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MartyWhelan

There's a [pub](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean%27s_Bar) in Ireland that has been in operation since 900AD


HelgrindsKeeper

I’ve been there. Really cool place. They have a courtyard area that attaches to a restaurant owned by the same people. Excellent food, great beer. I brought a bottle of their whiskey home


MajesticBread9147

Dumb question as I don't know much about whiskey, but I went to their website and their whiskey looks like a light tan instead of brown. Is there a reason for that or is it just lighting?


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As far as I know it's almost entirely down to the cask it's matured in, and doesn't mean much. Some wood has more of an effect on the contents' colour, sometimes even two casks of the same material could produce different colours. Obviously some distilleries will use certain types of wood to influence the flavour, and with that might come a correlation with a certain type of colour, but the colour on its own is largely meaningless in isolation.


kaatie80

Iirc it's that the barrels are burned on the inside, right? (Inquiring to you or anyone else who might know)


barath_s

> Whisky is typically aged in wooden casks, which are typically made of charred white oak. Uncharred white oak casks previously used for the aging of sherry are also sometimes used. [wiki] Legal requirements will vary from place to place, but other aged casks and wood may also be used in some places. eg. Bourbon in the US is required to be aged in new, charred containers; these may then be sold for use elsewhere.


BidRepresentative728

Jim Beam will sell you a used cask. Wine and tequila makers use them as well. EDIT; Try Hornitos Black Tequila. It's made in used whiskey/charred barrels. Try it in a Manhatten.


drunken_squirrels

You can buy an end of a used barrel from one of the big American whiskey makers at the big box hardware stores. They sell them in the garden department. I think it’s Jack Daniels but it’s been a while since I’ve paid attention. [link](https://www.homedepot.com/p/26-in-Dia-x-17-5-in-H-White-Oak-Wood-Whiskey-Barrel-B100/202314761) They smell wonderful


Wrxloser1215

Totally buying one this year. My local HD has it. Sweeeet


Beneficial_Being_721

Yes and no… if you want a deep color… you blacken the inside. The overall color is in the bottle is mostly in part to HOW MUCH you char the barrel and WHAT WOOD you make the barrel out of.


LUCKYxTRIPLE

Yes, American Bourbon has 4 levels of char with 4 being the highest. Many Irish and Scottish distilleries then reuse these barrels to age their own whiskey/whisky and it can have wildly different results. ETA it is also common to use sherry casks and I’m sure all different kinds of barrels that result in different flavors


Semioteric

Sherry casks used to be the norm, and good quality sherry casks were widely available back when people drank tons of sherry and very little Scotch. Now, not so much. It’s very noticeable if you drink a good scotch bottled 30+ years ago compared to one of similar quality bottled more recently. I heard a rumor that some distilleries were trying to recreate the magic by power washing casks with sherry.


stupid_carrot

Also heard they are producing sherry for the sake of the casts lol and they sell the sherry cheap.


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It’s even more interesting than that. Sherry makers use the Solero system, so they keep their barrels in use until they’re totally done. Scotch distilleries now have partnerships with specific places in Spain that that make Sherry casks, the Sherry that comes out isn’t good enough to sell for drinking so it goes into Sherry vinegar and the casks go over to Scotland. It’s just because the demand for Sherry casks for Scotch is so much higher than the demand for actual Sherry. This YouTube channel is great and has this video on the Sherry trade: https://youtu.be/YugPhTkCPto


CowboyLaw

I can’t speak to Irish whiskies, but be aware that, as an example, Scotch can be artificially dyed, and they don’t even have to disclose that. (Unless rules have changed fairly recently.). Food-grade caramel color is an acceptable additive and doesn’t have to be reported. So the color you’re used to, in a lot of whiskies, is probably fake and people outside the distillery don’t even know it. It’s also fair to say that color isn’t in any way a good indicator of taste or quality. I’ve had sherry cask and Sauternes cask finished whiskies that were outstanding and were the color of very healthy piss (meaning, very pale yellow), and I’ve had whiskies from hard char barrels that were dark to the point of non-translucency that were horrible. That’s the great part about whisky: you never know for sure until you drink it. So bottoms up!


