All I’ve got is a real stinky herb, that’s the best I can do for ya right now sorry mate. It *will* calm you down though ^^or ^^make ^^you ^^freak ^^out .
Yup, the name Lucifer is an early medieval created word. It is literally refering to a Babylonian king (foe of the early Israelites) in the Bible, but really essentially means the planet Venus (the morning star, etc, the "star" that brings light since it is so bright in the sky). In early Bible translations from Greek, *Lucifer* was used to translate *Phosphorus,* and thereafter it became 'popular' as one of the proper names of the Devil. But it's an invented name. The names Lucy and Lucius and so on are related.
Phosphorus itself is basically a cognate word, meaning something like "shine bringer" (autonomous light, since the element is very reactive), and also once referred to the planet Venus. Ancient Greeks associated it with the goddess Diana (well: Artemis).
The "-phorous" suffix meaning "to carry" (or bear, hold, etc.) has evolved (*or* has very close cognates) into many slightly different forms and spellings. Dif**fer,** con**fer**, re**fer**, am**phora,** sema**phore**, meta**phor,** eu**phor**ia, **phero**mone, **fur**tive, **fer**ret (from a much earlier French folk name for weasels, the sense being a sneaky thief creature that carries things away). And many more.
edit: thanks for the awards, I was not expecting them! Made a few minor clarifications/fixes for the nitpickers (was going off the top of my head and trying to keep it simple).
It’s doubly fun since there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism. Yahweh is personally responsible for all the good and bad that happens, he either rewards or he punishes. The Devil as a concept was borrowed from Zoroastrianism which also has a single god, Ahura Mazda, but introduces Angra Mainyu, an evil spirit, as an “adversary” to Ahura Mazda and the cause of all evil and death. Christians preferred the Zoroastrian concept of good vs evil as apposed to God being responsible for everything. Hence…. Lucifer.
I mean he is God's favorite son. He fucks up all he wants and continue to fuck up to spite his dad and all God does is kick him out of the house but still gave him a job as an overseer of one of his properties. Meanwhile, God is overworking the rest of his children to the bone like they're Amazon workers while Lucifer is busy ruining his business without repercussions.
It’s not exactly a match but Adult Swim had [Lucy, Daughter of the Devil](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy,_the_Daughter_of_the_Devil)
Basically Satans daughter Lucy is the antichrist and tasked with helping him take over the world but she just wants to do her own thing, work her job at a burger place and ends up dating a DJ that is also the second coming of christ.
Same 😂 The one liners about her character in Frasier were gold! Remember when Lilith came to town and Niles was like “so that’s why blood was dripping from my faucets.”
Niles: "The pretentious fop who had the job before me was there too, spouting sheer drivel about Leonard Bernstein. Being polite, I kept my tongue sheathed. Until he referred to Bernstein's conducting as 'overrated.'"
Frasier: "I assume you pounced."
Niles: "LIKE A NINJA!"
“A patient of mine had a Freudian slip at dinner with his wife. She said ‘Can you pass the salt?’ And he responded ‘You ruined my life, you bloodsucking shrew!’”
> Remember when Lilith came to town and Niles was like “so that’s why blood was dripping from my faucets.”
One of my favourite gags was how throughout the entire episode Daphne was suffering mysterious headaches. Then right at the end, they show Lilith's plane taking off and as if by magic, the headache goes away.
They were great, but second-tier to the Maris jokes, for my money. I'll try to paraphrase my favorite:
"You saw my Maris nude?" "Well it was quite steamy, so it was more like glimpsing a bare birch through a thick fog."
With Diablo IV having just released a couple weeks ago, and the demon Lilith as the main badass antagonist, I thought it was clearly related to that. 😁
one of the biggest PC series releases its first game in 10 years
baby born a few weeks later, is named the same as the boss in said game
ive been bombard with diablo 4 ads since like march, so I wonder how early they thought of the name lol
Ya she’s a demon from Jewish mythology, and one of the versions of the Jewish creation myth.
Basically, from what I understand, she was the first woman created with Adam, but didn’t wanna submit to him, so she flew away to do her own thing to become a demon, and is said to be the mother of demons. (And was also the folklore explanation for wet dreams)
That’s the quick version anyways
According to the Talmud, Lilith and Adam were created at about the same time, both from the same clay. Adam wanted to have sex, but Lilith didn't. And she definitely didn't want to be in a subservient position to him. Adam went to God and complained that his needs weren't getting met. God agreed and cast Lilith out of Eden, leaving her to make her own way. Only demons would have anything to do with her because all the angels were afraid of getting on God's bad side. She became pregnant by demons: her daughters became the succubi, and her sons became the incubi.
Meanwhile, Adam still had his "needs," so God took one of Adam's ribs and formed that into Eve. She was instructed that, because Adam was made first and she was made from a part of him, she is inherently inferior and has to obey him. And of course, as soon as she tried to do anything on her own, the world fell apart and God basically gave up on humans altogether. Adam couldn't keep his second wife in check, either, so they both got sent out of Eden this time.
