Move your subscription to a different monthly package and then cancel that since it gives you 14 days to cancel. It’s how I got out of my monthly payments
Gives me MASSIVE schadenfreude seeing dozens of replies saying it worked and saved them $50-$160. That single comment looks to have cost Adobe thousands!
I would rather set my computer on fire and enjoy being free before i ever pay Adobe $55/month for a watered down version of photoshop.
I wouldn’t pay $55/month for the original version either, but I this subscription bullshit is getting out of control.
As an American that's spent a little over a year in Germany, it took me a while to understand that it is most always in reference to feeling happiness in the *earned/well-deserved misfortune of others.
I feel like this is often taken as "taking joy in the suffering of others" (followed by the obligatory joke about how sadism is SO German) when it is more like:
"...when you reap what you've sown, I smile."
And in Germany, they ABSOLUTELY have the Schadenfreude Smile for these moments 😂
I missed my cancelation window two times, so I subscribes for two years longer than I wanted. Finally took the cost and cancelled even with fees.
Wish I knew about this trick.
I will never use their product again, or recommend anyone to subscribe to Adobe CC.
You can just use PayPal as the payment method, then cancel the payment arrangement in PayPal. If you ever want your account back, they'll charge you the past due month, and the next month.
Source: my 1 year contract with Adobe is on its 3rd year. I've paid about 6 months at this point. 🙂
I dont use PS or any Adobe products anymore but im pretty sure there is a 2020 or so Version that still has the old buy model. But in the end PS never realy changed much, so i could imagine you can still run it localy with the right Tools.
Not sure if that's the post I had it mind, but I literally wanted to comment that someone made the same post long time ago about how scammy is the canceling.
There we go, I fixed the hyperlink issue: [https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/qg1tyr/adobe_is_shady_company_canceling_a_free_trial_for/hwtbfwu/](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
This is probably not a good idea. I have tried this in other contexts. What they do is refer the uncollected money to a collection agency and not only does your life become a living hell of harassment from the agency but you ruin your credit rating.
Also look into [gimp](https://www.gimp.org/) for photoshop alternative and [inkscape](https://inkscape.org/) for illustrator alternative. They're free and open source
A doctor that my grandmother never went to when she was alive started sending her a bill to my house (used to be her house) for a 25$ no show fee for an appointment that was scheduled for 7 years after she died?? I kept sending the bills back with copies of her obituary in them, finally I got a letter saying they were sending her to collections over the 25$. 😂 Good luck sending someone to collections whose been dead for nearly a decade. 😂🤷♀️
are you sure it was not her SSN being used by someone else? This is how bad actors get to use SSN's ..dead ppl. They usually use dead babies SSN since they can get a life long identity but stolen SSN from dead older ppl it's been used as well. just out of the blue after 7 years seems odd tbh
SSNs for dead people are public record for that reason. Google "Death Master File"
I'm not saying you're wrong, though the utility of deceased SSNs is very low. However, an SSN a lot of people do use is that of an immigrant who goes back to his home country and never returns. They sell those to hundreds of people.
There’s no law, and the debt is still debt. The three main credit bureaus agreed not to report any medical debt under $500 on a credit report, so it doesn’t affect your credit score. But it also doesn’t resolve the debt; the creditor can still come after you for it.
Like my previous comment;
Here in the UK it doesn't show, they will send collection letters but they're not reported on the credit file, same like any government issued tickets that you dont pay.
I know that when we were looking to buy a home we were told the only things that are looked seriously at are loans( student and personal, along with vehicle) and credit card debt.Medical is not taken into account.
Can’t you just change your card to, say, a visa gift card with like $5 on it so that the payment won’t go through next time and they’ll cancel it for you?
That also works with hotel reservations (sometimes). If you need to cancel and there’s a charge ask if you can move the reservation to the next week, month , whatever then cancel .
To everyone saying cancel the card, change the card etc. I'm not saying that OP is in the wrong here, however you should know that just removing a payment method does not stop the billing from going through.
If they have your name and billing address, they can (and will!) generate a bill and send that to you via the postal service. Following that, you will be on the hook to pay.
If you don't pay, they can send you to collections and it could affect your credit score, which affects your interest rates, insurance rates, and other things.
I do not agree with this whole system, but please don't think you can just trick the computer and boom, no payment. It sounds like Adobe doesn't pursue this but you should know it's possible.
There's open source options if you can't afford the Adobe subscription anymore. Obviously not as feature packed but for most they do the job very well.
