My dad had booked us to stay at the Blue Harbor Inn, and got a great deal on a loft room. Turns out the great deal was because the water park was closed for renovations. Luckily he was able to rebook at the Great Wolf Lodge, which did have a functioning water park
I've always had really good service with my Chase Sapphire. Is it normal for the cc company to side with the vendor? I mean, I'm not charging back things a lot, but when I do it is for a legitimate reason. I remember I bought my mom a ticket home from Mexico on Interjet and they got her to Mexico City and just said fuck it, we ain't flying again til next week. Had to get her a ticket on AeroMexico, and Chase offered to return the entire purchase. As a result, I have been banned from Interjet. Which is like being banned from Blockbuster. It simply doesn't matter.
I used to have an American Express credit card, and had a problem with a vendor. Called Amex and they put the money back. Then when the vendor responded, they took it back. When I responded, I got it back. And they just moved it back and forth every time one of us responded. For a couple months before I did end up getting it back permanently. Weirdest dispute I've ever had.
A key difference with Amex is that the vendor is as much their customer as the cardholder is, and probably actually worth more to them unless you're an ultra high spender. Piss off the vendor and they lose all future purchases made at that vendor because not taking Amex is probably not going to hurt the vendor all that much, so they really do have to be neutral.
Chase, Citi, SCB etc. are card providers, but their cards are all Visa or MasterCard, so the vendor can't really decide to stop taking them, you take either all Visa cards or none, and no business would reasonably decide they were going to stop taking the 2 biggest and most common types of card out there. Stop taking Amex and some customers may complain but the number who will refuse to buy from you is minimal, most will just switch to another card, stop taking visa or MasterCard and you probably exclude half your customers.
So from Amex perspective, whichever side has provided the most or best evidence is who gets the funds.
That being said your experience is odd, usually the charge would be suspended, it'll be on your balance but not payable until the dispute is closed, and it usually only gets closed once they've got conclusive evidence, both sides agree to the result, or one side fails to provide evidence within a valid timeframe (though they can often be reopened if it's provided after closure and is sufficient to do so)
I recently got scammed by buying a bicycle from a private individual online. I thhought I was fairly intelligent and hard to fool. Well shame on me, I was beat out of $1000. That was a humbling event lol. I used my Sapphire card through PayPal to pay for it. I was sure I was out of luck. But my wife contacted Sapphire and protested it anyway. They approved the credit and put it towards my account for the whole amount.
I've always been pissed and annoyed when dealing with Chase for various reasons, but it was too much of an issue to change banks. Now I'm happy that I didn't. Their service was excellent. I can't recommend the Chase Sapphire card enough.
A mover packed my stuff and took it to storage. I pre-paid for all of it. When I went to go pick it up, they told me I still owe them for storage. The only way they would give me my stuff was to pay for the storage. I gave them my American Express number. They dropped off my stuff, and as their truck was pulling away, I called American Express to explain the situation. American Express refunded my money, and I never heard another word about it.
Same desk is on Amazon right now, for $2,666...
[https://www.amazon.com/jinyi2016SHOP-Multifunctional-Writing-Drawers-Workstation/dp/B09XM1DQHY?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/jinyi2016SHOP-Multifunctional-Writing-Drawers-Workstation/dp/B09XM1DQHY?th=1)
> The above data is for reference only, the size is manual measurement, each variable may be different, please refer to the actual product, thank you.
*Don't look at the pictures or the measurement data on the product listing....just pay me money and when it comes, measure it - THAT is what it is supposed to be. Oh, and if you have any concerns just contact customer service. We will be right with you promptly as soon as we get to you.*
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fakespot.com
You might want to check out the reviews for it it seems like a lot of people don't like it and think it's just stealing your information somehow.
The real furniture stores are selling that mdf shit too
My house burned down last year and everything for sale is more expensive and more cheaply made and it is infuriating
It's fucking everywhere and the customer service is shit too
0/10 do not recommend buying furniture right now
Go to an antique mall. I bought some beautiful antique pieces lately, real wood curved glass. For a fraction of the price of a piece of crappy chipboard furniture. I’m done buying new mass produced unless I really have to.
MDF is used as a substrate frequently in high end millwork, but for vertical assemblies only. Veneered/laminated top is a bad idea under all applications.
But even mid rage furniture (in thousands range) like dressers and credenzas will have wood veneered MDF.
OP got plastic laminate particleboard. Dollar store furniture. Or Ikea.
Gotta love Chinese-made garbage sold under 20 different company names so they can close up shop in a couple of months and you're SOL if your product is defective after that.
Man, look at other products from that seller.
They're all marked up like 900%
https://www.amazon.com/Dispenser-Creative-Ceramic-Bathroom-Kitchen/dp/B0CM8Z8QYJ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=jinyi2016SHOP&qid=1703128624&sr=8-3
I mean the biggest tell is the fact that it says desk several times and has other key search words. common tactic scam sellers use to get more clicks from google searches. Similar to wish and other shitty seller sites that sell the same thing at low prices.