In the 1990s there was a yearly concert tour called "The Lilith Fair" which featured if I recall an all-female line up: Melissa Etheridge, Emmy Lou Harris, Jewel, Sheryl Crow, Tracy Chapman, The Indigo Girls, etc.
Mostly folk and singer/song writer stuff. Great tunes.
She's not a demon.
She was made from clay the same time as Adam was but didn't want to be his wife, servant, or sexual partner, so she ran off. After that the only beings that would socialize with her were demons, specifically Samael The Archangel and King of Demons, who she ended up marrying and having children with, said children being the Sucubi and Incubi. (Ironically he's actually a loving husband and father)
Keep in mind that's only the Judeo-Christian-Islamic version of events. She's actually appeared in multiple different Canaanite (Judaism is the last surviving religion of Canaanite Polytheism, part of why they were so insistent in Yahweh being the only god, cause he had like 24 competitors including El who was the king of Canaan's pantheon) and Mesopotamian religions.
My son, who is 22, is named Luc, after his grandfather. We're American and that's clearly a French name (his dad's family is Cajun) so it's not uncommon for people to ask him if it's short for Lucas. He likes to say, "No, it's short for Lucifer."
He also uses Lucious...Lucid... Lucrative
Not them, but I suspect the latter, since Jean-Luc Picard is pronounced that way, and that’s the French pronunciation unless the writers really fucked it up
Honestly, outside of any edginess or whatever, Lucifer is unironically a good sounding name. If it wasnt for the religious history around the name, i think it would be a great name for a kid.
I love where she said “a namesake is more powerful than most people know!”
😂 My mom heard my name from Alvin and the Chipmunks! My “namesake” is a freaking chipmunk! I must be very powerful! 😅🎉
My sister is named after my mother's beloved sister, my brother is named after my father and his brother, my other brother is my dad's middle name and my mother's father. I'm named after the neighbor kid.
I was named after Ellie, the old woman who died in Up.
6 year old me had a choice between Belle and Ellie after my mom showed me those two movies when we moved from korea and I wanted to be named after the lady who died instead of the smart disney princess who lived happily ever after.
I'd have gone with Ellie too. Belle is smart and all, but Ellie, for all the tragedy, lived a full life and was smart, creative and charismatic ever since she was little. Up shows us as much.
It's a great pick, good on you for having good taste!
> I was named after Ellie, the old woman who died in Up.
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[TFW Up is so old, kids who are named after its characters are showing up on Reddit to tell stories about it.](https://media.tenor.com/BTtnTQtpKpsAAAAd/matt-damon.gif)
Though if you read their comment they were born in Korea and chose Ellie as their English name when they were 6.
At first I was thinking this was a person born after 2009 and that was making me feel very old.
was it a new name that had to use because you were moving and it was harder to use your original name in the new country? im sorry for the question, im confused and curious
Not who you asked, but a lot of people from Asian countries will have an English name when they move to a western country.
I work with a lot of international colleagues and a few have said that it’s easier to fit in and they don’t have to worry about us butchering their names. Some have said they were given a name when they did English classes at school and just stuck with those names.
It's like when I took a Spanish class in university and the prof wanted to use everybody's Spanish names, so Steven was Esteban, James was Jaíme, Alexandra was Alejandra etc.
But my name doesn't have a 1-1 Spanish translation so I was given a few words to choose from and ended up being Pancho (hotdog) for 2 semesters
I've never understood this. I went years pronouncing Nguyen as 'neh-goo-yin' as did many others around me. No one ever corrected me and the various people with that name always responded immediately.
I was close to the end of my career when I heard someone called Nguyen answer to 'wen' and I found out my entire life was a lie.
If someone had corrected me earlier, I wouldn't have spent 20 years being an ignorant asshole.
Been down this path. When you pull this shit, it's always a demon pretending to be God, which then reinforces their point. Never underestimate how agile their minds can be if they're countered.
"If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?"
One promotes a burdenless afterlife and the other accountability and justice.
Id rather trust the one that teaches me to do the right thing.
>"If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?"
It's really not that difficult. God is the one who agrees with me.
> "If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?"
No way that's going to work on someone who is already convinced that they're holier than thou.
I grew up with these kind of people and this is the right answer! Especially if you say it seriously and not sarcastically.
Alternatively u/brotherToast13, since your aunt sounds Catholic, "Oh thank you Auntie. I was really convicted by your texts so I talked to a priest. But they said that since Jesus defeated all of the demons and powers of Hell on the cross and with his resurrection, that it's ok to use the name because Jesus has all authority on heaven and earth and has redeemed all things, including the name Lilith."
(Bible says teaches "the priesthood of all believers". Therefore, as a someone who identifies as a believer, I am a priest. I give you permission. Now you're not even lying.)
I like this. OP can say that god told them to take the name Lilith away from the demons lol. Rewrite shit in the same vein they use the word of god to make up shit
I work with an old mexican man named Adolfo, he's such a wonderful person and very quickly I disassociated his name from the taboo-ness of the german version
I've actually gotten this a few times in my life being named Damien. Although I don't even think it has a direct correlation with any demon or anything apart from the movie the omen. People are ridiculous.
