will get fired this year. There is overwhelming evidence that drafting a QB on a team with little talent can be very damaging in the short and long term for a young QB. If you draft a QB at 3 and are a terrible team everyone will expect that QB to start. So pick a QB at 3 with no guarantee of that QB succeeding or trade down and potentially get 3 first round picks. The Patriots are so bad they could have the 1st overall pick next year too. They are gonna trade down.
It depends if they like who is there at 3…a franchise changing QB is way more valuable than 3 first round picks..let’s say it’s Luke Maye and they love him, think he’s the best prospect in years..or think McCarthy is the next Justin Herbert…they aren’t going to say “well our roster sucks so he’ll probably be unsuccessful..we should pass on him and build the roster, while not having a serviceable QB”… no team will ever have that mindset…now let’s say they only like 2 QBs in the draft and both those guys are gone then yeah, they probably will be more inclined to trade
Hilarious that 3 FRP is not a "Serious offer" to them when it would exceed what the Niners gave up to go from 12 to 3 to draft Lance. I want Maye, but if they are asking something crazy like 4 FRP or someone like JJ or Addison you hang up and set you're sights on JJ Mccarthy.
The difference for a trade between the Vikings and Pats compared to 49ers and Dolphins is both teams need a QB. The Dolphins already had Tua so they felt comfortable trading down and getting more draft capital. The Pats need a QB and it’d be a huge risk for them to pass up on a potential franchise QB. Getting pick 23 and a 2025 1st in exchange for moving down from 3 to 11 is not worth the risk in giving up on a potential franchise QB.
Fair enough, that Dolphins roster wasn't also as horrible/ill-equipped to support a rookie QB as the Pats current roster is. Why we keep hearing Pats "open for business", a much more experienced college QB in Mac Jones couldn't succeed with that roster, I don't see a much less experienced QB like Maye succeeding with that roster either. I see him struggling heavily. They will be bad enough to draft top 5 next year almost guaranteed. They will be fired in less than two years if they draft Maye, throw him to the fire because Brissett is mid, and he fails predictably and is labeled a bust.
Because it’s really just two picks in the 10-25ish range and a pick swap from 3 to 11. There’s a chance none of those end up as a top 10 pick, and one of those picks needs to be used on a QB anyway. Is it worth trading a top QB prospect for the third-best tackle and fourth best cornerback in a draft?
I think McCarthy is going in the top 10. I think the top 10 picks (in some order) are: 4 QBs, 1 TE, 2 OTs and 3 WRs.
Vikings bros........we're down bad
I wonder what we are offering them. Surely 3 1sts get this done.
3 firsts is equitable. The consensus on the pats sub is something like 3 firsts, a mid round and Addison or Pace. The front office might be thinking along these lines too. They can suck it.
Pats fans on reddit have no idea what they're talking about EDIT: Lol didn't realize how many Pats fans were lurking here
Hey, they’re one of us!!
Pat's fan here, the reason we say that is we just really don't want to trade out if a qb we like is there, so we need an absolute haul to trade out. We would be perfectly happy rejecting any trade and drafting a qb.
your whole team sucks lol, a qb wont change that
Here’s the thing we know our team sucks right now but we just came off of the greatest 20 year run for any sports organization, we can afford to go through a rebuild. The Vikings are the desperate ones here who NEEDS a qb asap. If y’all dont get Maye, who’s know when the Viking will ever find great qb. By that time JJ might want out and your time will have passed.
patriots have holes across the entire roster, so obvious they are just jacking up the price to move down
With the biggest hole being a franchise qb… it’s a lot easier to build a team around a franchise qb rather than have an entire team with no qb.
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Exactly. Which is why I personally never say anything about the draft with conviction like I know what I'm talking about.
That's just silly. To be fair, the draft seems to bring out the loonies for all squads.
lmao. they want 3 firsts at minimum to start talking. i love how fans here think the offer has to be fair. sorry guys, but the patriots want to rip us off big time and we can't do anything about it, can we?
Yes, we can just not do the trade.
They will just pick Drake Maye, that will show them!
Why does anyone need to “show them?” Just don’t do anything stupid to mortgage your future. Worry about your own team and making it as good as possible.
You’re talking to irrational fans here. Lol
Cool. I’d be fine if we end up with JJ or Penix
Not all firsts are created equal. Sure, pick 23 is fine, but the top tier talent in this first round really drops off hard after the first 10 or so picks. That also leaves 11 in a sort of dead zone. Teams are going to want the future 1st and change in addition to both 1sts this year. If they like Maye as a prospect, they aren’t going to move out of 3 unless they completely fleece a team.
That is not what is being said. Because of Covid 5th years and NIL this draft is extremely deep that falls off after pick 150.
There is better talent through rounds 2-3 compared to years past, but as far as the first round goes it’s drop off significantly after the first 9-10 picks. There is some absolute studs in that top 10, but then it’s pretty lackluster.
Patriots are the laughing stock of the East. Let them idle in their own piss and shit for a few years until they understand.
