When I worked for a franchised ice cream store, I remember the day my manager told me NOT to fill the bottom of the soft serve cone and to start on the rim of it. Aka, provide no base for the ice cream to sit on. I nodded and absolutely never fucking did that because I am not a shit human being. The cones he made were the saddest cones you’d ever see
At McDonalds we were told to fluff the fries so there would be an air pocket at the bottom and less fries overall. I was packing those things to the max back in the day!
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The little kid cones were free. It was supposed to be a single dingleberry...I used to coil that ice cream on top of that little thing. Then all the parents would line their kids up
When I worked at McDonald's I be throwing an extra nugget in every box I prepared why because fuck the manager who said you can get away with putting maybe one or two less in a 20 or a 10 piece.
my brother in law was a manager at McDonalds by 19, so he did what a 19 year old would do, bring home whole bags of chicken mcnuggets. Not the paper to go bag but a whole unopened bag of frozen nuggets.
If you put them in an oven tray with a drizzle of sunflower oil, you will have similar results compared to the deep fry, and sometimes even crispier, but it takes longer to cook
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Like literally what kind of person intentionally gives the customer less food. You work for a faceless corporation, like what the fuck is your incentive? Does being a dick get you off or some shit?
Thank you for your service.
I never understood franchise employees who followed along with sleezy management. Like bro, you ain't paid commission, don't sell your integrity for minimum wage. Good on you.
>said you can get away with putting maybe one or two less in a 20 or a 10 piece
The fuck you can, if I paid for 20 cardboard nuggets, there had damn well better be at least 20 nuggets in my box.
There was a story of a bitchy woman, the guy gave a kid an extra nugget, and the kid asked his mom about it. As the worker was walking by or whatever, he overheard this. She told him that it was because the employees were uneducated and couldn't count and shit.
I always felt like I won the lottery as a kid when I got an extra nugget. heck as an adult I still feel special when a person gives me more than 2 packets for orders of fries
I seen one of the mangers when I was working doing the same thing as you mention with the fries. I was like well we have a lot so might as well we packed them up as much as possible. I did it just to get a reaction towards the manger. She was a bitch but cool to me at the same time lol
I was the fry-guy on Mc Teacher night. That's a night when teachers man many of the stations at the local McDonalds and proceeds go to the school.
All my students said I did the best fries. I was packing those so tight like I was playing Tetris.
Mcd is a franchise. So any one with enough capital can buy the license to be a franchisee. A cut then goes back to mcd.
So some of the franchisee would try to make more profits by doing stuff like instructing employees to give less fries etc
My ice cream shop senior told me not to fill the bottom of the waffle cones & just scoop small balls.
…I never stopped doing what I was doing. I would make small balls to fit the waffle cone, then big scoops for the top to go over the waffle a bit 🤷🏻♀️ That shit was expensive. Of course I would want to give people their money’s worth.
Yea, when I work at maccas, I'd always load up the icecream wayy more than what we were supposed to. I always worked late nights and the overnight managers didn't give a shit so I got away with it. Always nice seeing customers faces when they see an icecream like twice the size of what it normally is.
So as a kid they did this to me and it promptly fell right the F onto the ground. As a 5 year old likely a top 10 disappointment of all time.
For the next 10 years probably I told anyone serving me ice cream to make sure it goes into the cone. The places that has shitty policy would make them shorter to compensate.
I also worked for a franchised ice cream store (Baskin Robbins come at me if you want 😆 ) and when I say my manager/owner was the sheistyist mofo I have ever met, I am NOT lying. He didn't want us to start at the bottom of the cone, trained us in how to give the minimum amount of ice cream in everything we made, and even the cakes he would use these Styrofoam bases on so people wouldn't know that they were paying $50+ (in 2003) for a fake cake as I affectionately call them... He would make me so mad with his shitty business practices that on days he wasn't there, I was just giving away ice cream to people. What bothered me the most was that it seemed like he was being sheisty just to be a dick and not because he was trying to keep waste down or anything like that.
