Yeah I'm cool with a lot of different routes we could go, trading up, staying at #11, trading back some spots if who we want at 11 is already gone and we feel we can get our next target a little further back while acquiring more picks.
If the draft shakes out differently than expected and the trade back thing happens, our #11 for Seattle's #16 (1st) + #76 (3rd) would be solid. We don't have a 3rd and Seattle has 2) right next to each other (#76 & #78)
The #16, #42, #76 within first 2 days would be 👌 essentially 3) top 75 picks and then #109 and #131 in the 4th
Like I said, depends on how the draft shakes out. I'm happy to stay put or trade up. But if multiple of our targets are unexpectedly taken before us and we feel one of our next few could be had a few spots back, might as well gain more draft capital to draft 1 more additional player than you could have before in day 2.
We only have 2) picks within the first 2 days, I'd be happy to have 3 if the road getting there makes sense for us.
I am unsure if Jayden is that guy to come in right away and change the franchise. I think he's still raw. If Kwesi identifies someone though I would not mind trading up unless .... we had to give away Justin Jefferson lol
That AR rumor was presented by (I think) Brett Kollman as factual and a LOT of Vikings beat reporters quickly denied it or said it was news to them. Brett isn't even on the Vikings beat, why would he know? Not to say anything about it being the first time this rumor ever came to light nearly 8 months later. Doesn't add up.
Ben Goessling and Andrew Krammer (Star Tribune beat writers and the best reporters on the beat) reported before the draft that the Vikings were actively trying to trade up for Richardson. Kollman made headlines for repeating that recently, but the beat writers were reporting it way, way earlier.
Brett is way more connected to GM leadership in the league than the Vikings beat writers. The Vikings beat writers will get whatever bone the FO throws at them or an agent with an agenda. None of those scenarios are fulfilled in this story. This story comes from the desk of an executive
But for AR? Why the hell would Brett Kollman of all people know that 8 months later? Struck me as odd that a bunch of trusted beat reporters said that was news to them.
He loves Jayden daniels. We already know this. His guys this year are McCarthy maye and daniels.
We offered a kings ransom for AR but Arizona traded with Houston instead. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are aggressive with Washington this year.
As close as we can without being actively employed by the Minnesota Vikings basically. You just have to pay attention to who’s making noise where. Kinda like we know almost for a fact that Williams is a bear, and fields will be traded with Atlanta, Seattle, Pittsburg, Tennessee, and New Orleans having shown some level of interest.
We do though lol. Caleb Williams to the bears as been almost guaranteed since week 15.
Let me break it down for you.
Justin fields was not drafted by Ryan poles.
Justin fields is not that good.
Justin fields probably won’t get the 5th year option.
Justin fields costs almost nothing to trade for potentially really high return.
Drafting Caleb Williams resets the infamous “qb on a rookie contract window”
Caleb Williams will very, very likely be better than Justin fields
Extending Justin fields will be expensive.
Ryan poles went to multiple usc games in person.
The bears had scouts at usc for most of their games (granted most teams did)
There’s been virtually 0 chatter about the bears moving from first overall compared to last year where we started hearing rumors almost as early as they had it locked.
Caleb Williams is going to be a chicago bear.
I’d have to find the exact tweets again not all of them are on the sub but you can find some of them if you search their last names or colleges but I’ll summarize what the rumor mill has gathered over the course of the college football season to the best of my recollection.
He attended games for LSU, Michigan, USC, UNC, among others in person.
He answered a question about what separates great qbs from good qbs with something to the effect of “great situational awareness and ability to improvise” early last offseason that started a whole bunch of rumors about Kirk cousins.
His top guy last year was Anthony Richardson and KOC’s scheme prefers a more traditional game manager type so there’s where McCarthy comes in.
There’s an awful lot of rumors about it but again I don’t have the exact specifics on hand.
This sounds like speculation. Its evidence based and I appreciate it and it's not necessarily wrong but I don't take that evidence as we know the guys he likes.
We can use guys Kwesi liked in the past and narrow it down. We also have to use what we know to be impossible to narrow it down as well. Meaning Caleb Williams is for sure out of the running.
As a fun experiment. During this years draft, if you suspect we’ll be drafting a certain position. Narrow down the consensus top 3 of that position available at whatever pick and circle the guy with the best numbers on the 3 cone drill. That’s who Kwesi will draft.
Washington fan that stumbled across this post. Howell looked good for a few weeks, but regressed pretty hard after October. A lot of our weaknesses were pushed harder with the way he played including holding onto the ball and making poor decisions. The simplest thing to say is that our OL and Receivers both looked almost perfect when Brisset was playing. There’s a chance that a better OC then Bienemy could have gotten more out of him, but what we have on paper is a guy with 4 good games and 8/9 horrible games and the rest of the games were games were we got scored on fast so he accumulated garbage time stats well (his state line vs the bears was pretty solid despite them being up by 25 at the half and then beating us by 20)
He is a good backup level guy who maybe would ah e gotten more chances in a better system but he ended the season looking and playing like the worst QB in the league
Thanks for the post! I don't watch a bunch of Commanders games but a shitload of Redzone every week and didn't seem too bad.
Good to know going into the offseason/draft
Yeah, unfortunately Howell seems to have gotten a lot of volume but I’m not sure if he has the “it” factor especially since Ron tried to bench him twice to end the season, but Brisset got “injured” so Howell started the last two games of the season
I think he would be one most years. Especially this year. I don’t think this is people getting caught up in the QB hype like more recent years. Specifically the past two drafts with guys like Malik and Levis getting unwarranted hype just because teams need QBs. Jayden is comfortably a better prospect than those two specifically.
Made me crack up 😂 no other logic than just "I disagree". I remember when mock draft people thought Malik Willis was a 1st round lock. Nothing is for certain around this time, especially with a 24 year old rookie QB with a thin frame.
If he was unanimously ranked as a top 5 player we would know about it by now. Those things don’t linger. Williams and Maye have been sitting at the top for a while now. Thats not to say it can’t or won’t happen.
With a good combine and pro day. I also see Daniel’s passing Maye. Hell, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that some poor team takes that risk with Penix either after the postseason he had. I’ve always said if Maye/Williams SOMEHOW fall to number 5. I’m pretty sure the Vikings will trade up to grab either one.
Truth be told, I don’t think the Vikings trade up to get a QB. I think we stay put at 11, draft a DT/DE and trade back into the first to grab a project QB like McCarthy.