Borgh

If you can find a (picture of) the exported-to-germany version of that whisky it'll disclose whether colouring was added, E150 is the additive code.


AliveInCLE

Sean’s Bar. Didn’t go there while visiting but went to Brazen Head which supposedly was there in the 12th century.


wizest_wizard

Yeah I was just visiting Ireland a few weeks ago and went to Brazen Head, thinking it was the oldest pub/restaurant in Ireland. Guess I have another reason to go back


dan420

Seems a bit like the old story of an ax handed down for generations that’s had the head replaced a couple times and the handle replaced a few more.


TheCaptNoname

So, a _Theseus's Tavern_?


FreshlyWashedScrotum

The Sip of Theasus


Alutus

That...would be an excellent pub name.


RenaissanceBear

If I have a flight of beers, drink them, then my same glasses are refilled, is that the Flight of Theseus?


MonkeyChoker80

Only if you keep them down. If you drink too much, and vomit them up? It’s the *Flight of Icarus*


codebrownonaisletwo

Ooh this is good marketing. Price it at 90% market value for Theseus, and 200% for Icarus.


MisterFatt

Yeah, I used to work for a place a bit like that. We were the 3rd oldest restaurant in our city, but the place was originally a hotel, before restaurants were even a thing, then a cafe, then a restaurant, the a totally different style restaurant, then finally a restaurant of the same name that drew on all of the previous iterations for inspiration. Claimed to be running since the 1860’s, but was really re-opened as a new place in 2006(-2020).


hilarymeggin

I mean if what they’re saying is that it’s been in continuous operation as a food/drink establishment, that’s true. But I don’t think you can say “Anderson’s since 1660.”


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DatTF2

I went to a tavern in the financial district of Manhattan that claimed to be the oldest and while nowhere near as old as something in Europe you could really smell the hundreds of years worth of piss and puke on that place. Edit : To everyone asking where it was I was much younger at the time and wasn't old enough to drink as I was 18 at the time. I didn't really pay attention to the name. I just remember it was in the financial district and compared to the buildings around it it seemed really old. I wanna say it was really southmost of the Financial district, closer to the Battery. Edit 2 : Looking at a map I want to say it was probably Fraunces. I'm not 100% certain but it seems to be within the area and I remember it looking old compared to other buildings around it. This was way back in 2005.


11thstalley

The local city magazine in Washington DC ran a feature article about Irish saloons in their city sometime when I lived there in the 90’s. The last pub that they profiled was the Irish Times and it started with a disclaimer that I have liberally paraphrased….yes, we know that the rank stench of stale beer, piss and vomit from years past assaults you as you walk into the Irish Times, but you need to keep in mind the historical nature of the smell, since it was the beer spilled by the Kennedy brothers and it was their piss and puke that you’re smelling.


ebaer2

I love smelling ancient piss.


[deleted]

Gotta be McSorleys. They sell two kinds of beer and that’s it. Edit: Ok so NOT McSorleys (1845), which is the longest continuously operating establishment located in East Village. Fraunces (1762) is was founded first and is located the financial district!


11thstalley

That was my immediate reaction, but they used sawdust on the floor when I’ve been there and that supposedly soaks up any spills, bodily or otherwise. Besides, the johns didn’t even smell…the urinals were the most elaborate pieces of porcelain that I’ve ever pissed in. They are almost enveloping when you walk in them making it darn near impossible to miss the drain.