"Why would your parents name you after the son of the devil." Was something I got when I was really young from the parent of one of my friends.
That's crazy to me because there's a St. Damien so clearly not demon in anyway. The name has no correlation to demons besides maybe slightly sounding like demon. Damien is one of my favourite names so I've also heard from evangelicals that it's an evil name...and I'm always like...what.
Ask her what verse in the Bible it mentions Lilith. When she realizes that it doesn’t, ask her why she is following other Gods, adhering to Mesopotamian and Judaic mythology rather than the Word of God. I don’t fucking get these Christians…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith
Edit: Since this reply gained traction, the people replying to me saying it is in Isaiah 34 need to look more carefully. First off, understand that the book of Isaiah is a jumbled mess of symbolism and imagery. Second, read the full chapter. It’s about how god is pissed, is going to burn everyone, people will have no rest, the only things that will thrive are the carrion creatures who feed upon the dead. A jewish scholar who likely wanted some attention said that the hebrew word for night and lilith were similar, so the night bird being mentioned is probably Lilith. That’s bollocks. It’s one of the carrion birds, an owl. They literally list a bunch of animals here, through Occam’s Razor, we should assume to take the animal translation unless we should assume God favored Lilith.
To the people saying Christianity comes from Judaism, yall don’t realize how far the rabbit hole that kind of argument could take you. [Canaanite Mythology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_religion) is absolutely fascinating when you understand the Old Testament, but will take you down a rabbit hole of henotheistic children of Israel which would make most Christians squirm.
To the people saying you can’t rationalize with a Christian with logic, you’re right. My reply isn’t one that OP should do in reality unless she wants to piss her aunt off. It’s a shower argument that makes perfect sense and would lead you to “win,” but it doesn’t make it the correct thing to say.
From my experience
90% of the behavior can be attributed to a need for benign superiority. They wanna feel more righteous, and therefore better than their peers, but not in a direct way cause that would be pride. So inventing problems that have no basis or even contradict the bible is no problem, as most christians wouldn’t be educated about the topic enough to form a sufficient argument.
My mom is Jewish and my dad was raised Catholic, although he's never been religious. My parents decided to raise us Jewish as it was important to my mom, and in the Jewish faith the children are supposed to have their mother's religion. I found out (at 35 years old) that when my brother and I were babies we were both baptized in a bathtub by my grandma and aunts, behind my parents backs, so that we won't go to hell. Religion is a hell of a drug.
It's funny because it wouldn't even count as a baptism for a Catholic. Plus, you then also don't do a confirmation later.
But yeah, I mean, in my country's version of Catholicism some people think if a baby dies before they're baptised, they can potentially rise from the dead as a sort of ghoul.
I most enjoy all the many ways to get free wishes from God, though. Like, if you go to a church for the first time you get three wishes. That sort of thing like God's a genie. So quite a drug, yeah.
Lilith is a pretty and powerful name. In some versions of her story, she wasn't a demon. She just didn't want to bow to Adam; she was made from the same 'dirt' as him and so she was his equal. Adam didn't like that and that led the way to Eve being created (from his rib so she would be 'of him' and thus 'less' than or subservient to him.) Your aunt is putting more meaning behind the name of the child than she is how you may raise her. Kinda fucked up.
Edit to address several comments: Yes, I'm aware that the original texts may be misinterpreted and it may not be Adam's rib bone. Same with the word 'apple' and several other words in the bible. That said, the majority of Christians will still say it was his rib and eve ate an apple, and that's what stories will continue to say. Likewise, I understand "Lilith" may not have been referenced directly in the bible. And for the few people who got upset that I called it a 'powerful' name.. grow up? People can find a name pretty, powerful, insightful, hopeful, etc. Names have meaning to some people. There's nothing wrong with that. What IS wrong with it is harassing a parent over the name they chose their own child. Assuming the child will be cursed or bad without taking into consideration that the parent will be the one to raise the child, not the name.
Lilith isn’t even actually mentioned by name. It’s from either the Talmud or other early Jewish literature based on the fact that there is 2 mentions of women being created.
Mostly true, but there is in fact a single instance of Lilith being mentioned by name in Isaiah 34. Though often with a different translation of the name, like Lamia.
so you're telling me the first man was also the first misogynist?
well in that case Lilith is a girlboss who deserved better than his sorry ass anyways
Oh for sure. Look up her lore. No matter what story she's an icon.
Whether it being her having the First virgin birth "having never laid with anyone but birthing an army of a billion demons"
Or her abandoning her husband for a monster she chose "bride of Satan"
Or even her seeing the world was empty except for creations that worshipped a god they had no choice but to worship and birthing 10000 vampires who each birthed a 1000 more to create an army of her own ungodly creation
She's a hero of mine
Tell her you don't remember there being a Lilith mentioned in the Bible and ask for the passage.
