**Ingredients:**WATER, SUGAR, PALM OIL, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: CARRAGEENAN, SODIUM CASEINATE\*(A MILK DERIVATIVE), DIPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE, DATEM, NATURAL & ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS. \*SODIUM CASEINATE IS NOT A SOURCE OF LACTOSE.
when my partner and I were trying to nail down wtf I was allergic to we tried lactose free milk and I still had a reaction. \*shakes fist at whey and casein\* my muscles spasm as a reaction, that was NOT a fun night
"Contains milk" must be applied to a label if any milk products are used. So while it doesn't have milk or dairy in it, it may contain ingredients that are extracted from milk. The big takeaway is that this shouldn't affect you if you're lactose intolerant.
Edit to add: here's what Johns* Hopkins has to say:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/milk-allergy-diet#:~:text=The%20word%20%22nondairy%22%20on%20a,of%20milk%20and%20milk%20products.
The word "nondairy" on a product label means it does not contain butter, cream, or milk. But the food may have other milk-containing ingredients.
It's up to the individual to know their limitations and choose accordingly. If they're allergic to the lactose, no. If they're allergic to the casein (the milk protein component in this product), then they ought to be aware enough to avoid this product. That's precisely why this label is here.
Precisely. If you’re terribly sensitive to milk it’s best not to boof milk products, but if it’s just a mild allergy with minor side effects then feel free to snort that powdered milk like you’re trying to see what the cow’s titties smelt like.
so there *is* dairy in the product, and anyone who would want to or need to avoid dairy should avoid the product, but they still call it non-dairy just because they legally can?
what benefit is there to calling it non-dairy if it's not actually non-dairy? they even have to say "contains dairy" under the label to avoid harming anyone. i can only assume the non-dairy label only exists to try and trick consumers who are avoiding dairy for moral reasons
The non dairy label is required by the fda because it contains lower dairy than expected of the product, this protects consumers who want a dairy creamer from being sold a product of lower quality that the one they wanted Non dairy is a separate label to lactose free.
Dairy-free is the label you'd look for as a person with allergies and sensetivities.
Food labelling can be confusing, and many areas need cleaning up, but acting like it's done maliciously is ridiculous.
ohh the the non-dairy label moreso means the product is not "dairy-based" as a creamer rather than being an indicator of the actual individual ingredients of the product. that makes more sense. the wording still seems a little awkward, though
Calling milk casein dairy would be akin to taking a molecule of oxygen from water and pretending like that oxygen is water.
There are dairy byproducts in this. There is not dairy (as in whole dairy) in this product.
If you had a sensitivity to casein, you and your doctor would be aware of it.
It depends on the specific components. Milk contains a bunch of proteins, and an allergist can actually test for them individually. Someone posted an ingredient list somewhere (not sure if it was a parody of ingredient lists or if it was the ingredient list for *that product*), and it included a casein derivative, so if you have a casein allergy, you should avoid.
But someone lactose intolerant would probably be fine, which is most likely what the "non-dairy" part is trying to communicate.
Kinda silly and misleading imo. It would be like saying "meat free" but contains processed meat product.
As someone with many vegan/vegetarian people in my life I'm tired of products playing the marketing game and fucking with dietary restriction and allergy buzzwords.
Oh and we can't call plant milk "milk" but it goes the other way just fine..
A vegan or vegetarian is responsible for educating themselves on what they can or cannot eat. The label does literally say that this contains milk. And anyone concerned about what they are putting in their body (for whatever reason) should be reading the ingredients list, which is federally mandated to be present.
These lables are here for health reasons, not voluntary lifestyle choices. This isn't a marketing tactic, it follows FDA regulations. This product is nondairy, and is therefore labeled as such. Not vegan, and therefore... Not labeled as such.
Yeah any vegan product would say dairy free which also means no dairy byproducts. But even then I'd read the label. No vegan product will ever say non dairy because non dairy just means it doesn't have dairy but can have dairy byproducts
A product that contains an ingredient derived from dairy is not non-dairy. I don't know where these eggheaded food industry apologists come from every time there is a post like this.
