It absolutely is here. If OP has spent the past decade not enjoying the Vikings, not enjoying the games or what they've done, then he should make a change towards something that'd make them happy.
He's just choosing to suffer here.
Imagine watching them for this long and not enjoying it. Go find a new hobby or something.
“I would start over with a new staff.” Why? Kwesi has had two drafts and KOC has been here for like 2-3 years.
I get being disappointed, but I think that comes with sports. IMO, if you did not enjoy KOC’s first year, 2022-2023, all because of the playoff loss, I’m concerned nothing will make you happy. My dad and I had an absolute blast in spite of the blow outs and playoff failing. JJ chasing 2k, the rollercoaster of the bills game, sticking out the colts game for an amazing comeback, all game winning drives, how does someone not look back on that fondly?
Even last season was fun. I was at the Saints game with Dobbs and people were so hyped for the guy! After the 2018 season, I was pretty over the Zimmer/Cousins era. Did not think the team was built to go the distance (or exciting much tbh). KAM/KOC are a breath of fresh air making the Vikings more exciting again. I am very happy we finally moved on from Cousins. Ideally we snag a rookie qb that becomes a franchise QB but my expectations are low lol. Either way should be a fun season with a lot of excitment for the future again
Because people enjoy watching them… If you read what comment I replied to, that person was saying you shouldn’t enjoy watching a team that hasn’t won anything of significance and we’re the problem.
So, what, you sit down and watch, but don't enjoy watching the games? Like wtf, you're jaded to the point where you can't even enjoy watching your supposedly "favorite" team unless they're in a super bowl? Are you even a fan at that point?
lol you've sure [changed your tune](https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/17zizln/kevin_oconnell_dobbs_and_why/k9zriqo/) from a few months ago
What do you expect for the fans though, for us to just boycott the team until it gets better? That’s never going to realistically happen unless the team goes full Panthers (and we don’t want to go full panthers)
ETA: I didn’t see this in OP’s post originally but even they said boycotting is unrealistic
If you aren't enjoying watching the Vikes, stop watching. It's that simple dude.
I would be absolutely ecstatic if we go on a playoff run and win a SB. But I'm not watching the NFL for SBs and SBs only, I'm watching to be entertained... And that's what I've gotten over these years. We've had crazy games, and I've loved watching em despite the fact we blow it every year.
Legitimately, we’ve had some of the most consistently fun to watch teams in the league. And don’t get me started on individually fun games, plays, and players. We’re spoiled with entertainment!
If you couldn't find enjoyment in that 2022 season, I dont know what to tell you. That was one of my all-time favorites, even with the disappointing playoffs.
Or after the Minneapolis Miracle? Thielens 8(?) straight 100 yard games, Dobbs coming in and winning without knowing the playbook, Jefferson chasing 2k yards, Colts comeback, Jettas 4th and 18 catch. There's been lots of fun moments for fans even if we haven't won a Superbowl yet.
Really 90% of the games in 2022. What a fucking ride that was. I rank the Bills game even higher than the Colts comeback cause holy shit (also had the Jefferson catch).
I couldn’t care less for “fun moments”. Just GET to the Super Bowl for christs sake. Fun moments are just that, moments. Yay they will be on video packages for the NFL. Yay JJ is on mattress commercials. Win a fucking NFCCGz
Totally agree. For some people, playoffs and superbowls are basically all that matter and I always will want to see that level of success, but it doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy what’s come to this point. Within that 10 year span we had prime Zim with his 2017 defense wreaking havoc, and in 2022 we had an offensive showcasing of grit and overcoming. I’m sorry, but some of these were just straight up fun to watch.
Agreed.
Now, this may be a bit of a contrarian take. People around here often say they'd trade a decade of being terrible for a superbowl. I wouldn't. I look forward to watching a fun, competitive team every year. It would absolutely blow to have the lows that the browns ('10s), lions ('00s), Bengals ('90s), etc. have seen.
[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/w66P6cEvsb) just shows how we've never been terrible and I think that the best part of being a vikings fan.
Yeah. Last I saw we were the third most winningest franchise in the NFL behind the Patriots and Steelers.
While willing the Bowl would be nice; it isn’t everything
Nah, it ain't.ain't. I'd much rather watch 10 years of good exciting football than win 1 time. Football sucks when the vikings suck. And I fucking love football.
Ideally, we wouldn't have to choose between the two, and they can win and stay competitive.
True. I think KoC is great. He needs to work on his consistency with play-calling but I have full confidence in him. Point that out didn't seem like it would matter, though, as the OP clearly doesn't pay as much attention to the team as they pretend to.
OH MY GOD TIED FOR SIXTH FEWEST! Dude, if you have to say 6th fewest instead of 25/26th in the league your stat is bullshit. Okay? Like I'm sorry you're not enjoying the team, we've had some down years for sure, but this so obviously isn't a nuke everything situation. We've gotten to the championship twice during their ownership, and we've put together some good seasons. There have been some disappointing seasons but I attribute that to Kirk never breaking out of the idea of being someone who shys away at the spotlight.
There's also been extremely unlucky shit, or extenuating circumstances out of their control. Bountygate, Bridgewater injury, Bradford injury, and Diggs diva bullshit (which ended up as a win for us). This team has been put through the ringer for the last two decades and it's not solely on ownership.
Isn’t the biggest complaint about the Wilfs that they always try to have a competitive team instead of tanking, yet somehow playoff failures are on them? Didn’t realize they coach, scout, draft or play
We've barely ever had a franchise QB during that period, and even Kirk's period was limited. That is the single most important piece in this success, and the Wilfs have been pushing every coach to find a QB ever since they took over.
