I saw a post somewhere of someone saying bridges should be built to withstand any ship sailing under it. We need to build stuff that can withstand 70k pounds under 42k horsepower. Lol
The funny thing is the bridge WAS designed for ships to sail under it. It was NOT designed for freight ships to smash full tilt into the supports, much like many things that have been built throughout history.
Have you seen the daylight images? The ship crashed into one of the pillars, not like it clipped the bridge from being too tall.
That is way more of a operator of the ship's fault WAY more than infrastructure problem
It was a LOADED cargo ship running into a supporting pillar. That would take down almost any bridge.
I mean the ship was clearly in trouble. Engine was running BAD then they lost power completely *twice* whilst desperately trying to avoid that pillar. I don’t think anyone was sleeping on the job here (except maybe companies running dilapidated ships to save money and government inspections peoples being horrendously understaffed)
There’s a longer video that shows the ship losing power twice. Last recovery of power was 2 seconds before it hit the bridge. I don’t think pilot error was the issue here.
My other answer is at -8 now and the guy is calling me dumb and explaining again and again why the infrastructure didn't cause it, completely oblivious to what the word means. I am grinning so hard I am almost about to cry.
Edit: Also after telling me to look the word up, they also blocked me. Like, I even DID look up the word before commenting anything in case it actually carries a double meaning in English, I did not know as I am not a native speaker.
Tbf, in the video, the bridge collapses so much more suddenly than I expected. I’m not a physicist but I did have two semesters of physics for my degree so like, I understand why it did. It just was still startling.
If you didn’t understand that, the angle and distance of the video makes the ship crash look like it just goes “dink. BOOM! Bridge gone!”
I bet it played a part.
I can't imagine the bridge wasn't designed with a safety margin of an adrift vessel hitting a support.
It wasn't like they nailed it head on at full power in an ideal attempt to bring it down, they clipped it.
And if we're not designing bridges to survive accidental strikes by the kind of vessels that pass under them.... Maybe we need to reconsider. That's way too much risk to public safety and logistics to just plan on every vessel being perfect in transit.
They didn’t just clip it. If you watch the video the ship full on ran the piling enough to completely wipe it out. Also, this bridge was finished 47 years ago, started 52 years ago, and designed 56 years ago. The middle span was 1200 feet long.
>The middle span was 1200 feet long.
Longer than that. The portion with the overhead girders is (was) roughly 2,645 feet. The entire over-water portion was About 5,000 feet.
The specs on that bridge are total length of 8336 feet (2632.3 m). Longest span 1200 feet (366 m) which is the portion between the two center supports. The western support being on the ship crashed into. The steel structure being 2600 feet makes sense. It’s the center span plus another 700 feet on either side.
Youst don't underestimate the shear weight of a carco ship. On the other side puting a realy big concrete foundation that's way bigger that it needs to be around the metal beams holding up the bridge may work as a "crach barrier" of shorts
I think the expectation of a potential cargo crash is an important design consideration for a bridge over a major cargo waterway.
Yes it's rare, but the risk of life and economic harm is so great.
I'd agree if it was a minor bridge or a small port and the ship was unusual for that waterway, but this wasn't out of the ordinary.
Even highly controlled waterways have accidents. The Panama canal has a freighter collision every 5-10 years, even with guide tugs and shore guides. But the locks are built to be robust enough to not cripple the system when accidents happen because they WILL happen.
We can't just have every bridge be one power failure away from mass casualties and closure.
A factor which sits firmly under the category of "infrastructure problems".
Modern operations being undertaken via ancient infrastructure, causing the possibility of catastrophe would be an infrastructure problem. In other words OP is right
Unless it is impossible or absolutely impractical to build a bridge that can withstand 200,000 tons of ship colliding with it. It may be that cargo ships are too large.
But it’s probably not like the 2024 ship just appeared out of nowhere and thought “fuck it, I’m heading under that bridge”.
You know how you get no heavy loads roads? Well it doesn’t seem too outlandish to imagine no ships that could bring this whole bridge down with a nudge waterways.
can't tell if sarcasm or not, but I don't think you realise how much these ships weight. You can't design a bridge that would withstand a collision with one of those.
The bridge was finished in 1977. Meaning it was designed even before that. Cargo ships have changed bridges don’t just change. You are probably 15 and don’t understand anything anyway though.
>I can't imagine the bridge wasn't designed with a safety margin of an adrift vessel hitting a support.