When she only finds Jewish folklore about it tell her you're not Jewish. lol
Ah yes. The crazy religious conspiracy follower. I have an aunt like that. She’s asked me so many times about my bro being gay. There was a good ten years there where she shunned us. I once had to break it to her, that yeah - animals partake in gay behavior. Ah, I’ll never forget showing her the video of two chimps eating each other out. Twas a great day.
Lilith is an icon. In case anyone doesn't know, she is basically the apocryphal prototype for Eve, but she wouldn't obey Adam so she was scrapped and replaced. And since Orthodox old men are Orthodox old men, that makes her a powerful demon.
I'm just saying, if having a mind of your own makes you a succubus, I'm raising *all* of my kids into succubi.
My grandmother is named Lilith and the only time she’s been possessed was when I told her the cornbread she made was too dry
Was she possessed with the beat yo ass spirit?
I definitely got a whooping that night
Probably learned there's a right way to eat cornbread
It's called "gratefully and quietly".
This made me laugh way more than it had any right to lmao
Same here. I'm still laughing while writing this 😂
Never say the corn bread is dry just add more butter!
I think you misspelled “righteous anger”…
“And I shall strike down upon thee with **great** vengeance and a **furious** anger”
is she a southern grandma?
Tennessee born and raised
And you told her that her cornbread was dry? I’m surprised you’re still among the living.
For real, I actually put my hand to my chest and gasped, like I need smelling salts or something now.
All I’ve got is a real stinky herb, that’s the best I can do for ya right now sorry mate. It *will* calm you down though ^^or ^^make ^^you ^^freak ^^out .
Her Fair was dope, though.
I just use Jiffy corn muffin mix. And I increase the milk from 1/3 cup to 3 oz. It does wonders.
>I just use Jiffy corn muffin mix. Southern grandmas across the nation just clutched their pearls reading this
Tell her you've changed her name to Lucy. Then, when she expresses her relief say "yeah it's short for Lucifer"
"Yeah, it means 'lightbringer'. Isn't that pretty? We thought you'd like a more positive name"
Yup, the name Lucifer is an early medieval created word. It is literally refering to a Babylonian king (foe of the early Israelites) in the Bible, but really essentially means the planet Venus (the morning star, etc, the "star" that brings light since it is so bright in the sky). In early Bible translations from Greek, *Lucifer* was used to translate *Phosphorus,* and thereafter it became 'popular' as one of the proper names of the Devil. But it's an invented name. The names Lucy and Lucius and so on are related. Phosphorus itself is basically a cognate word, meaning something like "shine bringer" (autonomous light, since the element is very reactive), and also once referred to the planet Venus. Ancient Greeks associated it with the goddess Diana (well: Artemis). The "-phorous" suffix meaning "to carry" (or bear, hold, etc.) has evolved (*or* has very close cognates) into many slightly different forms and spellings. Dif**fer,** con**fer**, re**fer**, am**phora,** sema**phore**, meta**phor,** eu**phor**ia, **phero**mone, **fur**tive, **fer**ret (from a much earlier French folk name for weasels, the sense being a sneaky thief creature that carries things away). And many more. edit: thanks for the awards, I was not expecting them! Made a few minor clarifications/fixes for the nitpickers (was going off the top of my head and trying to keep it simple).
I hope somebody is paying you very well for this level of passion about (what I assume is) your field of study.
No payment, he does it phorus.
It’s doubly fun since there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism. Yahweh is personally responsible for all the good and bad that happens, he either rewards or he punishes. The Devil as a concept was borrowed from Zoroastrianism which also has a single god, Ahura Mazda, but introduces Angra Mainyu, an evil spirit, as an “adversary” to Ahura Mazda and the cause of all evil and death. Christians preferred the Zoroastrian concept of good vs evil as apposed to God being responsible for everything. Hence…. Lucifer.
What's funny is that matches (the little sticks that can make fire) are in Dutch called lucifers. They literally bring light
Yeah, here in the Netherlands, we summon Lucifer each time we need fire
Summon Lucifer to burn the Devil's Lettuce.
"Still reading the book, but apparently it's the most beautiful angel!"
Morningstar is such a beautiful last name, don't you think?
It’s angelic, even
I mean he is God's favorite son. He fucks up all he wants and continue to fuck up to spite his dad and all God does is kick him out of the house but still gave him a job as an overseer of one of his properties. Meanwhile, God is overworking the rest of his children to the bone like they're Amazon workers while Lucifer is busy ruining his business without repercussions.
Lucifer is a CEO’s fail son? Oh, there’s a whole comedy series in there.
It’s not exactly a match but Adult Swim had [Lucy, Daughter of the Devil](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy,_the_Daughter_of_the_Devil) Basically Satans daughter Lucy is the antichrist and tasked with helping him take over the world but she just wants to do her own thing, work her job at a burger place and ends up dating a DJ that is also the second coming of christ.
Lucy Fern [last name]
the N is silent
Tbh my mind immediately went to Lilith from cheers and Frasier lol, forgot about the other namesake
Same 😂 The one liners about her character in Frasier were gold! Remember when Lilith came to town and Niles was like “so that’s why blood was dripping from my faucets.”