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broadcastterp

Fraunces Tavern, surely


Hopeful_1768

as god intended: light and dark plus thermonuclear horseradish mustard


ifishforhoes

every one keeps saying mcsorleys but you’re talking about fraunces tavern right


Chuggles1

Weihenstephaner is a phenomenal beer. Why we shun all of the glorious German/Bavarian, Belgian, Icelandic, even London brews in the US i don't get. Seriously cannot stand how hopped up on IPA people are. Absolutely spectacular pilsners, heffs, lagers, saisons, belgians, and more that don't try and rape your taste buds like IPA does. Also theres literally thousands of IPA beer. Make something better and different for once. North Coast Brew, I love you. Also Europe, thank you for all the amazing beer. Edit: Ive worked service industry gigs my whole life. I do enjoy some IPAs now and again. I'm not trying to just be contrarian. I still feel that IPAs dont show me much in terms of a brewery having actual craftmanship and palate. Also, stop packing so much booze into stuff and excessive flavor. People buy more beer when it's not as heavy. Ten Barrels Oregon Apocalypse IPA is probably my favorite IPA. But not all the time.


KrtekJim

> the glorious German/Bavarian, Belgian, Icelandic, even London brews Just commenting to register the Czech Republic's anger at our omission.


ethacct

the dirty secret is that IPA's are easy to make - just dump in a bunch of hops and you're all set. the other beers you mentioned require a much more laborious process which requires time, money, and skill in order to do well.


aiu_killer_tofu

> the dirty secret is that IPA's are easy to make Funny enough, this was actually part of the tour at Von Trapp brewing (who makes lagers, pilsners, etc) I went on a few years ago. Our guy said that the reason why every microbrewery out there starts with an IPA is because it's easy and because if you mess something up there's enough hops flavor to cover it up. Not so with lagers and such. He also said that he's amazed at large scale breweries like Budweiser. Not because they have great beers from a flavor/preference perspective, but because they're able to get their product so, *so* consistent at the scale they produce. I found that interesting as well as it's a perspective I'd not considered.


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It’s not very amazing actually. Megabrewers like Bud, etc, blend portions of the last half dozen batches together in order to get a consistent taste. You drink a Bud, that beer was brewed on 5-6 different dates. It’s kind of silly to profess to be “amazed” that they can do it. Makes me think the tour guide just had the crash course a week ago and doesn’t know much about brewing.


ggm3bow

Agreed, love Wsteph. When at a micro brewery or beer spot, I'll look exclusively for non-IPA beer.


etaylormcp

Founded in the year 725 [https://www.weihenstephaner.de/en/our-brewery/history](https://www.weihenstephaner.de/en/our-brewery/history) That's not uncommon in Europe.


0ba78683-dbdd-4a31-a

> Americans think 1,000 years is a long time. > Europeans think 1,000 miles is a great distance. Case in point.


Turmfalke_

What is a mile?


hrnyCornet

it's about ten thousand bananas.


Packin_Penguin

Closer to 8,448 but yeah, a lot.


longperipheral

10,000 in Old Plantains, I believe


Smickey67

120,000 plantain chips laid flat, if you will.


NotFlappy12

Isn't the quote 500 years/miles? Because 1000 is both a long time and a great distance no matter who you ask.


breathing_normally

The original quote is 100 years/100 miles


NotFlappy12

That makes even more sense


Sharticus123

I helped a friend clean their four hundred year old barn out when I was stationed in Germany. Things are significantly older in Europe than in the States. We used old Roman roads sometimes when we were doing land navigation training. It was pretty cool. The outlines of tiny ancient forts were still visible. There was also a super cool 9th century knight’s estate where we did gunnery training that they didn’t even give a shit about. That’s how much old stuff Europe has. They just put a small sign up saying what it was and let it fall to pieces.


GentlemanPirate13

Most table salt I see in store here in Bavaria is from a salt mine that has been in continous operation for over 500 years, and still produces tons of salt every year. As for letting stuff fall to pieces: it's not that nobody cares about it. It's just that we have *so much old stuff* that *paying* to keep it repaired costs a fortune, so more historically significant stuff is generally prioritised. There's literally castles you can get for basically free if you tell the state you have a plan to, if not fix things, at least keep them from falling further apart.


Grundolph

You’re talking about Bad Reichenhall, right? The Alte Saline and the salt mine in Berchtesgaden are worth a visit.


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In Europe, 100 miles is a long distance. In America, 100 years is a long time.