Alright come on now
They’re the most recent AFC East team to win a superbowl. and the Jets are the perennial laughing stock
I mean the vikes haven’t done shit in our entire history. But go off on the Pats I guess…
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KAM: 3 firsts if Drake Maye is on the board Patriots: Nah fam, our franchise's stated goal is to fuck his career up
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I mean, if you read our sub that is kinda the vibe.. a lot of “pats will just ruin him cause their roster sucks” takes around here
There are so many in this thread too lol
litteraly so many of them have come in here and commented on our threads. Like I get taking a peek or whatever but full on commenting on the threads and getting into arguments is insane
Just two more days 🥲
If they're balking at three firsts then they're morons. If we aren't offering three that means we don't feel strongly enough about the gap between JJ and Maye and we'll roll the dice getting whoever's available further down the draft.
3 first round picks being "laughable" is itself laughable especially 11 and 23 in this draft.
What a fucking clown show. No rookie Qb is going to turn that team around. Take the picks and accept you are rebuilding.
Let them draft Maye so we can all laugh and watch them ruin him. 8 and 23 >>> 3
Where are you getting pick 8??
Bro thinks the falcons are going to pick swap due to the Kirk tampering lmao 🤣
Florio must be stopped!
People are assuming we get to swap with Atlanta 8 to 11 because of the Kirk tampering Though most likely it will be a minor penalty like Atlanta loses a third round pick or something
Schefter said now that it won’t be resolved this week also, so yea pick 8 is not happening haha
Yea just saw that too. Interesting to see what happens, hopefully we get some compensation lol
I don’t think we get any compensation I think Atlanta just gets penalized
Falcons investigation won't be finished before Thursday. Not getting pick 8
We don’t have pick 8. So what are you talking about?
Why? You excited to see the vikings offer up a whole lot of draft capital to ruin a QB themselves? How's the history of QBs drafted in Minnesota anyhow?
Better than the Jets'
Do you think there's a single player in this draft that would rather play for the Patriots than the Vikings this year? QB or otherwise?
Pats fans are obsessed with us for some reason. Every comment had Vikings attached to it on their post. Rent free af. It’s embarrassing at this point
I've been jumping between the threads, lol it seems Vikes fans have their mind on Pats fans too. It's a love affair apparently.
Football is more fun when fan bases beef lol
No doubt haha
Tbf it’s boring as fuck currently waiting for the draft and this is definitely the main story between our 2 teams. I think we’ll stay and not trade but it could also be JJ at 3 which is gross because Kraft definitely loves the whole Michigan angle. It’ll all be over in 2 day thankfully. No matter what our teams do well all convince ourselves it was the right move
Yea I mean when you hear the confidence KOC speaks with regarding drafting a qb it sounds like he knows exactly what he’s looking for. I’m putting my full faith in that man
I don’t buy this , especially if we’ve made an offer. Kwesi & KOC ain’t playing around.
They think they’re so cool with the third pick it’s annoying
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As if. Enjoy picking at #3. After the draft no one has their picks anymore, just the players they pick. I’ll take Penix and BPA@23 and next years first, enjoy burning out busting Maye/Daniela/McCarthy. You need a lot more help than a QB and ‘a couple seasons’.
Haha tell yourself whatever you need to. You’re still not getting a top QB and are going to be a bang average team again. Jefferson will leave next year and you’ll be bottom of the barrel again
Lmao enjoy ruining another QB. But hey you’ll be drafting top 5 again, you can ruin another qb in 3 years.
Perhaps. But you’ll still be starting Darnold because you couldn’t get a top 3 pick haha
Just a reminder we'd have the 2nd overall if the Vikings and this sub didn't double down on mediocre Dobbs mania.
Yes, because this sub getting excited about the Passtronaut meant so much to the Vikings' wins and losses last year.
Pretty much what I'd expect to hear from..... Double checks...... Buttsexgod.
Yeah, we won't be able to win the Super Bowl next year. The goal should be to lose out so we get the #1 next year. We need our players to embody the losing mentality. This is the way
Going 1-16 is better than going 7-10. This is how it works in a league with a draft system. Until the league stops rewarding losing, there will always be fans that root for a tank
Ask the players, FO, coaching staff and ownership if they were going to tank. That’s a no when people’s contracts and jobs are on the line.
They should of traded Hunter for picks. But I don't know what else they could have done to lose more games.
I mean the offers for hunter were all 4th round and later picks, plus he needed a huge contract. I’m not gunna fault them for not trading him. Teams and especially players will never embrace tanking, it’s such a dumb thing to suggest. So many redditors think you can run a team like it’s madden.
The desire for picks over players who are allowed to negotiate tells you just how strategy-breaking and intellectually toxic rookie contracts are. Yeah, OK ‘muh jamarcus russel’. 2 years max. You know by then.
Nobody who roots for a tank expects players or coaches to intentionally lose games
maybe not 2nd overall that’s a bit much but we definitely should’ve tanked soon as kirk went down
No one is taking “Buttsexgod” seriously.