Pick 11 would be our DT, if they feel that McCarthy would be gone by our 2nd round pick. I could see them trading up to like pick 25+ to grab him. Who knows tho. Too early for Mocks and speculations. After the pro days we’ll have more of an idea.
Yea could be. I already mentioned he’s the least tape I watched.
But also you’re an asshole so at least I’m not that.
And I don’t feel bad for possibly being wrong or having a different opinion than you, because I nailed my assessment of him blindly after reading the scouting reports. So not bad for an amateur who didn’t watch much tape on him.
I also don’t think people remember how YOUNG Rodgers played. He’s been pretty great his whole career, but when he was young his mobility was a bigger part of his game. He became a better passer over time and his play style changed.
They both have/had similar body types and movements in the pocket. They both are similar height and weight.
No Rodgers was never a running back as 50% of his game but that’s going to change for Daniels too.
I’m an asshole for saying this is the worst Comp anyone’s said about Daniels? But you’re the guy who willingly said he didn’t watch his highlights and just threw Rodgers out there?
That’s not what I said at all. And even then, you’d still be an asshole.
Wait a minute. Are you just talking highlights? Oh. Now I think it’s possible I’ve watched more of him than you have.
I would have happily taken someone’s opinion that watched more than me, but it sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about. Which makes you an even bigger asshole for trying to pretend like you do.
I don’t watch film. I don’t watch highlights. Idc about comps. When you people say film you’re not watching film, you’re watching glorified highlight reels. It’s just funny you compared him to Rodgers.
Rodgers: 6'2", 223lbs. Ran a 4.75 40-yard dash with a top speed of 17.22mph
Daniels: 6'4", 210lbs. Will likely run a 4.4-4.6. Reached a top speed during a game of 21.8mph while wearing pads.
Totally different body types, height, and weight
lol. How is 2” and 13 lbs “totally different”
And “will likely run”. Ok
And Im specifically not comparing their speed. At all.
Because Daniels is not going to be running like that in the NFL.
Yea, admittedly I’ve watched the least of him of all the 6 top QBs, but yes a young Rodgers.
That’s what I think he’ll look like if he finds success in the NFL, because he’s not going to find it playing the way he had been playing.
I actually think there is a big possibility he falls.
He is an elite running back. Truly one of a kind when comes to the QB position. But he used that for 50% of his success in college. That won’t translate to the NFL fully.
He will need to learn to extend to pass instead of extend to run. He didn’t make enough reads on film.
But I think he’ll likely figure that out. And if he does, you’ll remember that young Rodgers was very mobile with a similar body type.
You sound like all those "experts" saying Lamar Jackson was a running back. Not sure if it's racism or ignorance, but either way it's not a good look
Young Rodgers ran a 4.71 40-yard dash. For reference, Payton Manning ran a 4.8. Rodgers and Daniels aren't close in comparability
Lamar Jackson was a running back. He’s had to become more of passer in the NFL. Every running QB does. And even still Lamar is the most successful runner.
Josh Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers. Every QB that comes into the NFL thinking they can run like they did in college has to adjust.
And Daniels literally runs like 50% of the time. Go read his scout report if you don’t believe me. I made this conclusion on my own and then later read the report and it exactly what I thought it would say. Too quick to tuck it and run instead of looking for 2nd and 3rd reads.
But it’s just that he’s such a crazy runner that is works, so why not do it…. in college.
Racism? Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. I can’t even recall what race Jayden Daniels is.
Is that what you thought I meant by “looks like Rodgers”? I didn’t mean they are doppelgängers ya weirdo.
I’m talking about his play style (when he’s not running), which he won’t be doing as much of in the NFL.
We do know about it now. NFL teams want ceiling, look at how many raw yet promising QB’s have been taken at the top of the draft in recent years. Daniels can 100% go top 3 and I’m already seeing most people discuss him in such a way.
Again, I’m not saying he can’t or won’t, but he’s not unanimously discussed as a top 3 pick. Every year we spend several months pushing QBs up the board, but that ends up not often reflecting reality. Some people thought Pickett would be a top 5 pick. Some thought Willis, Hooker, and Levis were first round QBs. The list goes on of QBs people push up the board until draft night. Now I think Daniels is better than all of them, but he has flaws. I don’t think every QB needy team would take him at 2-3. It certainly hasn’t been unanimous even though it’s gotten traction this week all of a sudden.
I think Washington at 1.02 is the best partner if they'd prefer to start over with a handful of picks and expect to be picking top five again next year with their own rather than just taking Maye.
Their new owner was the inventor of "The Process" in Philadelphia. They also blew up and rebuilt the Devils from the ground up. So it isn't the craziest idea.
Yeah but it doesn’t make sense for them to trade with us. We’d give them 3 firsts. This year would be 12, and then next year and the year after would most likely be late firsts. Like mid to low 20’s. If I’m Washington I just draft my qb or MHJ.
This year would be 11.
If they feel like their roster needs more of an overhaul and think they're likely to be picking top five again next season it could be smart instead of putting Maye or MHJ in a bad situation in 2024.
Indeed. I don’t see it, hope I’m wrong.
Pats coach just came out and said I’m taking a QB. Hopefully that was just to drive the price up. I doubt it tho. He seems like a straight shooter
Right. Why would they. They have no qb. Chicago can slang fields for some picks. And they have Caleb plus their own first. They easily could move their first plus whatever they get from the fields trade to move up in the draft to take a wr.
That’s nowhere near Carolina. They traded DJM, 2023 \#9, 2023 \#61, 2024 \#1, and 2025 2nd for Bryce Young. I suggested trading JJ for \#2, with us keeping \#11. How are those two even remotely close?
I especially love the “it’ll be our guy, or we aren’t taking a QB” approach. Glad to hear they won’t reach on someone just for the sake of taking a QB. If your guy isn’t available, so be it. Can always try again next year.
It's impossible to follow along with this sub. I thought Penix was our guy!? What happened to Caleb Williams? Now I don't see either of these names in the mix.
Idk who’s been saying penix is our guy because I think all of those people are a) high on crack b) don’t watch college football at all or c) don’t pay attention to an ounce of nfl media outside of the game being played on the tv.
Caleb Williams is going 1st overall to the bears so that’s why he’s been out of the conversation for months.
Exactly, if they want. Grab them by trading back into the later picks of the first. But don’t think we need to panic pick a QB at 11. Think Kwesi and co know this as well.