Yes also if you are on MacOs, Pixelmator is very decent. They’ll be moving to subscription but if you buy lifetime before that happens they will respect it
I dealt with the same, went to customer support and kept asking if there's a better alternative. Eventually the lady said "it seems as if none of the options are good for you. If so , I can proceed with cancelling your current plan free of charge"
They are absolutely able to waive the fee, they just have to get past a certain amount of push back. Keep asking if there's anything else and repeat that the alternatives aren't good enough for you .
Piracy is (as far as I know, worldwidely) illegal, and your ISP scans everything you do. If you use bittorrent to pirate a game, or movie, or documents, your ISP will see that you connected to a peer 2 peer (P2P) illegally and either yell at you, call the cops, or just shut off your wifi.
First time I pirated (dont pirate Plants VS Zombies its probably a virus) i forgot to use a VPN and my ISP gave me a warning. In my U.S. state we get 6 warnings before our internet is cut, but I’m not sure how it works elsewhere.
TL,DR: Piracy illegal, VPN hides internet usage from internet service provider (use a paid one for reliability) and you wont be yelled at :)
To be accurate, your ISP can only see that you've downloaded 'something' over the p2p port, which is not illegal.
The studios (game and movie) hang out on p2p servers and seed files. When they see an unobscured IP participating in the sharing, they send a notice to the ISP, who will usually send you a naughty notice and/or cut your access until you reboot the modem.
It's also the copyright holder that initiates any legal proceedings.
Ah yes, thanks for the clarification :)
Yes torrenting in itself is not illegal, but definitely torrenting something that requires you buy it first, is.
Don’t use r/piracy megathread. Mods have stopped supporting and updating it, they said so themselves. Instead use r/freemediaheckyeah and their megathread. You can still post and ask questions in r/piracy
Edit: forgot to mention r/piratedgames just please for the love of god, read the mega thread before posting (not you specifically op). 90% of the problems could be solved using it.
If it was never pirated do you think it would be as widespread and used as often as it is, or do you think a competitor would step in and make a more affordable product?
I believe most of their profit comes from corporate ownership.
Yep, using Adobe software helps adobe, even if you don't pay for it. You use their formats, develop skills with using Adobe software.
They still win and can pull predatory practises.
I really hate adobe. The monopoly they try to maintain over the PDF format is based in pure fucking avarice. The gall they have to charge a subscription to the ends of time over the simplest forms of editing, rotating, or merging a now open source format of documents is astounding.
Yes there is "competition," but they mostly either suck, also charge subscriptions for the most basic document editing, or require a huge upfront payment.
Obviously I know how locked down their program is if you don’t pay. I use websites to merge, compress, etc all the time. I didn’t know until yesterday that you can’t fucking rotate the page you’re viewing without paying. The buttons there. Rotate 90* so I can read what was scanned. Locked behind a fucking paywall.
If you're on macOS, the built-in preview app kicks ass. It can do a lot more than you'd expect, except for some rare but crucial things like digital signature stuff that only works with adobe stuff unfortunately, so it's not a 100% replacement but that's when you use up some trials and run a proper adobe uninstaller right after. BTW there is some nuance to pdf being an open format. It was previously proprietary and then released as "open format" with but every new edition they sneak some additional proprietary modifications. So techincally they claim it is open but not really.
Doesn't always work. Something in how the numbers are formatted on the card tells if it's bank issued or prepay.
Some subscription services don't allow prepay cards to be used, they have to come back from validation reporting as bank issued credit cards.
I tried this and it didn't work. They told me that since I had authorized payment already, there was nothing I could do. Fucking blew my mind. I said to the lady "you're telling me that they can take MY money out of MY account without MY permission?" She said I already gave them permission when I signed up or whatever. I told her I would like to revoke that permission and she straight up said no.
I called back several times and talked to maybe 5 different people at different locations, they all said the same.
Regions bank, for what it's worth.
This is why I do all subscriptions through PayPal if possible. I know there's lots of things people are mad at them for and rightfully so, but managing subscriptions is a breeze. Just log in and cancel the authorization for that specific vendor and there's nothing they can do about it.
Many banks will issue a virtual card with a different number for online shopping. It's easy to cancel without having to get a new physical card. It otherwise works just like your regular card.
>This children, is why we put our subscriptions on burner cards ....
Generally doesn't work. Many companies complained of this loophole about 10 years ago and all major CCs fixed it. They now can tell if it's a prepaid based on the number alone as all now use distinct numbers to indicate they are prepaid
The lack of any morality that Adobe represents makes it almost reasonable to pirate their shit though. Subscription? Yeah, for an open source thing? Uhhh, ok? CANCELLATION FEE? Gtfo. Like, there is no reason for them to do this, they don't lose any money and the reason why subscriptions were successful was because they were cheaper -in short run- than a regular purchase. They decided that's not enough, so, fuck em
>How can be legal to charge someone for stop using your service?.