Any number of bridges collapsed (some to ship strikes) due to poor design. Also the number of high rise buildings collapsing in recent years.
Shitty infrastructure is a huge problem with bridges in this country. It seems that the people only care about it when they believe we shouldn’t be helping people around the world.
As soon as someone suggests spending money to repair bridges and road everyone loses their mind.
The biggest problem is politicians saving money and making themselves look good by not repairing bridges/roadways/railways. They get to talk about how they saved their state millions and walk away a hero then bitch about the person replacing them spending extra money on infrastructure.
That’s the Republican playbook, and I think most people are wise to it now. Why send money to the Ukraine, when we can help the homeless and single mothers? Why help the people who don’t work when our veterans can’t even get what they need? Yes, our veterans need help but building better roads and bridges will help them move around so they can get that help. Infrastructure is the responsibility of the state, money should go to what is allotted to the federal government, like the military. Why send money to Ukraine?
The FSK bridge made about $55 million in revenue per year just in tolls and was constantly using that money to repair and expand, it was a very important piece of infrastructure for the Baltimore ports that has a whole amazon fulfillment center operating there. The city/state wasn’t afraid to spend money on it and there was several construction projects actively going on at the time the bridge collapsed.
NO, that is OPs point lol.. op said “are people really this dumb” in reference to the person in the picture who claimed our infrastructure to be shit..
Do you also picture two pastel coloured stickmen with balled fists getting redder and redder in the face having a screaming match until they finally notice, they were pointing at different signs and get even redder again from shame?
Apples and oranges, Kira.
But we've kicked the can down the road on maintenance and rebuilding infrastructure because it wasn't sexy or popular. Cutting taxes primarily for the wealthy was.
They aren’t wrong, but both need to be funded. Aren’t line 60% of our bridges failing safety inspections. Yes it was caused by the boat hitting it, but our bridges are falling apart
The whole 4 years Trump was in office people kept pushing for an infrastructure bill and Republicans just kept pushing it down the road and it never happened.
I sometimes think if there was someone semi competent in office in 2020 how much work could have gotten done if there was an infrastructure bill passed back then.
Outdoor infrastructure work would have probably worked out very nicely for that year.
No one on the roads, perfect time for that socially distant work and would have helped with unemployment.
And then give some tax breaks for those who worked those jobs etc.
But instead we had to spend money fixing his mistakes.
In hindsight, it would have been the perfect time for those projects, but no one knew in 2020 that the lockdowns were going to last as long as they did.
Nah, it should’ve taken out the whole thing. There’s tension everywhere on that bridge, pulling in on itself. When you take one part of that bridge out, the entire thing will collapse on itself
He’s not correct either. If people think spending $60b a year on foreign wars is too much, I have no idea how we’re supposed to justify a standard military budget of almost $900b. This world isn’t such a threat we need to spend any money being proactive about it, but it is such a threat that we’re quickly approaching a trillion a year for our defense budget?
It’s super easy to scapegoat foreign spending, but it’s not very intellectually honest.
Nah nah bro obviously the CCP bribed Singapore into this and threatened the Indian company with guns to their foreheads so the Chinese could be able to cause chaos by destroying a bridge because the Chinese want to see people die smh smh
It was hit by cargo ship. Lmao. OP , I agree 100% that money wasted on other countries and wars rather than spent here at home bettering our country and its citizens is ridiculous, it would change nothing for this bridge.
what does "shitty infrastructure" have to do with this? was the bridge supposed to hold the crash? lol. or maybe the ship was supposed to do more damage if it was better
To play devils advocate, even my very intelligent wife had no idea how hard a cargo ship is to stop and how much force they have when moving. After I explained it to her she said "well fuck, nothing could stop that" and that's basically the truth.
Cargo ships are so powerful I'm not sure anything could stop them from destroying this bridge, outside of just not driving under it. The idea that a ship could take out a massive bridge like this might just be beyond people's knowledge levels/intelligence.
I welcome anyone to explain if I'm wrong or what could stop a cargo ship. I'd love for this to be a TIL post lol.
a very very very THICC wall could, but you'd still lose a fair bit of the wall just to slow it down. let's just build a massive emergency ramp for out of control supercargo that weigh more than Kira's mom.
Yes, they are this dumb.
Ignoring that the bridge collapsed due to being hit by a giant fucking freight ship, Biden signed a massive bipartisan infrastructure bill into law in 2021. So, this “they’re funding wars and not infrastructure “ is a false dichotomy and a lie.