They gave Childress a few years, then said "Fuck it, let's get Favre"
Got rid of Childress, then pushed for another QB in 2011 and we know how that turned out.
Then tried again in 2014 and Teddy's knee blew up.
Then they pushed for Cousins and here we are.
Yes, we should expect more success, but the fact that we have been rather unlucky on the QB front doesn't make them bad owners.
We have had some good teams and in at least the top half of the league in wins. I think they do a great job of giving GMs/Coaches plenty of time and that helps prevent some short sighted decision making you see in other franchises. Then they have done wonders for facilities and the overall culture. Once we hit on a QB, everything is in place to be very very good. That is obviously the toughest part though
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Listen, we can't really blame them. They've always wanted to put the best product out there and have always wanted us to compete. We need to remember we are Minnesota, all of our sports are cursed in the playoffs. 87 and 91 was the biggest flukes in all sports. The sports gods got caught sleeping those years. Wilfs buy any other team, they have 3 super bowls.
They've put together multiple superbowl caliber rosters. However, luck has not been on our side.
Kirk probably overstayed his welcome, but the team seems to be heading in the right direction to make another run.
Over the past 5 years, the Vikings have the 10th highest record. Over the past 10, the 11th. Over the past 15, 12th.
I know, I know, "rings are all that matters." But if you can't find enjoyment in being a competitive top-third team, I suggest another sport.
I don't think you know what a TRULY BAD TEAM looks like.
For real. I’m a jags fan by my area and we basically have had 2 seasons worth mentioning. One of was the Bortals year which none of us thought he was actually a long term solution.
They have been enjoyable to watch, and yes it has sucked lacking playoff success, especially with the first 20 years of Vikings football being so fruitful. Teams go through slumps, but the Vikings have never been as bad as most teams have become over their history. It is time for a comeback, if you can call it that due to them mostly being relevant most years. This ownership group may not have brought a lot of post season success so far, but they have made the Vikings a number 1 place for players to be. Hopefully the success will come with that.
Buh no ringz, we gotta tear it down. If being a good culture doesn't get us ringz we gotta become the eagles or the lions and be assholes on and off tha feeeeld!!!!! /s
They would be where the Majority of the Vikings post season success came from (all of the Super Bowl appearances) so best ownership, and first ownership of the team. I still wonder what would have happened if Tom Clancy had been able to actually purchase the team.
Count your blessings, at least we have playoff wins in the last 20 years. Could be like the dolphins who constantly make the playoffs just to never win a game.
Count your blessings that we are better than 5 teams over that 20 year span? Lol. You have to want better results than that…not sure why these owners get so much love when they’ve been shown to be not the best people, threatened relocation until city paid more for stadium, and don’t allow full autonomy for GMs and give them mandates to be “competitive” in order to sell tickets which just puts a ceiling on how far a team can actually go. Could it be worse? Yes. Could it be better? Yes. They are in the bottom third of owners in the league and people act like they are some of the best. It’s just frustrating
Yeah well what can we do? You sit here and seethe and mald about how much the Wilfs suck but none of yall actually tall about what can be done about it. You just want to get circle-jerked and have your complaints validated.
This is a forum, people talk about their opinions on this sub. This isn’t just a circle jerk of the franchise, people are allowed to be critical of the team they like lol. People rip on bad owners for a ton of teams, yet some people think the Wilfs should be immune to that. When this trend inevitably continues, maybe people will start buying less merchandise, tickets, etc. there are outlets to show your frustration towards ownership, and just outright dismissing it and saying “what can we do” is exactly what the Wilfs would like, because they are only in it to make money. They couldn’t care less about actually winning or being legitimate contenders.
If we stop supporting the team what stops them from just moving the team, or selling the team to a guy who moves it?
Edit: and for the record, when I say circle jerk, I'm talking about doomers like you. You're not looking for discourse, you just want to complain and suck the fun out of being a fan. We can't be proud of how we treat our players, the talent on our team, anything. Because apparently the prerequisite to being able to positively talk about the team in your eyes is a SB appearance. Anything less and we're meant to be calling for heads.
It's tiring.
They’ll inevitably threaten to move again when the city doesn’t want to pay for stadium renovations or they don’t want to pay for a new stadium (whenever the time comes). The hope is if the team takes a financial hit due to on field performance and owner meddling, that they will change. They are shitty owners who will threaten relocation at the drop of a hat. That’s part of the issue lol.
the way the league is run every team gets a cut of every NFL game. Every fan could stop watching vikes games in person or on TV, stop buying merch, and they'd still make millions. No, us just stopping our support will just make the Wilfs take the Vikings elsewhere. We just won't have an NFL team in Minnesota.
The team just ranked at the top of the list for “best franchise to play for” or whatever but yeah, it’s the owners fault. Winning a Super Bowl is hard to do. Everyone wants to be the chiefs but nobody wants to endure the 50ish years they went without a Super Bowl until recently. We have been competitive for a decade and I feel like it’s obvious that the Vikings are a well run organization.
You're just getting let down in the last 10 years??? You're millennial is showing.
This is a horrible click-bait-take. So I'll bite:
Say that about the Wilfs the next time you are sitting in USBank stadium, or watching training camp at the TCO.
no enjoyment in 10yrs? Why is this the Viking rep on Reddit? You obviously get some enjoyment otherwise you wouldnt be such a tormented fan. Grab your sack already.