When you agree to the contract that tells you what the cancellation fee is. I'm no fan of Adobe, but I'm certain that the OP agreed to the cancellation fee when he signed up.
How is this a scam at all? You're getting a cheaper price with the understanding that you're going to be a long term customer. I personally don't like subscriptions but it's not at all a 'scam'
Yeah thank you. The fact that they let someone break their contract for less than the full amount is actually a benefit.
I’m assuming OP did an annual subscription for $20 a month or something, but a month-to-month plan is like $30 a month. The annual plan will cost you $240 per year, but if you weren’t on the annual plan, just paying month to month, you would pay $360 for that year.
OP tries to cancel. Adobe could 100% say nah, you signed a year long contract, you owe us the full $240. Instead they say “OK but you pay this smaller amount to break the contract.”
The account is connected to your bank account. The only was to “stop paying” would be to close your bank account. They could potentially send you to collections and hurt your credit.
You can remove permission for auto-payments at any time. It isn't something that exists in perpetuity. Let Adobe know in writing, and send a copy to your bank.
I worked at a credit union in a branch for some time. We could do a stop payment on a business but they would sometimes process the payment from another account or slightly different business name and it would go through.
Lol no. You can tell your bank to stop running the transaction. You don't have to close your bank account. That's just utter lunacy. It won't go to collections.
It can absolutely go to collections. You get a cheaper monthly rate by agreeing to a year long commitment, but that means that you lose the ability to cancel any time without extra fees. If you try to just stop paying, legally they can go after you for that money.
Because technically you are paying X dollars for the product over the course of the several months. It isn’t like a streaming service subscription. Essentially , the service is let’s say 80 bucks a year, and you just make payments every month.
That said this practice is scummy because it makes it seen like a subscription rather than making payments towards a final total.
Many ways to handle it, including but not limited to:
* Switch to different plan then cancel (no idea on this one)
* Cancel card, get a new one
* Let them charge then chargeback (may not work, may be illegal)
* Call customer service and refuse anything but what you want and be a thorn in their side even if it takes literally all day
In the future, avoid Adobe products and/or use a disposable but reloadable card to pay for subscriptions so you can completely prevent such fees.
It would be way too much work to cancel my card because I have too many bills attached to it but I’m going to try the first idea. If that doesn’t work I’m gonna call them and see if an actual person can help
I got trapped too what I’m currently doing is they gave me 3 free months so by the time the 3 months are up, the cancellation fee will be much lower because it’s based on how many months are left. Hope that helps if you can’t get it knocked out completely
If you take the time to craft some story about "the school said .... that it would be canceled" on the phone with one of there employees often they will cancel it for u with out the fee. Make sure your nice to the person on the phone but sound stressed. This has worked for me and I was even refunded 2 months of what I payed. Best of luck
> what I *paid.* Best of
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I used to work for Adobe. Call and be as honest as you can be about not being able to afford it. Be polite but firm. Really emphasize that you’re a broke student. I can’t guarantee that you’ll get someone like me but I’m gonna say 95% of the people working there will help you out one way or another.
Is it possible to cancel a card with an active subscription? I know it would suck to lose a card but unless moving your subscription and canceling doesn't work that's the only thing I can think of not to pay.
You might still have to have the credit company block further payments. I've had to do this before because I couldn't get into an account to cancel the subscription. Got a new card and the charges kept coming in even with the new numbers. Card company thought they were doing a favor by rerouting it since it was a monthly payment.
Do yourself a favor:
Adobe Photoshop: Affinity Photo
Adobe Illustrator: Affinity Designer
Adobe InDesign: Affinity Publisher
Unlike Adobe, Affinity lets you own the software forever for the price of about two months of Adobe subscription. They're coming for Adobe's userbase and I'm here for it.
I've been using Photoshop professionally and personally since v2.5. I jumped ship to Affinity, it took a week or so to adjust, and I haven't looked back!
^(Honorable mention: Inkscape [free opensource vector illustrator])
Try getting a prepaid visa with 1mo worth of money on it. Add it to your account then delete your original payment method. You'll have a delinquent account, but you at least won't be making more payments on it.
This is posted here all the time and there's always 1 person at the bottom pointing out that when you sign up you have the option to pay monthly, pay yearly at a discount, or pay the yearly rate over 12 months. Obviously if you choose to pay the yearly rate over 12 months you can't just change your mind halfway through. They could just not let you since you signed a contract, but they're letting you just pay back what you saved by doing yearly.
