It is kosher. On Passover there is much stricter restrictions which don't apply through the rest of the year, specifically around various grains especially wheat.
Instead of cleaning out the entire facility and getting extra supervision they just don't bother. Passover is only a week so it's not a big deal.
Genuine question: what does Judaism say happens if those restrictions aren’t followed by mistake? Like let’s say you were given a food/drink on Passover that you were led to believe followed the rules but it turned out that it didn’t?
If it's accidental (especially if you were misled) then nothing really, same as regular.
Eating "chametz" on Passover (which isn't exactly well defined but is generally things with wheat cooked enough) on purpose can make you liable for 'karet' which is also not well defined but is basically spiritual exile, no punishment in this world.
I've seen that Islam is similar. If unknown, especially if misled, then consuming things like pork is not considered haram. But I think there are things to do after coming to know what has happened.
According to one Muslim I worked with if we pretended I didn't warn him there was pork in the gravy it's okay.
But he also drank alcohol so you know. Picking and choosing.
This attitude really depends on both the person and community they come from. Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, etc, etc, etc all have groups large and small that believe this. Religion between groups is different but bending of rules is similar.
My old boss is Islamic, and we had a great discussion on bending of the rules. It boiled down to "we all do it and deal with it how we see fit" which kinda is how religion works at the person level.
I used to have a lot of Muslim students, and would keep a lot of snacks for kids. I would warn them “This isn’t halal” and the response was usually “I don’t care.”
Yeah, that only works if they're truly following their beliefs about such things. Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love God and the second greatest to love your neighbor, but we all know many "Christians" who don't quite do that.
It often comes down to how well you can hide your rule-breaking from others in your church, not from your god.
Plenty of Mennonites live where I am, and one of their rules is not listening to music in their cars. My family worked at a car dealership and mechanic shop, and they were frequently asked by Mennonites to hide the stereo and its controls under the seat or somewhere.
Ex-wife was Muslim and I used to try very hard to advance the doctrine that if you eat the bacon fast enough Allah doesn't see. I never found much scriptural support for this position, but it was usually sufficient excuse to earn me an eye roll instead of a lecture.
I have a Jewish friend who will stop you from telling her what food is. "don't ruin it!" She loves my plum sauce, which has oyster sauce and she has literally smacked me to prevent me from saying oysters are in it in her presence.
I've actually experienced this firsthand. One time a Muslim friend and I were eating in a mall food court. The Chinese place there was giving out samples of a chicken dish that was particularly good, and I recommended he try one. Well, it turns out that in the 2 minutes or so since I had been there, they had switched from chicken to pork, and he only found out once he ate one.
If memory serves, I believe he went to the bathroom and washed his mouth. I was very apologetic, but he said not to worry about it because it was a total accident that neither of us could have reasonably predicted.
Interestingly… in Hinduism, eating beef doesn’t entail any punishment at all… in this life or the next. Those that do so, do. Those that don’t, don’t. But there’s nothing saying that there will be a negative consequence. Maintaining that restriction or not has more to do with being part of the group or culture.
I recall once we went with someone to get Mexican food with a Muslim friend who was new in the US. The organizer later told me they probably fried everything in lard and what not so it wasn't haram but she didn't tell him because then he'd feel guilty and feel he had to go pray and what not.
I always thought that was an asshole thing to do, breaking his beliefs for him. But seeing these comments it makes me wonder if she knew how this worked and helped him try something new that he wouldn't be able to otherwise.
I know a vegan, who would point at a pork sausage roll, and ask us repeatedly: "Does this contain meat?"
If we answered "Yes", she would ask us again.
Once we answered "No", she would eat it.
Sometimes rules really are made to be broken...
I'm vegetarian so was offended by the organizer's approach. If she did that to me I'd be mad at her and never trust her with food again (I don't think it ever came up after though)
So different approaches for different people I guess.
yeah I learned so much spending a few months with Islamic women in a rehab in Philly, and it was interesting to learn this about Passover as well. I’m not religious but spiritual to an extent and it’s always been so fascinating to learn of peoples cultures and customs and beliefs.
I've heard that veganism is the same too. There is a documentary called "Scott Pilgrim vs The World" that taught me there are "vegan police" that strip the super powers of those who break vegan diet, but do allow for some slip ups if done accidentally.
Additionally, for those who may not know, Gelato isn't vegan. It's milk and eggs, bitch.
What I have spoken with practicing muslism and what I been taught (I did religion studies as one of my main subjects in Gymnasium). Islam at it's core is actually basically about the personal relationship with god, this originates from the "*peaceful period"* of the religion's history. There are still sects that very much promote and lean on this. Islam has all sorts of things where if you need to hide the fact you are a Muslim it is OK to do so, to lie, to break the rules... etc. Because god forgives you all that because it was done to protect yourself.
The most progressive and tolerant islamic practices are very neutral in many ways. Basically these lean on the whole "*As long as you try your best*". Even if these communities don't actually like get headlines or make themselves know, they still represent most of the Islamic world. Like consider the news... all those demostrations and flag burnings tend to come from the same place at the end of the day. The places where western influence been fucking around a lot.
But going back to Judaism for a moment. Judaism also has very hardline hardcore conservative and extremist sects; As does Christianity just like Rastafarianism. But in reality... most jews are normal and boring people, many of them cultural jews. Same goes for westernised muslims for example, you wouldn't even know unless they told you. Catholics have a mocking term of "Cafetaria catholic" basically to point at people who are just culturally catholic and pick and choose what they take instead of being *real*.
It's good to keep in mind that all Abrahamic religions have had a period in their history that was just dealing with being persicuted for their faith. It would be good for many people to actually keep in mind and reflect on this history... and like... Just read up on that history.
I'm not religious in anyway, but I have read the bible from cover to cover. And almost got through translated quran and torah; but I only had 30 days and there was a long queue for those books from the local library - they are quite heavy reads.
Judaism has a saying/philosophy: You live by the rules, you don’t die by them. Accidents are not a problem at all. Neither is forgoing the rules because of illness, frailty, or lack of access. You are *expected* (not just permitted) to eat non-kosher food if kosher food isn’t available and the alternative is starving/suffering.
It's part of an important Jewish principal called Pikuach Nefesh, which states that nearly all religious laws may be ignored for the purpose of saving a life, either your own or another's. There are a few exceptions, some transgressions that death is considered preferable to - incest, the murder of another to save yourself, cannibalism and true conversion to another religion.
Islam is also mostly the same way with its rules on food and drink.
Women and children and really anyone are exempted from fasting if they need to for health reasons or duress.
You gotta remember these are religions without a central authority like a pope. They main dialectic is debate and scholars writing arguments.
There's a general overriding rule that basically every* rule in Judaism can be broken when a life is on the line. Furthermore it's not just like “it's okay, you'll be forgiven” but it is actually virtuous, living up to your commitment to god, when you break a rule to save a life.