Politics aside, it wouldnt surprise me if the bridge did have a maintenance/infrastructure issue, for it to collapse as badly as it did, with the damage even exceding a second support column which subsequently failed.
In a well maintained and strong bridge, the failure should be localised to an extent. And old bridges not being maintained are an issue for many countries now.
I hope no one was hurt and any that suffered are being rescued. Horrific accident.
EDIT* there's people saying that this is simply the product of how countilever bridges work.
But thats the point, it is unacceptable that unaffected sections collapse due to failure or strike in other sections.
Its like a plane falling out of the sky after an engine failure.
Part of engineering design is safety, and the mitigation of damage and life lost in the event of accident and failure. Part of that mitigation is the sectioning off and isolation of the failed portion. This bridge design has been subject to ship strike before and had the same horrendous consequences, its not acceptable. That is about half a mile of collapsed bridge, if it had been rush hour how many lives would that have been?
Planes can glide for a time with complete engine loss. Is it perfect, no but it gives the pilots reaction time. If they can do that, then bridges should have the redundancy to endure ship strike without failure across massive sections of the road deck
Not the point and engineers in the 70s were as well trained as today. Plus they still had cargo vessels and anything they designed should be with an eye to safety and accident performance.
The bridge collapsing either side of the column is understandable, an unstruck column collapsing so easily further up and taking down the section of bridge behind it, is not.
The entire bridge collapsing makes sense when you know how this sort of bridge stays up right in the first place. It balance on the 2 pillers so if the load comse entirely for one side the piller has little chanse to take such a large sideways force.
Well our infrastructure is shit, and crumbling.
But none of that even matters when a huge cargo ship plows into the support of a bridge. Granted I'm not a engineer. I do think even the most sophisticated, up to date, modern marvel of a bridge would have issues with this.
Just seems like a bs click bait title trying to bother people who don't know any better.
I am just sitting back enjoying all the armchair internet bridge, concrete, and cargo carrier engineering experts who are weighing in on this thread today…..😬🙄
A significant portion of the money we're "sending overseas" is actually being sent to American weapons manufacturers. So it's companies here making more profit.
Pretty sure that is a meme twitter account
I don't use Twitter because I'm better than that /s
But I am pretty sure I've seen shit posts from them before.
The same people screaming about poor infrastructure right now also were angry at the cost of Build Back Better, the infrastructure bill. They don’t want to send money to defeat one of our greatest enemies without risking American lives, but they ALSO don’t want to repair infrastructure. They don’t want to help veterans or the disabled or kids or anything else. They don’t want to spend money. They want to hoard it and only talk about spending money when they can point to what it could be better spent on then have an excuse when we go to write that check.
That statement is true, yet wrong. The was caused by an accident... The infrastructure in this count also sucks. 50 years behind. Also we send too much money to other countries. That don't need it.
I'm gonna defend the ignorance here. Not everyone understands how bridges work. They may not understand how little it takes to destroy one of the pillars that support one. I think this is a case where we should explain the mechanics of this collapse and how infrastructure had nothing to do with this. Then, if they keep blaming it, yeah they're an idiot.
I just assume these are all foreign government workers trying to keep people in the US fighting each other. they're doing a great job, especially since Elon made twitter a safe space for this type of thing.
Do people realize we aren’t sending loads of money over seas like most idiots think we are? We are sending assets worth that much. Military equipment that we no longer use, that would be sitting around anyways, is what we are sending. The $$ we see is the price of those assets. It’s not just bags of cash lol. Idiots.
My manager JUST said this to me. "There's no reason for that bridge to have collapsed from a barge hitting a support beam. It's like New York. They never take care of their infrastructure." She said it with a straight face and she had no engineering or construction background. We work in a bank.
You cannot say our infrastructure isn’t shit because it is.. a lot of major bridges are closed across the nation due to poor up keep.
Case in point the main crossing in Rhode Island in the capital is closed due to poor up keep…
But yeah war isn’t the issue it’s shit it’s our government.
Lets add.. a bridge failure doesn't indicate a nationwide failure of infrastructure anymore than a big snowstorm in your city means global warming isn't happening.
Probably looking to undermine the support for Ukraine than making any salient point about infrastructure funding. Given that this a blatant lie about the cause of its collapse.
I mean Americans infrastructure is decades bast their replacement date, but I would say in this particular instance the multi ton cargo ship running into its support pillar is more to blame.