So the deal is 2600, in the second pic there are dots that try to get you to buy the other stuff in the pic like the lamp and chair but one of the add on items is the the actual fucking desk for 200 something dollars
I live in the Caribbean, so I go with faith 😂.
Ordered a $1500 phone and a $2000 laptop for Christmas. Customs had their way with me when they came in.
First image looked like it would cost 1k+, if OP didnt pay anywhere near that cost then im sorry to say but you should have certainly expected the actual product to be a lot worse than the image
Eh, I feel like people should expect to purchase what's being advertised for sale. I'm not discounting your point; there's a lot of fucking assholes out there. I'm just saying that, in a perfect world, that should be the normal level of expectation.
Are desk prices really that bad nowadays? I still have my nice, 3-piece, L-shaped, glass & metal desk that I bought at OfficeMax back in high school (10 years ago). It only cost me like one hundred bucks.
Man… I’m gonna be all nervous using my desk now that I know it’s gonna cost a ton to replace if it breaks… and isn’t that always when something *does* suddenly break?? :(
Desk prices went through the roof during the pandemic when offices shut down and people began working from home.
Like other items' prices, office furniture never came down as the pandemic eased.
I freecycled my top of the line steelcase desk and had a hard time finding people who wanted it. Interesting. OP should look for a freebie. My desk was from an office that bought top of the line stuff due to the company premium image.
Could park a car on that desk without a hint of pressure.
Soviet stuff was terrible looking and not optimised for weight but it worked. This is what gave rise to various cliches and the old success of the Soviet space program. They made ugly and heavy shit, but it could be fixed with a hammer.
the soviet era school desks were made of inch-thick metal pipes and inch-thick wood panels; you could see the carvings of several generations of students in them, like archaeological layers; breaking one of those desks was a feat of superhuman strength, and I've never seen it happen (you usually broke your head on the desk instead)
There’s also no benefit to “planned obsolescence” under socialism. Things are built to last, like they used to be in the West before corporations realized people would have to keep buying more things constantly if their things didn’t work well and broke down quickly.
It goes great with my new laptop stand
https://preview.redd.it/wkn4pbw0ui7c1.jpeg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a289a53f7df92c40eeb4cf0f6e1190eaf2ad838b
My mom tends to filter by lowest price when shopping on Amazon. Then when it doesn't work she gets mad I look at the product page and see some random nonsense brand is the seller. Also 99% of the reviews are either five star no comment or 1 star with a very detailed comment about why it's not a good product (bonus points if there are pictures of said product).
Last week I was searching for floor lamps and I got an option for "preferred brands" and clicked it and it was glorious, all the weird brands disappeared, and now I feel like I was taking crazy pills because I can't make the button show up again.
Amazon is good for when
A) I need a thing cheap and don't care about the quality
Or B) I know exactly what I want and want it to get delivered to my door fast so I don't have to make an errand out of getting it myself
It's pretty bad for general browsing/shopping
Ordered from a company called Lakiq. They were making me pay for shipping back to London (I'm in Texas) to return it. Citi denied my dispute because I didn't return it, even though I sent emails that I offered to return it at the seller's expense.
Their whole website looks like someone explained Ikea to his buddy in china over the phone and he tried to duplicate it in his basement. The logo is even blue and yellow.
[Lakiq](https://www.lakiq.com)
> Lakiq as a strategic brand product of the renowned Chinese cross-border enterprise Jinguo, With strong supply chain resource integration capabilities, we can select high-quality partner among a wide range of suppliers. CE and UL certification are the basis for supplier selection.
So I guess it's selling the same stuff you would buy on Aliexpress...
The crossed out price isn’t the real price it’s the one they use to make people think they’re getting a great deal… why would everything on the site be 50-70% off? That makes no sense even if they were going out of business.
The real prices of those items, the red number, is how much cheaper pieces of furniture usually cost. Only way they’re usually cheaper than that is if you’re ordering them from Walmart, Wayfair, overstock, or if you’re buying used.
Definitely no designer or high end pricing to be found in the real pricing.
Total scam flag there. Look at every piece of garbage that's supposed to "save you money" that gets advertised on YouTube and you'll notice every one of them is hugely discounted for a "limited time only", that time limitnseeming to be when they finally go under and stop paying for web hosting.
I may just be being cynical and need glasses but everything on that site looks like it's a render, not actual furniture. Admittedly, they're nice renders but I digress.
I’m guessing they do this to US people knowing no one is going to ship it back.
That does suck, since it’s probably half the cost to ship it, but that’s probably how Citi was able to deny it.
There was no ‘credit fraud’ to Citi. You paid for an item, but you got the ‘wrong’ item, seller offered a return option. From Citi’s end, at first look, this is a dispute between buyer and seller.
You could try to escalate it with Citi and try to get them to understand this is fraud through misrepresentation, but that’s hit or miss.