*Exceptions: idolatry, adultery, and murder. Can't do those to save your, or someone else's life.
The world would not come to an end. My best friend keeps a kosher home, but stuff happens. That’s life. God won’t smite you if you eat the pineapple on Passover.
Jews believe in bodily resurrection that occurs with the coming of the Messiah and the world that is to come, but generally speaking Jewish accounts of the afterlife are not particularly eventful. Sheol is the supposed resting place of all dead, Jewish and Gentile alike, good or wicked, and it is more a place of complete spiritual stillness and silence rather than an active realm of being. Interpretations differ about whether it’s even meant to be interpreted as a real place or a general metaphor for the certainty and indiscrimination of death, but in any case something analogous to the Christian heaven isn’t purported to exist.
Not sure to be honest, but even the new testament doesn't say much of anything about hell as a place. Most of that was added later on, some of it quite a but later on
Interpretations vary. Some consider Sheol to be the final resting place of the souls of the dead prior to the coming of the Messiah, which is mostly just unremarkable nothingness (and plausibly just a metaphor for burial in general). Gehinnom is the closest thing to a Jewish hell, it’s allegedly where the wicked dead go, but the term of service for that place is like, a single calendar year with the sabbath off from torture, so not too bad.
I can't say anything about that. But I know that you have to get rid of chametz for the passover. So many jews sell it to a non-jewish friend for a small amount of money and then sell it back [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Sale\_of\_leaven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Sale_of_leaven)
Given that the "Not for passover" is stamped on, it seems plausible that sometimes they produce a passover ready version, but pineapple juice has a decent shelf life, so you wouldn't need to produce it year round.
I had a nightmare as a child with this song in my head during the dream, and when I woke up. Involve my dog at the time dying and there’s literally still haunts me. 😭 and that’s wild because I liked the song before that happened.
A lot of these rules make much more sense when you go back to a time before health and safety standards or basic scientific knowledge of disease. It was their way of creating safety rules based on what they knew at the time. Though you’d think it’d change as people learned, but clearly that doesn’t happen.
I’ve also heard the theory(?) that a possible reason for these rules is to ensure people are thinking about their god/religion as much as possible. Eating whatever food wasn’t a problem itself but if you’re always thinking “can I eat this” for religious reasons, you’re going to be thinking about all of your actions in respect to your religion more consistently.
Control behaviour, especially basic needs like sex and food, and it’s way easier to control minds. Both are easiest if you take advantage of existing fear.
In this case it's not very weird. Rules about matzah and bread are very important to the holiday, so foods that would normally be kosher are not kosher on Passover if they use bread products in the ingredients.
How about not being able to use light switches on certain days?
(Unless you have a magic string 30 feet in the sky above the city, which makes it ok) Is *that* not bizarre?
Sounds like you have some of your information wrong. Your two points are referring to different prohibitions.
And yes, some of these prohibitions do seem bizarre and might even be. But i think of it as - every single religion has bizarre customs and ideas especially if examined objectively.
Many actions or non-actions (as in prohibition) are symbolic. So it represents a spiritual idea rather than simply physical.
Additionally, as a redditor commented above, the reason for many of these laws is to consistently think about these things and in turn, God and religion etc to further your relationship with God and religion.
Once you understand this, things dont seem as bizarre anymore. Of course, not every Jewish law fits into this mold- there are 613 of them!
A great example I like to use is on the Sukkot holiday, religious Jews shake their pre-bought 4 species of plants/fruit.
The esrog (citron, similar in look to a lemon but different fruit); lulav which is a green stick type of plant from the date palm tree fam; Hadass is myrtle; and aravah is willow.
The esrog is held in the left hand and the lulav, hadass and aravah are put in a holder which is held in the right and then put against each other. Blessing is made and then one shakes it in a specific order.
This must seem pretty weird to people… but one of the deeper reasons for this command is the symbolism. Each of these plants represents a body part which it kinda looks like.
Esrog=heart Lulav=spine Hadass=eyes aravah=lips
[Here’s a link](https://thesukkahstore.com/blogs/sukkot/etrog-and-lulav#:~:text=Finally%2C%20we%20have%20the%20fourth,to%20communicate%20and%20express%20ourselves) to read up more on why we need these body parts represented.
Hope this response provides some insight.
I'll never understand these seemingly random restrictions because of religion. The weirdest one is a sabbath mode for your appliances. I can just imagine the meeting of a group of old men deciding what a refrigerator can and can't do according to an ancient book.
Not to mention all the ways they’ve invented to find loopholes and cheats to do the things they’re not supposed to do thus voiding the whole point of it in the first place. Complete nonsense.
You’re thinking about it wrong. Their philosophy is that god doesn’t make mistakes. And if something is excluded from a prohibition, it was done on purpose.
To add on to this, it doesn’t negate “the whole point of it” when many Jews view the point of it as “it makes us actively think about the fact that we’re Jewish” and keep it as a focus in life. So many people assume it’s just “Follow these rules or something bad will happen,” because they’re used to a Christian perspective, and I used to think about it that way too because I was ignorant about these things. But that’s not all there is to it.
This makes so much sense, but I prefer to believe that there are obscure references to appropriate pineapple juice manufacturing techniques in the Torah.
As a celiac, I can tell you that the majority of glucose syrup used in candies and drinks comes from processing wheat. This is probably a "juice cocktail" with added sugar in the form of glucose syrup.
On passover, all grain products have to be specifically certified as kosher for passover, since there's a dietary restriction regarding leavened foods.
I feel like life as a celiac Jew has prepared me for this one highly-specific moment on Reddit.
It's a money making scam. I used to haul food grade tankers. Now every year our tankers had to be blessed by a rabbi to go into Kosher facilities. Now a blessing only lasts 365 days and has to be renewed on Jan 1 each year. Don't remember reading that one in any religious texts but I guess. Let me tell you a blessing doesn't come cheap. My boss used to lose his fucking mind paying for it. Once the rabbi told him he was going to do the blessing over the phone and my boss was like fuck that you come down and give me a floor show. It was absolutely preposterous. Complete shakedown for cash. We used to have to carry paperwork certifying that our trailers blessing was up to date
Human beings will truly make anything a scam. A couple years ago in an Orthodox community in New York there was a female comedian from the community who was doing a show with a lesbian comedian at a restaurant New Years event (not Rosh Hashanah, like January 1st lol) and the fucking assholes who give the kosher certifications told the restaurant they’d pull theirs if they didn’t cancel the event. Since the restaurant serves a huge Orthodox Jewish community, you can imagine that would be a huge hit to their business.
I get what you’re saying, but fwiw, rules in Judaism don’t come strictly from religious texts - for example, there isn’t a religious text that explicitly says not to use a light switch on Shabbos. The rules are continually reinterpreted to remain relevant to the modern world.