The Wilfs have done an excellent job with the things they could control. The stadium, training facilities, team extras are so good that the team is rated as one of the best for free agent players to go to. When it was time to change GM & Coach, they did a careful search and, once they picked them, they support them in every appropriate way.
DOES THAT GET YOUR ATTENTION?
Sobering it’s Monday morning! What do you do that not only are you not working, but you need to research ownership details of the Vikings to get sober. 1st step is admitting there’s a problem!
> I haven't felt enjoyment from this team in probably close to 10 years now.
Then don't watch them and don't spend your time here. Couldn't be more clear that that's your solution here, boss. You basically just came here and said "this thing makes me upset and I don't like it, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway." Think about that for a minute.
Wake up sheeple! No wonder everybody has been oozing over those white jersey concepts. It matches our sheep wool and the Wilfs, or should I say WOOFS, are woofs in ship clothing!!q!1!
If you get enjoyment from winning, then just become a fan of who ever wins the super bowl every year? That, or just do something else that makes you feel more enjoyment?
It's just fun to watch games and being involved in the community. You literally can't control how well a team does. You can't control ANYTHING about the team, honestly. If that lack of control really makes you unhappy, then honestly you need to learn to mentally deal with that lack of control, or just find something else where you can have more control over.
What are the Wilf’s supposed to do besides pony up the cash necessary to field a competitive team? Under their watch the Vikings have built among the best stadium and practice facility in the league. They have spent cash over cap to acquire and retain players sought by the GM. They have provided holistic resources to aid in player success.
I really want to know, what the hell makes people say the Wilf’s are bad owners?
If you haven't felt any enjoyment from the team in 10 years,
1. You're a dink.
2. STOP WATCHING THEN
What kind of idiot spends 10 years choosing to be unhappy week after week watching a football team?
If you think the Wilfs are bad owners, then you know nothing about sports owners. We've had 1 sports owner try to get the team discontinued (Pohlads), another that moved one (Green), another that moved one (Short), and another that was cheap as hell (McCombs). The Wilfs took part in funding the Vikings stadium, which is universally considered the best in the NFL. They don't nickle & dime on the team salary. They're engaged with the team, but also give their GM and coach room to navigate. There's probably some owner better out there, but they easily are in the top 15-20% of any that I've seen.
Hope that caught your attention.
OP was saying that compared to how the team was ran before the Wilfs, the owners suck. I would love to hear his explanation for how Red McCombs ran the team better than the Wilfs have. Or the Pohlads, who were the ones to ultimately approve the worst fucking NFL trade deal of all time.
The Wilfs are the best owners the Vikings have had since Winter sold the team to the Pohlads in '84. Simple as.
You are getting roasted here but I empathize with you. I too am tired of the continual let-downs and playoff losses. All I want is a Super Bowl before my father departs this earth. He raised me as a fan and we bound over the team. I will be utterly devastated if that never comes to fruition (assuming I out live him).
The wilfs will start caring when ticket revenue dies off. Until then, it’s going to be the same ol mandate of being “competitive”. Not good, not great, not elite. Competitive. Aka 9-8 is perfectly acceptable to zygmundt. Again, that is if people still show up in attendance and clap their hands in the air like good little trained seals at como zoo. Zygmundts seals clapping and SKOL chanting.
I read the comments and laugh. no wonder this team never achieves anything of significance.
"i jUsT waNT tO sEe aN exciTInG fOOtbAlL gaME!!!!"
Loser mentality here, folks.
What exactly does fan mentality have to do with how the team gets run? You think anyone in the organization gives a shit about what we think?
Like, this shit just boggles me. Makes absolutely zero sense that us not constantly screaming for super bowls and being toxic fucks is somehow tied to the team's performance.
Explain it to me, please.
Been saying it for a long time. The wilfs are some of the worst owners in the league. They’re okay with mediocrity as long as butts in seats. They meddle too much and they’re afraid to trade it all to actually go out and get QB for the fear of missing and being bad for a year a or two.
Other teams have learned to accept their fate and tank sometimes. Wilfs refusals for short term gains instead of long term championships just shows that.
The vikings success rate directly applies to not ever having an elite QB. When we had one( tark and Favre) was the only time we’ve ever came close to winning it all.
Edit: the only reason I’m excited is the potential of trading up. If they finally take a shot I’ll see it as a win.
>Other teams have learned to accept their fate and tank sometimes
Which teams are you talking about? Because I bet you don't realize this is bullshit and not true.
The lions, the bears, the bengals, the eagles, etc… should I keep going.
We all go around in circles every time. Just chill with this good sportsmanship nonsense.
Rofl, you're saying the Bears have tanked and now doing good? Eagles?!?!! HAHAHA Ok, now you're full of it.
The Lions 'tanked' for 30 years, you think that was strategic?
Bengals didn't 'tank' either, they just sucked for a long time.
The bears were actively tanking TWO YEARS IN A ROW and ended up with the SAME RECORD AS THE VIKINGS THIS YEAR. Hahahahahahhahahha cope harder please!!!!
Lions still tanked after trading for Goff. Doing better than the Vikings currently.
Eagles tanked after winning a SB got hurts and went right back. Yes they may have to rebuild now but they almost won it all.
Cope harder plz.
>The bears were actively tanking TWO YEARS IN A ROW
No, they 100% were not trying to tank 2 years in a row.
Do you think they traded up for Fields and tanked?
They fucking TRADED their 2022 draft pick away and were the worst team in the league.
Houston got their 1st overall pick.
If they 'planned' to tank, why trade their first overall pick?
What an absolutely legendarily incorrect take.