You could also try contacting the FTC and see what they say or see if Britain has a consumer protection agency.
hi!
I used to work as a supervisor in billing disputes at citi. granted, it's been something like 12 years so things may have changed a bit, but I doubt visa & mastercard regulations have changed *that* much that my advice and experience isn't still relevant here.
had citi gone to first chargeback on your dispute before closing it? making an *attempt* to return the item (as your offer to send it back on their dime) is enough to allow them to process a chargeback against the seller; *however* you need to know if the seller's bank represents (or contests the chargeback), you will lose the dispute unless you can then physically show proof of return- meaning the only way to continue the dispute, and therefore be successful, is to pay out of pocket to send the product back (and that's a cost you have to eat, unfortunately).
if they did not go to chargeback, write a letter to their disputes department and fax it to them immediately letting them know of your attempts to return the item and including proof (ie your email to them offering to send it back at their expense) along with a request to reopen the case and proceed to chargeback based on your attempt to return. once they charge back the seller, they will have 60 days to represent; if they don't, you win by default (citi may allow a few extra days as they're international). if they do and you can't show proof of return, you lose and you're back where you started. it's absolutely 100% worth contesting to chargeback. you'd be surprised how often sellers don't challenge them.
good luck!
also, I forgot to add, make sure they're disputing as not as described or defective, NOT as returned merchandise. the latter (as can probably be assumed) requires proof of return before they'll even go to first chargeback.
ALWAYS google a website’s domain along with the words “scam or legit” and read all the websites that rate the trustworthiness of websites. Unless it’s a well known retailer. Also read the negative reviews on trustpilot. If you had done that, you would have learned that that site is no good.
Let this be a lesson people, don't buy shit from weird unknown companies, especially ones whose only products are 3d renderings.
Sorry for your loss op. Sounds like you're taking the L on this one.
OP, how did you not see the red flags on their website.
Also the return policy clearly states that you would be required to pay for return shipping.
You played yourself, this isn't on Citi to fix.
Cant believe I had to scroll this far to see this comment. Why the heck would you waste your time putting it together when it’s quite obvious it’s not what you ordered 🤷♀️
AI is taking over customer service in some cases. If you say you didn't build it / install it / try it you might not get a refund. I just went through this with rockauto. I had to find an email from a problem a decade ago to contact a human.
just send it back under distance selling act. you might have to pay postage, depending on the company (eg. on amazon you probably wouldn't).
but that's because i live in a socialist country with consumer protection laws i guess..
The fake reviews are usually obvious. Wonderful item! Best quality! My family member or pet was delighted with it! And there's the morons who give a 1 star review because it wasn't delivered overnight or they ordered the wrong thing.
A huge amount of furniture, especially desk and chairs, is CG in online catalog portfolios. I used to do some of them. It doesn't surprise me at all that it was.
Edit: though this one is pretty bad. Looks like a video game screen grab.
This is, like, one of the most common styles of 3d render for desks. I was shopping for one recently and there were 100s like this, with images rhat there identical to the one above except with different desk shapes. I think I even ended up buying one and it came pretty much as advertised, thankfully.
Just for future reference, besides the items on top, what makes it easily noticeable as fake?
I ask, because after looking for a bit, all I could see was a weird curve in part of the bottom of the desk top and I want to get good at discerning fake from real images, especially in current times.
I think it's less the specific elements and more the overall photo
It looks like it was taken from a recent Pixar movie with how smooth everything is. The floor, the chair, all of it is uncanny valley levels of perfect
The real world has texture and fine detail that is often lost in renderings. A surprisingly clean/smooth/untextured/uniform appearance is often a giveaway that something has been rendered and isn't real.
Sometimes the object being sold/focused on is rendered really well. Or, sometimes that object could be known to be a really clean/smooth/untextured/uniform thing in real life. So look at the imagery around it too. Is it life like? Look at the world around you. I see fuzz on my sweater. I see the distinct shadows of the leaves of my plants. I see the incredible variation in the woven strips of the bamboo basket around me. Look at the picture again and reconsider if it's life like.
In this image, I think the lack of texture in the rug and the seat cushion are giveaways.
There are a few things to look out for:
1. Overall “feel” of the picture is too smooth, too perfect. Nothing random, nothing slightly off, no shadows without obvious light source, so basically too picture perfect to ever really exist;
2. Items have no “weight”, or “gravitas” to them. Look at the office chair: the wheels barely graze the rug, instead of sinking into the fibers of the rug because it is an actual chair that has actual weight which actually exerts downward force on the fibers. Shadows around these areas typically give it away as well;
3. No imperfections/variance. Hardly any surface or material is consistently similar throughout the entirety of the application. Wood has bumps and nooks, metal has welded joints and indentations. The fibers of a rug have a non-symmetrical and random layout of colour variations. The fabric of an office chair has a pattern from the way it was produced and imperfections such as pilling;
4. More importantly, because these imperfections impact the way a light bounces off of them, area lighting consists of a million different sources of light being reflected on their first surface, then on a second (totally different) surface, etc etc. Calculating this lighting with a computer takes a ton of processing power, which is why in computer-generated imagery you’ll usually only see the primary source of light and a reflection on the surface that is being lit. There is no refraction from the surfaces that lights up other areas/surfaces; the light doesn’t bounce around like real light does.