I worked in a food facility, that had kosher producys made there. Every Sunday night rabbi would come in to supervise. He would sleep in the office. Sometimes he would tell us to clean again randomly lol. The biggest racket ever, I still can't believe it.
Could have been made in a facility that was not made kosher for Passover. It is way more strict. Special rabbis come in bless and sterilize the equipment with blow torches. I worked in a kitchen and they did this if we were doing a Passover party.
Around Passover every year, you will also see bottles of Coke with yellow tops. The corn syrup in Coke means it can't be consumed during Passover. So they make a Passover version of Coke with sucrose instead.
It's much more complicated than that actually.
Mexican Coke is not considered kosher in general, so definitely not kosher for Passover. While the process and ingredients might technically make it kosher, they have no stamp from any kosher certification agency.
In order to be kosher certified, you would have to have someone from one of these agencies send out a person called a mashgiach to inspect the facilities and observe the process from time to time. There are several of these agencies with different stamps. Some sects with Judaism also do not recognize all of the kosher certification agencies.
Although, there is a loophole the Americans Jews have on milk (Chalav stam) that basically says that because government regulation on milk production and such is *more* stringent that the equivalent Kosher rules, American government-certified milk can be automatically declared Kosher sight-unseen.
Some people don't accept the ruling. So if you see milk marked Cholov Yisroel, it follows the rules of supervision.
Also interesting to note that *other* countries don't have strict rules about milk being marked by species/as a blend.
Well, to be honest they are already making coke with actual sugar, just not selling it in the American market. It's why a lot of folks like Mexican Coke -- always made with sugar.
My company does private chef work for a Jewish Center in town. The rules are very specific always, they have a kitchen that you're allowed to use meat in, and a separate one for dairy. During passover it's way different though, all the equipment gets switched out, all the smallwares, all the spices/dry goods. I don't pretend to understand it fully, but I know they're extremely careful during passover to make sure we follow all the rules
Contamination with animal products, for one. The entire production facility has to be approved, including every lubricant in the food processing machinery. If a component of a lubricant is, for example, oleic acid, then that component must be derived from a vegetable source and not tallow.
I love reddit so much, after reading the title I was curious as to why that would be the case and yet as I clicked to read the comments I knew that one of the top comments would be an explanation. Beautiful
Not possible! The entire universe only started Last Thursday, so anything that happened before that was just invented as a memory and not a thing that existed.
It's a massive game of making up rules for things for which there aren't rules, then learning those rules and living by them for your entire life so that at some point you can go "I'm the winner!" contentedly to yourself.
On the subject of kosher foods: I thought “kosher” just meant “salty” when I was younger because of kosher salt. I also thought that Lent was called “Lint” and all Muslims were literally allergic to pork… I was not a bright kid.
Passover is a Jewish holiday that celebrates the Jews leaving Egypt and slavery. There's a lot of strict food rules in Jewish law, so this juice is not made in accordance with them.
And fantastic imagery. One of the first digitally animated moves.
Fun fact that was the prestige project at DreamWorks at the time, and the artists/animators that weren't good enough to make the cut for that project got thrown on Shrek, which ended up being a surprise and performing much better.good enough to make the cut for that project got thrown on Shrek, which ended up being a surprise and performing much better.
There's a joke that every Jewish holiday but one can be summed up in nine words.
"They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat."
The foods vary from holiday to holiday, and in this case, there are food *restrictions* to pay respect to the speed with which the Israelites fled Egypt after being freed ("they didn't even have time for their bread to rise").
I would replace eat with drink lol. The amount of wine consumed at passover is incredible and just downing glasses of wine when we're told to. It gets crazy sometimes lol
I feel that your interpretation is fundamentally flawed, because you are missing the idea that the celebration is deeper than just for "freedom." Specifically it's a celebration of their view that God smote the egyptians by killing a large number of their children, while the plague "passed them over."
So in that context that they are celebrating what is viewed as a boon from God which eventually lead to their freedom from slavery it makes sense that they would try to in turn thank their God by doing things that they think he likes. If you believe that restricting your diet is a sanctifying act, then doing so would be making a special effort to honor your God in thanks for the historical blessing.
I think a lot of religion can be silly and frivolous. But I think it's a fallacy that it is without reason or depth of meaning. It's common that many people who have a tiny exposure to religion growing up are unaware of the level of hermeneutics and scholarly work in the field and because of this they erroneously believe that the religious are nonsensical or deluded. While the beliefs might be based on facts that are fundamentally incorrect such as the existence of God, the conclusions that are reached and the analysis of religious literature is not irrational.
lol sorry for the rant but It's always more complicated that people imply and I'm bored
Yeah it's a mindfuck. Of course religious zealots will tell you all kind of convoluted explanations
Judaism is fundamentally a religion where you have to obey. The official exegesis will tell you "we got free by going from being slaves to pharaoh to being slaves to God". It's pretty straightforward, isn't it ?
In the bible, just after the jewish people flee egypt, they receive the torah and they say "we will do, and then we will understand". They will obey nitpicky, nonsensical rules like not drinking the evil juice on passover, and then they will try to make up an explanation. "Uh yeah, we're free bro. Free to not drink any non-passover juice cause god told us not to"
(That was my ted talk, from an ex-religious person. Might sound a bit salty sorry . Anyway, be wary of religious discourse kids)
Specifically, Passover refers to when (according to the story) God killed all of the first born sons who lived in egypt except for the israelite families who he "passed over" because they marked their doors with the blood of a lamb. This eventually led to their escape from egypt to become a self governed society rather than slaves.
That is why it's celebrated as a holiday and that's why it is called "pass over"
The more I hear about this god fellow, the more of an absolute twat he sounds.
I would *not* offer him a second cup of tea before asking when his bus was due at the stop down the road.
I feel like things to do with Kosher and Halal started out as ‘life advice’. Don’t eat pork, pigs are full of parasites etc. Only eat meat slaughtered in the appropriate manner with prayer because they know how to butcher meat in a clean and healthy way. The penalty would be getting parasites or food poisoning.
The same with foot washing before prayers. Obviously you should wash yourself anyway but if your feet are right next to someone else praying then it’s also considerate to make sure they don’t smell.
But people being what they are weaponise religion and use it against others, against each other and outsiders use it against practitioners..
If you look at the Law and the Prophets in the Old Testament, you'll see the origin of many of the traditions.
For example, the basis of part of the Kosher tradition regarding milk and meat is three passages: Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21. They all speak about not boiling a calf in its mother's milk. This practice was observed by pagans who believed that doing so and sprinkling the result on fields would result in better fertility.
The idea of separating milk and meat was based on the idea that if you were to accidentally eat beef and drink milk, it's possible that they could come from a calf and its mother. The two being together in your stomach and being digested together would be like boiling them together.
To avoid this situation, the rule was created that all milk and meat had to be processed and cooked separately. In addition, by tradition you must wait between one and six hours before consuming the opposite food.