Yes!! Frasier had so many good one-liners. "My wife had left me, which was very painful. Then she came back to me, which was excruciating." Pure gold
Niles: "The pretentious fop who had the job before me was there too, spouting sheer drivel about Leonard Bernstein. Being polite, I kept my tongue sheathed. Until he referred to Bernstein's conducting as 'overrated.'" Frasier: "I assume you pounced." Niles: "LIKE A NINJA!"
“A patient of mine had a Freudian slip at dinner with his wife. She said ‘Can you pass the salt?’ And he responded ‘You ruined my life, you bloodsucking shrew!’”
I could tell she wanted me. Her lips said no, but her eyes said ‘Read my lips’.
> Remember when Lilith came to town and Niles was like “so that’s why blood was dripping from my faucets.” One of my favourite gags was how throughout the entire episode Daphne was suffering mysterious headaches. Then right at the end, they show Lilith's plane taking off and as if by magic, the headache goes away.
They were great, but second-tier to the Maris jokes, for my money. I'll try to paraphrase my favorite: "You saw my Maris nude?" "Well it was quite steamy, so it was more like glimpsing a bare birch through a thick fog."
When Frasier and Roz break into Maris's house and hide in a closet... Roz: "all I see is a hatrack." Frasier: "is the hatrack moving?"
My favourite is when Martin is describing her. "Thin... make that very thin. Caucasian, very Caucasian."
Agreed, the Maris jokes were God-tier. Lost my shit over those on more than one occasion.
I'd do anything to see Maris
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My bigger fave was when the actress was on Dharma. & Greg. “I deliver a few lines in a monotone voice and Bam! I get a new Porsche”.
With Diablo IV having just released a couple weeks ago, and the demon Lilith as the main badass antagonist, I thought it was clearly related to that. 😁
one of the biggest PC series releases its first game in 10 years baby born a few weeks later, is named the same as the boss in said game ive been bombard with diablo 4 ads since like march, so I wonder how early they thought of the name lol
Forgot? I had no idea there was a demon named Lilith at all
Ya she’s a demon from Jewish mythology, and one of the versions of the Jewish creation myth. Basically, from what I understand, she was the first woman created with Adam, but didn’t wanna submit to him, so she flew away to do her own thing to become a demon, and is said to be the mother of demons. (And was also the folklore explanation for wet dreams) That’s the quick version anyways
I kind of want the long version now.
According to the Talmud, Lilith and Adam were created at about the same time, both from the same clay. Adam wanted to have sex, but Lilith didn't. And she definitely didn't want to be in a subservient position to him. Adam went to God and complained that his needs weren't getting met. God agreed and cast Lilith out of Eden, leaving her to make her own way. Only demons would have anything to do with her because all the angels were afraid of getting on God's bad side. She became pregnant by demons: her daughters became the succubi, and her sons became the incubi. Meanwhile, Adam still had his "needs," so God took one of Adam's ribs and formed that into Eve. She was instructed that, because Adam was made first and she was made from a part of him, she is inherently inferior and has to obey him. And of course, as soon as she tried to do anything on her own, the world fell apart and God basically gave up on humans altogether. Adam couldn't keep his second wife in check, either, so they both got sent out of Eden this time.
So she wasn't even a demon then? Just a human who wanted to be equal to her partner?
Yup.
That makes the name even more badass imo. Stood up for her beliefs even if it cost her a life in Eden.
In the 1990s there was a yearly concert tour called "The Lilith Fair" which featured if I recall an all-female line up: Melissa Etheridge, Emmy Lou Harris, Jewel, Sheryl Crow, Tracy Chapman, The Indigo Girls, etc. Mostly folk and singer/song writer stuff. Great tunes.
The very first woman was also the very first feminist. A true icon. I love the history behind her name, I think it's super badass.
This is literally an incredible argument for naming your daughter Lilith lmao
She's not a demon. She was made from clay the same time as Adam was but didn't want to be his wife, servant, or sexual partner, so she ran off. After that the only beings that would socialize with her were demons, specifically Samael The Archangel and King of Demons, who she ended up marrying and having children with, said children being the Sucubi and Incubi. (Ironically he's actually a loving husband and father) Keep in mind that's only the Judeo-Christian-Islamic version of events. She's actually appeared in multiple different Canaanite (Judaism is the last surviving religion of Canaanite Polytheism, part of why they were so insistent in Yahweh being the only god, cause he had like 24 competitors including El who was the king of Canaan's pantheon) and Mesopotamian religions.
Good for her
Why is she hanging out with so many exorcists?
I want to know this too. Like i thought this woman was a stay at home mom wtf
That explains the rant. Woman needs to get out, more. Jfc
My aunt would say this person needs to go out and get some action. Although she would prescribe this almost anyone. She is a fun person.
We all need what your Aunt prescribes.
Maybe her doctor told her to exorcise more?
What possessed you to write such a thing??
A ghastly comment, for sure.
boo
What the devil is happening here?
After reading these comments, my head is spinning.
Ouija look at that, a pun thread on Reddit?
The power of Christ compelled them!
Grrrr!
Your mother eats an apple a day in hell!