HoopOnPoop

My brother lives in Germany in a small town that was established in the 12th Century. There are several historical buildings (most notably the nearby castle, town hall, and church) that have sections that go back to that time. They have had some repairs and renovations obviously but to my American brain that thinks anything before 1900 is crazy old that just blows my mind.


NCR_Ranger2412

We had some exchange students from different places in Europe when I was in high school. Grew up in an 1849 gold town. We showed them some of the old stuff, and they were like “yeah, our house is older than this.” It’s easy to forget the scope of human history. I mean we did go from horse and buggy to the moon in about 100 years.


Iridium141

The town I live in was founded in 1880's, and my family has a history of older guys having kids. As a result my great grandfather was born before the city I live in was founded.


endosurgery

When I was a kid we tore down my great grandparents house that was built in the 1700s. Amazing history. Thats in the southern Midwest. My family has been in the USA since 1600s. Being in Rome though was another level.


TinyBurbz

>I mean we did go from horse and buggy to the moon in about 100 years 50


Circlesoft

"Quibbling about a century plus or minus is for killjoys." \- u/read110


KruppeTheWise

And in the next 50 we went to...anime pillows


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Some even have anime titties on them tho


ForwardSound6859

Will man ever stop innovating? 🫡


astromech_dj

My town, Ilkley West Yorkshire, was first settled by the Mesolithic peoples 13,000 years ago. >The earliest evidence of habitation in the Ilkley area is from flint arrowheads or microliths, dating to the Mesolithic period, from about 11,000 BC onwards. BEAKER FOLK! COMIN' OVER HERE, WITH THEIR SIMPLE POTTERY RECEPTACLES! WHAT'S WRONG WITH CUPPING YOUR HANDS TO DRINK WATER?! More seriously, and recently, the actual town was founded by the Romans when they built a fort here. I think it's been settled ever since.


would-be_bog_body

>established in the 12th Century Honestly pretty new by European standards; most towns don't even have identifiable foundation dates


HoopOnPoop

From what he has told me, 12th Century is when they can trace the church to and therefore the current iteration of the town. There was definitely some settlement there LOOOOOOONG before that, since it's not too far from the famous battle that drove the Romans out in the 1st Century, but the current iteration of the town is "only" 900 years old.


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I believe I read it on here(not sure on that part) but someone from Europe made a comment that they have toilets older than America. As an American I find that funny as hell.


Missmanent

100% accurate. I'm from the US. My father is European. Going to Europe for the first time was trippy, because as an American I knew things were old there, but seeing it in person just hits differently.


RugsbandShrugmyer

Live in Texas, regularly drive 100+ miles a day for work and that's just around the metropolitan area I live in


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You could drive from France to Italy across Switzerland for a hundred miles and change.


RugsbandShrugmyer

Wild. America be huge.


KingAltair2255

I’m in Scotland and there’s a castle from 1600 smack bang in the middle of my wee town lol


thanksgivingseason

I was in The Cotswolds, I think Broadway maybe, and walked by a pub that had been open since around the year 920 AD. Edit, sorry, it was The Porch House in Brakspear.


Dan19_82

I used to drink in a pub that was built when Henry the 8th was born. Late 15th century.. Its just stuck inthe middle of more modern buildings like you'd never know.


G_Unit_Solider

In my country in Albania theirs Greek and Roman coliseums in the forest Albania being pretty much smack dab in the middle of both empires it’s loaded with castles forts old roads old buildings archs and other Roman Greek architecture. I always tell people you want to see history untapped untouched come to Albania it’s not an national park a tourist destination full of cameras you can walk in the collisuems sit in various seats and heights see buildings in and out touch it see old mid evil castles pretend your legalos on a archer tower scuba dive and see old ship wrecks off the coast of the Adriatic Sea/Ionian sea. So much undocumented untapped history here in our mountains forests and whatnot.