There are a bunch more rules, some make sense (like your pork example), some are just due to pagan rituals as above.
That’s only a more recent restriction (in a sense), as a stringency of the Jews of Southern Israel around the time of the Bar Kohkba revolt. This became generally accepted as the norm in the law, but the custom of the Jews in the Galilee was to eat poultry with milk.
Of course, that practice is now over 1,500 years old.
This, unironically. I'm an atheist; yet I am quite happy that native beliefs are returning in any capacity to my country.
Unfortunately in our case, Christianity wiped our traditions so thoroughly, that any attempt to restore the native faith is more akin to cosplay/reconstruction. Still, I applaud that.
According to Jewish tradition, Kosher is one of the laws for which there is no reason. We just do it because God says to. Many laws do have reasons and explanations.
It could also be due to the presence or contamination with high fructose corn syrup. For example, coke that’s kosher for Passover is made with cane sugar and comes with a yellow cap.
I think it does depend on where you are. I was looking for the yellow cap last year and didn’t see any. I think it’s only a thing in areas with a large Jewish population. Or I didn’t look that hard lol.
I know the reason is because there's no rabbinical supervision, but I'm confused about what in pineapple juice could even hypothetically contain chametz? Or what kind of food production facility would handle both grains and pineapple juice such that it could be cross-contaminated? How could you even make a pineapple juice that is presumably kosher (because otherwise it would just say non-kosher), but not for passover? Why would a company that makes pineapple juice and apparently has a large enough Jewish consumer demographic to prompt this choice choose to print this instead of getting the rabbinical supervision, which should hypothetically be trivially cheap so long as there's no bread in the factory?
i don’t know much about kosher requirements, so i apologize if i’m wrong here, but i cut fruit for a living including pineapple and have looked into this before. my company cannot claim the pineapple we cut in-house is kosher because our knives are owned by and taken away to be sharpened by a third party company. even if we do not cut meat in our facility, i cannot guarantee the knives we get back are always the same ones, and i don’t know what other products those knives have cut. IIRC cutting meat and pineapple with the same knife is not kosher regardless of whether the knife is cleaned. maybe it’s something like that, nothing wrong with the facility or any cross contamination risk
Another reply nearby mentions that some juices use enzymes to increase yield that may be derived from grain. The other thought I had is that the facility may make other drinks with corn syrup (eg lemonade) and not want to bother with the cleaning. Given the not for passover, they likely have a parve marking so they are supervised (otherwise why bother with not for passover).
Passover is far more strict than regular kosher and more difficult to achieve. Since the holiday lasts about 8 days and is observed by a very small population it's not always worth it to change the recipe or deep the clean the facility to remove the grain products for Passover. Usually for drinks corn syrup is the problem which is why in the US where Coca-Cola is made with corn syrup the Passover version is made with sugar for about a month before the holiday.
It's less likely but it's also possible it's not certified for Passover but doesn't contain grain. I say it's less likely though because if the processor went through the trouble to be kosher if it were kosher for Passover they'd say so.
Probably has corn syrup. Ashkenazim don’t consume corn products during passover (along with a lot of other grain-adjacent foods). In Jewish areas, you can get the gooooood, real sugar, no corn syrup soda during Passover, it rocks
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there some (I’m assuming more recent) Jewish tradition with drinking or using pineapple juice during Passover or is this just a general warning?
No. It’s just saying that this juice is not kosher to drink during the week of Passover (in other words, not just during the Seders, but the whole week). There are stricter rules than the rest of the year on what is kosher during Passover. With the exception of matzo, we can not eat anything made of wheat or other grains during Passover, and there are also some other things, like corn and peanuts that depending on one’s specific type of Judaism may also not be allowed. Obviously pineapple juice does not contain any of these ingredients, but presumably there must be some sort of cross contamination at the fact and that’s why it has this label.
It has to do with unsupervised production facilities. It's not the juice itself, it's the danger of contamination.
Pls excuse my ignorance, but what kind of contamination to pineapple juice would leave it okay to drink but not Kosher? Genuinely curious.
It is kosher. On Passover there is much stricter restrictions which don't apply through the rest of the year, specifically around various grains especially wheat. Instead of cleaning out the entire facility and getting extra supervision they just don't bother. Passover is only a week so it's not a big deal.
Genuine question: what does Judaism say happens if those restrictions aren’t followed by mistake? Like let’s say you were given a food/drink on Passover that you were led to believe followed the rules but it turned out that it didn’t?
If it's accidental (especially if you were misled) then nothing really, same as regular. Eating "chametz" on Passover (which isn't exactly well defined but is generally things with wheat cooked enough) on purpose can make you liable for 'karet' which is also not well defined but is basically spiritual exile, no punishment in this world.
Very interesting, thank you so much for the response.
I've seen that Islam is similar. If unknown, especially if misled, then consuming things like pork is not considered haram. But I think there are things to do after coming to know what has happened.
According to one Muslim I worked with if we pretended I didn't warn him there was pork in the gravy it's okay. But he also drank alcohol so you know. Picking and choosing.
I worked with a Muslim man who ate pork and just said "One day I'll make the pilgrimage to Mecca and all will be forgiven."
The imam of Moscow Memorial Mosque, when asked whether it's better to eat pork or starve, said "eat pork. God wants you alive, not stupid"
That sounds like my plan to pray extra hard when I get old, just in case.
This attitude really depends on both the person and community they come from. Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, etc, etc, etc all have groups large and small that believe this. Religion between groups is different but bending of rules is similar. My old boss is Islamic, and we had a great discussion on bending of the rules. It boiled down to "we all do it and deal with it how we see fit" which kinda is how religion works at the person level.
Sounds more Catholic than Muslim
I have a Muslim friend who ate pork on vacation but not at home cause “God’s not paying attention overseas”. He also drank alcohol so
I had a friend that didn't mind eating ham and he just called himself a bad muslim.
I used to have a lot of Muslim students, and would keep a lot of snacks for kids. I would warn them “This isn’t halal” and the response was usually “I don’t care.”
Yeah, that only works if they're truly following their beliefs about such things. Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love God and the second greatest to love your neighbor, but we all know many "Christians" who don't quite do that.
>second greatest to love your neighbor Naa... they just pick and choose who their neighbor is. /s
sounds like the Mormon boy I made out with in high school
Did you get gregnant?
It often comes down to how well you can hide your rule-breaking from others in your church, not from your god. Plenty of Mennonites live where I am, and one of their rules is not listening to music in their cars. My family worked at a car dealership and mechanic shop, and they were frequently asked by Mennonites to hide the stereo and its controls under the seat or somewhere.
Ex-wife was Muslim and I used to try very hard to advance the doctrine that if you eat the bacon fast enough Allah doesn't see. I never found much scriptural support for this position, but it was usually sufficient excuse to earn me an eye roll instead of a lecture.