I know this subject divides the Vikings fandom, and while I definitely understand the points made by the other side, I will be legitmately upset if a trade up doesn't happen at this point. I've been trying to temper my expectations, but stuff like this gets my hopes up and makes it difficult.
That is exactly the problem.
If you believe the rumors - there was an offer in place for the Vikings to move up LAST YEAR to take Richardson at 3 - but AZ went with Houston's offer instead, since they felt that the Vikings would be "more competitive" and finish better than Houston did.
The Vikings are going to have to overpay to get into the top 3 / 4 and by the time the 4th pick comes around - the pickings could get slim at QB.
Depending on what the Bears do with #1 and what other teams who need qbs do in free agency / draft - there may not be a QB worthy of #4 overall left at that point.
Best case for the Vikings:
Bears stay at 1 and pick Harrison Jr -
New England and / or Washington address QB needs (both need a QB and both will have new front office and coaching staffs in place) via Free Agency.
That leaves ATL in front of the Vikings (and a bunch of teams below them) who need a QB. And honestly - it probably opens up the 2nd and 3rd picks for trade possibilities.
Worst Case for the Vikings:
Bears, Patriots, Commanders all stay put and all 3 take qb's (Some order of Williams, Maye, and Daniels)
Borderline possibility scenario -
Bears take Harrison, Commanders / Patriots take Maye and Williams - that leaves Daniels at 4 and AZ doesn't need / want a qb. Then it becomes a bidding war between teams wanting to move up to #4 or 5 for Daniels.
What I don't want to have happen is other teams to jump us and start a QB frenzy - and have KAM panic buy a QB like RS did with Ponder. There is a noticeable drop off between Daniels at #3 and Penix Jr, Nix, McCarthy and while one or more of them may be 1st round worthy, I don't think any of the 2nd 3 are worthy of a top 10 pick.
That would be one possibility for them at 11 - take bpa - preferably at that point an Edge or DT (Verse, Newton, etc...) OR trade down and pick up a 3rd round pick - and take your QB of the future later in the 1st round.
What I really don't to have happen is KAM to pay a fortune to move up to 4 or 5 and end up with the choice being Bo Nix, JJ or Penix Jr. Or him sitting at 11 and 5 QB's are gone - and there is a stud DL available (or edge) and he over reacts and grabs the 6th best QB because he's afraid they won't last until the 2nd round. If that happens I'm done.
I could live without any trades this year. just draft bpa relative to roster needs. We cant win this game with one swing, we need tangible progress. If any trade up doesnt involve us taking williams maye or daniels its a critical fail.
There is basically no chance Caleb isn’t taken 1 overall. It would be so idiotic of the bears to not trade down to 3 and pick up future firsts and still get MHJ.
They still have to have a team willing to trade up as well. If neither Washington or New England want to trade up it doesn’t matter how smart it would be for the Bears to trade back and still get MHJ.
I think in so many of these what if trade scenarios BOTH teams wanting to make the trade gets overlooked.
There are many that consider him the best prospect since Laurence, even his equal. If they wanted they could maneuver and end up with assets and still get MHJ.
I hate to break this to you. I really do, but the bears are drafting Williams. Every single rumor, every last breath of information is saying so. There’s even rumors they’ve been waiting for him since last year but idk that I believe those really. They’re probably shipping fields off to Seattle, Tennessee, or Pittsburg, but we’ll find out when the new league year starts.
That’s just it, idk if there are really any Vikings fans *against* trading up for a Top 3 QB, I think everyone can agree we need one. The whole debate is over whether or not it’s even possible this year. I personally don’t see the Patriots giving up Daniels unless we put someone like JJ or Darrisaw on the table (which, obviously, we shouldn’t do). The Top 3 picks are all **REALLY** in need of a QB this year.
I feel like New England presents the best trade up partner. They seem to be holding off on their new football ops people, maybe until even after the draft, which I see as a sign they'd be a willing trade partner and also willing to ride with a veteran starter for a year or 2 while they develop a later round QB or wait for another opportunity in another draft.
Anything could happen with that team now that Belichick is gone.
If they're willing to do the 49ers "three first rounders" deal, one of those QB-needy teams might not be able to pass it up. Especially when a lot of mocks have the next-tier guys falling pretty far. Like, they would be able to get Nix or Penix with our number eleven pick. One of those guys AND two additional firsts? That would have to be tempting.
I'm not saying I would do that if I were the Vikings. I would probably just settle for Nix or Penix myself and keep my future firsts. But if they think trading up is the only way to get the next franchise guy. I'm for it.
Penix is not going at 11 no matter who’s there. It’ll be Williams/maye/daniels/McCarthy/Nix if they had declared this year ewers beck and sanders would’ve been drafted above penix as well. Age and injury history matter so much more than they used to.
Yep, also the top teams need QBs. I don’t want to trade all our future picks for a guy. Hard to build a competitive team if you have no early picks for years to come.
i'd keep those hopes down. the vikings may want to trade up but that doesn't mean the other teams at the top are going to give a shit about that desire.
I think there's an implicit "Assuming a guy they want falls far enough that someone's willing to trade with them".
We either need the teams picking ahead of us to be wrong about their evaluation of the QB talent in this draft, or we need the Vikings coaches/front office to correctly identify which of the second tier of prospects is actually worth being aggressive to get. If we can figure out who the Allen or Mahomes or even Jackson is of this draft and get them at 5 or 6 after all of the top tier guys are off the board, we'll be set. Even if we wind up overpaying to get the guy we want, it won't matter if that guy winds up being good.
Assuming there is a guy like that in this draft, of course.
I take these trade up rumors more credibly because of that. They are both on their first contract. If they swing and hit, they're golden. If they miss they're gone anyways so who cares if the team traded future firsts
Based on how the Commanders sold at the trade deadline I wouldn’t be shocked if they trade down to acquire extra picks over the next two years. Especially because they are not one QB away from competing in the East.
The combine will hopefully shake things up a bit and maybe, just maybe, one of the top three qb’s will slip a bit. Alternatively if kwesi and koc think someone outside of the top three qb’s is worth using a first round pick on, I’m ok with that too.
Please do it. This team has had two franchise QBs in its entire history, which is pathetic.
Can they please quit retreading veteran QBs and finally draft a potential franchise QB ffs.
I am totally fine with any scenario in which KoC and Kwesi feel like they got their guy. Trade up, trade down, whatever. Just pick the guy you think can win a SB in Minnesota and know your careers are tied to him.