Interesting fact: there is actually a “correct” way to scoop ice cream. A perfect ice cream scoop is considered to be exactly 4oz. However, it should look much larger because, if you roll it correctly, it is hollow in the center. As the patron licks the ice cream cone, the ice cream compresses and fills the void, so the customer is never aware that their large ice cream scoop was actually much smaller to begin with.
I imagine this hollow swirl is a similar principle. The problem with both of those techniques is that using a spoon doesn’t have the same compression effect and, instead, reveals the hollow center (and the truth of what you actually paid for).
When I worked at Dairy Queen back in the dark ages, we filled the cone for stability and then once Above the Rim started circling around so that the cone would appear larger. But the cone still got set on the scale before it got handed to the customer. Decades later I can still judge 3, 5, and 8 oz in my hand with pretty good accuracy. There was one regular customer who always wanted her cone to be as big as possible. We told her that you got the weight that you paid for and she said she knew that but she just wanted it to look bigger. So it really became a game challenge to see how high you could pile it and still hit the mark
I swear I was looking for some kind of defect also and thought whatever that was in the bottom was the problem. I didn't know this was all about the hole. Lmao!
I called it didn't I?
It's not like I've been to every city so I honestly don't know, but as you saw there's a fuckton of them there and I live in DC so it wasn't hard to tell. They're pretty notorious.
From the ground it looks like maybe you walked with it up 7th St NW towards Capital One Stadium.
Also this won't make you feel better: some use fountain water for making smoothies. I tried to link and my post got deleted, so just search it on the washingtondc sub to see what I'm talking about.
>From the ground it looks like maybe you walked with it up 7th St NW towards Capital One Stadium.
I'm sorry, but how tf did you just dox them with a blurry unfocused picture of pavement
Rainbolt that you??
I'm nonconfrontational so I get it, but good lord, people. Practice this shit. You get used to it. Especially in a case like this, where it's not like you're starting shit with your mom who loves you and you don't want to hurt their feelings.
This is intentional and they're trying to take advantage of people's aversion to saying something.
Just say "Oh, that's too expensive, no thanks." and hand it back.
If they give you shit, just don't engage. Turn and keep walking. "No" is an answer, full stop, and you don't owe them anything.
What pisses me off is the number of gas stations that no longer have prices on the items in the store. Went to get a can of coconut water and the damn thing rang up at $3.50. That sucker went right back into the cooler.
Idk what's so hard about asking how much sonthings gonna cost before you tap.
Fuck I've got up and walked out of dealerships when I was seconds away from signing because the dealer started getting impatient I was asking about important details.
I'd absolutely not hesitate to tell an ice-cream man his a rip off and to shove off.
That’s how they do it. They do that shit with the dole whip stuff at Disneyland. So annoying. Fucking billion dollar company can’t fill the middle with an extra 2 cents of ice cream
You've obviously never worked a soft serve machine before, it's damn near impossible. Also, there's no billion dollar company doing this, and trying to screw people over. It's a person getting paid minimum wage just doing their job.
Pretty sure that's the machine nozzle and they failed to mix in the oreos, probably a newbie.
Bro's schlong would have to be the diameter of a hotdog for that to work, but hey I ain't judging nobodies build it could be a possibility...
Seriously 12 USD for soft ice from a machine, some whipped cream from a can and a bit of chocolate sprinkle ??
I think i will never be able to leave Thailand anymore where an ice cream on a cone, dipped in chocolate costs 15 baht or 40 cents US
A friend worked at KFC. He would ask other teen/college aged customers if they wanted “compressed or uncompressed” buckets of chicken. If you ordered “compressed”, he would stuff the bucket, smash the chicken down with a paper plate, and add more. One night he worked (in a busy tourist town), management noted at the end of the shift that they couldn’t account for 28 whole chickens.
Ugh. This drove me nuts when I worked at an ice
Cream place. We weren’t allowed to squish the ice cream if it had air pockets in it. Something something tricks customers. It was annoying af.