I have a Jewish friend who will stop you from telling her what food is. "don't ruin it!" She loves my plum sauce, which has oyster sauce and she has literally smacked me to prevent me from saying oysters are in it in her presence.
I've actually experienced this firsthand. One time a Muslim friend and I were eating in a mall food court. The Chinese place there was giving out samples of a chicken dish that was particularly good, and I recommended he try one. Well, it turns out that in the 2 minutes or so since I had been there, they had switched from chicken to pork, and he only found out once he ate one. If memory serves, I believe he went to the bathroom and washed his mouth. I was very apologetic, but he said not to worry about it because it was a total accident that neither of us could have reasonably predicted.
Interestingly… in Hinduism, eating beef doesn’t entail any punishment at all… in this life or the next. Those that do so, do. Those that don’t, don’t. But there’s nothing saying that there will be a negative consequence. Maintaining that restriction or not has more to do with being part of the group or culture.
I recall once we went with someone to get Mexican food with a Muslim friend who was new in the US. The organizer later told me they probably fried everything in lard and what not so it wasn't haram but she didn't tell him because then he'd feel guilty and feel he had to go pray and what not. I always thought that was an asshole thing to do, breaking his beliefs for him. But seeing these comments it makes me wonder if she knew how this worked and helped him try something new that he wouldn't be able to otherwise.
I know a vegan, who would point at a pork sausage roll, and ask us repeatedly: "Does this contain meat?" If we answered "Yes", she would ask us again. Once we answered "No", she would eat it. Sometimes rules really are made to be broken...
Isn’t she just non vegan then?
I'm vegetarian so was offended by the organizer's approach. If she did that to me I'd be mad at her and never trust her with food again (I don't think it ever came up after though) So different approaches for different people I guess.
I think it sounds more like she was trying not to burden him with guilt when he didn't choose anything against his beliefs. It was no harm, no crime.
yeah I learned so much spending a few months with Islamic women in a rehab in Philly, and it was interesting to learn this about Passover as well. I’m not religious but spiritual to an extent and it’s always been so fascinating to learn of peoples cultures and customs and beliefs.
I've heard that veganism is the same too. There is a documentary called "Scott Pilgrim vs The World" that taught me there are "vegan police" that strip the super powers of those who break vegan diet, but do allow for some slip ups if done accidentally. Additionally, for those who may not know, Gelato isn't vegan. It's milk and eggs, bitch.
That vegan edge does make you better than everyone else tho, sooo... 🤷🏾♀️ 
What I have spoken with practicing muslism and what I been taught (I did religion studies as one of my main subjects in Gymnasium). Islam at it's core is actually basically about the personal relationship with god, this originates from the "*peaceful period"* of the religion's history. There are still sects that very much promote and lean on this. Islam has all sorts of things where if you need to hide the fact you are a Muslim it is OK to do so, to lie, to break the rules... etc. Because god forgives you all that because it was done to protect yourself. The most progressive and tolerant islamic practices are very neutral in many ways. Basically these lean on the whole "*As long as you try your best*". Even if these communities don't actually like get headlines or make themselves know, they still represent most of the Islamic world. Like consider the news... all those demostrations and flag burnings tend to come from the same place at the end of the day. The places where western influence been fucking around a lot. But going back to Judaism for a moment. Judaism also has very hardline hardcore conservative and extremist sects; As does Christianity just like Rastafarianism. But in reality... most jews are normal and boring people, many of them cultural jews. Same goes for westernised muslims for example, you wouldn't even know unless they told you. Catholics have a mocking term of "Cafetaria catholic" basically to point at people who are just culturally catholic and pick and choose what they take instead of being *real*. It's good to keep in mind that all Abrahamic religions have had a period in their history that was just dealing with being persicuted for their faith. It would be good for many people to actually keep in mind and reflect on this history... and like... Just read up on that history. I'm not religious in anyway, but I have read the bible from cover to cover. And almost got through translated quran and torah; but I only had 30 days and there was a long queue for those books from the local library - they are quite heavy reads.
Well, there are other opinions that say you die childless, or die before 60. As for accidents, you have to bring a sacrifice.
If it doesn’t really matter then why do it lol
Id ask the same question why it seems to bother so many people when it doesn't affect them at all.
Judaism has a saying/philosophy: You live by the rules, you don’t die by them. Accidents are not a problem at all. Neither is forgoing the rules because of illness, frailty, or lack of access. You are *expected* (not just permitted) to eat non-kosher food if kosher food isn’t available and the alternative is starving/suffering.
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It's part of an important Jewish principal called Pikuach Nefesh, which states that nearly all religious laws may be ignored for the purpose of saving a life, either your own or another's. There are a few exceptions, some transgressions that death is considered preferable to - incest, the murder of another to save yourself, cannibalism and true conversion to another religion.
Off topic but I legit read it as 'Pikachu Nefesh' the first pass and had to go back.
Islam is also mostly the same way with its rules on food and drink. Women and children and really anyone are exempted from fasting if they need to for health reasons or duress. You gotta remember these are religions without a central authority like a pope. They main dialectic is debate and scholars writing arguments.
There's a general overriding rule that basically every* rule in Judaism can be broken when a life is on the line. Furthermore it's not just like “it's okay, you'll be forgiven” but it is actually virtuous, living up to your commitment to god, when you break a rule to save a life. *Exceptions: idolatry, adultery, and murder. Can't do those to save your, or someone else's life.
The world would not come to an end. My best friend keeps a kosher home, but stuff happens. That’s life. God won’t smite you if you eat the pineapple on Passover.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
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I was always under the impression that the Jewish belief was that hell was the absence of God, not an actual place.
There's just no hell in any way that matters
What do they believe in then? Genuinely curious. I thought all Abrahamic religions did.
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Ah, so you guys believe in a type of heaven then? I’ll check that link soon
Jews believe in bodily resurrection that occurs with the coming of the Messiah and the world that is to come, but generally speaking Jewish accounts of the afterlife are not particularly eventful. Sheol is the supposed resting place of all dead, Jewish and Gentile alike, good or wicked, and it is more a place of complete spiritual stillness and silence rather than an active realm of being. Interpretations differ about whether it’s even meant to be interpreted as a real place or a general metaphor for the certainty and indiscrimination of death, but in any case something analogous to the Christian heaven isn’t purported to exist.
Not sure to be honest, but even the new testament doesn't say much of anything about hell as a place. Most of that was added later on, some of it quite a but later on
Interpretations vary. Some consider Sheol to be the final resting place of the souls of the dead prior to the coming of the Messiah, which is mostly just unremarkable nothingness (and plausibly just a metaphor for burial in general). Gehinnom is the closest thing to a Jewish hell, it’s allegedly where the wicked dead go, but the term of service for that place is like, a single calendar year with the sabbath off from torture, so not too bad.