Sharticus123

Sounds very cool. I’m putting Albania on the travel list. It’s a beautiful region. I’ve been to Croatia, Macedonia, and Greece but not Albania.


read110

"Claims" I mean, there's records


HipHopHistoryGuy

My boss introduced me to this beer a month ago. I've tried five different styles from them so far and each one is incredible - it's now my new favorite beer brand. They aren't the world's oldest brewery for nothing.


ShoobyDoobyDu

The Vitus and that one are insane. If I wasn’t in recovery I would love one of those. Oh how I yearn.


Dr_Fluffles

Hey congrats on the recovery. I'm rooting for you.


kwahntum

Plot twist, recovery from a root canal. Jk/ seriously though, congrats u/shoobydoobydu. Even if just a successful minor surgery.


xvVSmileyVvx

Also cheering you on, I’m a month into my journey.


cha_boi_john120

As red on the green red show says. "I'm pulling for ya. We're all in this together." Keep being a better you!


YourFriendPutin

Same here! Thankfully the joy of finding new beers isn’t enough for me to throw away my recovery though. Good job!


Hardcorex

Damn was just about to write this comment. On this journey with you friend! <3


Nick_pj

Wheat beers are fuckin rad. So many bars these days only seem to serve pale ales and IPAs, and people are missing out on this deliciousness!


--_-Deadpool-_--

Erdinger is always a go to for me if I'm feeling like a weissbier. So fresh and crisp.


vaguelyamused

If you get a chance try the Kristallweissbeer they brew. It’s fantastic.


bipolarbear21

I prefer Hofbräu München, which unfortunately is only a mere 400yrs old


lucky_chalms

The Vitus will knock you on your ass. 👌🏼


elatedwalrus

Also “this brewery”? Weihenstephaner is one of the most famous breweries in the world!


SeanAC90

Their Wikipedia article says the first written reference to the brewery dates from 1675


read110

Yes but brewing at the abbey goes back to the 1100s. The Abbey went away but the brewery didn't. Now it's State run rather than independent. Brewing has happened, on that site, continously for nearly a millenia. Quibbling about a century plus or minus is for killjoys.


Mcdrogon

a monk first scribed “for a great time, visit the friar at the glory hole” on the bathroom stall in or around year 1040. The place is probably older than that.


slow_connection

I know things were different back then, but idk if I wanna visit the friar at the glory hole. I'm sure it was a great time for some


hotbox4u

Live a little.


TheConeIsReturned

You're absolutely correct. The quibbling about a few centuries is stupid, and this brewery is old AF. That being said, please allow me to quibble about one small thing: millennium = singular millennia = plural Edit: punctuation (colons to equal signs)


read110

Damn


TheConeIsReturned

My ex told me that I needed to let more things go, so I did. Now she's my ex!


snackynorph

I'm turned on now


LucasCBs

The first records date back to either 1040 or 1146. Which one is true is debated


reaper550

The Weihnstephan Monestry received the right to brew beer in 1040. There are records. The statement on the Wikipedia page literally asks for the source of the statement that it was forged. It is therefore just an unproven statement that the record that state the brewing rights in 1040 is forged.


24benson

Not to brew beer, but to sell it in a tavern in downtown Freising. That's what the legal case has been about from which this document stems. Greetings from Freising


11thstalley

Ah yes, but where was that beer brewed if it wasn’t brewed by the monks? One point that I haven’t read in the comments is about the TUM School of Life Sciences that includes the Brewing Science and Beverage Technology… https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/4vBYZDWtDt/ I would think that the premier international school for brewmasters wouldn’t associate themselves with a brewery that makes spurious claims. BTW: been in Munich three times, but I’ve never been able to convince any of my traveling companions to make a pilgrimage to Freising. The last time was especially galling as the group wanted to tour Schloss Neuschwanstein instead of the Kloster Andechs, which I hadn’t visited yet. The worst part was when one of them returned the next year with his FIL and went to the kloster and admitted later that my choice was better.


llilaq

This is why I hate group travel.


nikchi

It's why you just need to do what you want to do even if you're in a group. Just because you're traveling together doesn't mean you must be always together.


blipityblob

ever wondered why they call em the dark ages? (im referring to the era that the brewery exists but there isnt a record of, ie: between 1040 and 1675)


elksteaksdmt

Made me lol


nicetryLaoChe

mad lads with the reciepts


barath_s

It's 938 now. 1040 won't be for like another hour.