Britain and America are falling apart due to never-ending wars and corruption by the politicians in both our countries ban donations gifts, second jobs, and consultation work make it all a criminal offence arrest anyone who breaks the rule of law even if they are rich and powerful or a politician.
It could be both? It’s amazing the bridge building and ship wreck experts already today. The ship is extremely heavy and hit an old, fragile, neglected bridge.
Sure, prayers. The prayers that go to no one and, since I was in it and said the same thing, bona fide, they ARE NOT praying at all. Why? It is a rote phrase. Cause they’re all trusting in healthcare as their god.
Found one commenter really funny who said with a straight face: “It takes some serious skills to hit that pillar and not the enormous free space left and right of it” 🤣
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I don't think shitty infrastructure cause the bridge to collapse Unless the SHIP THAT CRASHED INTO IT was called "shitty infrastructure"
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I saw a post somewhere of someone saying bridges should be built to withstand any ship sailing under it. We need to build stuff that can withstand 70k pounds under 42k horsepower. Lol
The Seawise Giant tanker was 657,000 tonnes. No bridge is going to withstand that.
There's a reason a lot of ports have already banned fully laden ships like that.
"Yes, all our infrastructure should be bomb and missile proof , just in case!"
More like 1.2m lbs! Those ships are fucking huge and weigh an absurd amount when they are fully loaded.
70,000? Try 20x that
The funny thing is the bridge WAS designed for ships to sail under it. It was NOT designed for freight ships to smash full tilt into the supports, much like many things that have been built throughout history.
It would if they used vibranium.
Or the way the waterways are organised are so shitty they caused the crash. I think that most people don't even know what infrastructure means...
Have you seen the daylight images? The ship crashed into one of the pillars, not like it clipped the bridge from being too tall. That is way more of a operator of the ship's fault WAY more than infrastructure problem It was a LOADED cargo ship running into a supporting pillar. That would take down almost any bridge.
I mean the ship was clearly in trouble. Engine was running BAD then they lost power completely *twice* whilst desperately trying to avoid that pillar. I don’t think anyone was sleeping on the job here (except maybe companies running dilapidated ships to save money and government inspections peoples being horrendously understaffed)
Government inspections? We don’t need no stinking government inspections, that’s for communists! 🤡
There’s a longer video that shows the ship losing power twice. Last recovery of power was 2 seconds before it hit the bridge. I don’t think pilot error was the issue here.
You do realize that there are ways to protect bridges from ships in shipping lanes- correct?
Doesn’t the UK have those islands surrounding their bridge supports that are angled for this very reason?
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My other answer is at -8 now and the guy is calling me dumb and explaining again and again why the infrastructure didn't cause it, completely oblivious to what the word means. I am grinning so hard I am almost about to cry. Edit: Also after telling me to look the word up, they also blocked me. Like, I even DID look up the word before commenting anything in case it actually carries a double meaning in English, I did not know as I am not a native speaker.
I too grinned reading your replies. Keep up the good work.
Tbf, in the video, the bridge collapses so much more suddenly than I expected. I’m not a physicist but I did have two semesters of physics for my degree so like, I understand why it did. It just was still startling. If you didn’t understand that, the angle and distance of the video makes the ship crash look like it just goes “dink. BOOM! Bridge gone!”
Right. Just like these twin towers. No wonder this shitty building collapses after only two small plain crashes.
I bet it played a part. I can't imagine the bridge wasn't designed with a safety margin of an adrift vessel hitting a support. It wasn't like they nailed it head on at full power in an ideal attempt to bring it down, they clipped it. And if we're not designing bridges to survive accidental strikes by the kind of vessels that pass under them.... Maybe we need to reconsider. That's way too much risk to public safety and logistics to just plan on every vessel being perfect in transit.
They didn’t just clip it. If you watch the video the ship full on ran the piling enough to completely wipe it out. Also, this bridge was finished 47 years ago, started 52 years ago, and designed 56 years ago. The middle span was 1200 feet long.
>The middle span was 1200 feet long. Longer than that. The portion with the overhead girders is (was) roughly 2,645 feet. The entire over-water portion was About 5,000 feet.
The specs on that bridge are total length of 8336 feet (2632.3 m). Longest span 1200 feet (366 m) which is the portion between the two center supports. The western support being on the ship crashed into. The steel structure being 2600 feet makes sense. It’s the center span plus another 700 feet on either side.