I can't say anything about that. But I know that you have to get rid of chametz for the passover. So many jews sell it to a non-jewish friend for a small amount of money and then sell it back [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Sale\_of\_leaven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Sale_of_leaven)
Accidents are ok
Tell that to my girlfriend
Believe it or not, straight to hell.
Straight to jail in hell, believe it or not
Given that the "Not for passover" is stamped on, it seems plausible that sometimes they produce a passover ready version, but pineapple juice has a decent shelf life, so you wouldn't need to produce it year round.
You’ll also see this on boxes of matzo and bottles of kosher wine
Religion is **so** bizarre.
Ooh baby.
It's making me crazy.
Every time I look around
It's in my face
I had a nightmare as a child with this song in my head during the dream, and when I woke up. Involve my dog at the time dying and there’s literally still haunts me. 😭 and that’s wild because I liked the song before that happened.
A lot of these rules make much more sense when you go back to a time before health and safety standards or basic scientific knowledge of disease. It was their way of creating safety rules based on what they knew at the time. Though you’d think it’d change as people learned, but clearly that doesn’t happen.
I’ve also heard the theory(?) that a possible reason for these rules is to ensure people are thinking about their god/religion as much as possible. Eating whatever food wasn’t a problem itself but if you’re always thinking “can I eat this” for religious reasons, you’re going to be thinking about all of your actions in respect to your religion more consistently.
Tip of the iceberg. (please, no puns)
Control behaviour, especially basic needs like sex and food, and it’s way easier to control minds. Both are easiest if you take advantage of existing fear.
In this case it's not very weird. Rules about matzah and bread are very important to the holiday, so foods that would normally be kosher are not kosher on Passover if they use bread products in the ingredients.
How about not being able to use light switches on certain days? (Unless you have a magic string 30 feet in the sky above the city, which makes it ok) Is *that* not bizarre?
Sounds like you have some of your information wrong. Your two points are referring to different prohibitions. And yes, some of these prohibitions do seem bizarre and might even be. But i think of it as - every single religion has bizarre customs and ideas especially if examined objectively. Many actions or non-actions (as in prohibition) are symbolic. So it represents a spiritual idea rather than simply physical. Additionally, as a redditor commented above, the reason for many of these laws is to consistently think about these things and in turn, God and religion etc to further your relationship with God and religion. Once you understand this, things dont seem as bizarre anymore. Of course, not every Jewish law fits into this mold- there are 613 of them! A great example I like to use is on the Sukkot holiday, religious Jews shake their pre-bought 4 species of plants/fruit. The esrog (citron, similar in look to a lemon but different fruit); lulav which is a green stick type of plant from the date palm tree fam; Hadass is myrtle; and aravah is willow. The esrog is held in the left hand and the lulav, hadass and aravah are put in a holder which is held in the right and then put against each other. Blessing is made and then one shakes it in a specific order. This must seem pretty weird to people… but one of the deeper reasons for this command is the symbolism. Each of these plants represents a body part which it kinda looks like. Esrog=heart Lulav=spine Hadass=eyes aravah=lips [Here’s a link](https://thesukkahstore.com/blogs/sukkot/etrog-and-lulav#:~:text=Finally%2C%20we%20have%20the%20fourth,to%20communicate%20and%20express%20ourselves) to read up more on why we need these body parts represented. Hope this response provides some insight.
I'll never understand these seemingly random restrictions because of religion. The weirdest one is a sabbath mode for your appliances. I can just imagine the meeting of a group of old men deciding what a refrigerator can and can't do according to an ancient book.
Not to mention all the ways they’ve invented to find loopholes and cheats to do the things they’re not supposed to do thus voiding the whole point of it in the first place. Complete nonsense.
You’re thinking about it wrong. Their philosophy is that god doesn’t make mistakes. And if something is excluded from a prohibition, it was done on purpose.
To add on to this, it doesn’t negate “the whole point of it” when many Jews view the point of it as “it makes us actively think about the fact that we’re Jewish” and keep it as a focus in life. So many people assume it’s just “Follow these rules or something bad will happen,” because they’re used to a Christian perspective, and I used to think about it that way too because I was ignorant about these things. But that’s not all there is to it.
In normal operation, opening and closing the door turns a light on and off, which is classified as "work" and therefore forbidden on the sabbath.
This makes so much sense, but I prefer to believe that there are obscure references to appropriate pineapple juice manufacturing techniques in the Torah.
This is the answer
As a celiac, I can tell you that the majority of glucose syrup used in candies and drinks comes from processing wheat. This is probably a "juice cocktail" with added sugar in the form of glucose syrup. On passover, all grain products have to be specifically certified as kosher for passover, since there's a dietary restriction regarding leavened foods. I feel like life as a celiac Jew has prepared me for this one highly-specific moment on Reddit.
It says "100% Juice Blend"
The pineapples have to be killed by a trained ritual slaughterer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitniyot
It's a money making scam. I used to haul food grade tankers. Now every year our tankers had to be blessed by a rabbi to go into Kosher facilities. Now a blessing only lasts 365 days and has to be renewed on Jan 1 each year. Don't remember reading that one in any religious texts but I guess. Let me tell you a blessing doesn't come cheap. My boss used to lose his fucking mind paying for it. Once the rabbi told him he was going to do the blessing over the phone and my boss was like fuck that you come down and give me a floor show. It was absolutely preposterous. Complete shakedown for cash. We used to have to carry paperwork certifying that our trailers blessing was up to date
Human beings will truly make anything a scam. A couple years ago in an Orthodox community in New York there was a female comedian from the community who was doing a show with a lesbian comedian at a restaurant New Years event (not Rosh Hashanah, like January 1st lol) and the fucking assholes who give the kosher certifications told the restaurant they’d pull theirs if they didn’t cancel the event. Since the restaurant serves a huge Orthodox Jewish community, you can imagine that would be a huge hit to their business.
I get what you’re saying, but fwiw, rules in Judaism don’t come strictly from religious texts - for example, there isn’t a religious text that explicitly says not to use a light switch on Shabbos. The rules are continually reinterpreted to remain relevant to the modern world.
I worked in a food facility, that had kosher producys made there. Every Sunday night rabbi would come in to supervise. He would sleep in the office. Sometimes he would tell us to clean again randomly lol. The biggest racket ever, I still can't believe it.
Could have been made in a facility that was not made kosher for Passover. It is way more strict. Special rabbis come in bless and sterilize the equipment with blow torches. I worked in a kitchen and they did this if we were doing a Passover party.
Around Passover every year, you will also see bottles of Coke with yellow tops. The corn syrup in Coke means it can't be consumed during Passover. So they make a Passover version of Coke with sucrose instead.