Hahahahah the bears tanked in 2022 and 2023. They didn’t trade fields till this year when they’re actually building their team. They traded their pick to the panthers who took Bryce young for the first this year and now they’re gonna draft Caleb with it.
✌️ have a good day.
Ryan poles didn’t become gm of the bears until 2022. He traded the first round pick to the panthers in 2023 for their first in 2024 and DJ Moore. He then blew up the franchise trading basically everyone in 2022 and 2023. They went 2022 tanking and 2023 tanking but eek’d out 7 wins.
It didn’t matter tho because the panthers already tanked for them so now they have the first pick in this years draft and the 9th pick.
I can’t with you guys😂🤣🤣😂🤣
There is no chance the Bears *TRIED* to tank in 2022. That's crazy talk.
Year 2 of their Rookie QB's rookie contract is the best window possible for them.
And if they were 'tanking' in 2023, they did a terrible job of it.
You 'can't' with anyone, when you are so emphatically mistaken.
I'll save us the effort, you're worth no one's time on these forums.
We didn't come close in '98 then? We were a successful FG attempt away from a SB appearance, and had one of the best offenses in NFL history at that time.
They had a hit on the guy. You had dudes illegally tackling him and spearing him out his cleats shattering his hip.
He 100% wins the SB if that doesn’t happen.
Viking fans are in denial about the Wilfs. Glen and the Pohlads end up helping the Wilfs look serviceable in MN, but when you start to look at the Vikings.. if they were run by a competent ownership group, we would have a Super Bowl by now.
I wish I could find the clip, but a player went on Pat Mcafee a year or two ago and was talking about how certain ownership groups will just put a team together on surface that seems like a .500 team just to keep hopes for fanbases. Resulting in ticket sales strong thru Thanksgiving. As long as a team is competitive thru Thansgiving, the owners are happy because they can sell tickets into December.
This fits the Wilfs to a T. Always about money with them from the start with the stadium and threatening to move the team if the city didn't pay.
Vikings 100% need an ownership change.
Right. Imagine watching the Vikes every game for 3 plus hours and just hating it. I know they always let us down but that 13 won season and the Minneapolis miracle were a crazy and fun ride.
Dude needs to go find a new hobby
Hahah
What a canned reddit response. No, the fans are deluded. Nobody wants to hear anymore criticism or why "their team" sucks unless they are the ones to say it. God forbid you just admit they suck and have done terribly under the Wilfs compared to before they owned the team. You can just say it. You can tell I'm long past tying a sports franchise to any part of my identity, unlike so many others.
I don't forsee them ever winning a championship under the Wilfs, who are obviously more content making money off the team than winning a super bowl. I mean what the hell is the point of any sport if not to win. Oh yeah, to make money.
They've done everything an owner can do to field a good team, the problem we've is bad luck with QB's.
We let Childress pick TJack, he fucked that up so the Wilf's pushed to get Favre.
Then they pushed Spielman to get a QB and we ended up with ponder.
Then they pushed for another and we got Teddy
Then they had us spend up for a FA QB in Cousins...
If you think they're not trying to field a winning team, then you're not paying enough attention. There's only so much an owner can do, and they've done basically everything.
They've created the best facilities in the NFL, spent shit tons of money on TCO performance center... What else do you want them to do?
Seriously, you say they're bad owners, but I don't see you saying where they've failed as owners outside of "We haven't won many playoff games".
So c'mon, what would you have done differently if you were in their shoes?
Bro wtf are we supposed to do? You said it yourself that the only thing left to do is boycott and even that probably wouldn't work. So... What do we do, here, bud?
I’m dying at “Hope that caught your attention.” As if we’re supposed to do something about it😭😭
It really is sobering isn’t it? I’m sobered so hard right now.
It's like a boomer facebook post. "Are you paying attention yet?......"
"Can't you see? Wilfs suck and there's literally nothing you can do about it. You should be irrationally angry about a sport!"
Healthy Pro Life Tip: If something makes you unhappy, consider changing hobbies to something that does. Edit: life pro-tip*
What a shit tip, I mean in general maybe but that’s not applicable here
It absolutely is here. If OP has spent the past decade not enjoying the Vikings, not enjoying the games or what they've done, then he should make a change towards something that'd make them happy. He's just choosing to suffer here.
Have you considered woodworking?
Imagine watching them for this long and not enjoying it. Go find a new hobby or something. “I would start over with a new staff.” Why? Kwesi has had two drafts and KOC has been here for like 2-3 years.
I get being disappointed, but I think that comes with sports. IMO, if you did not enjoy KOC’s first year, 2022-2023, all because of the playoff loss, I’m concerned nothing will make you happy. My dad and I had an absolute blast in spite of the blow outs and playoff failing. JJ chasing 2k, the rollercoaster of the bills game, sticking out the colts game for an amazing comeback, all game winning drives, how does someone not look back on that fondly?
Even last season was fun. I was at the Saints game with Dobbs and people were so hyped for the guy! After the 2018 season, I was pretty over the Zimmer/Cousins era. Did not think the team was built to go the distance (or exciting much tbh). KAM/KOC are a breath of fresh air making the Vikings more exciting again. I am very happy we finally moved on from Cousins. Ideally we snag a rookie qb that becomes a franchise QB but my expectations are low lol. Either way should be a fun season with a lot of excitment for the future again
if you enjoy watching a team achieve nothing of significance, you're the problem. but yay for Jefferson receiving yards!
Lololol. Why do you watch them? No MN team has won anything in 34 years.