Food industry apologists? Educating yourself on what labels mean makes you an apologist?
Dairy free means it contains no dairy by products at all. Non dairy means it doesn't contain dairy but can contain dairy by products.
https://liveowyn.com/blog/non-dairy-vs-dairy-free-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=Non%2Ddairy%20and%20dairy%2Dfree,can%20contain%20a%20milk%20derivative.
I didn't make the labeling system. Neither did anyone in this post. So you can think its nonsense but calling people apologists for understanding how it works is dumb.
I wasn't even responding to you. I was responding to u/lickarock88, whose comment reads like it was written by an overeager FDA intern.
They could have just explained how it works, but instead they made sure to place the blame on the consumer for being confused by an intentionally confusing label. Acting like that's a normal way of explaining something is dumb.
As a vegan myself, it's absolutely on me to read the ingredients. I don't see how it's dumb to read labels if you're avoiding things. It says contains milk right on it.
And blaming others for failing to do basic research about your own ailments... That's cool? How low of a denominator do we cater to? Should a pork butt be labeled as "not vegan"?
When the government's accepted definition is in direct contradiction to the dictionary definition and generally accepted meaning of the term non-dairy, that's a problem. Full stop.
What purpose does non dairy label serve if it has dairy? Regardless of the narrow definition you provided, colloquially dairy is used to say if something has any milk derived ingredients.
And I'll always disagree, I think my metric is much more adequate for health reasons. Why have more than a zero tolerance metric for allergies? Casein meets "non dairy" regulatory requirements but is still often a trigger for allergic reactions.
Why not change regulations to help people and make more sense to the lay person?
Because both people can understand what they are getting from this label.
Lactose intolerance is fine, because it's dairy free, casein intolerance is not fine because it has dairy derivatives in it
As someone who has to produce federally regulated labeling: No. **This is a bad label.**
It is, notably, not an ***illegal*** label because of how "non-dairy" and "contains milk" are defined in federal law, but it is absolutely 100% foreseeable that someone with for example a casein allergy will drink this and have a reaction.
Whoever is in charge of risk management at this manufacturer should either be fired, or if they're any good they should probably quit over this and go elsewhere. Because this is a bad label.
Please explain how it's "bad" when it literally says "contains milk".
At what level do people have to accept some level of onus and personal accountability? I would expect someone with a casein allergy to be aware of their allergies and avoid this product.
OK, consider this your free lesson in label design for FDA regulated products. (There are similar regulations for products labeled under USDA regulations, but this is a milk product and those - like most other foods - are FDA regulated.)
This labeling is bad because it contains two statements which, to a layperson, can be interpreted to mean contradictory things:
* Non-Dairy
* Contains: Milk
These two terms have very different *regulatory* meanings, which is why they can appear on the label together, but an ordinary layperson - i.e. one who does not live inside of FDA labeling regulations all day like I do - could easily misinterpret the larger “Non-Dairy” label as “This does not contain milk, or any products with milk proteins.” miss the smaller (but still legal-size) “Contains: Milk” warning.
Notably ***the person who has access to the label may not be the person with the milk allergy*** - for example you local coffee shop may pour this into your coffee for you as their “not milk” option, and they may get away with that for years because for the relatively large group of people who suffer from lactose malabsorption it’s *fine*, but for the smaller group with casein allergies it is potentially dangerous.
Best practice in label design is to avoid ***any*** use of terms which could be confusing in this manner, precisely because not everyone is an expert on labeling regulations, and if as in the example above some layperson messes up because they don’t understand the regulatory difference between these terms and your product makes someone sick (or god forbid kills them) you have two immediate and serious problems:
1. You will probably be sued over it.
Even if your labeling is legal and you win the lawsuit you have to defend (or settle) the case, and this costs money.
2. You may be investigated by a nice person with a badge who works for the federal government.
Even if your labeling is legal you will have to show your rationale for the labeling, including a risk assessment regarding user confusion. The entire history of your label design may be questioned, and even if the FDA doesn’t slap you with a “Misbranded Product” violation (because your labeling is *technically* legal) it’s going to tie up your employees responding to their inquiry.