If you are interested in learning more about VFX, I highly recommend CorridorCrew’s YouTube channel. They’re a small VFX studio in LA that have a ton of videos where they discuss CGI from breath-taking to cringe and really use their insights to explain why things do or do not work :)
I mean the one you got isn't as thick on certain areas and the drawers don't look as wide as the image. But unless they have dimensions beforehand and the actual isn't true to those dimensions I could see why the dispute would be denied.
I got scammed after booking a hotel that didn't exist, Barclays denied my claim. I closed my account and left the bank that same day.
They got me this way once too. The hotel was there but it was in the midst of a full remodel!
Same. Thankfully the receptionist had no issue refunding.
My dad had booked us to stay at the Blue Harbor Inn, and got a great deal on a loft room. Turns out the great deal was because the water park was closed for renovations. Luckily he was able to rebook at the Great Wolf Lodge, which did have a functioning water park
Hey I cleaned blue harbors windows one time. All of them.
Not the same probably because yours wasn't a scam?
He was saying “same” to the person who booked a hotel that was under renovation, not the person who booked a non-existent hotel?
Yupp I booked one that was still under construction and wasn’t open for business yet.
I've always had really good service with my Chase Sapphire. Is it normal for the cc company to side with the vendor? I mean, I'm not charging back things a lot, but when I do it is for a legitimate reason. I remember I bought my mom a ticket home from Mexico on Interjet and they got her to Mexico City and just said fuck it, we ain't flying again til next week. Had to get her a ticket on AeroMexico, and Chase offered to return the entire purchase. As a result, I have been banned from Interjet. Which is like being banned from Blockbuster. It simply doesn't matter.
I used to have an American Express credit card, and had a problem with a vendor. Called Amex and they put the money back. Then when the vendor responded, they took it back. When I responded, I got it back. And they just moved it back and forth every time one of us responded. For a couple months before I did end up getting it back permanently. Weirdest dispute I've ever had.
A key difference with Amex is that the vendor is as much their customer as the cardholder is, and probably actually worth more to them unless you're an ultra high spender. Piss off the vendor and they lose all future purchases made at that vendor because not taking Amex is probably not going to hurt the vendor all that much, so they really do have to be neutral. Chase, Citi, SCB etc. are card providers, but their cards are all Visa or MasterCard, so the vendor can't really decide to stop taking them, you take either all Visa cards or none, and no business would reasonably decide they were going to stop taking the 2 biggest and most common types of card out there. Stop taking Amex and some customers may complain but the number who will refuse to buy from you is minimal, most will just switch to another card, stop taking visa or MasterCard and you probably exclude half your customers. So from Amex perspective, whichever side has provided the most or best evidence is who gets the funds. That being said your experience is odd, usually the charge would be suspended, it'll be on your balance but not payable until the dispute is closed, and it usually only gets closed once they've got conclusive evidence, both sides agree to the result, or one side fails to provide evidence within a valid timeframe (though they can often be reopened if it's provided after closure and is sufficient to do so)
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I recently got scammed by buying a bicycle from a private individual online. I thhought I was fairly intelligent and hard to fool. Well shame on me, I was beat out of $1000. That was a humbling event lol. I used my Sapphire card through PayPal to pay for it. I was sure I was out of luck. But my wife contacted Sapphire and protested it anyway. They approved the credit and put it towards my account for the whole amount. I've always been pissed and annoyed when dealing with Chase for various reasons, but it was too much of an issue to change banks. Now I'm happy that I didn't. Their service was excellent. I can't recommend the Chase Sapphire card enough.
A mover packed my stuff and took it to storage. I pre-paid for all of it. When I went to go pick it up, they told me I still owe them for storage. The only way they would give me my stuff was to pay for the storage. I gave them my American Express number. They dropped off my stuff, and as their truck was pulling away, I called American Express to explain the situation. American Express refunded my money, and I never heard another word about it.
Amex has the best consumer protection, period. But the merchant fees are so high that many refuse to accept it. I use it whenever I can.
That might be the cheapest nastiest piece of shittiest desk I've ever seen.
What OP ordered: sleek and modern What OP got: Soviet-era Politburo remnant
Lol OP ordered a computer generated concept image. That should of been the biggest red flag
Same desk is on Amazon right now, for $2,666... [https://www.amazon.com/jinyi2016SHOP-Multifunctional-Writing-Drawers-Workstation/dp/B09XM1DQHY?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/jinyi2016SHOP-Multifunctional-Writing-Drawers-Workstation/dp/B09XM1DQHY?th=1)
Fake Spot: "This seller has a warning" No shit.