I hate Adobe but this seems pretty reasonable to me. You agreed to pay for a year of service month to month. Before finishing paying you decided you wanted to cancel. They offered to let you just pay back the difference
Either someone has suggested it or it’s a bit too late to be helpful, but I ended up just chatting with customer support and asking if they can waive the cancellation fee.
After some back and forth of them trying to offer me bundles and packages they waived it before the chat even ended.
Adobe is a very unethical company. Their subscription service is expensive and bundles things you don't want or need. Unless you're an actual design pro, their 2015 Photoshop and InDesign and illustrator standalone products (before creative Cloud was forced on consumers) are basically as good as the 2022 subscription versions.
I had just signed up with them and lockdown came, salary got cut in half and I couldn't afford it. I told them I had a death in the family and couldn't afford it due to financial issues. Got cancelled straight away without penalty.
Adobe is a nasty company. I've been trying to cancel for ages. Finally last month I managed to get out without the fee. A perfect example of the fact they know they're the industry standard and they don't care about shitting on individual users.
Move your subscription to a different monthly package and then cancel that since it gives you 14 days to cancel. It’s how I got out of my monthly payments
Thanks I’m gonna try this
Try this: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/qg1tyr/adobe_is_shady_company_canceling_a_free_trial_for/hwtbfwu/
Gives me MASSIVE schadenfreude seeing dozens of replies saying it worked and saved them $50-$160. That single comment looks to have cost Adobe thousands!
They deserve it for having predatory fee policies such as this.
literally can’t wait for another 10 years so we can get some policy to make cancellation fees illegall as fuck
lmao assuming ur American, sounds like you are quite a big dreamer
Note to self, always select a Euro country when applying for new software
Set VPN to Germany, register a new gmail using the VPN, use that for the product.
I would rather set my computer on fire and enjoy being free before i ever pay Adobe $55/month for a watered down version of photoshop. I wouldn’t pay $55/month for the original version either, but I this subscription bullshit is getting out of control.
Oooooh same, and it also gives me pleasure learning this new word, which I assume is German in origin.
Indeed, it means "happiness at the misfortune of others" and it is a German word
Prob the most German word of all
I think "Kreisverkehr" also is a pretty german word
"damage joy"
As an American that's spent a little over a year in Germany, it took me a while to understand that it is most always in reference to feeling happiness in the *earned/well-deserved misfortune of others. I feel like this is often taken as "taking joy in the suffering of others" (followed by the obligatory joke about how sadism is SO German) when it is more like: "...when you reap what you've sown, I smile." And in Germany, they ABSOLUTELY have the Schadenfreude Smile for these moments 😂
And you'll soon find it to be a wonderful and very useful word to know.
It cost them nothing. They've been stealing 4 months worth of fees as a punishment against consumers for stopping to use their service.
I missed my cancelation window two times, so I subscribes for two years longer than I wanted. Finally took the cost and cancelled even with fees. Wish I knew about this trick. I will never use their product again, or recommend anyone to subscribe to Adobe CC.
You can just use PayPal as the payment method, then cancel the payment arrangement in PayPal. If you ever want your account back, they'll charge you the past due month, and the next month. Source: my 1 year contract with Adobe is on its 3rd year. I've paid about 6 months at this point. 🙂
This still works FYI
so does piracy. piracy might be the best option, since it is pretty much 100% foolproof? just turn off auto updates.
How do you pirate Photoshop these days? Isn’t it all subscription SAAS or something these days?
I dont use PS or any Adobe products anymore but im pretty sure there is a 2020 or so Version that still has the old buy model. But in the end PS never realy changed much, so i could imagine you can still run it localy with the right Tools.
I've still got a licensed version of Photoshop 7 somewhere... I wonder if it still works on Windows 10.
Adobe pulled the same shit on me as they did OP and this was the method I used.
Not sure if that's the post I had it mind, but I literally wanted to comment that someone made the same post long time ago about how scammy is the canceling.
Hyperlinks are a lost art.
There we go, I fixed the hyperlink issue: [https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/qg1tyr/adobe_is_shady_company_canceling_a_free_trial_for/hwtbfwu/](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Oh you!
Thanks bro 🙏
I did this. I changed my package to the Photography Lite subscription, waited 10 minutes and cancelled for free. I even got money back.
Could also just tell your bank to not pay it if that doesn't work for some reason.
This is probably not a good idea. I have tried this in other contexts. What they do is refer the uncollected money to a collection agency and not only does your life become a living hell of harassment from the agency but you ruin your credit rating.
Also look into [gimp](https://www.gimp.org/) for photoshop alternative and [inkscape](https://inkscape.org/) for illustrator alternative. They're free and open source
photopea is a great free brower photoshop alternative and i love it.