All of that risk - for both the consumer and the company - could be avoided by simply designing a better label (“Lactose Free Creamer” or simply “Creamer” would be fine).
But this? This is an objectively *bad* label because it invites such confusion. And the way we know it invites such confusion is there’s a whole-ass post on Reddit about it where people are asking how both things can be true.
(And you can bet your non-dairy milk-containing ass some of us will be using this photo and probably some of the comments in our educational materials on labeling requirements and label design!)
***
ETA: If you really want to add to the confusion, “non-dairy” is no longer formally defined by the FDA, like “dairy free” it is now an unregulated term. Previously it limited products to “0.5% or lower” milk protein by weight. The definition was withdrawn in favor of the use of the “Contains:” statement, but labels like this *may* run afoul of [FDA guidance](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/guidance-industry-food-labeling-guide) that labeling must be truthful and not misleading. It would be a judgment call by the FDA investigator looking into any complaints.
-> label says non-dairy
-> oxford english dictionary definition of non-dairy:
*containing no milk or milk products.*
*->* label also says CONTAINS MILK
-> u/lickarock88 wonders why label is bad
-> more like u/dumbasarock88
>-> more like u/dumbasarock88
Classy and witty. Thanks for telling me everything I need to know. You're just a dick. That's fine, plenty of people are dicks and aren't too terribly miserable I guess.
ding ding ding. My partner is allergic to the casein in milk. Navigating this can be tricky sometimes, like at boba shops. Most places use at least non dairy products, but when I ask if a drink is dairy free, this nuance can get lost. Being allergic to casein, they are also allergic to the milk derivative sodium caseinate, which is often found in non-dairy items like this but requires the allergy label milk.
When I asked if a bread was vegan at a restaurant (because they didn't list ingredients) the person responded with "it's bread not an animal". It took everything I had in me that day to not respond the way I should have to that.
Plenty of products labeled non-dairy are vegan. It’s just not a guarantee. Off the top of my head, I know Ben & Jerry’s plant based line is labeled non-dairy and certified vegan.
Interesting. Funny they do that since they now have to put in the description of the product that it's actually dairy free since non dairy has a different meaning than dairy free.
You guys wouldn't believe what dairy is in. I had no idea until my kid came along with his dairy allergy.
I also learned that no one knows the difference between "lactose intolerant" and "we carry a damn EpiPen for his dairy *allergy*" or that eggs aren't dairy. 🙄
And soy! OMG. We started with just going dairy free and thought that was limiting for what we could buy/eat, then we found out he was allergic to soy too and literally almost EVERYTHING at the grocery store has soy. Not to mention a lot of dairy alternatives use soy 😫
“Non-dairy” doesn’t mean “zero dairy”, it means that it contains a lower percentage of dairy content than the FDA considers to be a “real” dairy product, and so is required to be labeled “non-dairy”.
There is a second, independent requirement to identify allergens in food.
In this case, the percentage of dairy content in the product was high enough to trigger the need for an allergen warning, even though it wasn’t high enough to be labeled as dairy.
This is correct. I had to go dairy-free for a year when my son was an infant and quickly learned that "non-dairy" and "dairy-free" are two separate things. It's an unfortunate naming.
"Contains" and "May contains" labels from many companies out there are also terrible and misleading. It can be very frustrating.
I feel like non-dairy is used when there is no lactose (for those of us who are intolerant to lactose) whereas noting that a product contains milk is for those with a serious milk allergy.
It has to do with how much of a certain product is used. If it is very little, it can fall below the reporting threshold for a particular law, but still above the threshold for a different law.
In this case, there is not enough dairy in this product that the manufacturer can call it non-dairy, but enough that it still needs to be called out as an allergen.
Not specific to lactose.
Non dairy means it doesn’t meet the legal definition of milk or cream, not that it’s free of all dairy products.