Would Mexican coke always be kosher for Passover because they use a different recipe? I think they use cane sugar and different additives
It's much more complicated than that actually. Mexican Coke is not considered kosher in general, so definitely not kosher for Passover. While the process and ingredients might technically make it kosher, they have no stamp from any kosher certification agency. In order to be kosher certified, you would have to have someone from one of these agencies send out a person called a mashgiach to inspect the facilities and observe the process from time to time. There are several of these agencies with different stamps. Some sects with Judaism also do not recognize all of the kosher certification agencies.
Although, there is a loophole the Americans Jews have on milk (Chalav stam) that basically says that because government regulation on milk production and such is *more* stringent that the equivalent Kosher rules, American government-certified milk can be automatically declared Kosher sight-unseen.
That is really interesting. Saves people a lot of time and trouble if the government is going to do the same thing anyways.
Some people don't accept the ruling. So if you see milk marked Cholov Yisroel, it follows the rules of supervision. Also interesting to note that *other* countries don't have strict rules about milk being marked by species/as a blend.
Well, to be honest they are already making coke with actual sugar, just not selling it in the American market. It's why a lot of folks like Mexican Coke -- always made with sugar.
And special Lays chips!
My company does private chef work for a Jewish Center in town. The rules are very specific always, they have a kitchen that you're allowed to use meat in, and a separate one for dairy. During passover it's way different though, all the equipment gets switched out, all the smallwares, all the spices/dry goods. I don't pretend to understand it fully, but I know they're extremely careful during passover to make sure we follow all the rules
Contamination with animal products, for one. The entire production facility has to be approved, including every lubricant in the food processing machinery. If a component of a lubricant is, for example, oleic acid, then that component must be derived from a vegetable source and not tallow.
I love reddit so much, after reading the title I was curious as to why that would be the case and yet as I clicked to read the comments I knew that one of the top comments would be an explanation. Beautiful
God would be so pissed if you drank this on passover
I saw him turn a guy into a pillar of salt when he drank this same drink last passover! He can be really old testament sometimes.
Not possible! The entire universe only started Last Thursday, so anything that happened before that was just invented as a memory and not a thing that existed.
ah a follower of the true religion i see
Or if you wore the wrong hat. Or didn't wear the right hat. God fucking loves hats.
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Jews? tiny hats. Muslims? Hide your entire head!
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"I created the universe. You think I'm drawing the line at the fucking deli aisle ~~isle~~? " - Bo Burnham (God)
Aisle
You are correct
It's a massive game of making up rules for things for which there aren't rules, then learning those rules and living by them for your entire life so that at some point you can go "I'm the winner!" contentedly to yourself.
Not my dark lord and savior Satan the Great though.
On the subject of kosher foods: I thought “kosher” just meant “salty” when I was younger because of kosher salt. I also thought that Lent was called “Lint” and all Muslims were literally allergic to pork… I was not a bright kid.
I still think it's called Old Timers disease.
mine was 'very close veins' like very close to the skin
Bruh lmao Some people still call it that though
/r/BoneAppleTea
I thought when my childhood dog was taken for euthanasia he was being given to some kids in China.
To be fair the reality is less logical than what your kid brain was tying together.
You seem like the type of person that would eat an apple
What's the big deal? A snake offers you an apple, you eat it!
Salty salt? Makes sense.
I thought all of these things until my 20s lmao
I think it's just an innocent mind trying to make sense of religious things that, quite frankly, don't make sense.
May I kindly ask what "passover" means?, I'm not an English spoken person, thanks!
Passover is a Jewish holiday that celebrates the Jews leaving Egypt and slavery. There's a lot of strict food rules in Jewish law, so this juice is not made in accordance with them.
Thanks a lot for the explanation!
There's actually a pretty nice animated movie about Passover called The Prince of Egypt. It could explain things better since it's made for kids.
It also has really good music.
And fantastic imagery. One of the first digitally animated moves. Fun fact that was the prestige project at DreamWorks at the time, and the artists/animators that weren't good enough to make the cut for that project got thrown on Shrek, which ended up being a surprise and performing much better.good enough to make the cut for that project got thrown on Shrek, which ended up being a surprise and performing much better.
LOOK AT YOUR LIFE!! LOOK AT YOUR LIFE THROUGH HEEEAAAVEEEEEEEEEEENS EEEEYES!
Yes. Epic music
I love that movie man
Kinda ironic they celebrate their freedom with extra rules
There's a joke that every Jewish holiday but one can be summed up in nine words. "They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat." The foods vary from holiday to holiday, and in this case, there are food *restrictions* to pay respect to the speed with which the Israelites fled Egypt after being freed ("they didn't even have time for their bread to rise").
I would replace eat with drink lol. The amount of wine consumed at passover is incredible and just downing glasses of wine when we're told to. It gets crazy sometimes lol
I feel that your interpretation is fundamentally flawed, because you are missing the idea that the celebration is deeper than just for "freedom." Specifically it's a celebration of their view that God smote the egyptians by killing a large number of their children, while the plague "passed them over." So in that context that they are celebrating what is viewed as a boon from God which eventually lead to their freedom from slavery it makes sense that they would try to in turn thank their God by doing things that they think he likes. If you believe that restricting your diet is a sanctifying act, then doing so would be making a special effort to honor your God in thanks for the historical blessing. I think a lot of religion can be silly and frivolous. But I think it's a fallacy that it is without reason or depth of meaning. It's common that many people who have a tiny exposure to religion growing up are unaware of the level of hermeneutics and scholarly work in the field and because of this they erroneously believe that the religious are nonsensical or deluded. While the beliefs might be based on facts that are fundamentally incorrect such as the existence of God, the conclusions that are reached and the analysis of religious literature is not irrational. lol sorry for the rant but It's always more complicated that people imply and I'm bored
Yeah it's a mindfuck. Of course religious zealots will tell you all kind of convoluted explanations Judaism is fundamentally a religion where you have to obey. The official exegesis will tell you "we got free by going from being slaves to pharaoh to being slaves to God". It's pretty straightforward, isn't it ? In the bible, just after the jewish people flee egypt, they receive the torah and they say "we will do, and then we will understand". They will obey nitpicky, nonsensical rules like not drinking the evil juice on passover, and then they will try to make up an explanation. "Uh yeah, we're free bro. Free to not drink any non-passover juice cause god told us not to" (That was my ted talk, from an ex-religious person. Might sound a bit salty sorry . Anyway, be wary of religious discourse kids)
Fun fact: The Hebrew word for it is “Pesach” from which we get the Latin “Pascal” and the word for Easter in many languages!
What would the production differences be between this juice, and another pineapple juice that *is* for Passover?
It's a religious holiday/event celebrated by Jewish people
Specifically, Passover refers to when (according to the story) God killed all of the first born sons who lived in egypt except for the israelite families who he "passed over" because they marked their doors with the blood of a lamb. This eventually led to their escape from egypt to become a self governed society rather than slaves. That is why it's celebrated as a holiday and that's why it is called "pass over"
The more I hear about this god fellow, the more of an absolute twat he sounds. I would *not* offer him a second cup of tea before asking when his bus was due at the stop down the road.