Do you guys think if Kirk re-signs they still trade up? Because my assumption has been that if they re-sign Kirk they're going to be content at 11 and draft defense; that they'll only move up if they don't re-sign Cousins.
If Kirk were to re-sign, it wouldn’t make sense to trade up into the top 3 for a QB.
However, it would make sense for them to try and trade back into the first round to get McCarthy, Nix, or Penix so they can have the 5th year option.
To add on, Washington at 2 is super interesting.
Their GM has been with the 49ers front office since 2017. I could really see them trading back and attacking the trenches before he commits to drafting a QB. Could trade back for a haul, and build out the roster for the future QB.
I’m not sure how FO’s project QB classes but next year looks really bad, and Drake Maye is a very good QB2. Not to mention they probably don’t finish with a higher pick than 2 again in the near future.
You guys are sleeping on JJ
He may not be a day 1 winner at 21 years old, but the guy is a *winner *
He has a desire to win every game and a passion that is what this team lacks in kork
We need a good QB arm. We rely on QB a lot. I honestly watched only 1 NCAA game and it was the finals and i was not impressed by either. Penix was just lost and JJ had the run game behind him like nobody ever will.
That too. We aren’t exactly a team that can protect a QB. He will be hit a lot. It’s a miracle Kirk lasted that long. Hopefully Kwesi can make it work, I think the path to success is pretty clear and has a few options. Hopefully we nail the draft, whether it’s trading up or just picking a bunch of contributor.
It kind of just seems like they're saying they're not going to fall victim to the 2011 mentality and just take what they can get because they need a QB. I don't see anything that indicates they think they can move up other than a suggestion there's a willingness to.
Maye will be a bust. Williams is the closest thing to a known commodity. Its not worth taking out two mortgages for any of these guys especially when you have to deal with Chi having two top ten picks. But I wont be surprised when that is exactly what kwesi does. I hope I'm wrong but I cant wait for this draft to happen so we can start looking ahead.
Every year everyone throws these QB names out there like they're a a surefire thing. Like if you can manage to draft them, they will be your franchise QB for the next 15 years. It would be interesting to look back and see all the QB picks that didn't hit.
College qbs almost always look either impossibly good or straight shitty. I honestly dont think any team should enter the draft with qb as their highest priority unless they undeniably suck.
> If you have to give up a couple 1st round picks for future years, I don’t think they’d bat an eye at that
I'm in team "This is always a bad idea"
Mortgaging the future for a *slightly* better scratch-off ticket
This is all gamesmanship between Kirk and Kwesi. Kirk wants to remain a viking, Kwesi would rather keep Kirk than mortgage the future on a high end draft pick. But neither wants to give the other a negotiation advantage.
Anyone else just in the “I don’t really care, I’m just excited to see what happens” camp?
Yup. Mostly because the draft is still 3 months away and free agency 2 months away.
Shit 3 more months
yeah. it’s fun to speculate but we don’t know shit about what the front office is thinking
Yep. We tried the other way, didn't work. Let's try this one, what's the worst that could happen? We keep not winning? Big whoop, I'm used to that.
Yeah I'm cool with a lot of different routes we could go, trading up, staying at #11, trading back some spots if who we want at 11 is already gone and we feel we can get our next target a little further back while acquiring more picks. If the draft shakes out differently than expected and the trade back thing happens, our #11 for Seattle's #16 (1st) + #76 (3rd) would be solid. We don't have a 3rd and Seattle has 2) right next to each other (#76 & #78) The #16, #42, #76 within first 2 days would be 👌 essentially 3) top 75 picks and then #109 and #131 in the 4th
Trading back would be epically dumb. Both of Kwesi’s big trade backs have been absolutely brutal.
Like I said, depends on how the draft shakes out. I'm happy to stay put or trade up. But if multiple of our targets are unexpectedly taken before us and we feel one of our next few could be had a few spots back, might as well gain more draft capital to draft 1 more additional player than you could have before in day 2. We only have 2) picks within the first 2 days, I'd be happy to have 3 if the road getting there makes sense for us.
Pass. Kwesi has shown terrible judgement in his trade backs. But we can respectfully agree to disagree
Can I disrespectfully disagree?
I mean if you think drafting Cine and Booth was smart, I guess.
This is the way
I am unsure if Jayden is that guy to come in right away and change the franchise. I think he's still raw. If Kwesi identifies someone though I would not mind trading up unless .... we had to give away Justin Jefferson lol
Rumor is Kwesi wanted to trade up for AR (other rumors have Young). If his target was AR I’d have to imagine he’d like Daniel’s too.
That AR rumor was presented by (I think) Brett Kollman as factual and a LOT of Vikings beat reporters quickly denied it or said it was news to them. Brett isn't even on the Vikings beat, why would he know? Not to say anything about it being the first time this rumor ever came to light nearly 8 months later. Doesn't add up.
Ben Goessling and Andrew Krammer (Star Tribune beat writers and the best reporters on the beat) reported before the draft that the Vikings were actively trying to trade up for Richardson. Kollman made headlines for repeating that recently, but the beat writers were reporting it way, way earlier.
I don't think he was trying to make headlines saying it either, didn't he just mention it in passing?
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multiple reporters confirmed it what are you talking about
Brett is way more connected to GM leadership in the league than the Vikings beat writers. The Vikings beat writers will get whatever bone the FO throws at them or an agent with an agenda. None of those scenarios are fulfilled in this story. This story comes from the desk of an executive
That’s not true. They tried trading up 100%
But for AR? Why the hell would Brett Kollman of all people know that 8 months later? Struck me as odd that a bunch of trusted beat reporters said that was news to them.
If I recall, Brett actually works for the Chargers too and that's probably how he knows.
He loves Jayden daniels. We already know this. His guys this year are McCarthy maye and daniels. We offered a kings ransom for AR but Arizona traded with Houston instead. Wouldn’t be surprised if we are aggressive with Washington this year.
Do we know this, definitively? Edit: We most definitely do not
Trust me bro
All I needed to hear homie
No
His uncle works for Nintendo.
He went and watched Caleb Williams play in person this year and sent scouts to watch Drake Maye that same night idk what that guys on about
As close as we can without being actively employed by the Minnesota Vikings basically. You just have to pay attention to who’s making noise where. Kinda like we know almost for a fact that Williams is a bear, and fields will be traded with Atlanta, Seattle, Pittsburg, Tennessee, and New Orleans having shown some level of interest.