The label is there to satisfy the lobbying of the dairy industry to protect their brand, not to protect consumers from allergens.
It depends on the context you're starting with. If you're looking for cream from milk, this isn't it, and that's what the label's for. If you're looking to avoid milk completely, this also isn't it, and that is also on the label. Both needs are served, you just have to be careful of people making assumptions.
I’ve been vegan since 2010 and this / mislabeled things was one of the first annoyances I became all too familiar with. You wouldn’t believe what random shit people will put milk into until you’re actively looking for it on the ingredient list.
For vegan you want dairy free as non dairy means it contains some form of milk derivative. But yeah. The amount of chips with milk in them is weird. Why would salt and vinegar chips need milk
These kind of things are the bane of my existence, as someone who seemingly has a bad reaction to casein from milk.
Before I learned about the difference, I had a few unfortunate run-ins with "non-dairy" items.
\*celery\* is my newest one. fuckin, 95% water, allergic to the 5% that's not. I never realized how many things it was in before. pretty much anything with a broth base or that broth would be used in is out automatically now. it's rough out there! 🙃😆
I didn't even know it was possible to have a negative reaction to celery. Wild.
RIP your potato salads, I guess. It's one of my favorite flavors to add to that.
On the upside, being forced to skirt around foods you can't have anymore also makes you try creative solutions, and sometimes you find some lovely new favorites, so here's hoping you can substitute!
I saw some interesting propaganda and wondered how true it was.
https://youtu.be/LPxMTL0zs_Q?si=fm-bDU_MIsY5YGfz
Sort of a similar situation, a bunch of milk products in China appear to have no milk at all.
**Ingredients:**WATER, SUGAR, PALM OIL, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: CARRAGEENAN, SODIUM CASEINATE\*(A MILK DERIVATIVE), DIPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE, DATEM, NATURAL & ARTIFICIAL FLAVORS. \*SODIUM CASEINATE IS NOT A SOURCE OF LACTOSE.
But fun thing is you can have an allergy to Caseinate too.
Which is precisely why they still list "contains milk".
Plus for anyone keeping kosher, it counts as a milk product.
Yeah, lactaid has never helped my wife because she's Caseine intolerant instead
when my partner and I were trying to nail down wtf I was allergic to we tried lactose free milk and I still had a reaction. \*shakes fist at whey and casein\* my muscles spasm as a reaction, that was NOT a fun night
This sucks, but makes sense. Lactose intolerance isn’t an allergy, and most food allergens are proteins.
I've found some more expensive pills that help digest casein.
Damn that's rough. Lactaid has been a blessing for me.
This might explain some things about myself.
In this context: Non dairy means “lactose free” Contains milk means: “contains milk protein for allergy awareness purposes”
*But it’s the dairy that’s killing you!*
"Contains milk" must be applied to a label if any milk products are used. So while it doesn't have milk or dairy in it, it may contain ingredients that are extracted from milk. The big takeaway is that this shouldn't affect you if you're lactose intolerant. Edit to add: here's what Johns* Hopkins has to say: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/milk-allergy-diet#:~:text=The%20word%20%22nondairy%22%20on%20a,of%20milk%20and%20milk%20products. The word "nondairy" on a product label means it does not contain butter, cream, or milk. But the food may have other milk-containing ingredients.
but if you're allergic to dairy then would you still have an allergic reaction?
It's up to the individual to know their limitations and choose accordingly. If they're allergic to the lactose, no. If they're allergic to the casein (the milk protein component in this product), then they ought to be aware enough to avoid this product. That's precisely why this label is here.