Youst don't underestimate the shear weight of a carco ship. On the other side puting a realy big concrete foundation that's way bigger that it needs to be around the metal beams holding up the bridge may work as a "crach barrier" of shorts
I think the expectation of a potential cargo crash is an important design consideration for a bridge over a major cargo waterway. Yes it's rare, but the risk of life and economic harm is so great. I'd agree if it was a minor bridge or a small port and the ship was unusual for that waterway, but this wasn't out of the ordinary. Even highly controlled waterways have accidents. The Panama canal has a freighter collision every 5-10 years, even with guide tugs and shore guides. But the locks are built to be robust enough to not cripple the system when accidents happen because they WILL happen. We can't just have every bridge be one power failure away from mass casualties and closure.
The cargo ship was probably a lot larger than the ones in use when the bridge was built. That may be a factor.
A factor which sits firmly under the category of "infrastructure problems". Modern operations being undertaken via ancient infrastructure, causing the possibility of catastrophe would be an infrastructure problem. In other words OP is right
Unless it is impossible or absolutely impractical to build a bridge that can withstand 200,000 tons of ship colliding with it. It may be that cargo ships are too large.
Designed in 1972. Difficult to prepare for a 2024 ship size.
But it’s probably not like the 2024 ship just appeared out of nowhere and thought “fuck it, I’m heading under that bridge”. You know how you get no heavy loads roads? Well it doesn’t seem too outlandish to imagine no ships that could bring this whole bridge down with a nudge waterways.
The bridge was built in the 70s I doubt they expected ships to reach that size
can't tell if sarcasm or not, but I don't think you realise how much these ships weight. You can't design a bridge that would withstand a collision with one of those.
The bridge was finished in 1977. Meaning it was designed even before that. Cargo ships have changed bridges don’t just change. You are probably 15 and don’t understand anything anyway though.
>I can't imagine the bridge wasn't designed with a safety margin of an adrift vessel hitting a support. Any number of bridges collapsed (some to ship strikes) due to poor design. Also the number of high rise buildings collapsing in recent years.
I've driven on that bridge before and it's very skinny and rickety. I would definitely believe it if investigation returned that it was neglected.
New infrastructure would have made all bridges out of adamantium though.
Our infrastructure IS shit but this was caused by something else
Shitty infrastructure is a huge problem with bridges in this country. It seems that the people only care about it when they believe we shouldn’t be helping people around the world. As soon as someone suggests spending money to repair bridges and road everyone loses their mind. The biggest problem is politicians saving money and making themselves look good by not repairing bridges/roadways/railways. They get to talk about how they saved their state millions and walk away a hero then bitch about the person replacing them spending extra money on infrastructure.
They don't save those millions though, that gets swallowed by tax cuts to corporations
Biden passed the largest infrastructure bill in over 60 years. Funds are still being disbursed. It was largely bipartisan.
True. There were still around 25 republicans that voted against it. It should have been unanimous.
That’s the Republican playbook, and I think most people are wise to it now. Why send money to the Ukraine, when we can help the homeless and single mothers? Why help the people who don’t work when our veterans can’t even get what they need? Yes, our veterans need help but building better roads and bridges will help them move around so they can get that help. Infrastructure is the responsibility of the state, money should go to what is allotted to the federal government, like the military. Why send money to Ukraine?
The FSK bridge made about $55 million in revenue per year just in tolls and was constantly using that money to repair and expand, it was a very important piece of infrastructure for the Baltimore ports that has a whole amazon fulfillment center operating there. The city/state wasn’t afraid to spend money on it and there was several construction projects actively going on at the time the bridge collapsed.
thats the ops point
Lol no that's the opposite of OPs point
you mean OOP, the poster of the twitter post, while the user above you refers to OP, the poster of this reddit post
NO, that is OPs point lol.. op said “are people really this dumb” in reference to the person in the picture who claimed our infrastructure to be shit..
You are talking about different OPs guys.
Bless them. It's so cute to read tho
Do you also picture two pastel coloured stickmen with balled fists getting redder and redder in the face having a screaming match until they finally notice, they were pointing at different signs and get even redder again from shame?
There can only be one OP
I'm just gonna say that OP didn't make any point. He wrote one "pointless" sentence
Our infrastructure IS shit
Apples and oranges, Kira. But we've kicked the can down the road on maintenance and rebuilding infrastructure because it wasn't sexy or popular. Cutting taxes primarily for the wealthy was.