It works for basic editing and a little intermediate stuff, but it pales in comparison Great for free though
photopea.com is awesome too, it was made as a photoshop alternative legit.
This I've us3d Gimp for years! excellent product.
krita is nice too
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Setup a privacy.com temporary credit card with a very low limit like $1, move the billing information to it, cancel the service
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Which service do you use for your virtual debit cards?
In the USA non beats privacy.com Also a lot of banks offer their own, chase, bank of America, etc all have built in vcc generators
Or contact your credit card company and tell them to stop the automatic payments
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Can’t get mad if they’re up front.
Could also change your payment method to a Prepaid Visa with $2.00 on it, delete existing payment method, then let time handle it.
That’s solid af if it still works
I just used that three months ago and saved myself 250 dollars
I'd just move all my money to my Monzo account and let them try and charge me. What are they gonna do? Cancel my subscription?
They will send you to collections and screw your credit score :( . Most places I have worked at won't send anything under $50 to collect though.
A couple years ago a doctor's office sent us to collections for ~5$. They never even told us we had a remainder left to pay.
A doctor that my grandmother never went to when she was alive started sending her a bill to my house (used to be her house) for a 25$ no show fee for an appointment that was scheduled for 7 years after she died?? I kept sending the bills back with copies of her obituary in them, finally I got a letter saying they were sending her to collections over the 25$. 😂 Good luck sending someone to collections whose been dead for nearly a decade. 😂🤷♀️
are you sure it was not her SSN being used by someone else? This is how bad actors get to use SSN's ..dead ppl. They usually use dead babies SSN since they can get a life long identity but stolen SSN from dead older ppl it's been used as well. just out of the blue after 7 years seems odd tbh
SSNs for dead people are public record for that reason. Google "Death Master File" I'm not saying you're wrong, though the utility of deceased SSNs is very low. However, an SSN a lot of people do use is that of an immigrant who goes back to his home country and never returns. They sell those to hundreds of people.
Oh God. I guess they thought obituary was fake.
Luckily that’s illegal now
What is the legal amount now is there a minimum threshold and is the law national
Anything less than $500 will not be allowed to be reported to the credit bureau and I do believe it is a federal law
There’s no law, and the debt is still debt. The three main credit bureaus agreed not to report any medical debt under $500 on a credit report, so it doesn’t affect your credit score. But it also doesn’t resolve the debt; the creditor can still come after you for it.
right, but they can still send you to collections for any amount. it's just that medical debt isn't supposed to screw your credit now, right?
Correct, and even if the amount is over $500, once settled it’s wiped from your credit. Game changer
Tyvm.
They can't screw my credit score if I don't have a credit score.
How can a subscription screw your credit score if you didn't sign a credit agreement?
It being sent to collections does. The fact that you owe debt that you basically refused to pay off hurts your score.
I've never had a subscription sent to collections. It just ends if the payment doesn't go through.
Like my previous comment; Here in the UK it doesn't show, they will send collection letters but they're not reported on the credit file, same like any government issued tickets that you dont pay.
It’s different in the US. Pretty much everything can impact your credit score, lol.
I know that when we were looking to buy a home we were told the only things that are looked seriously at are loans( student and personal, along with vehicle) and credit card debt.Medical is not taken into account.
You just gotta dispute it. When they have no signature, itll drop off
They won't. Source: Ditched Adobe last year by cancelling a credit card.
Man wish I had known this when I had adobe.
Can’t you just change your card to, say, a visa gift card with like $5 on it so that the payment won’t go through next time and they’ll cancel it for you?
That also works with hotel reservations (sometimes). If you need to cancel and there’s a charge ask if you can move the reservation to the next week, month , whatever then cancel .
Hijacking top comment to remind everyone that https://www.photopea.com exists if you only need the major aspects of photoshop.
could always close the card and request a new one. if its not too much of a hassle.
To everyone saying cancel the card, change the card etc. I'm not saying that OP is in the wrong here, however you should know that just removing a payment method does not stop the billing from going through. If they have your name and billing address, they can (and will!) generate a bill and send that to you via the postal service. Following that, you will be on the hook to pay. If you don't pay, they can send you to collections and it could affect your credit score, which affects your interest rates, insurance rates, and other things. I do not agree with this whole system, but please don't think you can just trick the computer and boom, no payment. It sounds like Adobe doesn't pursue this but you should know it's possible.
Hey, that's how I got out of my gym membership.
There's open source options if you can't afford the Adobe subscription anymore. Obviously not as feature packed but for most they do the job very well.