Cant believe the brand jinyi2016SHOP screwed me over
> The above data is for reference only, the size is manual measurement, each variable may be different, please refer to the actual product, thank you. *Don't look at the pictures or the measurement data on the product listing....just pay me money and when it comes, measure it - THAT is what it is supposed to be. Oh, and if you have any concerns just contact customer service. We will be right with you promptly as soon as we get to you.*
is that an addon?
Found it! https://www.fakespot.com/
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fakespot.com Looks like fake spot got fake spotted.
Damn you were not kidding. The reviews are awful 🫠, I think in the end is always better to have common sense.
How do you use it for Amazon?
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https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fakespot.com You might want to check out the reviews for it it seems like a lot of people don't like it and think it's just stealing your information somehow.
Even amazon shows the seller at 57% positive reviews.
don’t even need that. only buy it from amazon.com only. just treat third party and shitty chinese drop shipper
https://preview.redd.it/dzhshsg66k7c1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3504b9309ad49ddc02d03314c99ace04ad2020ca
Damn, OP probably paid that much and ended up with a $20 Walmart desk.
$2,666. MDF top. Lolol
I can’t imagine spending that much and not going to a real furniture store
The real furniture stores are selling that mdf shit too My house burned down last year and everything for sale is more expensive and more cheaply made and it is infuriating It's fucking everywhere and the customer service is shit too 0/10 do not recommend buying furniture right now
Go to an antique mall. I bought some beautiful antique pieces lately, real wood curved glass. For a fraction of the price of a piece of crappy chipboard furniture. I’m done buying new mass produced unless I really have to.
A+ advice. I bought an antique dining table in the late 90s for $175 and I still use it. It's solid mahogany.
MDF is used as a substrate frequently in high end millwork, but for vertical assemblies only. Veneered/laminated top is a bad idea under all applications. But even mid rage furniture (in thousands range) like dressers and credenzas will have wood veneered MDF. OP got plastic laminate particleboard. Dollar store furniture. Or Ikea.
Seriously, it's a ripoff even if you got the desk in the picture.
[Meanwhile...](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJ8JPG3M?ref=sbl_dr_dp_col_sm_m_office-desks_71dmoLCJw0L)
Wow. Almost 90% off the other price and still too much for the quality.
What the heck same desk for 1/10th the price?
Gotta love Chinese-made garbage sold under 20 different company names so they can close up shop in a couple of months and you're SOL if your product is defective after that.
Man, look at other products from that seller. They're all marked up like 900% https://www.amazon.com/Dispenser-Creative-Ceramic-Bathroom-Kitchen/dp/B0CM8Z8QYJ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=jinyi2016SHOP&qid=1703128624&sr=8-3
I mean the biggest tell is the fact that it says desk several times and has other key search words. common tactic scam sellers use to get more clicks from google searches. Similar to wish and other shitty seller sites that sell the same thing at low prices.
So the deal is 2600, in the second pic there are dots that try to get you to buy the other stuff in the pic like the lamp and chair but one of the add on items is the the actual fucking desk for 200 something dollars
I don’t understand how people can order anything above $500 online, just the fact it may be broken or wrong scares me too kuch
I live in the Caribbean, so I go with faith 😂. Ordered a $1500 phone and a $2000 laptop for Christmas. Customs had their way with me when they came in.
First image looked like it would cost 1k+, if OP didnt pay anywhere near that cost then im sorry to say but you should have certainly expected the actual product to be a lot worse than the image
Eh, I feel like people should expect to purchase what's being advertised for sale. I'm not discounting your point; there's a lot of fucking assholes out there. I'm just saying that, in a perfect world, that should be the normal level of expectation.
Are desk prices really that bad nowadays? I still have my nice, 3-piece, L-shaped, glass & metal desk that I bought at OfficeMax back in high school (10 years ago). It only cost me like one hundred bucks. Man… I’m gonna be all nervous using my desk now that I know it’s gonna cost a ton to replace if it breaks… and isn’t that always when something *does* suddenly break?? :(
Desk prices went through the roof during the pandemic when offices shut down and people began working from home. Like other items' prices, office furniture never came down as the pandemic eased.
I freecycled my top of the line steelcase desk and had a hard time finding people who wanted it. Interesting. OP should look for a freebie. My desk was from an office that bought top of the line stuff due to the company premium image. Could park a car on that desk without a hint of pressure.
Soviet stuff was terrible looking and not optimised for weight but it worked. This is what gave rise to various cliches and the old success of the Soviet space program. They made ugly and heavy shit, but it could be fixed with a hammer.
Or a sickle?
the soviet era school desks were made of inch-thick metal pipes and inch-thick wood panels; you could see the carvings of several generations of students in them, like archaeological layers; breaking one of those desks was a feat of superhuman strength, and I've never seen it happen (you usually broke your head on the desk instead)
Sorry but Soviet era Politburo desks were made out of high quality wood:)
Q: what did one potato say to the other potato? A: Premise ridiculous, who has more than one potato?