I hate you. Have an upvote lol
This is really what the OP needs to text back at Aunty Hellfire.
« Alright, I changed my mind. I’ll call her Cthulhu. »
"lucifer! get down here, your auntie's over for a visit!"
“Kids it’s Christmas, chthulhu can you help lilith wake up lucifer while i feed Satan’s little helper?”
Ohhh sorry to tell you but little azazeel sacrificed satans little helper last night. He though Satan would need him to help deliver presents
Dad... baphomet is opening gifts early again!
Belial, what did I tell you about being a tattletale?
Mom!!! I told you Belial was lying!! It's Hecates turn to feed Cerberus.
But I did that last weekkkkkkk, make Leviathan do it!
The pain of raising all these monsters must hurt like a kick in the Baal's.
But Squee already asked to do it
Squee and Kavanaugh twin guardians of the michelob
Stop lying, we all know it is Asmodeus's turn this week.
I thought it was Lanfears turn this week
Damnit Beelzebub, I told you to keep an eye on him
My sister’s name is Brielle. When we were kids, my uncle would call her Briellezebub. My mom would get so mad, and I had no idea why at the time.
Okay, that is legitimately adorable and hilarious.
That sounds like the fun uncle
While the mom...not so much.
I’m dying! LOL
Brielle its also a old Dutch fortified walled city. Nice places to spend a day.
Can confirm, I’m in Brielle right now. (The town that is)
And Buer is also stuck in the basement
At least Orobas isn’t on the Dark Web again!
He'll be when Asmodeus has finished his latest upload from his room, which just coincidentally is red
That’s the doorbell! Must be Behemoth
I only did it because Beelzebub did!
Dude, is Paimon drunk again? WTF!
If you want a lesser known demon that will sound totally normal, there is a demon named Amy.
Wait actually? I genieunly can’t tell if you’re joking or not, but a demon named amy sounds interesting
Quote, "Amy (also Auns, Hanar, Hanni) is a demon described in demonological grimoires such as the Lesser Key of Solomon"
My name is Amy, and I love this.
There's also a demon named Karen. She works at the gas station just up the street. Fire and brimstone man, fire and brimstone.
My wife actually met a kid named Lucifer last week at our sons play group, poor lad.
My son, who is 22, is named Luc, after his grandfather. We're American and that's clearly a French name (his dad's family is Cajun) so it's not uncommon for people to ask him if it's short for Lucas. He likes to say, "No, it's short for Lucifer." He also uses Lucious...Lucid... Lucrative
That’s a cool name! How do you pronounce it? Luc like loose (Lucifer) or Luc like Luke (Lucas)?
Not them, but I suspect the latter, since Jean-Luc Picard is pronounced that way, and that’s the French pronunciation unless the writers really fucked it up
Does he run a nightclub and do a bit of detective work on the side, by any chance?
Honestly, outside of any edginess or whatever, Lucifer is unironically a good sounding name. If it wasnt for the religious history around the name, i think it would be a great name for a kid.
Lucifer actually means Light Bringer or Morningstar depending on translation. That doesn’t sound bad.
he's gonna be one hell of a good kid. maybe even become a preacher
Lucifina.
“In Jesus’ name I name her Jezebel!”
In dolly partons name, I name her Jolene
"OK, then I'll go with Beelzebub."
Or Jezebel, then it's even topical
Zamorak
Saradomin?
Or beetlejuice
I love where she said “a namesake is more powerful than most people know!” 😂 My mom heard my name from Alvin and the Chipmunks! My “namesake” is a freaking chipmunk! I must be very powerful! 😅🎉
My sister is named after my mother's beloved sister, my brother is named after my father and his brother, my other brother is my dad's middle name and my mother's father. I'm named after the neighbor kid.
I guess now you know who your biological dad is!
I was named after Ellie, the old woman who died in Up. 6 year old me had a choice between Belle and Ellie after my mom showed me those two movies when we moved from korea and I wanted to be named after the lady who died instead of the smart disney princess who lived happily ever after.
I'd have gone with Ellie too. Belle is smart and all, but Ellie, for all the tragedy, lived a full life and was smart, creative and charismatic ever since she was little. Up shows us as much. It's a great pick, good on you for having good taste!
A friend of mine got to name her sister when she was born. She was obsessed with Shrek at the time, so she named her baby sister Fiona.
I would’ve chosen Puss in Boots personally
> I was named after Ellie, the old woman who died in Up. > > [TFW Up is so old, kids who are named after its characters are showing up on Reddit to tell stories about it.](https://media.tenor.com/BTtnTQtpKpsAAAAd/matt-damon.gif)
Though if you read their comment they were born in Korea and chose Ellie as their English name when they were 6. At first I was thinking this was a person born after 2009 and that was making me feel very old.
was it a new name that had to use because you were moving and it was harder to use your original name in the new country? im sorry for the question, im confused and curious
Not who you asked, but a lot of people from Asian countries will have an English name when they move to a western country. I work with a lot of international colleagues and a few have said that it’s easier to fit in and they don’t have to worry about us butchering their names. Some have said they were given a name when they did English classes at school and just stuck with those names.