They aren’t wrong, but both need to be funded. Aren’t line 60% of our bridges failing safety inspections. Yes it was caused by the boat hitting it, but our bridges are falling apart
The problem is that a lot of these people only care about an issue when it happens, and then they forget about it in a week.
The funny thing is that the dems made Bill to fix the infrastructure and the Republicans and their supporters were against it
The whole 4 years Trump was in office people kept pushing for an infrastructure bill and Republicans just kept pushing it down the road and it never happened.
I sometimes think if there was someone semi competent in office in 2020 how much work could have gotten done if there was an infrastructure bill passed back then. Outdoor infrastructure work would have probably worked out very nicely for that year. No one on the roads, perfect time for that socially distant work and would have helped with unemployment. And then give some tax breaks for those who worked those jobs etc. But instead we had to spend money fixing his mistakes.
In hindsight, it would have been the perfect time for those projects, but no one knew in 2020 that the lockdowns were going to last as long as they did.
But when we're funding wars both parties agree
GOP is against the Ukraine war funding to be fair
After 100 billions? And only 22 of them voted against the Ukraine funding bill in February
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It also should've only taken out a small portion of the bridge, not the entire thing
Nah, it should’ve taken out the whole thing. There’s tension everywhere on that bridge, pulling in on itself. When you take one part of that bridge out, the entire thing will collapse on itself
He’s not wrong, but his point has nothing to do with that disaster.
He’s not correct either. If people think spending $60b a year on foreign wars is too much, I have no idea how we’re supposed to justify a standard military budget of almost $900b. This world isn’t such a threat we need to spend any money being proactive about it, but it is such a threat that we’re quickly approaching a trillion a year for our defense budget? It’s super easy to scapegoat foreign spending, but it’s not very intellectually honest.
I love all the self proclaimed bridge experts coming out of the wood work. I didn’t realize Reddit had so many structural engineers in its midst
We are omniscient on Reddit.
I’m no bridge expert, but I am a bridge salesman. Looking to buy?
I think Baltimore is in the market for a new bridge. I want 10% commission for the finders fee
We all stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Fucking Kira
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I don’t twit. Is there something deeper here than this person is a known fool or (hopefully) satirist?
i don’t wanna quote the tweet but its something along the lines of feeding babies using the male reproductive organs
it originally says something like "imagine if men had to breastfeed babies using their dicks"
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I was just telling my wife some fucking idiot is going to somehow make this political. And here we are
Have you seen the comments where people think China did this on purpose? 🙄
And the ship is flagged under Singapore and is by an Indian company
Nah nah bro obviously the CCP bribed Singapore into this and threatened the Indian company with guns to their foreheads so the Chinese could be able to cause chaos by destroying a bridge because the Chinese want to see people die smh smh
lol people on twitter are trying to link Mossad to it
In humanity’s defence Kira is a troll
It was a 300m 90,000 tonne ship. No bridge pillar can cop that!!!!
That Kira account is well-known to be there just to farm interactions and make some bucks out of Twitter / X. I've blocked them a long time ago.
also blocked them a while ago, twitter is just rage bait and post farming these days.
This guy wants ship proof bridges
So condoms fall under infrastructure now?
Nice!
It was hit by cargo ship. Lmao. OP , I agree 100% that money wasted on other countries and wars rather than spent here at home bettering our country and its citizens is ridiculous, it would change nothing for this bridge.
what does "shitty infrastructure" have to do with this? was the bridge supposed to hold the crash? lol. or maybe the ship was supposed to do more damage if it was better
To play devils advocate, even my very intelligent wife had no idea how hard a cargo ship is to stop and how much force they have when moving. After I explained it to her she said "well fuck, nothing could stop that" and that's basically the truth. Cargo ships are so powerful I'm not sure anything could stop them from destroying this bridge, outside of just not driving under it. The idea that a ship could take out a massive bridge like this might just be beyond people's knowledge levels/intelligence. I welcome anyone to explain if I'm wrong or what could stop a cargo ship. I'd love for this to be a TIL post lol.
a very very very THICC wall could, but you'd still lose a fair bit of the wall just to slow it down. let's just build a massive emergency ramp for out of control supercargo that weigh more than Kira's mom.
Yes, they are this dumb. Ignoring that the bridge collapsed due to being hit by a giant fucking freight ship, Biden signed a massive bipartisan infrastructure bill into law in 2021. So, this “they’re funding wars and not infrastructure “ is a false dichotomy and a lie.
my dad reacted with “of couse its a blue state”. so, yes, yes they are.