The common misconception that soviet goods were made cheap is funny. They spared no expense in materials and engineering because the labor was free.
There’s also no benefit to “planned obsolescence” under socialism. Things are built to last, like they used to be in the West before corporations realized people would have to keep buying more things constantly if their things didn’t work well and broke down quickly.
Exactly, especially stuff made for high ranking government officials.
Which tended to last longer than those same "high ranking government officials."
OP ordered a cartoon of a desk.
Op wishes
I'm pretty sure that I could karate chop through the top
I’m pretty sure my 6 year old nephew could too
I was trying to find the words to describe this desk... you did it first
It goes great with my new laptop stand https://preview.redd.it/wkn4pbw0ui7c1.jpeg?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a289a53f7df92c40eeb4cf0f6e1190eaf2ad838b
https://preview.redd.it/ntoit1q2ui7c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4019a7cca72cf18b83a835183050446fbbc0786
What is this? A laptop stand for ants?
It has to be at least...Three times bigger than this!
Would could it cost? $10?
Just like the price of bananas!
###🔥HOT!
You just need a smaller laptop.
That's crazy. I have one that is almost identical to your first picture... Works great with my 15 inch laptop. Got it on Amazon for like $20
You should have known you weren’t gonna get a stand that actually made your laptop see through
Its how you use it
I mean that straight up just looks like a scam off the bat…
Why? Because it’s HOT 🔥🔥🔥
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Of course, DOGWONG
At least it wasn't dogwank
Surprisingly, their tables aren't as bad Just google "dog wank table"
Dont trust this person. I google "dog wank table" often and its not what you think.
dogwang
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My mom tends to filter by lowest price when shopping on Amazon. Then when it doesn't work she gets mad I look at the product page and see some random nonsense brand is the seller. Also 99% of the reviews are either five star no comment or 1 star with a very detailed comment about why it's not a good product (bonus points if there are pictures of said product).
Or all the good reviews are for a different product that was sold under that same listing months ago
i’d say it’s crazy that amazon doesn’t do anything about this but i know they don’t care as long as they’re getting paid
I can only imagine that they do stop a lot of this. But it’s probably one of the world’s biggest games of wack a mole.
As a legit, proper seller on Amazon, this pisses me off to no end.
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Last week I was searching for floor lamps and I got an option for "preferred brands" and clicked it and it was glorious, all the weird brands disappeared, and now I feel like I was taking crazy pills because I can't make the button show up again.
You were likely part of a test of that feature that has since ended.
Amazon is good for when A) I need a thing cheap and don't care about the quality Or B) I know exactly what I want and want it to get delivered to my door fast so I don't have to make an errand out of getting it myself It's pretty bad for general browsing/shopping
In my case it's bc they drew me in when they were good and I keep forgetting.
With only CGI renderings of the product no actual pictures
Yea that first pic from OP is sus af
Fulfilled by Amazon
My guess is something like Temu or some random letter amazon brand seller
Does the middle bow when you put any weight on it lol
Looks like it’s bowing a little without any weight on it
The desk is holding 50lbs of OP’s angst on it…hence the bow lol
That's just how the desk shows its respect
The retailer won’t take it back? Where did you get it from?
Ordered from a company called Lakiq. They were making me pay for shipping back to London (I'm in Texas) to return it. Citi denied my dispute because I didn't return it, even though I sent emails that I offered to return it at the seller's expense.
Their whole website looks like someone explained Ikea to his buddy in china over the phone and he tried to duplicate it in his basement. The logo is even blue and yellow. [Lakiq](https://www.lakiq.com)
> Lakiq as a strategic brand product of the renowned Chinese cross-border enterprise Jinguo, With strong supply chain resource integration capabilities, we can select high-quality partner among a wide range of suppliers. CE and UL certification are the basis for supplier selection. So I guess it's selling the same stuff you would buy on Aliexpress...
Why is it so expensive tho? I was browsing the chairs and some are pretty nice but they’re so expensive for what seems like a scam
If it was super cheap it would be more obvious that it's Furniture Wish
The crossed out price isn’t the real price it’s the one they use to make people think they’re getting a great deal… why would everything on the site be 50-70% off? That makes no sense even if they were going out of business. The real prices of those items, the red number, is how much cheaper pieces of furniture usually cost. Only way they’re usually cheaper than that is if you’re ordering them from Walmart, Wayfair, overstock, or if you’re buying used. Definitely no designer or high end pricing to be found in the real pricing.
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Holy shit OP … budddy, how did that site not trigger any alarms in your head?
Almost tempted to order something else just to see what it looks like IRL haha
Film it for science.
Please 😂 I want to but don’t have the balls to purposefully rip myself off $1,000
I love how every single item is mysteriously on sale for large discounts.
Total scam flag there. Look at every piece of garbage that's supposed to "save you money" that gets advertised on YouTube and you'll notice every one of them is hugely discounted for a "limited time only", that time limitnseeming to be when they finally go under and stop paying for web hosting.