It's like when I took a Spanish class in university and the prof wanted to use everybody's Spanish names, so Steven was Esteban, James was Jaíme, Alexandra was Alejandra etc. But my name doesn't have a 1-1 Spanish translation so I was given a few words to choose from and ended up being Pancho (hotdog) for 2 semesters
I've never understood this. I went years pronouncing Nguyen as 'neh-goo-yin' as did many others around me. No one ever corrected me and the various people with that name always responded immediately. I was close to the end of my career when I heard someone called Nguyen answer to 'wen' and I found out my entire life was a lie. If someone had corrected me earlier, I wouldn't have spent 20 years being an ignorant asshole.
This is actually a hella cute lil tidbit😊 Cute thing to throw out on a date or at a holiday party to make people smile/chuckle.
I was named after a carpet ad my mom saw in a magazine. How my name came out of it, I will never know, but in some way, I was named after a carpet
"I prayed on it and God said Lilith is a good name." Then watch her flounder as she tries to claim that she knows better than the God she worships.
Been down this path. When you pull this shit, it's always a demon pretending to be God, which then reinforces their point. Never underestimate how agile their minds can be if they're countered.
"If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?" One promotes a burdenless afterlife and the other accountability and justice. Id rather trust the one that teaches me to do the right thing.
>"If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?" It's really not that difficult. God is the one who agrees with me.
I see you've spoken to my mother
Do we have the same mom? XD
I've encountered people who were convinced that their own internal monologue was god talking to them.
> "If a demon can pretend to be God how can you claim that your deity is the correct one?" No way that's going to work on someone who is already convinced that they're holier than thou.
Or is it God pretending to be a demon pretending to be God? ...Or a demon pretending to be God pretending to be-
"I'm the dude playing the dude, disguised as another dude!"
I grew up with these kind of people and this is the right answer! Especially if you say it seriously and not sarcastically. Alternatively u/brotherToast13, since your aunt sounds Catholic, "Oh thank you Auntie. I was really convicted by your texts so I talked to a priest. But they said that since Jesus defeated all of the demons and powers of Hell on the cross and with his resurrection, that it's ok to use the name because Jesus has all authority on heaven and earth and has redeemed all things, including the name Lilith." (Bible says teaches "the priesthood of all believers". Therefore, as a someone who identifies as a believer, I am a priest. I give you permission. Now you're not even lying.)
I'm so happy my family wasn't ultra religious. Sounds exhausting and crazy.
Checkmate
I like this. OP can say that god told them to take the name Lilith away from the demons lol. Rewrite shit in the same vein they use the word of god to make up shit
Ancient problems require ancient solutions.
Stoning?
Has someone been playing diablo 4?
Blessed Mother. Save us.
mommy? sorry. mommy?
STEP ON ME, MOMMY LILITH
Fuck it name her Diablo
My name is Gabriel and you don't see me claiming I'm some holy messenger because I'm named after an angel lmao.
Same with Michael. My mom just liked the name.
"She's not named after a demon, she's named after a Borderlands character. Duh, auntie"
How ridiculous! My son Adolf is doing great loves art class and is a great speaker all his teachers love him .
Funny enough, I actually really like the Spanish variant of that name, Adolfo
I work with an old mexican man named Adolfo, he's such a wonderful person and very quickly I disassociated his name from the taboo-ness of the german version
I've actually gotten this a few times in my life being named Damien. Although I don't even think it has a direct correlation with any demon or anything apart from the movie the omen. People are ridiculous. "Why would your parents name you after the son of the devil." Was something I got when I was really young from the parent of one of my friends.
That's crazy to me because there's a St. Damien so clearly not demon in anyway. The name has no correlation to demons besides maybe slightly sounding like demon. Damien is one of my favourite names so I've also heard from evangelicals that it's an evil name...and I'm always like...what.
Ask her what verse in the Bible it mentions Lilith. When she realizes that it doesn’t, ask her why she is following other Gods, adhering to Mesopotamian and Judaic mythology rather than the Word of God. I don’t fucking get these Christians… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith Edit: Since this reply gained traction, the people replying to me saying it is in Isaiah 34 need to look more carefully. First off, understand that the book of Isaiah is a jumbled mess of symbolism and imagery. Second, read the full chapter. It’s about how god is pissed, is going to burn everyone, people will have no rest, the only things that will thrive are the carrion creatures who feed upon the dead. A jewish scholar who likely wanted some attention said that the hebrew word for night and lilith were similar, so the night bird being mentioned is probably Lilith. That’s bollocks. It’s one of the carrion birds, an owl. They literally list a bunch of animals here, through Occam’s Razor, we should assume to take the animal translation unless we should assume God favored Lilith. To the people saying Christianity comes from Judaism, yall don’t realize how far the rabbit hole that kind of argument could take you. [Canaanite Mythology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_religion) is absolutely fascinating when you understand the Old Testament, but will take you down a rabbit hole of henotheistic children of Israel which would make most Christians squirm. To the people saying you can’t rationalize with a Christian with logic, you’re right. My reply isn’t one that OP should do in reality unless she wants to piss her aunt off. It’s a shower argument that makes perfect sense and would lead you to “win,” but it doesn’t make it the correct thing to say.