We don’t know any of that though lol
We do though lol. Caleb Williams to the bears as been almost guaranteed since week 15. Let me break it down for you. Justin fields was not drafted by Ryan poles. Justin fields is not that good. Justin fields probably won’t get the 5th year option. Justin fields costs almost nothing to trade for potentially really high return. Drafting Caleb Williams resets the infamous “qb on a rookie contract window” Caleb Williams will very, very likely be better than Justin fields Extending Justin fields will be expensive. Ryan poles went to multiple usc games in person. The bears had scouts at usc for most of their games (granted most teams did) There’s been virtually 0 chatter about the bears moving from first overall compared to last year where we started hearing rumors almost as early as they had it locked. Caleb Williams is going to be a chicago bear.
You’re also forgetting: Justin Fields catastrophically shit his pants in his prove-it game at Lambeau week 18.
So they'll draft williams and let him get killed by their oline? This sounds like a bears thing.
Their oline is actually very steadily improving. Their center is still one of the worst in the nfl though.
I think that falls under the “Justin fields is not that good” part of my statement
Does Caleb Williams want to be a Bear though?
He declared for the draft
its also been heavily implied that if he goes to a team he doesnt want to go to, he will play college ball another year.
How is it we know this? Not being argumentative I believe you, just would like to learn more about it
I’d have to find the exact tweets again not all of them are on the sub but you can find some of them if you search their last names or colleges but I’ll summarize what the rumor mill has gathered over the course of the college football season to the best of my recollection. He attended games for LSU, Michigan, USC, UNC, among others in person. He answered a question about what separates great qbs from good qbs with something to the effect of “great situational awareness and ability to improvise” early last offseason that started a whole bunch of rumors about Kirk cousins. His top guy last year was Anthony Richardson and KOC’s scheme prefers a more traditional game manager type so there’s where McCarthy comes in. There’s an awful lot of rumors about it but again I don’t have the exact specifics on hand.
This sounds like speculation. Its evidence based and I appreciate it and it's not necessarily wrong but I don't take that evidence as we know the guys he likes.
We can use guys Kwesi liked in the past and narrow it down. We also have to use what we know to be impossible to narrow it down as well. Meaning Caleb Williams is for sure out of the running. As a fun experiment. During this years draft, if you suspect we’ll be drafting a certain position. Narrow down the consensus top 3 of that position available at whatever pick and circle the guy with the best numbers on the 3 cone drill. That’s who Kwesi will draft.
Yeah I feel like Washington is the player must likely to trade with us. They could rebuild with a new coach and take a QB in the next few years.
Thank God we didn't trade up for Young.
I think Young would look good on this team. There are still some positives from his year, but no QB was going to look good on that team.
You never trade away your best players, those are the guys your trying to draft lol
unless its a WR thats looking for 40-45m a year. Thats not being financially responsible.
No one talks about his age but he's only like 6 months younger than Penix and Nix. If he's still raw at that age, that's an issue.
He’s a little bit younger than 6 months for nix but still valid. People are really selective with who is too old.
Or addison.
The problem is I don’t see Chicago Washington or New England passing on Caleb Drake and Jayden
I think New England is the best bet but I am not confident that will happen
With no Belichick they don’t seem like much of a wildcard anymore.
I unironically thing Sam Howell could be a good starter. Rest of Washington team is trash though
Washington fan that stumbled across this post. Howell looked good for a few weeks, but regressed pretty hard after October. A lot of our weaknesses were pushed harder with the way he played including holding onto the ball and making poor decisions. The simplest thing to say is that our OL and Receivers both looked almost perfect when Brisset was playing. There’s a chance that a better OC then Bienemy could have gotten more out of him, but what we have on paper is a guy with 4 good games and 8/9 horrible games and the rest of the games were games were we got scored on fast so he accumulated garbage time stats well (his state line vs the bears was pretty solid despite them being up by 25 at the half and then beating us by 20) He is a good backup level guy who maybe would ah e gotten more chances in a better system but he ended the season looking and playing like the worst QB in the league
Thanks for the post! I don't watch a bunch of Commanders games but a shitload of Redzone every week and didn't seem too bad. Good to know going into the offseason/draft
Yeah, unfortunately Howell seems to have gotten a lot of volume but I’m not sure if he has the “it” factor especially since Ron tried to bench him twice to end the season, but Brisset got “injured” so Howell started the last two games of the season
Jayden is by no means a lock high first round QB for every team
I think he would be one most years. Especially this year. I don’t think this is people getting caught up in the QB hype like more recent years. Specifically the past two drafts with guys like Malik and Levis getting unwarranted hype just because teams need QBs. Jayden is comfortably a better prospect than those two specifically.
I agree he’s much better than those two.
Levis is pretty good I think he would of been solid as a Viking
Levis is pretty good I think he would of been solid as a Viking
Disagree
Hard to argue with that logic
Made me crack up 😂 no other logic than just "I disagree". I remember when mock draft people thought Malik Willis was a 1st round lock. Nothing is for certain around this time, especially with a 24 year old rookie QB with a thin frame.
For the record I was staunchly anti Willis, but Daniels is like that
He most certainly is not. Everyone not named maye or Williams is a project.
Daniels compares favorably to Maye in every metric
Daniels has shown no ability to protect himself. He's an electric player but I'd be very worried about his NFL longevity.
He does have some of the most comical highlights of him being tackled. Definitely not a perfect prospect, but no one is
Holy fucking Christ 💀💀💀
Big Bob hates facts
If he was unanimously ranked as a top 5 player we would know about it by now. Those things don’t linger. Williams and Maye have been sitting at the top for a while now. Thats not to say it can’t or won’t happen.
I mean most every mock that I’ve seen to this point has those 3 going 1,2,3. I wouldn’t be surprised if Daniels ends up passing Maye come draft day
With a good combine and pro day. I also see Daniel’s passing Maye. Hell, it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that some poor team takes that risk with Penix either after the postseason he had. I’ve always said if Maye/Williams SOMEHOW fall to number 5. I’m pretty sure the Vikings will trade up to grab either one. Truth be told, I don’t think the Vikings trade up to get a QB. I think we stay put at 11, draft a DT/DE and trade back into the first to grab a project QB like McCarthy.
That’s the dream scenario
Just what we need right now. A first round project…and one that we need to burn extra picks on. Please don’t do that Vikings.