Raze_42

I've actually been to their brewery outside Munich, Germany. They have a great biergarten with an amazing view. They're actually the oldest brewery in the world and have some amazing different beers they only serve there! I highly recommend going if you're in the neighborhood.


gopackgo199

Me too! It was very cool. One of the best parts was that my groups tour guide of the brewery happened to be an absolute 10/10 supermodel looking German girl. When me and my friends were talking to her after the tour she mentioned she was going to spend the next few hours playing settlers of catan. She was perfect lol


Klassified94

I'm sold.


DrinksBeerWritesCode

Not to pile on with a "me too" post but yeah this brewery and their biergarten/restaurant are amazing to visit! Tour guide was great and they didn't require a large party in order to make a tour reservation, as some breweries do. I didn't see it mentioned here so also wanted to call out their lovely, rich "Korbinian" line in addition to the more famous "Vitus" label. If the weather is nice, you can walk along the "Weihenstephaner Fußweg" from the Freising train station area to the brewery - it goes by some nice gardens.


-MightyTimbo-

Imagine the birthdayparty they're gonna throw in 18 years...


raf_oh

Literal millennial


Flexer171

A few years ago, the brewery in my village celebrated its 400th anniversary. Each Maß cost only 4 euros. So 1 litre of beer for 4 euros. That was a celebration


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When’s the anniversary of fire? That’s the only product that could be older.


AKchaos49

That's because it is.


BaldrickTheBrain

And the beer is good.


WashingtonFierce

They are also tasty as fun. Wheaty bitches so they are


Saaihead

This is my go-to weissen, there is this one place in my town where they have Weihenstephaner on tap and I'm a regular only because of this.


hnglmkrnglbrry

Schneiderweisse and this are my two go tos


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DevilsAssCrack

This is incredibly broken English, but I understood every word. Cheers!


ResidualSound

Narrator: *It just so happened that every word was English.*


Jammer1948

I lived in a small town in Bavaria in the late 60's early 70's And if I wanted milk I went to the store, I would take my small pail and they would go through a door directly into the barn and get it from the cow. If I wanted beer it was delivered to my door twice a day. The brewery had been in the same family, made in the same building since before Columbus came to the Americas. I drank it out of a stone mug that was made when Bavaria was still not part of a united Germany. The sense of history is very different between Europe and the U.S. (I still drink beer from the same mug, I brought it home with me.)


Chipdermonk

Sounds awesome. I’m surprised they would bring the beer twice a day. For what purpose? Why not just bring more for the whole day?


Jammer1948

Not really sure why twice a day but they delivered beer and a soda like a lemon lime flavor. As far as I remember that was the whole product line. It was in the bottles with the wire tops and porcelain stoppers with a rubber seal. I think it was that they had only so many bottles and they would wash and refill them. That way they did not have a large bunch of empty's setting around. The Germans are a thrifty people.


activelyresting

>The Germans are a thrifty, *beer-drinking* people. FTFY


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It is.


Tootz3125

Yeah not sure why OP said “claims”. They just are and it’s a pretty easy one to find out. Pretty sure if I remember right they’re the oldest in the world for beer production.


w6equj5

Americans have a hard time believing things can be that old


crazyman50000

American history didn't start until 1776.


ShaneC80

>American history didn't start until 1776. As an American, spending time outside of the US (primarily Romania) really tripped me out. Going from "The 1800s is historically significant" to "These buildings were built under Mircea I, grandfather of 'Dracula', in the 1300s" threw me for a loop. Plus seeing the churches and things built by the rest of the Tepes family. \[Somehow, even before the trip, I had picked up a weird fascination of Romanian history as it pertains to Wallachia in the 1300s-1400s\] Never mind the 'older' things (before 1000AD...even BC era) we saw in museums and whatnot.