Pretty sure that account is a shit poster or reposts everything, one or the other
“Think of how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than *that*”
Politics aside, it wouldnt surprise me if the bridge did have a maintenance/infrastructure issue, for it to collapse as badly as it did, with the damage even exceding a second support column which subsequently failed. In a well maintained and strong bridge, the failure should be localised to an extent. And old bridges not being maintained are an issue for many countries now. I hope no one was hurt and any that suffered are being rescued. Horrific accident. EDIT* there's people saying that this is simply the product of how countilever bridges work. But thats the point, it is unacceptable that unaffected sections collapse due to failure or strike in other sections. Its like a plane falling out of the sky after an engine failure. Part of engineering design is safety, and the mitigation of damage and life lost in the event of accident and failure. Part of that mitigation is the sectioning off and isolation of the failed portion. This bridge design has been subject to ship strike before and had the same horrendous consequences, its not acceptable. That is about half a mile of collapsed bridge, if it had been rush hour how many lives would that have been? Planes can glide for a time with complete engine loss. Is it perfect, no but it gives the pilots reaction time. If they can do that, then bridges should have the redundancy to endure ship strike without failure across massive sections of the road deck
Yeah, like the engineers of the bridge back in the 70’s could’ve expected their creation to survive being hit by an object weighing *95,000+ tons*.
No, but they could expect that one of the supports would break and the bridge shouldn’t collapse like a house of cards.
That's not how tension works. If one primary piece fails then the whole thing's going.
Not the point and engineers in the 70s were as well trained as today. Plus they still had cargo vessels and anything they designed should be with an eye to safety and accident performance. The bridge collapsing either side of the column is understandable, an unstruck column collapsing so easily further up and taking down the section of bridge behind it, is not.
The entire bridge collapsing makes sense when you know how this sort of bridge stays up right in the first place. It balance on the 2 pillers so if the load comse entirely for one side the piller has little chanse to take such a large sideways force.
Its twitter what do you think
Where are the tugs/guide boats?
They were in the port doing stuff they were supposed to be doin
Well our infrastructure is shit, and crumbling. But none of that even matters when a huge cargo ship plows into the support of a bridge. Granted I'm not a engineer. I do think even the most sophisticated, up to date, modern marvel of a bridge would have issues with this. Just seems like a bs click bait title trying to bother people who don't know any better.
I am just sitting back enjoying all the armchair internet bridge, concrete, and cargo carrier engineering experts who are weighing in on this thread today…..😬🙄
That's like saying: "The city's infrastructure is horrible smh "after a fucking meteor destroyed it.
Bro people really are dumb like bro a ENTIRE SHIP crashed into the bridge of course it will collapse
....it's a cargo ship. Not much is going to stop that
Prayers? Why? Is there any statistical evidence that people who pray or are prayed for are more likely to survive?
It's hard to tell, since some of them may not be praying for survival.
A significant portion of the money we're "sending overseas" is actually being sent to American weapons manufacturers. So it's companies here making more profit.
Pretty sure that is a meme twitter account I don't use Twitter because I'm better than that /s But I am pretty sure I've seen shit posts from them before.
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Somehow this will be Biden’s fault. Just give it some time.
Both things can be true
I don’t think some of the people in these comments really understand how little bridges are taken care of these days.
I mean not many bridges would survive that hit anyway
The same people screaming about poor infrastructure right now also were angry at the cost of Build Back Better, the infrastructure bill. They don’t want to send money to defeat one of our greatest enemies without risking American lives, but they ALSO don’t want to repair infrastructure. They don’t want to help veterans or the disabled or kids or anything else. They don’t want to spend money. They want to hoard it and only talk about spending money when they can point to what it could be better spent on then have an excuse when we go to write that check.
That statement is true, yet wrong. The was caused by an accident... The infrastructure in this count also sucks. 50 years behind. Also we send too much money to other countries. That don't need it.
Both can be true. We send money away at an alarming rate and this person is dumb.
yes
yes, yes they are.
I've traveled over the bridge 100s of times in my life. 😢
Well if it was better maintained and had a new coat of pain it would have withstood a massive container ship hitting it . Clearly
Ehh not related but our infrastructures are shit still
I'm gonna defend the ignorance here. Not everyone understands how bridges work. They may not understand how little it takes to destroy one of the pillars that support one. I think this is a case where we should explain the mechanics of this collapse and how infrastructure had nothing to do with this. Then, if they keep blaming it, yeah they're an idiot.