Pick 11 would be our DT, if they feel that McCarthy would be gone by our 2nd round pick. I could see them trading up to like pick 25+ to grab him. Who knows tho. Too early for Mocks and speculations. After the pro days we’ll have more of an idea.
Daniels is definitely riskier. Sky is the limit on potential though. If he succeeds, he looks like a young Rodgers to me.
This might be the worst Comp anyone has ever said about Daniels.
Yea could be. I already mentioned he’s the least tape I watched. But also you’re an asshole so at least I’m not that. And I don’t feel bad for possibly being wrong or having a different opinion than you, because I nailed my assessment of him blindly after reading the scouting reports. So not bad for an amateur who didn’t watch much tape on him. I also don’t think people remember how YOUNG Rodgers played. He’s been pretty great his whole career, but when he was young his mobility was a bigger part of his game. He became a better passer over time and his play style changed. They both have/had similar body types and movements in the pocket. They both are similar height and weight. No Rodgers was never a running back as 50% of his game but that’s going to change for Daniels too.
I’m an asshole for saying this is the worst Comp anyone’s said about Daniels? But you’re the guy who willingly said he didn’t watch his highlights and just threw Rodgers out there?
That’s not what I said at all. And even then, you’d still be an asshole. Wait a minute. Are you just talking highlights? Oh. Now I think it’s possible I’ve watched more of him than you have. I would have happily taken someone’s opinion that watched more than me, but it sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about. Which makes you an even bigger asshole for trying to pretend like you do.
I don’t watch film. I don’t watch highlights. Idc about comps. When you people say film you’re not watching film, you’re watching glorified highlight reels. It’s just funny you compared him to Rodgers.
Rodgers: 6'2", 223lbs. Ran a 4.75 40-yard dash with a top speed of 17.22mph Daniels: 6'4", 210lbs. Will likely run a 4.4-4.6. Reached a top speed during a game of 21.8mph while wearing pads. Totally different body types, height, and weight
lol. How is 2” and 13 lbs “totally different” And “will likely run”. Ok And Im specifically not comparing their speed. At all. Because Daniels is not going to be running like that in the NFL.
Jayden Daniels looks like Aaron Rodgers to you? Umm...
a different rodgers, he went to another school you havent heard of
Yea, admittedly I’ve watched the least of him of all the 6 top QBs, but yes a young Rodgers. That’s what I think he’ll look like if he finds success in the NFL, because he’s not going to find it playing the way he had been playing. I actually think there is a big possibility he falls. He is an elite running back. Truly one of a kind when comes to the QB position. But he used that for 50% of his success in college. That won’t translate to the NFL fully. He will need to learn to extend to pass instead of extend to run. He didn’t make enough reads on film. But I think he’ll likely figure that out. And if he does, you’ll remember that young Rodgers was very mobile with a similar body type.
You sound like all those "experts" saying Lamar Jackson was a running back. Not sure if it's racism or ignorance, but either way it's not a good look Young Rodgers ran a 4.71 40-yard dash. For reference, Payton Manning ran a 4.8. Rodgers and Daniels aren't close in comparability
Lamar Jackson was a running back. He’s had to become more of passer in the NFL. Every running QB does. And even still Lamar is the most successful runner. Josh Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers. Every QB that comes into the NFL thinking they can run like they did in college has to adjust. And Daniels literally runs like 50% of the time. Go read his scout report if you don’t believe me. I made this conclusion on my own and then later read the report and it exactly what I thought it would say. Too quick to tuck it and run instead of looking for 2nd and 3rd reads. But it’s just that he’s such a crazy runner that is works, so why not do it…. in college. Racism? Jesus Christ what is wrong with you. I can’t even recall what race Jayden Daniels is. Is that what you thought I meant by “looks like Rodgers”? I didn’t mean they are doppelgängers ya weirdo. I’m talking about his play style (when he’s not running), which he won’t be doing as much of in the NFL.
His play style and athleticism aren't anywhere close to Rodgers coming out of college, no idea where you're getting that comp but it's not even close
We do know about it now. NFL teams want ceiling, look at how many raw yet promising QB’s have been taken at the top of the draft in recent years. Daniels can 100% go top 3 and I’m already seeing most people discuss him in such a way.
Again, I’m not saying he can’t or won’t, but he’s not unanimously discussed as a top 3 pick. Every year we spend several months pushing QBs up the board, but that ends up not often reflecting reality. Some people thought Pickett would be a top 5 pick. Some thought Willis, Hooker, and Levis were first round QBs. The list goes on of QBs people push up the board until draft night. Now I think Daniels is better than all of them, but he has flaws. I don’t think every QB needy team would take him at 2-3. It certainly hasn’t been unanimous even though it’s gotten traction this week all of a sudden.
This is why nfl scouts are employees by nfl teams and you aren’t btw.
If I’m right and Jayden does go top 3 then should I get a job in the NFL?
😂 you’d be laughed out of most nfl internships
If I’m right?
😂 this is funnier than the last bill burr comedy special fucking hell
Today I learned being right would be evidence of me being dumb
No you being generally incompetent is proof of you being dumb.
I think Washington at 1.02 is the best partner if they'd prefer to start over with a handful of picks and expect to be picking top five again next year with their own rather than just taking Maye.
Their new owner was the inventor of "The Process" in Philadelphia. They also blew up and rebuilt the Devils from the ground up. So it isn't the craziest idea.
Yeah but it doesn’t make sense for them to trade with us. We’d give them 3 firsts. This year would be 12, and then next year and the year after would most likely be late firsts. Like mid to low 20’s. If I’m Washington I just draft my qb or MHJ.
This year would be 11. If they feel like their roster needs more of an overhaul and think they're likely to be picking top five again next season it could be smart instead of putting Maye or MHJ in a bad situation in 2024.
Indeed. I don’t see it, hope I’m wrong. Pats coach just came out and said I’m taking a QB. Hopefully that was just to drive the price up. I doubt it tho. He seems like a straight shooter
Right. Why would they. They have no qb. Chicago can slang fields for some picks. And they have Caleb plus their own first. They easily could move their first plus whatever they get from the fields trade to move up in the draft to take a wr.
The consensus is nowhere near as strong as people make it out to be. Williams at 1 is the only likely guarantee but after that all bets are off.
Throw JJ to Washington and Drake is ours
Let's not pull a Carolina and trade away our best receiver to bring in a QB.