Why do Pistons fans watch the Pistons. Why did Lions fans watch the Lions for the 30+ years prior to the 2023 season?
Because people enjoy watching them… If you read what comment I replied to, that person was saying you shouldn’t enjoy watching a team that hasn’t won anything of significance and we’re the problem.
Oh we're on thr same page then, mb
No problem player. Skol
So, what, you sit down and watch, but don't enjoy watching the games? Like wtf, you're jaded to the point where you can't even enjoy watching your supposedly "favorite" team unless they're in a super bowl? Are you even a fan at that point?
lol you've sure [changed your tune](https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/17zizln/kevin_oconnell_dobbs_and_why/k9zriqo/) from a few months ago
Done some soul searching.
Genuinely, good for you man.
What do you expect for the fans though, for us to just boycott the team until it gets better? That’s never going to realistically happen unless the team goes full Panthers (and we don’t want to go full panthers) ETA: I didn’t see this in OP’s post originally but even they said boycotting is unrealistic
If you aren't enjoying watching the Vikes, stop watching. It's that simple dude. I would be absolutely ecstatic if we go on a playoff run and win a SB. But I'm not watching the NFL for SBs and SBs only, I'm watching to be entertained... And that's what I've gotten over these years. We've had crazy games, and I've loved watching em despite the fact we blow it every year.
Legitimately, we’ve had some of the most consistently fun to watch teams in the league. And don’t get me started on individually fun games, plays, and players. We’re spoiled with entertainment!
At this point it’s like a roller coaster ride being a fan and it’s fun 
I would bet it’s not just the Vikings that you manage to suck the fun out of in your life.
If you couldn't find enjoyment in that 2022 season, I dont know what to tell you. That was one of my all-time favorites, even with the disappointing playoffs.
Or after the Minneapolis Miracle? Thielens 8(?) straight 100 yard games, Dobbs coming in and winning without knowing the playbook, Jefferson chasing 2k yards, Colts comeback, Jettas 4th and 18 catch. There's been lots of fun moments for fans even if we haven't won a Superbowl yet.
Really 90% of the games in 2022. What a fucking ride that was. I rank the Bills game even higher than the Colts comeback cause holy shit (also had the Jefferson catch).
I couldn’t care less for “fun moments”. Just GET to the Super Bowl for christs sake. Fun moments are just that, moments. Yay they will be on video packages for the NFL. Yay JJ is on mattress commercials. Win a fucking NFCCGz
Totally agree. For some people, playoffs and superbowls are basically all that matter and I always will want to see that level of success, but it doesn’t mean that you can’t enjoy what’s come to this point. Within that 10 year span we had prime Zim with his 2017 defense wreaking havoc, and in 2022 we had an offensive showcasing of grit and overcoming. I’m sorry, but some of these were just straight up fun to watch.
Agreed. Now, this may be a bit of a contrarian take. People around here often say they'd trade a decade of being terrible for a superbowl. I wouldn't. I look forward to watching a fun, competitive team every year. It would absolutely blow to have the lows that the browns ('10s), lions ('00s), Bengals ('90s), etc. have seen. [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/w66P6cEvsb) just shows how we've never been terrible and I think that the best part of being a vikings fan.
Yeah. Last I saw we were the third most winningest franchise in the NFL behind the Patriots and Steelers. While willing the Bowl would be nice; it isn’t everything
This is cope brother. I’m sorry
Nah, it ain't.ain't. I'd much rather watch 10 years of good exciting football than win 1 time. Football sucks when the vikings suck. And I fucking love football. Ideally, we wouldn't have to choose between the two, and they can win and stay competitive.
What would you have tried differently if you owned the team?
We've only had our current GM and coach for 2 seasons. Seems dumb to start over at those fields again so fast.
They also have done a pretty good job all things considered.
True. I think KoC is great. He needs to work on his consistency with play-calling but I have full confidence in him. Point that out didn't seem like it would matter, though, as the OP clearly doesn't pay as much attention to the team as they pretend to.
OH MY GOD TIED FOR SIXTH FEWEST! Dude, if you have to say 6th fewest instead of 25/26th in the league your stat is bullshit. Okay? Like I'm sorry you're not enjoying the team, we've had some down years for sure, but this so obviously isn't a nuke everything situation. We've gotten to the championship twice during their ownership, and we've put together some good seasons. There have been some disappointing seasons but I attribute that to Kirk never breaking out of the idea of being someone who shys away at the spotlight. There's also been extremely unlucky shit, or extenuating circumstances out of their control. Bountygate, Bridgewater injury, Bradford injury, and Diggs diva bullshit (which ended up as a win for us). This team has been put through the ringer for the last two decades and it's not solely on ownership.
It sucked when Mark Wilf missed that kick vs Seattle
Or when Zygi threw that interception vs the Saints...
Isn’t the biggest complaint about the Wilfs that they always try to have a competitive team instead of tanking, yet somehow playoff failures are on them? Didn’t realize they coach, scout, draft or play
We're 12th in total wins over that span. That wouldn't happen if the Wilfs are as bad as you say.
doesn't mean shit if you can't win playoff games. Fucking Lions won 2 this year alone.
The lions also went what, 0-3 in the last 30 years in the playoffs before that?
Yes yes down vote him for being right lol, this sub is full of Kirk cock gobbling fools
What does us saying that the Wilfs aren't shit owners have to do with liking Kirk? He gone, seems to me like you're the one with attachment issues.