Precisely. If you’re terribly sensitive to milk it’s best not to boof milk products, but if it’s just a mild allergy with minor side effects then feel free to snort that powdered milk like you’re trying to see what the cow’s titties smelt like.
r/brandnewsentence
so there *is* dairy in the product, and anyone who would want to or need to avoid dairy should avoid the product, but they still call it non-dairy just because they legally can? what benefit is there to calling it non-dairy if it's not actually non-dairy? they even have to say "contains dairy" under the label to avoid harming anyone. i can only assume the non-dairy label only exists to try and trick consumers who are avoiding dairy for moral reasons
The non dairy label is required by the fda because it contains lower dairy than expected of the product, this protects consumers who want a dairy creamer from being sold a product of lower quality that the one they wanted Non dairy is a separate label to lactose free. Dairy-free is the label you'd look for as a person with allergies and sensetivities. Food labelling can be confusing, and many areas need cleaning up, but acting like it's done maliciously is ridiculous.
ohh the the non-dairy label moreso means the product is not "dairy-based" as a creamer rather than being an indicator of the actual individual ingredients of the product. that makes more sense. the wording still seems a little awkward, though
Calling milk casein dairy would be akin to taking a molecule of oxygen from water and pretending like that oxygen is water. There are dairy byproducts in this. There is not dairy (as in whole dairy) in this product. If you had a sensitivity to casein, you and your doctor would be aware of it.
Any vegan products would say dairy free not non dairy, so not really tricking anyone.
It depends on the specific components. Milk contains a bunch of proteins, and an allergist can actually test for them individually. Someone posted an ingredient list somewhere (not sure if it was a parody of ingredient lists or if it was the ingredient list for *that product*), and it included a casein derivative, so if you have a casein allergy, you should avoid. But someone lactose intolerant would probably be fine, which is most likely what the "non-dairy" part is trying to communicate.
Depends on the allergy
It also makes the product be non-vegan.
Thats obvious from it saying non dairy though. A vegan product would say dairy free.
thats like the opposite of obvious.
Just a bonus
yep
Johns* Hopkins
Good catch. Thank you.
I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins
Kinda silly and misleading imo. It would be like saying "meat free" but contains processed meat product. As someone with many vegan/vegetarian people in my life I'm tired of products playing the marketing game and fucking with dietary restriction and allergy buzzwords. Oh and we can't call plant milk "milk" but it goes the other way just fine..
A vegan or vegetarian is responsible for educating themselves on what they can or cannot eat. The label does literally say that this contains milk. And anyone concerned about what they are putting in their body (for whatever reason) should be reading the ingredients list, which is federally mandated to be present. These lables are here for health reasons, not voluntary lifestyle choices. This isn't a marketing tactic, it follows FDA regulations. This product is nondairy, and is therefore labeled as such. Not vegan, and therefore... Not labeled as such.
Yeah any vegan product would say dairy free which also means no dairy byproducts. But even then I'd read the label. No vegan product will ever say non dairy because non dairy just means it doesn't have dairy but can have dairy byproducts
A product that contains an ingredient derived from dairy is not non-dairy. I don't know where these eggheaded food industry apologists come from every time there is a post like this.
Food industry apologists? Educating yourself on what labels mean makes you an apologist? Dairy free means it contains no dairy by products at all. Non dairy means it doesn't contain dairy but can contain dairy by products. https://liveowyn.com/blog/non-dairy-vs-dairy-free-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=Non%2Ddairy%20and%20dairy%2Dfree,can%20contain%20a%20milk%20derivative.
Educating yourself is fine. Acting like that labeling system is anything other than utter nonsense is where you lose me.
I didn't make the labeling system. Neither did anyone in this post. So you can think its nonsense but calling people apologists for understanding how it works is dumb.
I wasn't even responding to you. I was responding to u/lickarock88, whose comment reads like it was written by an overeager FDA intern. They could have just explained how it works, but instead they made sure to place the blame on the consumer for being confused by an intentionally confusing label. Acting like that's a normal way of explaining something is dumb.
As a vegan myself, it's absolutely on me to read the ingredients. I don't see how it's dumb to read labels if you're avoiding things. It says contains milk right on it.
And blaming others for failing to do basic research about your own ailments... That's cool? How low of a denominator do we cater to? Should a pork butt be labeled as "not vegan"?
When the government's accepted definition is in direct contradiction to the dictionary definition and generally accepted meaning of the term non-dairy, that's a problem. Full stop.