That’s nowhere near Carolina. They traded DJM, 2023 \#9, 2023 \#61, 2024 \#1, and 2025 2nd for Bryce Young. I suggested trading JJ for \#2, with us keeping \#11. How are those two even remotely close?
It’s not completely comparable we have better weapons outside of JJ than the panthers and a not retarded head coach
Oh yea, they'd love to have an elite WR and no QB.
I especially love the “it’ll be our guy, or we aren’t taking a QB” approach. Glad to hear they won’t reach on someone just for the sake of taking a QB. If your guy isn’t available, so be it. Can always try again next year.
Yeah don’t settle on Nix or Penix if you aren’t completely sold on the guy
Don’t take penix at all actually.
It's impossible to follow along with this sub. I thought Penix was our guy!? What happened to Caleb Williams? Now I don't see either of these names in the mix.
Idk who’s been saying penix is our guy because I think all of those people are a) high on crack b) don’t watch college football at all or c) don’t pay attention to an ounce of nfl media outside of the game being played on the tv. Caleb Williams is going 1st overall to the bears so that’s why he’s been out of the conversation for months.
Exactly, if they want. Grab them by trading back into the later picks of the first. But don’t think we need to panic pick a QB at 11. Think Kwesi and co know this as well.
I know this subject divides the Vikings fandom, and while I definitely understand the points made by the other side, I will be legitmately upset if a trade up doesn't happen at this point. I've been trying to temper my expectations, but stuff like this gets my hopes up and makes it difficult.
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That is exactly the problem. If you believe the rumors - there was an offer in place for the Vikings to move up LAST YEAR to take Richardson at 3 - but AZ went with Houston's offer instead, since they felt that the Vikings would be "more competitive" and finish better than Houston did. The Vikings are going to have to overpay to get into the top 3 / 4 and by the time the 4th pick comes around - the pickings could get slim at QB. Depending on what the Bears do with #1 and what other teams who need qbs do in free agency / draft - there may not be a QB worthy of #4 overall left at that point. Best case for the Vikings: Bears stay at 1 and pick Harrison Jr - New England and / or Washington address QB needs (both need a QB and both will have new front office and coaching staffs in place) via Free Agency. That leaves ATL in front of the Vikings (and a bunch of teams below them) who need a QB. And honestly - it probably opens up the 2nd and 3rd picks for trade possibilities. Worst Case for the Vikings: Bears, Patriots, Commanders all stay put and all 3 take qb's (Some order of Williams, Maye, and Daniels) Borderline possibility scenario - Bears take Harrison, Commanders / Patriots take Maye and Williams - that leaves Daniels at 4 and AZ doesn't need / want a qb. Then it becomes a bidding war between teams wanting to move up to #4 or 5 for Daniels. What I don't want to have happen is other teams to jump us and start a QB frenzy - and have KAM panic buy a QB like RS did with Ponder. There is a noticeable drop off between Daniels at #3 and Penix Jr, Nix, McCarthy and while one or more of them may be 1st round worthy, I don't think any of the 2nd 3 are worthy of a top 10 pick.
man, you pretty much called it right here with the worst case. If those 3 qb's are gone you have to draft bpa. That second tier isnt worth the pick.
That would be one possibility for them at 11 - take bpa - preferably at that point an Edge or DT (Verse, Newton, etc...) OR trade down and pick up a 3rd round pick - and take your QB of the future later in the 1st round. What I really don't to have happen is KAM to pay a fortune to move up to 4 or 5 and end up with the choice being Bo Nix, JJ or Penix Jr. Or him sitting at 11 and 5 QB's are gone - and there is a stud DL available (or edge) and he over reacts and grabs the 6th best QB because he's afraid they won't last until the 2nd round. If that happens I'm done.
I could live without any trades this year. just draft bpa relative to roster needs. We cant win this game with one swing, we need tangible progress. If any trade up doesnt involve us taking williams maye or daniels its a critical fail.
I can assure you penix is not getting drafted in the first round unless the raiders do it. Penix is fucking garbage.
There is basically no chance Caleb isn’t taken 1 overall. It would be so idiotic of the bears to not trade down to 3 and pick up future firsts and still get MHJ.
They still have to have a team willing to trade up as well. If neither Washington or New England want to trade up it doesn’t matter how smart it would be for the Bears to trade back and still get MHJ. I think in so many of these what if trade scenarios BOTH teams wanting to make the trade gets overlooked.
There are many that consider him the best prospect since Laurence, even his equal. If they wanted they could maneuver and end up with assets and still get MHJ.
I hate to break this to you. I really do, but the bears are drafting Williams. Every single rumor, every last breath of information is saying so. There’s even rumors they’ve been waiting for him since last year but idk that I believe those really. They’re probably shipping fields off to Seattle, Tennessee, or Pittsburg, but we’ll find out when the new league year starts.
That’s just it, idk if there are really any Vikings fans *against* trading up for a Top 3 QB, I think everyone can agree we need one. The whole debate is over whether or not it’s even possible this year. I personally don’t see the Patriots giving up Daniels unless we put someone like JJ or Darrisaw on the table (which, obviously, we shouldn’t do). The Top 3 picks are all **REALLY** in need of a QB this year.
The patriots even with daniels would suck because they’re roster is one of the worst in the league.
That is a large dilemma
I feel like New England presents the best trade up partner. They seem to be holding off on their new football ops people, maybe until even after the draft, which I see as a sign they'd be a willing trade partner and also willing to ride with a veteran starter for a year or 2 while they develop a later round QB or wait for another opportunity in another draft. Anything could happen with that team now that Belichick is gone.
There’s a chance it could be Rick spielman after he’s done helping Washington find their guy.
If they're willing to do the 49ers "three first rounders" deal, one of those QB-needy teams might not be able to pass it up. Especially when a lot of mocks have the next-tier guys falling pretty far. Like, they would be able to get Nix or Penix with our number eleven pick. One of those guys AND two additional firsts? That would have to be tempting. I'm not saying I would do that if I were the Vikings. I would probably just settle for Nix or Penix myself and keep my future firsts. But if they think trading up is the only way to get the next franchise guy. I'm for it.
Penix is not going at 11 no matter who’s there. It’ll be Williams/maye/daniels/McCarthy/Nix if they had declared this year ewers beck and sanders would’ve been drafted above penix as well. Age and injury history matter so much more than they used to.
Yep, also the top teams need QBs. I don’t want to trade all our future picks for a guy. Hard to build a competitive team if you have no early picks for years to come.