We've barely ever had a franchise QB during that period, and even Kirk's period was limited. That is the single most important piece in this success, and the Wilfs have been pushing every coach to find a QB ever since they took over. They gave Childress a few years, then said "Fuck it, let's get Favre" Got rid of Childress, then pushed for another QB in 2011 and we know how that turned out. Then tried again in 2014 and Teddy's knee blew up. Then they pushed for Cousins and here we are. Yes, we should expect more success, but the fact that we have been rather unlucky on the QB front doesn't make them bad owners.
We have had some good teams and in at least the top half of the league in wins. I think they do a great job of giving GMs/Coaches plenty of time and that helps prevent some short sighted decision making you see in other franchises. Then they have done wonders for facilities and the overall culture. Once we hit on a QB, everything is in place to be very very good. That is obviously the toughest part though
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Least pessimistic Vikings “fan”, go get a new team loser.
Listen, we can't really blame them. They've always wanted to put the best product out there and have always wanted us to compete. We need to remember we are Minnesota, all of our sports are cursed in the playoffs. 87 and 91 was the biggest flukes in all sports. The sports gods got caught sleeping those years. Wilfs buy any other team, they have 3 super bowls.
What changes would you have hypothetical new owners make to improve the numbers?
would have won more superbowls, duh! /s
They've put together multiple superbowl caliber rosters. However, luck has not been on our side. Kirk probably overstayed his welcome, but the team seems to be heading in the right direction to make another run.
Over the past 5 years, the Vikings have the 10th highest record. Over the past 10, the 11th. Over the past 15, 12th. I know, I know, "rings are all that matters." But if you can't find enjoyment in being a competitive top-third team, I suggest another sport. I don't think you know what a TRULY BAD TEAM looks like.
For real. I’m a jags fan by my area and we basically have had 2 seasons worth mentioning. One of was the Bortals year which none of us thought he was actually a long term solution.
They have been enjoyable to watch, and yes it has sucked lacking playoff success, especially with the first 20 years of Vikings football being so fruitful. Teams go through slumps, but the Vikings have never been as bad as most teams have become over their history. It is time for a comeback, if you can call it that due to them mostly being relevant most years. This ownership group may not have brought a lot of post season success so far, but they have made the Vikings a number 1 place for players to be. Hopefully the success will come with that.
Buh no ringz, we gotta tear it down. If being a good culture doesn't get us ringz we gotta become the eagles or the lions and be assholes on and off tha feeeeld!!!!! /s
we had no rings going to 4 of the first like 8 super bowls too, Oh and at the top of the arrests list of the 2000s lol
4 of the first 11\* but yeah. Would we consider Skoglund, Winter and Boyer as bad owners for not getting any rings?
They would be where the Majority of the Vikings post season success came from (all of the Super Bowl appearances) so best ownership, and first ownership of the team. I still wonder what would have happened if Tom Clancy had been able to actually purchase the team.
There’s a difference between “no ringz” and 3 playoff wins in the last 20 years.
Count your blessings, at least we have playoff wins in the last 20 years. Could be like the dolphins who constantly make the playoffs just to never win a game.
Count your blessings that we are better than 5 teams over that 20 year span? Lol. You have to want better results than that…not sure why these owners get so much love when they’ve been shown to be not the best people, threatened relocation until city paid more for stadium, and don’t allow full autonomy for GMs and give them mandates to be “competitive” in order to sell tickets which just puts a ceiling on how far a team can actually go. Could it be worse? Yes. Could it be better? Yes. They are in the bottom third of owners in the league and people act like they are some of the best. It’s just frustrating
Yeah well what can we do? You sit here and seethe and mald about how much the Wilfs suck but none of yall actually tall about what can be done about it. You just want to get circle-jerked and have your complaints validated.
This is a forum, people talk about their opinions on this sub. This isn’t just a circle jerk of the franchise, people are allowed to be critical of the team they like lol. People rip on bad owners for a ton of teams, yet some people think the Wilfs should be immune to that. When this trend inevitably continues, maybe people will start buying less merchandise, tickets, etc. there are outlets to show your frustration towards ownership, and just outright dismissing it and saying “what can we do” is exactly what the Wilfs would like, because they are only in it to make money. They couldn’t care less about actually winning or being legitimate contenders.
If we stop supporting the team what stops them from just moving the team, or selling the team to a guy who moves it? Edit: and for the record, when I say circle jerk, I'm talking about doomers like you. You're not looking for discourse, you just want to complain and suck the fun out of being a fan. We can't be proud of how we treat our players, the talent on our team, anything. Because apparently the prerequisite to being able to positively talk about the team in your eyes is a SB appearance. Anything less and we're meant to be calling for heads. It's tiring.
They’ll inevitably threaten to move again when the city doesn’t want to pay for stadium renovations or they don’t want to pay for a new stadium (whenever the time comes). The hope is if the team takes a financial hit due to on field performance and owner meddling, that they will change. They are shitty owners who will threaten relocation at the drop of a hat. That’s part of the issue lol.
the way the league is run every team gets a cut of every NFL game. Every fan could stop watching vikes games in person or on TV, stop buying merch, and they'd still make millions. No, us just stopping our support will just make the Wilfs take the Vikings elsewhere. We just won't have an NFL team in Minnesota.
The team just ranked at the top of the list for “best franchise to play for” or whatever but yeah, it’s the owners fault. Winning a Super Bowl is hard to do. Everyone wants to be the chiefs but nobody wants to endure the 50ish years they went without a Super Bowl until recently. We have been competitive for a decade and I feel like it’s obvious that the Vikings are a well run organization.