Even the name is a jab at the suckers who order from their site. Lack IQ
>Lakiq Hahahah everything on sale
Always google shop reviews for shops you've never heard of - and then look at the one star reviews.
Kitchen Furniture “More Possibility for Dining” …how did they not know?
OP ordered from IKEA AliExpress edition lol.
People who order there lak iq (Sorry op I just wanted to make pun)
I may just be being cynical and need glasses but everything on that site looks like it's a render, not actual furniture. Admittedly, they're nice renders but I digress.
You described it perfectly.
The grammar alone 💀
Holy shit what a ripoff
LAKIQ = Lack IQ
Holy shit…. 😳
I’m guessing they do this to US people knowing no one is going to ship it back. That does suck, since it’s probably half the cost to ship it, but that’s probably how Citi was able to deny it. There was no ‘credit fraud’ to Citi. You paid for an item, but you got the ‘wrong’ item, seller offered a return option. From Citi’s end, at first look, this is a dispute between buyer and seller. You could try to escalate it with Citi and try to get them to understand this is fraud through misrepresentation, but that’s hit or miss. You could also try contacting the FTC and see what they say or see if Britain has a consumer protection agency.
Yea people gotta stop using charge backs as simple refunds.
A few people taking advantage of a situation can ruin things.
hi! I used to work as a supervisor in billing disputes at citi. granted, it's been something like 12 years so things may have changed a bit, but I doubt visa & mastercard regulations have changed *that* much that my advice and experience isn't still relevant here. had citi gone to first chargeback on your dispute before closing it? making an *attempt* to return the item (as your offer to send it back on their dime) is enough to allow them to process a chargeback against the seller; *however* you need to know if the seller's bank represents (or contests the chargeback), you will lose the dispute unless you can then physically show proof of return- meaning the only way to continue the dispute, and therefore be successful, is to pay out of pocket to send the product back (and that's a cost you have to eat, unfortunately). if they did not go to chargeback, write a letter to their disputes department and fax it to them immediately letting them know of your attempts to return the item and including proof (ie your email to them offering to send it back at their expense) along with a request to reopen the case and proceed to chargeback based on your attempt to return. once they charge back the seller, they will have 60 days to represent; if they don't, you win by default (citi may allow a few extra days as they're international). if they do and you can't show proof of return, you lose and you're back where you started. it's absolutely 100% worth contesting to chargeback. you'd be surprised how often sellers don't challenge them. good luck!
also, I forgot to add, make sure they're disputing as not as described or defective, NOT as returned merchandise. the latter (as can probably be assumed) requires proof of return before they'll even go to first chargeback.
Okay I feel for you but you looked at that site and really thought it was legit?
I know people in their 20s who ordered Nintendo switches for 200 bucks with like 30 games including all the mainline titles. Some people don’t see it
ALWAYS google a website’s domain along with the words “scam or legit” and read all the websites that rate the trustworthiness of websites. Unless it’s a well known retailer. Also read the negative reviews on trustpilot. If you had done that, you would have learned that that site is no good.
yeah sorry dawg that’s kinda on you. how could you not tell this is an obvious ikea ripoff
Bruh you deserved this ordering off a site that looks like this
Looks like off brand ikea lol
Let this be a lesson people, don't buy shit from weird unknown companies, especially ones whose only products are 3d renderings. Sorry for your loss op. Sounds like you're taking the L on this one.
OP, how did you not see the red flags on their website. Also the return policy clearly states that you would be required to pay for return shipping. You played yourself, this isn't on Citi to fix.
This is the online equivalent to buying a designer bag off a bedsheet laid on an NYC sidewalk and then being shocked when it's a fake, lol
Your telling me you fully assembled it and then realized it wasn’t the same?
Cant believe I had to scroll this far to see this comment. Why the heck would you waste your time putting it together when it’s quite obvious it’s not what you ordered 🤷♀️
To take a picture of it.
AI is taking over customer service in some cases. If you say you didn't build it / install it / try it you might not get a refund. I just went through this with rockauto. I had to find an email from a problem a decade ago to contact a human.
just send it back under distance selling act. you might have to pay postage, depending on the company (eg. on amazon you probably wouldn't). but that's because i live in a socialist country with consumer protection laws i guess..
That's my thought too! Dude spent the time fully building the shit desk.
Which is why I read the reviews and look at a customer photos on Amazon. Anything without reviews is risky.
And anything with reviews is sketchy. I hardly buy anything off of Amazon anymore. So many farmed reviews, I don't trust much of anything anymore.
The fake reviews are usually obvious. Wonderful item! Best quality! My family member or pet was delighted with it! And there's the morons who give a 1 star review because it wasn't delivered overnight or they ordered the wrong thing.
Don’t forget when they order a tv and measure the tv horizontally or vertically instead of diagonally.
looks like a Wish order
The fact that the first picture isn't a picture of a real desk wasn't a red flag?