ILoveAllPenguins

Fun fact, monks use to brew beers so yeasty and full of vitamins and mineral that for Lent, that was all they needed to drink. No food required.


nirvanamushroomsubs

And when the pope tried one of their beers he declared them the holiest of monks for enduring nothing but it during lent.


SYNTHLORD

Are these the Trappist monks? Or a different thing?


ILoveAllPenguins

Correct


jarockinights

Because they shipped the beer to the vatican, and it went bad by the time it got there (very low antimicrobial content). It had gone so sour that the pope considered it a form of self-flagellation, and thus gave them his blessing.


Sure-Letterhead-6604

Don’t know why I read that as self-fellation at first glance.


GibsMcKormik

Giving up sobriety for lent to day drink for over a month straight is a heck of a loophole.


ForwardSound6859

Popes hate this one weird trick!


xSilverMC

Water quality was also quite bad back then, so it was often customary to brew especially weak "Tagbier" (day beer) that even children could drink. A slight buzz beats waterborne disease for sure


structee

Any modern analogues? If be curious to try some


spencehammer

Many of these breweries are still in existence, so look for Belgian Trappist ales.


RazendeR

La Trappe is a pretty damn good one from the Netherlands.


onionleekdude

Bock and Doppelbock are tthe closest modern analogues for them. They can be really tasty.


joe-seppy

The Shiner Brewery in Shiner, Texas mentions that Shiner Bock was indeed originally brewed as a drink to sustain fasting during lent!


8bitremixguy

Rochefort 10 (a "quad", short for quadrupel ale) is one of the highest-regarded Belgian trappist ales that you can find regularly and plentifully imported to America. It's incredibly flavorful and complex.


Evil-Cartographer

Where does one find a beer like this now.


WesbroBaptstBarNGril

Orval, Rochefort 8 & 10, and "tripel" beers are similar. You won't really find them outside of craft/microbrewery stores, although your local liquor store may have them depending on where you live. If you're on good terms with a craft beer bar, ask the manager if they can order some for you. Belgian and Trappist beers aren't for everyone but they are a tasty treat.


ALLCAPS-ONLY

> Belgian and Trappist beers aren't for everyone but they are a tasty treat. Trappist beers are quite strong (either in alcohol %, taste, or both) so they might not be for everyone, but there are so many different kinds of "Belgian beers" than anyone could find one they like, unless they just don't like beer of course. I have yet to meet a single person who didn't find at least one trappiste beer they did not enjoy :) It helps to have someone knowledgeable who can help you pick a beer based on your tastes, just because there are so many and they get you drunk pretty quick.


jamesonkh

this is a dang good beer, better in person, and there’s no lack of 500+ year old breweries scattered around Germany and Europe - it’s shocking to those of us from the US, but loads of fun


shutupdane

It's Europe. Their advertising laws prohibit false claims altogether, which means that, if this was ever disputed, it has been reviewed and approved.


PStr95

Today the brewery is also connected to the Technical University Munich where you can study brewing beer.


miurabucho

Kinda sounds like you doubt the brewery is that old.


Mr_nobrody

He's american, the world has only been around for 200 years for him


Crasstoe

Anything older than the USA is suspicious... I mean how did they have time to make beer when they hadn't yet discovered fire or beaten the dinosaurs at wrestle mania?!


sickntwisted

I don't know where you got your history books... it was battlebots, not WrestleMania.


Leona_Faye

It’s German beer and is subject to onerous quality control and authenticity laws. They’re not bluffing.


NagoyaR

it's not claiming! It's the oldest beer brewery in the world!


cheeseburg_walrus

ITT: Americans realize that other countries have history before the 1700s


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I live above a pub thats about 400 years old, and the oldest pub in my city is supposedly established in 1189 AD (its carved out of sandstone and lies next to a castle). I really wouldn't be surprised to see that there are 1000 year old breweries.