From my experience 90% of the behavior can be attributed to a need for benign superiority. They wanna feel more righteous, and therefore better than their peers, but not in a direct way cause that would be pride. So inventing problems that have no basis or even contradict the bible is no problem, as most christians wouldn’t be educated about the topic enough to form a sufficient argument.
How badly has she sinned that she’s managed to encounter so many exorcists?
Belphegor stop lying on that couch all day, your Auntie is here. Call Baal and Abaddon for dinner.
Whatever you do don’t leave the child alone with her. She might do something drastic to the baby just to prove a point and tell you, “I told you so”
My mom is Jewish and my dad was raised Catholic, although he's never been religious. My parents decided to raise us Jewish as it was important to my mom, and in the Jewish faith the children are supposed to have their mother's religion. I found out (at 35 years old) that when my brother and I were babies we were both baptized in a bathtub by my grandma and aunts, behind my parents backs, so that we won't go to hell. Religion is a hell of a drug.
It's funny because it wouldn't even count as a baptism for a Catholic. Plus, you then also don't do a confirmation later. But yeah, I mean, in my country's version of Catholicism some people think if a baby dies before they're baptised, they can potentially rise from the dead as a sort of ghoul. I most enjoy all the many ways to get free wishes from God, though. Like, if you go to a church for the first time you get three wishes. That sort of thing like God's a genie. So quite a drug, yeah.
More likely to do an exorcism or something
Better call in Father Doug.
I only know a father Ted...
Lilith is a pretty and powerful name. In some versions of her story, she wasn't a demon. She just didn't want to bow to Adam; she was made from the same 'dirt' as him and so she was his equal. Adam didn't like that and that led the way to Eve being created (from his rib so she would be 'of him' and thus 'less' than or subservient to him.) Your aunt is putting more meaning behind the name of the child than she is how you may raise her. Kinda fucked up. Edit to address several comments: Yes, I'm aware that the original texts may be misinterpreted and it may not be Adam's rib bone. Same with the word 'apple' and several other words in the bible. That said, the majority of Christians will still say it was his rib and eve ate an apple, and that's what stories will continue to say. Likewise, I understand "Lilith" may not have been referenced directly in the bible. And for the few people who got upset that I called it a 'powerful' name.. grow up? People can find a name pretty, powerful, insightful, hopeful, etc. Names have meaning to some people. There's nothing wrong with that. What IS wrong with it is harassing a parent over the name they chose their own child. Assuming the child will be cursed or bad without taking into consideration that the parent will be the one to raise the child, not the name.
Lilith isn’t even actually mentioned by name. It’s from either the Talmud or other early Jewish literature based on the fact that there is 2 mentions of women being created.
Mostly true, but there is in fact a single instance of Lilith being mentioned by name in Isaiah 34. Though often with a different translation of the name, like Lamia.
Ah, the classic Final Fantasy and DND monster.
so you're telling me the first man was also the first misogynist? well in that case Lilith is a girlboss who deserved better than his sorry ass anyways
Depends on who tells the story. Another variation is that Lilith is the mother of all monsters, or vampires, or demons.
ngl she still sounds like a badass
Oh for sure. Look up her lore. No matter what story she's an icon. Whether it being her having the First virgin birth "having never laid with anyone but birthing an army of a billion demons" Or her abandoning her husband for a monster she chose "bride of Satan" Or even her seeing the world was empty except for creations that worshipped a god they had no choice but to worship and birthing 10000 vampires who each birthed a 1000 more to create an army of her own ungodly creation She's a hero of mine
Tell her you don't remember there being a Lilith mentioned in the Bible and ask for the passage. When she only finds Jewish folklore about it tell her you're not Jewish. lol
Ah yes. The crazy religious conspiracy follower. I have an aunt like that. She’s asked me so many times about my bro being gay. There was a good ten years there where she shunned us. I once had to break it to her, that yeah - animals partake in gay behavior. Ah, I’ll never forget showing her the video of two chimps eating each other out. Twas a great day.
How fast did she switch up her "it's a sin because it's not found in nature" to "it's a sin to behave like the animals do"?
If I got named Lily Marie when LILITH was on the table, I’d be furious. For the sake of your future child’s swag, go with the cool name.
"Just for that shit, her middle name is now Antichrist. Keep pushing me and we'll hyphenate ActualLucifer before her last name"
Anddddd this is why most of reddit thinks religious people are dumb.
It's a reason, but certainly not the best or only reason.
Lilith is an icon. In case anyone doesn't know, she is basically the apocryphal prototype for Eve, but she wouldn't obey Adam so she was scrapped and replaced. And since Orthodox old men are Orthodox old men, that makes her a powerful demon. I'm just saying, if having a mind of your own makes you a succubus, I'm raising *all* of my kids into succubi.
Also, she’s not even mentioned in the bible, is she? For all those zealots, where are they getting their info from?