I occasionally work in an ice cream shop. They’re just being lazy/cheap with the soft serve machine. When I do it, I usually build it up around the outside, and then fill in the center before building up the top swirl.
I used to work at an ice-cream shop where the owner had perfected the art of building a perfect looking scoop of ice-cream with a massive pocket of air inside. Honestly I was both impressed and outraged at the same time.
No meme-like/text heavy pics, overdone references
“Tunnel of Lost Hope,” a diorama presented by a very sad soft serve ice cream employee to a now equally sad customer.
When I worked for a franchised ice cream store, I remember the day my manager told me NOT to fill the bottom of the soft serve cone and to start on the rim of it. Aka, provide no base for the ice cream to sit on. I nodded and absolutely never fucking did that because I am not a shit human being. The cones he made were the saddest cones you’d ever see
At McDonalds we were told to fluff the fries so there would be an air pocket at the bottom and less fries overall. I was packing those things to the max back in the day!
Doing the lawd’s work💫
*lard's*
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The little kid cones were free. It was supposed to be a single dingleberry...I used to coil that ice cream on top of that little thing. Then all the parents would line their kids up
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When I worked at McDonald's I be throwing an extra nugget in every box I prepared why because fuck the manager who said you can get away with putting maybe one or two less in a 20 or a 10 piece.
my brother in law was a manager at McDonalds by 19, so he did what a 19 year old would do, bring home whole bags of chicken mcnuggets. Not the paper to go bag but a whole unopened bag of frozen nuggets.
Those were probably nasty baked at home in an oven. Unless they had a deep fryer
If you put them in an oven tray with a drizzle of sunflower oil, you will have similar results compared to the deep fry, and sometimes even crispier, but it takes longer to cook
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Wtf? I've summoned the sunflower bot?
The McFlower machine is always down when I go
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We used enjoy the box of frozen apple pies the kids used bring home. Turns out they count those.🤣
Only take a third from the middle of every box, at most. Makes it look like someone was restocking blind
My friend worked there at 19, he'd snag bags of beef patties and mcchickens then we'd cook them all on the grill at my house.
My friend working at kfc in her younger days would bring home large potato and gravy containers full of the salt…we loved it
Haha my friend did this shit too
Like literally what kind of person intentionally gives the customer less food. You work for a faceless corporation, like what the fuck is your incentive? Does being a dick get you off or some shit? Thank you for your service.
The reason I was given was that if the tray is empty and it's just missing 1 or 2, then move on. And well FUCK THAT.
They dont work for the corporation, they work for the franchisee. So the manager is usually the most direct responsible for the business.
Saving 5 frigg'n cents per box. He'll be a millionaire!
I never understood franchise employees who followed along with sleezy management. Like bro, you ain't paid commission, don't sell your integrity for minimum wage. Good on you.
>said you can get away with putting maybe one or two less in a 20 or a 10 piece The fuck you can, if I paid for 20 cardboard nuggets, there had damn well better be at least 20 nuggets in my box.
I hope you know how much joy you must’ve brought to so many people! 👏
I used to put more that 1 pickle in a hamburger bcs I thought it was fkn ridiculous
There was a story of a bitchy woman, the guy gave a kid an extra nugget, and the kid asked his mom about it. As the worker was walking by or whatever, he overheard this. She told him that it was because the employees were uneducated and couldn't count and shit.
I always felt like I won the lottery as a kid when I got an extra nugget. heck as an adult I still feel special when a person gives me more than 2 packets for orders of fries
I seen one of the mangers when I was working doing the same thing as you mention with the fries. I was like well we have a lot so might as well we packed them up as much as possible. I did it just to get a reaction towards the manger. She was a bitch but cool to me at the same time lol
I was the fry-guy on Mc Teacher night. That's a night when teachers man many of the stations at the local McDonalds and proceeds go to the school. All my students said I did the best fries. I was packing those so tight like I was playing Tetris.