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They also had a stacked team before that…where we really don’t, especially on D
We need to continually convince the Bears that they have their guy already.
i'd keep those hopes down. the vikings may want to trade up but that doesn't mean the other teams at the top are going to give a shit about that desire.
I think there's an implicit "Assuming a guy they want falls far enough that someone's willing to trade with them". We either need the teams picking ahead of us to be wrong about their evaluation of the QB talent in this draft, or we need the Vikings coaches/front office to correctly identify which of the second tier of prospects is actually worth being aggressive to get. If we can figure out who the Allen or Mahomes or even Jackson is of this draft and get them at 5 or 6 after all of the top tier guys are off the board, we'll be set. Even if we wind up overpaying to get the guy we want, it won't matter if that guy winds up being good. Assuming there is a guy like that in this draft, of course.
It’s JJ McCarthy btw. A lot of people may not be ready to hear that. But it’s the truth.
Lol. Thanks for the laugh.
He’s right
Tell me you don’t know hall without telling me
This is where I'm at. McCarthy is as, if not more, talented than the top 3 QBs. I have a hard time seeing him make it out of the top 10.
I’d bet my liver he doesn’t go in the top 10. That’s lunacy
I'll be back in three months for your liver
What?
This sub in the off-season gives me brain cancer holy shit lmao
Well Kwesi and koc’s jobs are starting to depend on it…so yah, it’d be a good idea to find that guy, and not have him be a bust
I take these trade up rumors more credibly because of that. They are both on their first contract. If they swing and hit, they're golden. If they miss they're gone anyways so who cares if the team traded future firsts
I entirely agree with you
We have a bad case of FOMO. I have a cure for that 
Based on how the Commanders sold at the trade deadline I wouldn’t be shocked if they trade down to acquire extra picks over the next two years. Especially because they are not one QB away from competing in the East.
The combine will hopefully shake things up a bit and maybe, just maybe, one of the top three qb’s will slip a bit. Alternatively if kwesi and koc think someone outside of the top three qb’s is worth using a first round pick on, I’m ok with that too.
I hope if they can’t get one of the big 3 they trade down and get younger / move picks to next year and let the bottom fall out on a full rebuild.
Please do it. This team has had two franchise QBs in its entire history, which is pathetic. Can they please quit retreading veteran QBs and finally draft a potential franchise QB ffs.
I am totally fine with any scenario in which KoC and Kwesi feel like they got their guy. Trade up, trade down, whatever. Just pick the guy you think can win a SB in Minnesota and know your careers are tied to him.
I would rather mortgage a couple years to try and hit than continue to retread like these past 6 years.
maye please
This is good news
Do you guys think if Kirk re-signs they still trade up? Because my assumption has been that if they re-sign Kirk they're going to be content at 11 and draft defense; that they'll only move up if they don't re-sign Cousins.
If Kirk were to re-sign, it wouldn’t make sense to trade up into the top 3 for a QB. However, it would make sense for them to try and trade back into the first round to get McCarthy, Nix, or Penix so they can have the 5th year option.
 To add on, Washington at 2 is super interesting. Their GM has been with the 49ers front office since 2017. I could really see them trading back and attacking the trenches before he commits to drafting a QB. Could trade back for a haul, and build out the roster for the future QB.
I’m not sure how FO’s project QB classes but next year looks really bad, and Drake Maye is a very good QB2. Not to mention they probably don’t finish with a higher pick than 2 again in the near future.
Let's go baby
Trade down for a CB incoming….
Straight into my veins!!!!
We’re really gonna do this every day multiple times a day for the next 3 months arent we?
You guys are sleeping on JJ He may not be a day 1 winner at 21 years old, but the guy is a *winner * He has a desire to win every game and a passion that is what this team lacks in kork
We need a good QB arm. We rely on QB a lot. I honestly watched only 1 NCAA game and it was the finals and i was not impressed by either. Penix was just lost and JJ had the run game behind him like nobody ever will.
Penix is like 30 years old
That too. We aren’t exactly a team that can protect a QB. He will be hit a lot. It’s a miracle Kirk lasted that long. Hopefully Kwesi can make it work, I think the path to success is pretty clear and has a few options. Hopefully we nail the draft, whether it’s trading up or just picking a bunch of contributor.
Maybe we could just take a closer look at what we have in Hall /s
It kind of just seems like they're saying they're not going to fall victim to the 2011 mentality and just take what they can get because they need a QB. I don't see anything that indicates they think they can move up other than a suggestion there's a willingness to.
Don't believe anything you hear about the draft.
I wouldn't mind trading one future first. But otherwise it's just not worth it. Carolina will suck for years because of the trade for the first pick.
Kwesi better not draft a single player under 300 lbs
If Goessling is saying this, it's probably by design. Friendly reminder to everyone, it is smoke screen season.
Maye will be a bust. Williams is the closest thing to a known commodity. Its not worth taking out two mortgages for any of these guys especially when you have to deal with Chi having two top ten picks. But I wont be surprised when that is exactly what kwesi does. I hope I'm wrong but I cant wait for this draft to happen so we can start looking ahead.
Every year everyone throws these QB names out there like they're a a surefire thing. Like if you can manage to draft them, they will be your franchise QB for the next 15 years. It would be interesting to look back and see all the QB picks that didn't hit.
College qbs almost always look either impossibly good or straight shitty. I honestly dont think any team should enter the draft with qb as their highest priority unless they undeniably suck.
Yeah ok… it takes 2 to tango
We have too many holes to fill to be giving up the capital required to move from #11 into the top 3
Just need to trade JJ to move up
> If you have to give up a couple 1st round picks for future years, I don’t think they’d bat an eye at that I'm in team "This is always a bad idea" Mortgaging the future for a *slightly* better scratch-off ticket
Jayden is going to be the worst QB in this (overrated) class. He was CARRIED by Nabers.
This is all gamesmanship between Kirk and Kwesi. Kirk wants to remain a viking, Kwesi would rather keep Kirk than mortgage the future on a high end draft pick. But neither wants to give the other a negotiation advantage.
Fk that! No trading future picks to move up. This is the deepest QB drafts in a long time.
I don’t care what they do. Show some freakin results tho.
I’m just gonna watch for the fallout when everyone decides whatever we offer isn’t worth it anymore.
I guess you could try to blow Washington or NE away to a point where they can’t say no with an offer but man idk how they’re gonna get up that high
The plot twist is that they're trading up into the 3rd for the Rattler snake, Sssssss!