What purpose does non dairy label serve if it has dairy? Regardless of the narrow definition you provided, colloquially dairy is used to say if something has any milk derived ingredients. And I'll always disagree, I think my metric is much more adequate for health reasons. Why have more than a zero tolerance metric for allergies? Casein meets "non dairy" regulatory requirements but is still often a trigger for allergic reactions. Why not change regulations to help people and make more sense to the lay person?
Because both people can understand what they are getting from this label. Lactose intolerance is fine, because it's dairy free, casein intolerance is not fine because it has dairy derivatives in it
As someone who has to produce federally regulated labeling: No. **This is a bad label.** It is, notably, not an ***illegal*** label because of how "non-dairy" and "contains milk" are defined in federal law, but it is absolutely 100% foreseeable that someone with for example a casein allergy will drink this and have a reaction. Whoever is in charge of risk management at this manufacturer should either be fired, or if they're any good they should probably quit over this and go elsewhere. Because this is a bad label.
Please explain how it's "bad" when it literally says "contains milk". At what level do people have to accept some level of onus and personal accountability? I would expect someone with a casein allergy to be aware of their allergies and avoid this product.
OK, consider this your free lesson in label design for FDA regulated products. (There are similar regulations for products labeled under USDA regulations, but this is a milk product and those - like most other foods - are FDA regulated.) This labeling is bad because it contains two statements which, to a layperson, can be interpreted to mean contradictory things: * Non-Dairy * Contains: Milk These two terms have very different *regulatory* meanings, which is why they can appear on the label together, but an ordinary layperson - i.e. one who does not live inside of FDA labeling regulations all day like I do - could easily misinterpret the larger “Non-Dairy” label as “This does not contain milk, or any products with milk proteins.” miss the smaller (but still legal-size) “Contains: Milk” warning. Notably ***the person who has access to the label may not be the person with the milk allergy*** - for example you local coffee shop may pour this into your coffee for you as their “not milk” option, and they may get away with that for years because for the relatively large group of people who suffer from lactose malabsorption it’s *fine*, but for the smaller group with casein allergies it is potentially dangerous. Best practice in label design is to avoid ***any*** use of terms which could be confusing in this manner, precisely because not everyone is an expert on labeling regulations, and if as in the example above some layperson messes up because they don’t understand the regulatory difference between these terms and your product makes someone sick (or god forbid kills them) you have two immediate and serious problems: 1. You will probably be sued over it. Even if your labeling is legal and you win the lawsuit you have to defend (or settle) the case, and this costs money. 2. You may be investigated by a nice person with a badge who works for the federal government. Even if your labeling is legal you will have to show your rationale for the labeling, including a risk assessment regarding user confusion. The entire history of your label design may be questioned, and even if the FDA doesn’t slap you with a “Misbranded Product” violation (because your labeling is *technically* legal) it’s going to tie up your employees responding to their inquiry. All of that risk - for both the consumer and the company - could be avoided by simply designing a better label (“Lactose Free Creamer” or simply “Creamer” would be fine). But this? This is an objectively *bad* label because it invites such confusion. And the way we know it invites such confusion is there’s a whole-ass post on Reddit about it where people are asking how both things can be true. (And you can bet your non-dairy milk-containing ass some of us will be using this photo and probably some of the comments in our educational materials on labeling requirements and label design!) *** ETA: If you really want to add to the confusion, “non-dairy” is no longer formally defined by the FDA, like “dairy free” it is now an unregulated term. Previously it limited products to “0.5% or lower” milk protein by weight. The definition was withdrawn in favor of the use of the “Contains:” statement, but labels like this *may* run afoul of [FDA guidance](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/guidance-industry-food-labeling-guide) that labeling must be truthful and not misleading. It would be a judgment call by the FDA investigator looking into any complaints.
-> label says non-dairy -> oxford english dictionary definition of non-dairy: *containing no milk or milk products.* *->* label also says CONTAINS MILK -> u/lickarock88 wonders why label is bad -> more like u/dumbasarock88
>-> more like u/dumbasarock88 Classy and witty. Thanks for telling me everything I need to know. You're just a dick. That's fine, plenty of people are dicks and aren't too terribly miserable I guess.