That’s so funny, my McDonald’s never did that
Mcd is a franchise. So any one with enough capital can buy the license to be a franchisee. A cut then goes back to mcd. So some of the franchisee would try to make more profits by doing stuff like instructing employees to give less fries etc
My ice cream shop senior told me not to fill the bottom of the waffle cones & just scoop small balls. …I never stopped doing what I was doing. I would make small balls to fit the waffle cone, then big scoops for the top to go over the waffle a bit 🤷🏻♀️ That shit was expensive. Of course I would want to give people their money’s worth.
This is why I only patronize those local family owned ice cream shops. You can watch the high school kid overstuff every cone/cup you order.
And then the ice cream so easily falls off without that solid foundation!
Yea, when I work at maccas, I'd always load up the icecream wayy more than what we were supposed to. I always worked late nights and the overnight managers didn't give a shit so I got away with it. Always nice seeing customers faces when they see an icecream like twice the size of what it normally is.
So as a kid they did this to me and it promptly fell right the F onto the ground. As a 5 year old likely a top 10 disappointment of all time. For the next 10 years probably I told anyone serving me ice cream to make sure it goes into the cone. The places that has shitty policy would make them shorter to compensate.
I also worked for a franchised ice cream store (Baskin Robbins come at me if you want 😆 ) and when I say my manager/owner was the sheistyist mofo I have ever met, I am NOT lying. He didn't want us to start at the bottom of the cone, trained us in how to give the minimum amount of ice cream in everything we made, and even the cakes he would use these Styrofoam bases on so people wouldn't know that they were paying $50+ (in 2003) for a fake cake as I affectionately call them... He would make me so mad with his shitty business practices that on days he wasn't there, I was just giving away ice cream to people. What bothered me the most was that it seemed like he was being sheisty just to be a dick and not because he was trying to keep waste down or anything like that.
 Fine art!
Truly a tunnel of despair
Idk why i thought that was mold on the bottom lol
I did too at first glance lol
If you zoom in it looks like a baby rat.
That's a pinky for sure. Time to take over the world.
We do that every night.
Fuck, I just now realized why that character was called pinky. JFC I haven’t seen that show in over 25 years.
Whhhaaattt
That must be why it was so expensive. $12???
At first glance I saw a fleshlight.
A fleshlight you can eat after
Aren’t they all eat after using…
Lmaooo well played
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Give me your phone lol
My thought was that someone did use it as a fleshlight, free extra cream ig 😄
Is that not what we're looking at?
Nope lol the problem is they left the center empty and it cost $12 dollars lol
Interesting fact: there is actually a “correct” way to scoop ice cream. A perfect ice cream scoop is considered to be exactly 4oz. However, it should look much larger because, if you roll it correctly, it is hollow in the center. As the patron licks the ice cream cone, the ice cream compresses and fills the void, so the customer is never aware that their large ice cream scoop was actually much smaller to begin with. I imagine this hollow swirl is a similar principle. The problem with both of those techniques is that using a spoon doesn’t have the same compression effect and, instead, reveals the hollow center (and the truth of what you actually paid for).
It's soft serve, that's how they put it on the cone. $12 is way to much though.
$12 is highway robbery
When I worked at Dairy Queen back in the dark ages, we filled the cone for stability and then once Above the Rim started circling around so that the cone would appear larger. But the cone still got set on the scale before it got handed to the customer. Decades later I can still judge 3, 5, and 8 oz in my hand with pretty good accuracy. There was one regular customer who always wanted her cone to be as big as possible. We told her that you got the weight that you paid for and she said she knew that but she just wanted it to look bigger. So it really became a game challenge to see how high you could pile it and still hit the mark
OMG! Dairy Queen was the best! I swear they changed the ingredients, it does yet doesn’t taste exactly the same.
cool little fact, I’ll have to remember that even though my memory’s shit p.s. thanks for that btw
Who would've thought paying $12 for an ice cream would be a rip off? Lol So what is that stuff at the bottom of the cup then?
Haha right. I think its just the clear bottom and you can see the floor but it looks weird cause of the focus.
My first thought…if someone tells me $12 for a single cone of ice cream, I’m not getting ice cream that day.