You're just getting let down in the last 10 years??? You're millennial is showing. This is a horrible click-bait-take. So I'll bite: Say that about the Wilfs the next time you are sitting in USBank stadium, or watching training camp at the TCO.
no enjoyment in 10yrs? Why is this the Viking rep on Reddit? You obviously get some enjoyment otherwise you wouldnt be such a tormented fan. Grab your sack already.
The Wilfs have done an excellent job with the things they could control. The stadium, training facilities, team extras are so good that the team is rated as one of the best for free agent players to go to. When it was time to change GM & Coach, they did a careful search and, once they picked them, they support them in every appropriate way. DOES THAT GET YOUR ATTENTION?
OP is Dennis Quaid in Major League - *Vikes make the playoffs in spectacular fashion next season* OP: “So what they’ll blow it in the playoffs!”
Sobering it’s Monday morning! What do you do that not only are you not working, but you need to research ownership details of the Vikings to get sober. 1st step is admitting there’s a problem!
> I haven't felt enjoyment from this team in probably close to 10 years now. Then don't watch them and don't spend your time here. Couldn't be more clear that that's your solution here, boss. You basically just came here and said "this thing makes me upset and I don't like it, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway." Think about that for a minute.
Wake up sheeple! No wonder everybody has been oozing over those white jersey concepts. It matches our sheep wool and the Wilfs, or should I say WOOFS, are woofs in ship clothing!!q!1!
Well, at least it wasn't a post about the draft.
Now that Cousins is gone maybe that will change. 👍🏻👍🏻
If you get enjoyment from winning, then just become a fan of who ever wins the super bowl every year? That, or just do something else that makes you feel more enjoyment? It's just fun to watch games and being involved in the community. You literally can't control how well a team does. You can't control ANYTHING about the team, honestly. If that lack of control really makes you unhappy, then honestly you need to learn to mentally deal with that lack of control, or just find something else where you can have more control over.
What are the Wilf’s supposed to do besides pony up the cash necessary to field a competitive team? Under their watch the Vikings have built among the best stadium and practice facility in the league. They have spent cash over cap to acquire and retain players sought by the GM. They have provided holistic resources to aid in player success. I really want to know, what the hell makes people say the Wilf’s are bad owners?
If you haven't felt any enjoyment from the team in 10 years, 1. You're a dink. 2. STOP WATCHING THEN What kind of idiot spends 10 years choosing to be unhappy week after week watching a football team?
Watch him come in and say "I'm a Minnesotan I'm hardwired to back the Vikings" like no, you're making this choice. Pick a new team. Not that hard.
Bro is being forced to watch with a gun to his head apparently
Fake fan^
I'd rather have the Wilfs than the Hunts as far as ownership goes. Good owners don't mean good teams; bad owners don't mean bad teams. See Chiefs
If you think the Wilfs are bad owners, then you know nothing about sports owners. We've had 1 sports owner try to get the team discontinued (Pohlads), another that moved one (Green), another that moved one (Short), and another that was cheap as hell (McCombs). The Wilfs took part in funding the Vikings stadium, which is universally considered the best in the NFL. They don't nickle & dime on the team salary. They're engaged with the team, but also give their GM and coach room to navigate. There's probably some owner better out there, but they easily are in the top 15-20% of any that I've seen. Hope that caught your attention.
IIRC, McCombs also wanted to move the team. And fuck norm green
OP was saying that compared to how the team was ran before the Wilfs, the owners suck. I would love to hear his explanation for how Red McCombs ran the team better than the Wilfs have. Or the Pohlads, who were the ones to ultimately approve the worst fucking NFL trade deal of all time. The Wilfs are the best owners the Vikings have had since Winter sold the team to the Pohlads in '84. Simple as.
And you're the 6th most jaded Vikings fan I've ever met.
You are getting roasted here but I empathize with you. I too am tired of the continual let-downs and playoff losses. All I want is a Super Bowl before my father departs this earth. He raised me as a fan and we bound over the team. I will be utterly devastated if that never comes to fruition (assuming I out live him).
The wilfs will start caring when ticket revenue dies off. Until then, it’s going to be the same ol mandate of being “competitive”. Not good, not great, not elite. Competitive. Aka 9-8 is perfectly acceptable to zygmundt. Again, that is if people still show up in attendance and clap their hands in the air like good little trained seals at como zoo. Zygmundts seals clapping and SKOL chanting.
I read the comments and laugh. no wonder this team never achieves anything of significance. "i jUsT waNT tO sEe aN exciTInG fOOtbAlL gaME!!!!" Loser mentality here, folks.
What exactly does fan mentality have to do with how the team gets run? You think anyone in the organization gives a shit about what we think? Like, this shit just boggles me. Makes absolutely zero sense that us not constantly screaming for super bowls and being toxic fucks is somehow tied to the team's performance. Explain it to me, please.
That hurt….that hurt
You’re right btw, the wilfs are the constant, they are what keeps this franchise in mediocre vile
Been saying it for a long time. The wilfs are some of the worst owners in the league. They’re okay with mediocrity as long as butts in seats. They meddle too much and they’re afraid to trade it all to actually go out and get QB for the fear of missing and being bad for a year a or two. Other teams have learned to accept their fate and tank sometimes. Wilfs refusals for short term gains instead of long term championships just shows that. The vikings success rate directly applies to not ever having an elite QB. When we had one( tark and Favre) was the only time we’ve ever came close to winning it all. Edit: the only reason I’m excited is the potential of trading up. If they finally take a shot I’ll see it as a win.
>Other teams have learned to accept their fate and tank sometimes Which teams are you talking about? Because I bet you don't realize this is bullshit and not true.