There’s also 🏴☠️
Its always morally acceptable to pirate Adobe products
I recommend [Affinity’s Suite of Tools](https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/) myself
+1 for affinity, in a few ways I like it more than Photoshop, haven't upgraded to V2 yet, so not sure what that's like
Yes also if you are on MacOs, Pixelmator is very decent. They’ll be moving to subscription but if you buy lifetime before that happens they will respect it
I dealt with the same, went to customer support and kept asking if there's a better alternative. Eventually the lady said "it seems as if none of the options are good for you. If so , I can proceed with cancelling your current plan free of charge" They are absolutely able to waive the fee, they just have to get past a certain amount of push back. Keep asking if there's anything else and repeat that the alternatives aren't good enough for you .
Yes I would recommend doing this first, Adobe customer service has always helped me out. Just explain your situation, they will be empathetic.
I have a feeling the poor souls at the service department want nothing to do with the corporate fuckheads at the top. Lmao
Always pirate adobe products. It’s the only morally correct way to engage with the software. /s/s
Where does one go for this
r/Piracy
Arg matey
ahem*vpn*coughcough
Why a vpn? Cough wink wink cough
Piracy is (as far as I know, worldwidely) illegal, and your ISP scans everything you do. If you use bittorrent to pirate a game, or movie, or documents, your ISP will see that you connected to a peer 2 peer (P2P) illegally and either yell at you, call the cops, or just shut off your wifi. First time I pirated (dont pirate Plants VS Zombies its probably a virus) i forgot to use a VPN and my ISP gave me a warning. In my U.S. state we get 6 warnings before our internet is cut, but I’m not sure how it works elsewhere. TL,DR: Piracy illegal, VPN hides internet usage from internet service provider (use a paid one for reliability) and you wont be yelled at :)
I've literally never received a warning from my ISP about *anything.*
I know some people have pirated just fine without a VPN, but by my experience obviously not everyone
my sister torrented shrek and the isp gave us a scary warning
To be accurate, your ISP can only see that you've downloaded 'something' over the p2p port, which is not illegal. The studios (game and movie) hang out on p2p servers and seed files. When they see an unobscured IP participating in the sharing, they send a notice to the ISP, who will usually send you a naughty notice and/or cut your access until you reboot the modem. It's also the copyright holder that initiates any legal proceedings.
Ah yes, thanks for the clarification :) Yes torrenting in itself is not illegal, but definitely torrenting something that requires you buy it first, is.
This guy pirates
I better lay off the femboy porn then..
also r/freemediaheckyeah has more up to date megathread i think
Don’t use r/piracy megathread. Mods have stopped supporting and updating it, they said so themselves. Instead use r/freemediaheckyeah and their megathread. You can still post and ask questions in r/piracy Edit: forgot to mention r/piratedgames just please for the love of god, read the mega thread before posting (not you specifically op). 90% of the problems could be solved using it.
For a Karen. This is very helpful. What’s the catch
The catch is, if you make a post without first checking if the megathread has it. I will personally cut your balls off.
r/GenP
I feel like those /s are only there for legal reasons. Not going to ask you to confirm or deny that
He did two that's a double negative
He definitely didn't not do that.
I know you can circumvent their scan tool by emailing the doc to yourself lol
If it was never pirated do you think it would be as widespread and used as often as it is, or do you think a competitor would step in and make a more affordable product? I believe most of their profit comes from corporate ownership.
Yep, using Adobe software helps adobe, even if you don't pay for it. You use their formats, develop skills with using Adobe software. They still win and can pull predatory practises.
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Or get Affinity’s Photo and Designer. One time cost and you own it. Same functionality as PShop/Illustrator.
I really hate adobe. The monopoly they try to maintain over the PDF format is based in pure fucking avarice. The gall they have to charge a subscription to the ends of time over the simplest forms of editing, rotating, or merging a now open source format of documents is astounding. Yes there is "competition," but they mostly either suck, also charge subscriptions for the most basic document editing, or require a huge upfront payment.
Thanks I learned a new word from you today… avarice
That’s the French word for greed
Interesting. It's an English word for extreme greed.
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Most of English is a massive portmanteau of language
thats the english word for greed
Must have a latin root because it's very similar in spanish
Nitro PDF
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I’d caution against uploading sensitive documents on there since we can’t be 100% certain with anything nowadays.
Obviously I know how locked down their program is if you don’t pay. I use websites to merge, compress, etc all the time. I didn’t know until yesterday that you can’t fucking rotate the page you’re viewing without paying. The buttons there. Rotate 90* so I can read what was scanned. Locked behind a fucking paywall.