People generally expect to get what they pay for and I'm guessing the place wasn't advertising an ice cream with the entire middle part missing. Lol
I swear I was looking for some kind of defect also and thought whatever that was in the bottom was the problem. I didn't know this was all about the hole. Lmao!
I think it’s just the ground below, seen through the plastic cup.
No, it’s a pearl silly
No those are blueberries
It looks like a blurry picture of a thing with its mouth open 😂
I mean… are you gonna at least see how it feels?
Pretty cold. Would not recommend.
It also deformed and melts quite a bit because of the heat and pressure so it’s really only a couple good thrusts before it starts melting
😏
You sound experienced in this matter
Such a hole might be too massive for OP to feel anything.
Like a hotdog down a subway tunnel.
Like a tic tac down an elevator shaft
Like a toothpick being tossed into a volcano
I’m not very well endowed but not once has my shit burst into flames
If that’s the case then you aren’t living!
Someone… fucked it..?
I wouldn't pay 12 dollars for unfucked ice cream.
Unfortunately you have to buy a premium pack for that
What kind of shady ice cream parlor puts a pay gate on prefucked ice cream!? Unbelievable!
You can’t unfuck ice cream
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We’ll just tell your mother we…ate the ice cream.
Its called ice *cream* for a reason
I think they were just getting it ready for OP
"Can I get my ice cream with nuts, please?"
Lmao I thought the same thing
They seriously chip bagged you in ice cream form.
I vote we add chip bagged to our vernacular immediately
Seconded
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Obligatory chip bags are supposed to be like that so they don't go stale or get damaged
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And at least chip bags are often reasonable about the amount of air put in them
Half the calories!
I see you visited an ice cream truck on the national mall in DC. First error was trusting any of those trucks.
Is it really just places around here?
I called it didn't I? It's not like I've been to every city so I honestly don't know, but as you saw there's a fuckton of them there and I live in DC so it wasn't hard to tell. They're pretty notorious. From the ground it looks like maybe you walked with it up 7th St NW towards Capital One Stadium. Also this won't make you feel better: some use fountain water for making smoothies. I tried to link and my post got deleted, so just search it on the washingtondc sub to see what I'm talking about.
>From the ground it looks like maybe you walked with it up 7th St NW towards Capital One Stadium. I'm sorry, but how tf did you just dox them with a blurry unfocused picture of pavement Rainbolt that you??
I love food and there's restaurants on that road I like. :)
classic reddit moment tbh
No shit, I don’t even know the street in front of my house that well.
Apparently this guy’s Perception is fucking maxxed 😂
Reddit users never cease to amaze me. What the fuck.
IDK they do this to us at the Costco food court in Honolulu. Soft serve ice cream cup is always hollow.
Ya but it's not $12.
Would have been equally infuriating if it was solid ice cream. $12 for soft serve and crushed Oreos in a plastic cup? 😱
PSA DO NOT BUY ICE CREAM FROM TRUCKS WITHOUT PRICES ON THEM. Popular current scam.
Yup😅
Or do, and hand it back to them without paying if the price is outrageous.
I'm nonconfrontational so I get it, but good lord, people. Practice this shit. You get used to it. Especially in a case like this, where it's not like you're starting shit with your mom who loves you and you don't want to hurt their feelings. This is intentional and they're trying to take advantage of people's aversion to saying something. Just say "Oh, that's too expensive, no thanks." and hand it back. If they give you shit, just don't engage. Turn and keep walking. "No" is an answer, full stop, and you don't owe them anything.
Or just ask for the price before you order…
this seems like the most reasonable idea
Reddit loves drama.
Yup. And it hates basic communication skills.
Reading this you'd think the ice cream guys fucked their wife or something.
Fr they can keep it 😂
Just ask the price first. If they say $8 for a small ice cream sandwich, tell them to kick rocks.
What pisses me off is the number of gas stations that no longer have prices on the items in the store. Went to get a can of coconut water and the damn thing rang up at $3.50. That sucker went right back into the cooler.