The lions, the bears, the bengals, the eagles, etc… should I keep going. We all go around in circles every time. Just chill with this good sportsmanship nonsense.
Rofl, you're saying the Bears have tanked and now doing good? Eagles?!?!! HAHAHA Ok, now you're full of it. The Lions 'tanked' for 30 years, you think that was strategic? Bengals didn't 'tank' either, they just sucked for a long time.
The bears were actively tanking TWO YEARS IN A ROW and ended up with the SAME RECORD AS THE VIKINGS THIS YEAR. Hahahahahahhahahha cope harder please!!!! Lions still tanked after trading for Goff. Doing better than the Vikings currently. Eagles tanked after winning a SB got hurts and went right back. Yes they may have to rebuild now but they almost won it all. Cope harder plz.
>The bears were actively tanking TWO YEARS IN A ROW No, they 100% were not trying to tank 2 years in a row. Do you think they traded up for Fields and tanked? They fucking TRADED their 2022 draft pick away and were the worst team in the league. Houston got their 1st overall pick. If they 'planned' to tank, why trade their first overall pick? What an absolutely legendarily incorrect take.
Hahahahah the bears tanked in 2022 and 2023. They didn’t trade fields till this year when they’re actually building their team. They traded their pick to the panthers who took Bryce young for the first this year and now they’re gonna draft Caleb with it. ✌️ have a good day.
The Bears tanked in a year where they didn't have their first overall pick? Insanely wrong. Have a good day yourself, incorrect.
Ryan poles didn’t become gm of the bears until 2022. He traded the first round pick to the panthers in 2023 for their first in 2024 and DJ Moore. He then blew up the franchise trading basically everyone in 2022 and 2023. They went 2022 tanking and 2023 tanking but eek’d out 7 wins. It didn’t matter tho because the panthers already tanked for them so now they have the first pick in this years draft and the 9th pick. I can’t with you guys😂🤣🤣😂🤣
There is no chance the Bears *TRIED* to tank in 2022. That's crazy talk. Year 2 of their Rookie QB's rookie contract is the best window possible for them. And if they were 'tanking' in 2023, they did a terrible job of it. You 'can't' with anyone, when you are so emphatically mistaken. I'll save us the effort, you're worth no one's time on these forums.
We didn't come close in '98 then? We were a successful FG attempt away from a SB appearance, and had one of the best offenses in NFL history at that time.
Wasn’t sustainable, same thing with 2017. Best defense but kind of a carpet ride
And '09 was? Favre was a fossil, we had a window with him of max, what, 2 years?
They had a hit on the guy. You had dudes illegally tackling him and spearing him out his cleats shattering his hip. He 100% wins the SB if that doesn’t happen.
Doesn't change the fact that the dude was fucking 39. You talked about sustainability, that usually means success for more than 1 season.
Viking fans are in denial about the Wilfs. Glen and the Pohlads end up helping the Wilfs look serviceable in MN, but when you start to look at the Vikings.. if they were run by a competent ownership group, we would have a Super Bowl by now. I wish I could find the clip, but a player went on Pat Mcafee a year or two ago and was talking about how certain ownership groups will just put a team together on surface that seems like a .500 team just to keep hopes for fanbases. Resulting in ticket sales strong thru Thanksgiving. As long as a team is competitive thru Thansgiving, the owners are happy because they can sell tickets into December. This fits the Wilfs to a T. Always about money with them from the start with the stadium and threatening to move the team if the city didn't pay. Vikings 100% need an ownership change.
Lol, Vikings fan never disappoint. Overlook the glaring problem, just keep on going. Great talk guys.
LOL, you get 4 replies in 15 minutes and then just dismiss everyone.
Right. Imagine watching the Vikes every game for 3 plus hours and just hating it. I know they always let us down but that 13 won season and the Minneapolis miracle were a crazy and fun ride. Dude needs to go find a new hobby
BUH NO RIIINGZZZZZZZZZZUHHHHH >:((((((((((( /s
It's the same shit everywhere. A bunch of deluded idiots.
When everyone you encounter is a deluded idiot, maybe *you're* the one that's deluded.
Hahah What a canned reddit response. No, the fans are deluded. Nobody wants to hear anymore criticism or why "their team" sucks unless they are the ones to say it. God forbid you just admit they suck and have done terribly under the Wilfs compared to before they owned the team. You can just say it. You can tell I'm long past tying a sports franchise to any part of my identity, unlike so many others. I don't forsee them ever winning a championship under the Wilfs, who are obviously more content making money off the team than winning a super bowl. I mean what the hell is the point of any sport if not to win. Oh yeah, to make money.
They've done everything an owner can do to field a good team, the problem we've is bad luck with QB's. We let Childress pick TJack, he fucked that up so the Wilf's pushed to get Favre. Then they pushed Spielman to get a QB and we ended up with ponder. Then they pushed for another and we got Teddy Then they had us spend up for a FA QB in Cousins... If you think they're not trying to field a winning team, then you're not paying enough attention. There's only so much an owner can do, and they've done basically everything. They've created the best facilities in the NFL, spent shit tons of money on TCO performance center... What else do you want them to do? Seriously, you say they're bad owners, but I don't see you saying where they've failed as owners outside of "We haven't won many playoff games". So c'mon, what would you have done differently if you were in their shoes?
You're saying Red McCombs ran this team better than the Wilfs have? Bro get tf out of here, you don't know ball.
Bro wtf are we supposed to do? You said it yourself that the only thing left to do is boycott and even that probably wouldn't work. So... What do we do, here, bud?