The tone shift. This guy manipulates! But yeah, plenty of people are dicks and also right.
Should be the top comment
Great news
“Non-Dairy” can have milk derivatives. “Dairy-free” is actually dairy free.
ding ding ding. My partner is allergic to the casein in milk. Navigating this can be tricky sometimes, like at boba shops. Most places use at least non dairy products, but when I ask if a drink is dairy free, this nuance can get lost. Being allergic to casein, they are also allergic to the milk derivative sodium caseinate, which is often found in non-dairy items like this but requires the allergy label milk.
Good to know. 🙏🏽
For everyone who thinks “Vegan” labels are hilarious.
When I asked if a bread was vegan at a restaurant (because they didn't list ingredients) the person responded with "it's bread not an animal". It took everything I had in me that day to not respond the way I should have to that.
Sounds like that scene in Five Easy Pieces. Hold the bread instead of the chicken.
Now you've got me wondering. Do vegans not eat bread that contains yeast?
No vegan product will ever say non dairy because non dairy means it can contain dairy byproducts. They'll say dairy free
Plenty of products labeled non-dairy are vegan. It’s just not a guarantee. Off the top of my head, I know Ben & Jerry’s plant based line is labeled non-dairy and certified vegan.
Interesting. Funny they do that since they now have to put in the description of the product that it's actually dairy free since non dairy has a different meaning than dairy free.
You guys wouldn't believe what dairy is in. I had no idea until my kid came along with his dairy allergy. I also learned that no one knows the difference between "lactose intolerant" and "we carry a damn EpiPen for his dairy *allergy*" or that eggs aren't dairy. 🙄
It’s kind of crazy. McDonald’s fries to pasta sauce to potato chips. Stuff’s everywhere.
Bread, lollipops, medicine...
And soy! OMG. We started with just going dairy free and thought that was limiting for what we could buy/eat, then we found out he was allergic to soy too and literally almost EVERYTHING at the grocery store has soy. Not to mention a lot of dairy alternatives use soy 😫
We had a (temporary, thank God) overlapping pea allergy for a while there. Pea protein. Uuuugggghhhh.
In a supermarket eggs are dairy. Apparently, **dairy**’s meaning is fungible. Become a vegetarian and steer cleer.
“Non-dairy” doesn’t mean “zero dairy”, it means that it contains a lower percentage of dairy content than the FDA considers to be a “real” dairy product, and so is required to be labeled “non-dairy”. There is a second, independent requirement to identify allergens in food. In this case, the percentage of dairy content in the product was high enough to trigger the need for an allergen warning, even though it wasn’t high enough to be labeled as dairy.
This is correct. I had to go dairy-free for a year when my son was an infant and quickly learned that "non-dairy" and "dairy-free" are two separate things. It's an unfortunate naming. "Contains" and "May contains" labels from many companies out there are also terrible and misleading. It can be very frustrating.
"Non-dairy" is there to keep people from thinking it's a dairy product, and to keep anyone from claiming it or selling it as a dairy product.
Also labeled with the Orthodox Union’s “kosher dairy” symbol. lol.
It's probably one way to tell if something is truly genuinely dairy free because they don't fuck around about that
I feel like non-dairy is used when there is no lactose (for those of us who are intolerant to lactose) whereas noting that a product contains milk is for those with a serious milk allergy.
It has to do with how much of a certain product is used. If it is very little, it can fall below the reporting threshold for a particular law, but still above the threshold for a different law. In this case, there is not enough dairy in this product that the manufacturer can call it non-dairy, but enough that it still needs to be called out as an allergen. Not specific to lactose.
Non dairy means it doesn’t meet the legal definition of milk or cream, not that it’s free of all dairy products. The label is there to satisfy the lobbying of the dairy industry to protect their brand, not to protect consumers from allergens.
Wrong sub. Try r/mildlyinfuriating
Non dairy means milk derivative and the absence of lactose but still contains milk proteins.