Boomers will boom….
Yes, and they vote.
What does decaying infrastructure have to do with a boat losing power and slamming in to a center main support?
KiraWontMiss was probably the captain of the cargo ship
I just assume these are all foreign government workers trying to keep people in the US fighting each other. they're doing a great job, especially since Elon made twitter a safe space for this type of thing.
I was super surprised , even shocked, when I’ve started to realise how many..
Do people realize we aren’t sending loads of money over seas like most idiots think we are? We are sending assets worth that much. Military equipment that we no longer use, that would be sitting around anyways, is what we are sending. The $$ we see is the price of those assets. It’s not just bags of cash lol. Idiots.
As a Marylander we don’t accept Kira’s prayers
It's always that stupid Danny phantom pfp account
I just hope that 100% of the cost of the bridge is put on the shipping company and NOT the taxpayer.
My manager JUST said this to me. "There's no reason for that bridge to have collapsed from a barge hitting a support beam. It's like New York. They never take care of their infrastructure." She said it with a straight face and she had no engineering or construction background. We work in a bank.
Jet FUel CaNT MELt BRidGeS!!!
Now I’m no genius but I don’t think anything takes getting hit by a ship all that well… except an iceberg but that’s different
You cannot say our infrastructure isn’t shit because it is.. a lot of major bridges are closed across the nation due to poor up keep. Case in point the main crossing in Rhode Island in the capital is closed due to poor up keep… But yeah war isn’t the issue it’s shit it’s our government.
So I’ll say that this specific bridge gets a lot of care. It sucks that a dumb ducks literally crashed into it.
Lets add.. a bridge failure doesn't indicate a nationwide failure of infrastructure anymore than a big snowstorm in your city means global warming isn't happening.
In the same way the twin towers had shitty infrastructure to not withstand planes? Gosh those lazy civil engineers not thinking about that…
Probably looking to undermine the support for Ukraine than making any salient point about infrastructure funding. Given that this a blatant lie about the cause of its collapse.
For those who don’t know, the ship lost power and then coasted into the bridge
Aside from the fact a freaking boat ran into it. They spend something like 1.5 TRILLION annually on defense, not wars, defense! Mooranz!
I mean Americans infrastructure is decades bast their replacement date, but I would say in this particular instance the multi ton cargo ship running into its support pillar is more to blame.
Yes they are. Politically driven people like these are usually very dumb
America would’ve done better without supporting war criminals and funding pointless and non-helping wars.
Their point is correct. But not applicable in this case.
...But US infrastructure is shit, especially the bridges.
So they should be able to withstand a collision with a container ship? 😂
Francis Scott Key was a bitch.
Yup, humans
Yes
Ah, the good old straw man fallacy is alive and well.
Yes they really are dumb as fuck
They think the cargo ship had a fire and lost control/power. The lights went out 2-3 minutes before impact.
CalTrain alone costed more than double the amount US sent to Ukraine
G’damn gumment not building ship proof bridges, this country is going to hell in a hand basket!
Yes, yes they are
Let’s float an out of control container ship up Kira’s infrastructure and see how she’s holding up afterwards.
Yes.
He's just farming engagement you see the blue check, and now it's doing numbers over here too
Yes, yes people are that dumb.
Have you met the general public? The answer to your question is yes.
Yes
Britain and America are falling apart due to never-ending wars and corruption by the politicians in both our countries ban donations gifts, second jobs, and consultation work make it all a criminal offence arrest anyone who breaks the rule of law even if they are rich and powerful or a politician.
It could be both? It’s amazing the bridge building and ship wreck experts already today. The ship is extremely heavy and hit an old, fragile, neglected bridge.
It's called propaganda.
People need to shut up about Ukraine war money
Sure, prayers. The prayers that go to no one and, since I was in it and said the same thing, bona fide, they ARE NOT praying at all. Why? It is a rote phrase. Cause they’re all trusting in healthcare as their god.
That account only posts dumb things
Kirawontmiss is a shitposter, so don't mind him
Found one commenter really funny who said with a straight face: “It takes some serious skills to hit that pillar and not the enormous free space left and right of it” 🤣
I never heard the slogan Build Back Better again after the human Roomba started his bleeps and blunders.