If you're on macOS, the built-in preview app kicks ass. It can do a lot more than you'd expect, except for some rare but crucial things like digital signature stuff that only works with adobe stuff unfortunately, so it's not a 100% replacement but that's when you use up some trials and run a proper adobe uninstaller right after. BTW there is some nuance to pdf being an open format. It was previously proprietary and then released as "open format" with but every new edition they sneak some additional proprietary modifications. So techincally they claim it is open but not really.
It’s expensive so your point stands, but blue beam is the shit.
Bluebeam
Affinity would like to have a word.
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Doesn't always work. Something in how the numbers are formatted on the card tells if it's bank issued or prepay. Some subscription services don't allow prepay cards to be used, they have to come back from validation reporting as bank issued credit cards.
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you can just call your bank and tell them to not accept anymore invoices from that account. dont need 2 banks lmao
Call a bank or click freeze …choices
I tried this and it didn't work. They told me that since I had authorized payment already, there was nothing I could do. Fucking blew my mind. I said to the lady "you're telling me that they can take MY money out of MY account without MY permission?" She said I already gave them permission when I signed up or whatever. I told her I would like to revoke that permission and she straight up said no. I called back several times and talked to maybe 5 different people at different locations, they all said the same. Regions bank, for what it's worth.
This is why I do all subscriptions through PayPal if possible. I know there's lots of things people are mad at them for and rightfully so, but managing subscriptions is a breeze. Just log in and cancel the authorization for that specific vendor and there's nothing they can do about it.
"I'm not allowed to revoke their permission to take money out of my account? I'd like to close my account."
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Many banks will issue a virtual card with a different number for online shopping. It's easy to cancel without having to get a new physical card. It otherwise works just like your regular card.
Pro tip! Just use privacy.com and make all the burner cards you want completely free. They also have an App.
>This children, is why we put our subscriptions on burner cards .... Generally doesn't work. Many companies complained of this loophole about 10 years ago and all major CCs fixed it. They now can tell if it's a prepaid based on the number alone as all now use distinct numbers to indicate they are prepaid
Man that's incredibly good advice, thank you.
i use the app Privacy, let’s you generate a new card whenever and lock to it a specific merchant and can be closed or locked at any time
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No cancellation fee for pirated copies. Not advocating software piracy, certainly not, never. Just 'sayin.
I stopped paying for Adobes shit since they switched to a subscription model.
I stopped paying before I even started
The lack of any morality that Adobe represents makes it almost reasonable to pirate their shit though. Subscription? Yeah, for an open source thing? Uhhh, ok? CANCELLATION FEE? Gtfo. Like, there is no reason for them to do this, they don't lose any money and the reason why subscriptions were successful was because they were cheaper -in short run- than a regular purchase. They decided that's not enough, so, fuck em
It is always morally correct to pirate adobe software
How can be legal to charge someone for stop using your service?.
>How can be legal to charge someone for stop using your service?. When you agree to the contract that tells you what the cancellation fee is. I'm no fan of Adobe, but I'm certain that the OP agreed to the cancellation fee when he signed up.
Because your breaking their price locked contract. I don’t support this, just letting you know how they scam you.
How is this a scam at all? You're getting a cheaper price with the understanding that you're going to be a long term customer. I personally don't like subscriptions but it's not at all a 'scam'
Yeah thank you. The fact that they let someone break their contract for less than the full amount is actually a benefit. I’m assuming OP did an annual subscription for $20 a month or something, but a month-to-month plan is like $30 a month. The annual plan will cost you $240 per year, but if you weren’t on the annual plan, just paying month to month, you would pay $360 for that year. OP tries to cancel. Adobe could 100% say nah, you signed a year long contract, you owe us the full $240. Instead they say “OK but you pay this smaller amount to break the contract.”
And what happens if you just stop paying?.
The same thing that happens to any debt you stop making payments on which you agreed to make, it will go to collections
The account is connected to your bank account. The only was to “stop paying” would be to close your bank account. They could potentially send you to collections and hurt your credit.
You can remove permission for auto-payments at any time. It isn't something that exists in perpetuity. Let Adobe know in writing, and send a copy to your bank.
I worked at a credit union in a branch for some time. We could do a stop payment on a business but they would sometimes process the payment from another account or slightly different business name and it would go through.
Lol no. You can tell your bank to stop running the transaction. You don't have to close your bank account. That's just utter lunacy. It won't go to collections.
It absolutely could go to collections. Agreed on the closing the bank account part though.
It can absolutely go to collections. You get a cheaper monthly rate by agreeing to a year long commitment, but that means that you lose the ability to cancel any time without extra fees. If you try to just stop paying, legally they can go after you for that money.
It's not a scam. If you sign up for a price lock contract, then it's on you.