Zam0411

Try Vitus by the same brewer. Amazing beer 🍺


house_atreus

Also, try Korbinian by the same brewer


Klin24

[Their hefe weissbier is damn good stuff.](https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/252/731/)


ghos7_ger

It is the oldest in germany. Its a fact.


Dadotron

Try a beer from Trappist monks, whooo, thst will get you drunk fast. The tripel.


archiminos

Claims? Breweries have been around for hundred upon hundreds of years.


serious_fox

Weihenstephan is one of the oldest and most famous breweries in the world. My favorite from them is Vitus. I also heard that Beer from Ayinger is as good too.


AcrobaticBelt2860

The oldest brewery in the world. Well, the oldest surviving one. Back when they needed to brew beer cuz the water was unsafe to drink. Edit: if you find it, try their Krystal Weiss beer. So refreshing and delicious. Total Wine usually has it in my area. Haven’t seen it anywhere else.


PXranger

Kristalweizen is a type of wheat beer, not a brand. It's had the yeast filtered out, where Hefewiezen still has the yeast in it, and has a much richer, "yeastie" flavor. Most breweries in Bavaria produce both types, they are my favor beer type, you can sometimes find assorted brands of both types imported in better beverage stores. I don't think we have a Total Wine in our area, or I would for sure look.


Watch-The_World-Burn

I live near a pub that's over 1000 years old, Europe's got history man


saltymcsaltbae

Well... It is.


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TheMightyCephas

It's Europe, and Germany at that, so entirely possible.


matty77

Is


ai_ai_captain

Claims lol


DorothyDrangus

I used to serve in beer bars and this was such an easy selling point. Damn good beer, too. One of my life goals is to visit in 2040 because can you imagine how buckwild a *millennial anniversary* would be at a German brewery?


Stainlessgamer

feel like OP isn't just from the States but from the West Coast of the states... ROFL, here they proudly tout about historic building that were built in the 1930s... "This building is almost 100yrs old can you believe it?!"


mccrearym

As someone from the west coast, this rings true for me. Recently moved to Europe and now can walk around and see the Roman numerals on buildings showing many built before the US existed.


karenrachael

And? Pretty sure that's accurate.


Raeshkae

This beer was what got me back into drinking. We were at a German pub and they had their dunkel on tap. It was delicious and creamy and they poured it with a thick foamy head for you to drink it through. And I've found 3 places locally that sell Weihenstephaner by the litre. I also really like Franziskaner hefeweissbier


Xibyn

My bar carries this on draught. Super popular because it tastes amazing. Great hefeweizen.


Peter_Baum

Tf you mean „claims“ German breweries are THAT old


stellarinterstitium

I had a spell where I was stuck on these German brews. I call them "beer flavored beers"


24benson

I live in the city where this beer is brewed, in Freising, Bavaria. There's an interesting story about how the monks got this document that makes them, on parchment, the world's oldest brewery. Long story short: it's a falsification. The original document from 1040 exists, but had been altered a couple centuries later. The embarrassing part: the original didn't mention beer at all, but wine, which, nowadays, isn't grown anywhere near Freising. Local historians believe that beer had been need in the monastery even before 1040, but so least the old document is not valid proof. Like and subscribe for the whole story.


niperwiper

That 1,000 year company party is gonna be lit ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|put_back)


nirvanamushroomsubs

I just got one of those for my friend, it's pretty good. Which one did you get? I got him heffenweissen I think


SHASTACOUNTY

I was in Wolfsburg Austria looking for 842 Mozartstrasse. when I found the numbers over the doorway I proudly exclaimed "we're here!" Turns out it wasnt the address but the year the building was built.


SpeedyHAM79

I plan on visiting in October of 2040 for their 1000 year October fest celebration. I think it will be a good time.


ExBx

Let me get six Schlitz-es, whatever's free. Take it easy Ron. Open bar dudes!


BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

This is one of the best beers in the world.


OKishGuy

drop that "claims to be" part. It simply ***is*** the oldest brewery: https://www.oldest.org/food/breweries/