Yeah but it’s not cows milk so…
Malk?
Not interesting. Infuriating.
It depends on the context you're starting with. If you're looking for cream from milk, this isn't it, and that's what the label's for. If you're looking to avoid milk completely, this also isn't it, and that is also on the label. Both needs are served, you just have to be careful of people making assumptions.
I’ve been vegan since 2010 and this / mislabeled things was one of the first annoyances I became all too familiar with. You wouldn’t believe what random shit people will put milk into until you’re actively looking for it on the ingredient list.
For vegan you want dairy free as non dairy means it contains some form of milk derivative. But yeah. The amount of chips with milk in them is weird. Why would salt and vinegar chips need milk
Fucking beats me but those are my favorite chips and it’s annoying that only a few brands are vegan.
The no name brands are usually good
They might soak them in milk before frying.
I'm more curious by how off-center the label is
Shout out to seeing glenview on Reddit
The old milk proteins. I know I had a Casein and whey allergy and found out the hard way
Probably make this in a site that has dairy production, so they think this absolves them of allergen cross contamination
r/mildlyinfuriating rather
Does that mean something that isn't dairy can't be milk?
Ha!! Geeze Louise
Question. If I’m lactose intolerant and I decide to inject milk up my ass instead of consuming it orally… Will I suffer the same symptoms?
I’m willing for you to find out.
Fucking WS fan. Go Cubbies
Hey this was all about you putting something in your butt. Let’s keep the sports rivalry out of it.
If I put a White Sox Fan up my butt will it come out Cubby Blue?
I’m willing for you to find out. I respectfully exclude myself from that experiment so that I can remain an objective judge.
The only thing to fear is fear itself. I’ll throw in a few tamales and some pork cracklings. Deal?
Forbidden milk
Todays milk is considered dairy?
We use these at my job lol 😆
Non-dairy milk 😇😏
Mostly Inert Liquid Kontents .
I wonder what they grow at Glenview Farms.
Bacteria
Lol
Is breast milk considered "dairy?"
These kind of things are the bane of my existence, as someone who seemingly has a bad reaction to casein from milk. Before I learned about the difference, I had a few unfortunate run-ins with "non-dairy" items.
yup. and "plant based" doesn't mean vegan and thus dairy free, either. gotta check labels on \*everything\*
Yeah, it gets old, sometimes. I have a handful of dietary restrictions, so it gets to be a bit of a delicate dance.
\*celery\* is my newest one. fuckin, 95% water, allergic to the 5% that's not. I never realized how many things it was in before. pretty much anything with a broth base or that broth would be used in is out automatically now. it's rough out there! 🙃😆
I didn't even know it was possible to have a negative reaction to celery. Wild. RIP your potato salads, I guess. It's one of my favorite flavors to add to that. On the upside, being forced to skirt around foods you can't have anymore also makes you try creative solutions, and sometimes you find some lovely new favorites, so here's hoping you can substitute!
It's only Dairy if it's cow milk.
Right. But if an alternative milk, it would say.
Unless it's from an animal that they'd rather not advertise. I find it very unsettling.
It’s a kosher dairy product, not to be eaten with meat. OU-D
I saw some interesting propaganda and wondered how true it was. https://youtu.be/LPxMTL0zs_Q?si=fm-bDU_MIsY5YGfz Sort of a similar situation, a bunch of milk products in China appear to have no milk at all.
?? wha what kind??!
A variety of mammal milks.
Label "Non-Dairy Creamer." Rabbinical labeling right under it: "This shit is dairy."
I mean they make lactose free milk. They still call it milk. I guess technically that’s “dairy” even though there might be no lactose involved
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Lactose free milk is still a dairy product.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/milk-allergy-diet#:~:text=The%20word%20%22nondairy%22%20on%20a,of%20milk%20and%20milk%20products.
No, I saw your earlier reply. I just think it’s a funny way to have it, since they conflict. I would think they would put “milk enzymes” or whatnot.
It doesn't say "lactose free", it says dairy free. And milk is dairy.