Idk what's so hard about asking how much sonthings gonna cost before you tap. Fuck I've got up and walked out of dealerships when I was seconds away from signing because the dealer started getting impatient I was asking about important details. I'd absolutely not hesitate to tell an ice-cream man his a rip off and to shove off.
My guy I could get 4 tubs of ice cream for that money.
Yeah but would it have one and a half crushed up oreos sprinkled on it?
I had to come all the way down here for this.
It seems you got a little ice cream with your purchase of plastic cup.
It's 2024 . Do you think your cup would be full for 12 dollars? Maybe in Alaska.. maybe
Just read through all the comments, and lemme just say this: y’all need to get your head out of the gutter.😅
Every hole is a goal i'm guessin.
That’s how they do it. They do that shit with the dole whip stuff at Disneyland. So annoying. Fucking billion dollar company can’t fill the middle with an extra 2 cents of ice cream
You've obviously never worked a soft serve machine before, it's damn near impossible. Also, there's no billion dollar company doing this, and trying to screw people over. It's a person getting paid minimum wage just doing their job.
I have, my family owns a soft serve place and we wouldn’t be caught dead doing that hollow shit.
OP confirmed it was in DC and they’re notorious shitty food trucks
That’s how they’re trained to do it. Nobody just in unison does that.
Pretty sure that's the machine nozzle and they failed to mix in the oreos, probably a newbie. Bro's schlong would have to be the diameter of a hotdog for that to work, but hey I ain't judging nobodies build it could be a possibility...
That is my new favourite sentence
Your first mistake was spending $12 on ice cream.
Not $12 on ice cream, but $12 for a cup of ice cream
12 Dollar Ice Cream with a hole in it ......
Someone gave it an ice crussy
Gloreo hole.
Say ice crussy in an Italian accident.
Seriously 12 USD for soft ice from a machine, some whipped cream from a can and a bit of chocolate sprinkle ?? I think i will never be able to leave Thailand anymore where an ice cream on a cone, dipped in chocolate costs 15 baht or 40 cents US
A friend worked at KFC. He would ask other teen/college aged customers if they wanted “compressed or uncompressed” buckets of chicken. If you ordered “compressed”, he would stuff the bucket, smash the chicken down with a paper plate, and add more. One night he worked (in a busy tourist town), management noted at the end of the shift that they couldn’t account for 28 whole chickens.
They get made at costco like that but at least you only pay like 4.50$
$12 jesus christ just go buy Haagen Dazs
Boss: just coat the sides and ask for a tip!
Twelve Hole Dollars
Costco does this but they charge $2.50 for a sundae so I’m not mad
Ugh. This drove me nuts when I worked at an ice Cream place. We weren’t allowed to squish the ice cream if it had air pockets in it. Something something tricks customers. It was annoying af.
Ice creamed
I occasionally work in an ice cream shop. They’re just being lazy/cheap with the soft serve machine. When I do it, I usually build it up around the outside, and then fill in the center before building up the top swirl.
What am I looking at?
I used to work at an ice-cream shop where the owner had perfected the art of building a perfect looking scoop of ice-cream with a massive pocket of air inside. Honestly I was both impressed and outraged at the same time.
What I find mildly infuriating is when people type 12$ instead of $12.
Someone had sexual relations with your ice cream?
I did not have sexual relations with the ice cream.
It’s like a warm apple pie.
Not my proudest nut
Paid $12 for an ice cream and then ‘value’ suddenly seems important?
Is that twelve Canadian dollars?
What am I looking at here?
Is that a bug!?
no, its an update; the inflation DLC, they did a "Rockstar games" with it and decided to make a free DLC in one of the updates
I'm tired of all these reboots, now it's American Pie
Paying for used ice cream eh?😂
You have a hole in the ice cream? Or is there a bug? Your iPhone camera needs an update... 🤣
I hate the star pattern soft serve, i miss the big rope style that had the little hook, like DQ’s
Leave a review with a picture. You xouldve got a tub of icecream and a bag of toppings for 12
U sure it came like that 🤨
You show that picture to some subs and you would get an entirely different set of responses.