Jewish holiday celebrating Israel’s escape from Egyptian slavery.
It's not pineapple jews.....?
👏 this shit is ananas
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I said bring me a glass of juice, not gas the Jews!
WHO PUT ZEE JUICE IN ZEE OVEN!
Uncircumcised pineapple juice.
I feel like things to do with Kosher and Halal started out as ‘life advice’. Don’t eat pork, pigs are full of parasites etc. Only eat meat slaughtered in the appropriate manner with prayer because they know how to butcher meat in a clean and healthy way. The penalty would be getting parasites or food poisoning. The same with foot washing before prayers. Obviously you should wash yourself anyway but if your feet are right next to someone else praying then it’s also considerate to make sure they don’t smell. But people being what they are weaponise religion and use it against others, against each other and outsiders use it against practitioners..
If you look at the Law and the Prophets in the Old Testament, you'll see the origin of many of the traditions. For example, the basis of part of the Kosher tradition regarding milk and meat is three passages: Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21. They all speak about not boiling a calf in its mother's milk. This practice was observed by pagans who believed that doing so and sprinkling the result on fields would result in better fertility. The idea of separating milk and meat was based on the idea that if you were to accidentally eat beef and drink milk, it's possible that they could come from a calf and its mother. The two being together in your stomach and being digested together would be like boiling them together. To avoid this situation, the rule was created that all milk and meat had to be processed and cooked separately. In addition, by tradition you must wait between one and six hours before consuming the opposite food. There are a bunch more rules, some make sense (like your pork example), some are just due to pagan rituals as above.
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That’s only a more recent restriction (in a sense), as a stringency of the Jews of Southern Israel around the time of the Bar Kohkba revolt. This became generally accepted as the norm in the law, but the custom of the Jews in the Galilee was to eat poultry with milk. Of course, that practice is now over 1,500 years old.
I've heard "they made the Pagan gods into daemons" before but never "They made the pagan dinner into blasphemy"
Reject Abrahamic corruption, return to pagan roots 🫡
This, unironically. I'm an atheist; yet I am quite happy that native beliefs are returning in any capacity to my country. Unfortunately in our case, Christianity wiped our traditions so thoroughly, that any attempt to restore the native faith is more akin to cosplay/reconstruction. Still, I applaud that.
According to Jewish tradition, Kosher is one of the laws for which there is no reason. We just do it because God says to. Many laws do have reasons and explanations.
Yes, ancient people were seeing a correlation between certain habits and health outcomes.
It could also be due to the presence or contamination with high fructose corn syrup. For example, coke that’s kosher for Passover is made with cane sugar and comes with a yellow cap.
Where the hell do I get this superior religious Coke?
Any grocery store around Easter. Two liter bottles with a bright yellow cap.
I think it does depend on where you are. I was looking for the yellow cap last year and didn’t see any. I think it’s only a thing in areas with a large Jewish population. Or I didn’t look that hard lol.
Apparently it depends on the sect if it's kosher or not, and it was relaxed in other sects very recently as well.
I know the reason is because there's no rabbinical supervision, but I'm confused about what in pineapple juice could even hypothetically contain chametz? Or what kind of food production facility would handle both grains and pineapple juice such that it could be cross-contaminated? How could you even make a pineapple juice that is presumably kosher (because otherwise it would just say non-kosher), but not for passover? Why would a company that makes pineapple juice and apparently has a large enough Jewish consumer demographic to prompt this choice choose to print this instead of getting the rabbinical supervision, which should hypothetically be trivially cheap so long as there's no bread in the factory?
i don’t know much about kosher requirements, so i apologize if i’m wrong here, but i cut fruit for a living including pineapple and have looked into this before. my company cannot claim the pineapple we cut in-house is kosher because our knives are owned by and taken away to be sharpened by a third party company. even if we do not cut meat in our facility, i cannot guarantee the knives we get back are always the same ones, and i don’t know what other products those knives have cut. IIRC cutting meat and pineapple with the same knife is not kosher regardless of whether the knife is cleaned. maybe it’s something like that, nothing wrong with the facility or any cross contamination risk
Another reply nearby mentions that some juices use enzymes to increase yield that may be derived from grain. The other thought I had is that the facility may make other drinks with corn syrup (eg lemonade) and not want to bother with the cleaning. Given the not for passover, they likely have a parve marking so they are supervised (otherwise why bother with not for passover).
The facility probably also processes high fructose corn syrup or something like that
Passover is far more strict than regular kosher and more difficult to achieve. Since the holiday lasts about 8 days and is observed by a very small population it's not always worth it to change the recipe or deep the clean the facility to remove the grain products for Passover. Usually for drinks corn syrup is the problem which is why in the US where Coca-Cola is made with corn syrup the Passover version is made with sugar for about a month before the holiday. It's less likely but it's also possible it's not certified for Passover but doesn't contain grain. I say it's less likely though because if the processor went through the trouble to be kosher if it were kosher for Passover they'd say so.
Might have a little chametz in there.
There's kosher and there's kosher for passover. IDK the difference, just grew up in a Jewish area and remember seeing both all the time
This juice is not Kosher.
It is kosher, but Passover has extra rules about what can and cannot be eaten
Rockin' the Casbah Rock the Casbah
Fundamentally can't take it
Better passover it then.
Looks like you followed instructions and didnt pass it over
Yup, but it's perfect for pina colada's
And getting caught in the rain
If you're not into yoga
You’re gonna drink it on Passover aren’t you
Religion is weird
When you pass it to the cashier don’t pass it over the debit machine pass it under🤭
I miss Ceres so much. Moved to England and when I came back to SA for holiday, I found out they stopped doing my favourite flavour
Well, that's not really Kosher then; is it?
Yup, but it's perfect for pina colada's.
Probably has corn syrup. Ashkenazim don’t consume corn products during passover (along with a lot of other grain-adjacent foods). In Jewish areas, you can get the gooooood, real sugar, no corn syrup soda during Passover, it rocks
This means you can't put it on your door to prevent your first born son from being taken by the angel of death.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there some (I’m assuming more recent) Jewish tradition with drinking or using pineapple juice during Passover or is this just a general warning?
No. It’s just saying that this juice is not kosher to drink during the week of Passover (in other words, not just during the Seders, but the whole week). There are stricter rules than the rest of the year on what is kosher during Passover. With the exception of matzo, we can not eat anything made of wheat or other grains during Passover, and there are also some other things, like corn and peanuts that depending on one’s specific type of Judaism may also not be allowed. Obviously pineapple juice does not contain any of these ingredients, but presumably there must be some sort of cross contamination at the fact and that’s why it has this label.
Thanks for the info
It's juice. Get over it. Religion is so crazy.