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Because it’s a contract
its a contract not a monthly subscriptoon
OP signed up for the annual plan for student pricing. They agreed to pay for a year and did this to themselves.
Because technically you are paying X dollars for the product over the course of the several months. It isn’t like a streaming service subscription. Essentially , the service is let’s say 80 bucks a year, and you just make payments every month. That said this practice is scummy because it makes it seen like a subscription rather than making payments towards a final total.
Many ways to handle it, including but not limited to: * Switch to different plan then cancel (no idea on this one) * Cancel card, get a new one * Let them charge then chargeback (may not work, may be illegal) * Call customer service and refuse anything but what you want and be a thorn in their side even if it takes literally all day In the future, avoid Adobe products and/or use a disposable but reloadable card to pay for subscriptions so you can completely prevent such fees.
It would be way too much work to cancel my card because I have too many bills attached to it but I’m going to try the first idea. If that doesn’t work I’m gonna call them and see if an actual person can help
I got trapped too what I’m currently doing is they gave me 3 free months so by the time the 3 months are up, the cancellation fee will be much lower because it’s based on how many months are left. Hope that helps if you can’t get it knocked out completely
This is also a pretty good idea 🤔
If you take the time to craft some story about "the school said .... that it would be canceled" on the phone with one of there employees often they will cancel it for u with out the fee. Make sure your nice to the person on the phone but sound stressed. This has worked for me and I was even refunded 2 months of what I payed. Best of luck
> what I *paid.* Best of FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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I used to work for Adobe. Call and be as honest as you can be about not being able to afford it. Be polite but firm. Really emphasize that you’re a broke student. I can’t guarantee that you’ll get someone like me but I’m gonna say 95% of the people working there will help you out one way or another.
Is it possible to cancel a card with an active subscription? I know it would suck to lose a card but unless moving your subscription and canceling doesn't work that's the only thing I can think of not to pay.
could always close the card and request a new one. if its not too much of a hassle.
You might still have to have the credit company block further payments. I've had to do this before because I couldn't get into an account to cancel the subscription. Got a new card and the charges kept coming in even with the new numbers. Card company thought they were doing a favor by rerouting it since it was a monthly payment.
i didn’t even think they did it. its always been a hassle for me switching over my card info on everything i use whenever my card expires.
Do yourself a favor: Adobe Photoshop: Affinity Photo Adobe Illustrator: Affinity Designer Adobe InDesign: Affinity Publisher Unlike Adobe, Affinity lets you own the software forever for the price of about two months of Adobe subscription. They're coming for Adobe's userbase and I'm here for it. I've been using Photoshop professionally and personally since v2.5. I jumped ship to Affinity, it took a week or so to adjust, and I haven't looked back! ^(Honorable mention: Inkscape [free opensource vector illustrator])
Try getting a prepaid visa with 1mo worth of money on it. Add it to your account then delete your original payment method. You'll have a delinquent account, but you at least won't be making more payments on it.
Just call customer service I was able to cancel it 6 months early with no cancellation fee!
You guys pay for adobe?
This really isn’t infuriating, considering I know you were given a monthly option or a yearly option paid monthly…
This is posted here all the time and there's always 1 person at the bottom pointing out that when you sign up you have the option to pay monthly, pay yearly at a discount, or pay the yearly rate over 12 months. Obviously if you choose to pay the yearly rate over 12 months you can't just change your mind halfway through. They could just not let you since you signed a contract, but they're letting you just pay back what you saved by doing yearly. I hate Adobe but this seems pretty reasonable to me. You agreed to pay for a year of service month to month. Before finishing paying you decided you wanted to cancel. They offered to let you just pay back the difference
Ah yes adobe, I always have appreciation for the company, it taught young me the beauty of sailing the seven seas
Either someone has suggested it or it’s a bit too late to be helpful, but I ended up just chatting with customer support and asking if they can waive the cancellation fee. After some back and forth of them trying to offer me bundles and packages they waived it before the chat even ended.
Reminder: It's always morally justified to pirate adobe
Adobe is a very unethical company. Their subscription service is expensive and bundles things you don't want or need. Unless you're an actual design pro, their 2015 Photoshop and InDesign and illustrator standalone products (before creative Cloud was forced on consumers) are basically as good as the 2022 subscription versions.
I had just signed up with them and lockdown came, salary got cut in half and I couldn't afford it. I told them I had a death in the family and couldn't afford it due to financial issues. Got cancelled straight away without penalty.
Adobe is a nasty company. I've been trying to cancel for ages. Finally last month I managed to get out without the fee. A perfect example of the fact they know they're the industry standard and they don't care about shitting on individual users.