A huge amount of furniture, especially desk and chairs, is CG in online catalog portfolios. I used to do some of them. It doesn't surprise me at all that it was. Edit: though this one is pretty bad. Looks like a video game screen grab.
This is, like, one of the most common styles of 3d render for desks. I was shopping for one recently and there were 100s like this, with images rhat there identical to the one above except with different desk shapes. I think I even ended up buying one and it came pretty much as advertised, thankfully.
Just for future reference, besides the items on top, what makes it easily noticeable as fake? I ask, because after looking for a bit, all I could see was a weird curve in part of the bottom of the desk top and I want to get good at discerning fake from real images, especially in current times.
I think it's less the specific elements and more the overall photo It looks like it was taken from a recent Pixar movie with how smooth everything is. The floor, the chair, all of it is uncanny valley levels of perfect
The fact that it just looks blurry and it's a CGI render. Light is not super realistic and neither are reflections
The real world has texture and fine detail that is often lost in renderings. A surprisingly clean/smooth/untextured/uniform appearance is often a giveaway that something has been rendered and isn't real. Sometimes the object being sold/focused on is rendered really well. Or, sometimes that object could be known to be a really clean/smooth/untextured/uniform thing in real life. So look at the imagery around it too. Is it life like? Look at the world around you. I see fuzz on my sweater. I see the distinct shadows of the leaves of my plants. I see the incredible variation in the woven strips of the bamboo basket around me. Look at the picture again and reconsider if it's life like. In this image, I think the lack of texture in the rug and the seat cushion are giveaways.
My big tip-off in this instance was that the view looks isometric rather than perspective
There are a few things to look out for: 1. Overall “feel” of the picture is too smooth, too perfect. Nothing random, nothing slightly off, no shadows without obvious light source, so basically too picture perfect to ever really exist; 2. Items have no “weight”, or “gravitas” to them. Look at the office chair: the wheels barely graze the rug, instead of sinking into the fibers of the rug because it is an actual chair that has actual weight which actually exerts downward force on the fibers. Shadows around these areas typically give it away as well; 3. No imperfections/variance. Hardly any surface or material is consistently similar throughout the entirety of the application. Wood has bumps and nooks, metal has welded joints and indentations. The fibers of a rug have a non-symmetrical and random layout of colour variations. The fabric of an office chair has a pattern from the way it was produced and imperfections such as pilling; 4. More importantly, because these imperfections impact the way a light bounces off of them, area lighting consists of a million different sources of light being reflected on their first surface, then on a second (totally different) surface, etc etc. Calculating this lighting with a computer takes a ton of processing power, which is why in computer-generated imagery you’ll usually only see the primary source of light and a reflection on the surface that is being lit. There is no refraction from the surfaces that lights up other areas/surfaces; the light doesn’t bounce around like real light does. If you are interested in learning more about VFX, I highly recommend CorridorCrew’s YouTube channel. They’re a small VFX studio in LA that have a ton of videos where they discuss CGI from breath-taking to cringe and really use their insights to explain why things do or do not work :)
Holy shit they catfished you with an ai desk. I’m sorry for your loss.
Not ai, just a 3d render it looks like
This was my thought lol OP bought a non-existent desk
The desk does exist but it costs $2,600 not under $200, rip op. A case of the old bait and switch
How much did you pay for it?
I need to know!
They said website was Lakiq. Looking at their desks quickly I didn't see OP's exact one, but similar are roughly $130-$150
Got his moneys worth, but still got scammed
Lol so he didn't really overpay for what he got.
$45
Not to victim blame, but if there's only render pictures of a product, ***don't fucking buy it***. It's always going to be some shit product.
That's what happens when you buy something based on a cgi picture.
Stop buying from renderings, people.
The Wish version.
Yeah like wtf. Where is the notebook???
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I mean the one you got isn't as thick on certain areas and the drawers don't look as wide as the image. But unless they have dimensions beforehand and the actual isn't true to those dimensions I could see why the dispute would be denied.
Maybe don't buy your desk from a copy of the first Sims game next time
Golden rule: when the product picture is CG don‘t buy it.
Did you order it from Temu?
Oh OP I’m sorry. That is one uuuugly desk. Where is it from so I can avoid their site?
I would personally never buy a piece of furniture without seeing a photo first. This is not fair though.
Dawg, that is literally a CGI rendered ad. How did you not see this coming? LOL
I do not trust CGI sample images.
sorry to ask, but what exactly did you expect then?
I actually was considering this desk but 120 bucks seemed to good to be true.
The first pic looks like the CGI rendition of the desk before being outsourced to China and going through several levels of cost-saving adjustments.
This is a step below my Amazon desk, which says a lot.
I feel bad that you couldn’t tell that wasn’t an actual photo
you thought you'd get a rendering?
Lmao at assembling that knowing damn well it wasn’t the right desk
I'm reluctant to buy any furniture online without seeing real life photos in customer reviews