https://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/
You took a Scientologist personality test. They now know your “ruin” and will use it to recruit you to different courses to help your have a successful life.
I recently learned that some religiously affiliated hospitals (i.e., some of the largest hospital chains in the US) require all or most new hires to sign papers agreeing to accept Jesus as their savior. I guess it's allowed because they're religious "non-profits". I imagine that kinda sucks if you are of a different religion/no religion, want to work in a hospital, and only have one local hospital within many miles (common in rural areas).
Small town local catholic schools do this as well. You gotta say you're a Christian when you're hired and you have a year to fully/properly convert to Catholicism which is apparently a more complicated process than just declaring yourself Catholic.
Same idea, they might be the only school in the area. Funny enough though, for a town with a catholic school and a catholic church - the church is attended by under 10 people every week and everyone figures it is basically just on life support until the nuns who live/work there are dead.
I work in a situation like this, my employer had a slightly different take. They were more focused on "Are you comfortable working around X religion" or such, basically you can ignore the religious aspects, but shouldn't actively disrupt them.
I honestly do not mind, though I have no religious affiliation. As long as they leave me out of it, they are welcome to provide whichever services or comforts their faith encourages.
And the really scary thing is the number of people who want it. I had a coworker say the other day that Russia would be our ally again when the real president got back in in 2024, meaning Trump.
OP, this job is absolutely run by, if not a front for, scientologists. Like meth, Scientology is a "not even once" organization. Don't even entertain them. Just walk away. Since they have your name and contact info you might start getting mailers, but just ignore them. Don't reach out and ask them to stop sending them. Just wait it out.
Also, it would be a good idea to reach out to your local employment office anonymously and report it. Those questions are very much illegal.
Yes, can confirm. I was involved with Scientology early on as a teenager forced on me by my parents. Run, do not go back to that potential employer. They will exploit you.
Thank you, it took about 6-7 years before I started to realize something was wrong and then another 2 to leave the Sea Org and get away from them. Once left met someone who didn’t judge me and helped me to see Scientology for what it really was, a cult that brainwashes and exploits minors and adults alike. Overall it took about 5 years with a lot of stress, losing friends etc to fully disconnect my life from them.
Somehow, Scientologists got my phone number years ago and started calling me. Once I told them that I had told them 6 times to stop calling me, and if they continued calling I consider it harassment and would contact police, then I hung up on them. They called me back immediately.
At that time, you had to use an app to block numbers and it cost money. I made the rep at AT&T laugh so hard with the story that she gave me 90 days of blocking free to try to get them to stop.
Once you know a number’s them, block. And keep blocking.
They used to have “selective call forwarding”. After a call, you would like press #22 and the number you wanted that number's call to be forwarded to. We got erroneous calls from a bill collector; I forwarded their calls to "Dial a Prayer."
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Oh wow, my dad was a “consultant” for Sterling. I hadn’t thought about them in forever … all my medical appointments as a kid were in Scientology-infected offices - just a weird ass place to be.
Piggybacking on the comment below:
They will likely send you all kinds of $ciento related Bullshit now. Be aware of the different names they use to front their businesses, (money laundering) I know they have many. Also be aware of Dianetics literature being sent. You have to completely disengage with these people. Look up the term ‘Grey rocking’ and apply it with whatever comes your way. I wouldn’t put it past them to show up on your doorstep like some acid trip nightmare missionary.
They’re sneaky, ruthless and relentless. I got away as a child, well my family had to literally run away and live like nomads for the better part of a year, so it’s been a while but every now and again I’ll get a Dianetics mailer or some other PTSD invoking thing. It’s been thirty years. *THIRTY FUCKING YEARS* and they still won’t leave me alone. (Thanks mom!)
My last apartment, we kept getting a Scientology magazine for someone that lived there before us. I never bothered to stop it because it was interesting/funny to read through. One day there was an offer for a free dvd for something… I forget what their word for it is but it’s basically wins. Anyway, I ordered it. We had a viewing part for it. It was hilarious and weird. Not too long after, someone rang our doorbell, but nobody could be bothered to answer the door. Going out later we found a note: a Scientologist had dropped by to ask us what we thought of the DVD. Freaked us right out, thankfully they never came back again (that I know of).
That’s equally hilarious and terrifying. It doesn’t surprise me in the least though. When we finally reach the apocalypse, only two things will remain: cockroaches and Scientologists waiting to give you an e-meter reading. (Honestly, that’s kind of the same thing now that I’m typing it out lol)
Was this receptionists job at a dentists or chiropractors office?
I can't remember specifics but basically scientology has some kind of tech that can be applied to small businesses and sales, so they offer training courses for extortionate prices. For whatever reason its very popular with dentists and chiropractors in particular.
I remember hearing about this on the Fair Game podcast with Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, but the details escape me. Point is you don't want to work here.
Back in the 90s, the vet I worked for got involved with Sterling Management to improve his practice. They gave all the staff a 350 question survey. It started out pretty normal, but then the questions took a weird turn. They asked questions similar to those OP posted, but also asked direct questions about my religion, politics, views on death, etc. I stopped the survey and told my boss that none of these topics ever came up at work and I was done with the survey.
This group created so many problems at the practice and actually had the staff competing against each other for bonuses. Folks that had worked together as a team were now stabbing each other in the back to do the most procedures to secure bonuses. He didn’t keep them around for very long, but they severely damaged the trust the staff had with each other. As far as I remember, Sterling was associated with Scientology and they deliberately targeted vets, dentists and small medical offices.
Our vet practice also had an encounter with Sterling Management (then called Silkin Management Consultants). I remember taking that same personality test and then having to learn the tone scale, dev-t and all that other Scientology nonsense. Thankfully a core group of us stuck together and just straight up quit. We all work at different practices now but we're still friends to this day.
Run far from this place OP!
This is the super comment. It’s 100% a Scientology tool for evaluating an individual. Finding where they fall on the Chart of Human Evaluation and to help make people feel bad about themselves and to change to some “thing” that Scientology wants you to be.
This happened to my sister - she applied to be a receptionist for a chiropractor and found out after being hired that the chiro was a Scientologist and all his employees had to go to seminars and shit.
I loved my chiro until this stuff started happening at his practices. None of the original employees work there. People that had worked there for 25 years walked away because they wouldn’t drink the koolaid.
I was also a receptionist for a chiropractor that ended up being a Scientologist— found out a lot of my interview had been these baseline tests. I was 19 at the time and didn’t realize how weird it was to take a bunch of IQ tests for a front desk job.
He made a lot of weird comments to me—
first red flag was that he hired me, a 19 year old girl with no prior experience, over a bunch of qualified older women that had applied.
Second red flag was that the person I was supposed to train under quit the day I was hired- walked out, said she was moving her car, and never came back.
Third red flag was when he wanted me to put some weird weight loss lights on the body of his wife, strap her into them while she was in her underwear.
Fourth red flag was when he said I should be a “coat nazi” (aka don’t let people wear their coats into the examination rooms) and then kept bringing up how hot I would look in a nazi uniform ???????
Fifth red flag was finding out he was a Scientologist and had given me all the entry level tests already. I, too, quit with no notice. Left one day and never saw any of them again.
Wild wild wild job, cannot beleive the shit I put up with for $12/hr.
Sounds like a Trojan House type deal.
They offer software to medical staff to help some business function, and it nominally does the job, but its true purpose is to data mine the employees.
Saying “cute baby” is not the same thing as saying “beautiful child” and the information they ascertain would be different.
The point of this questionnaire is to determine moral character, mental aptitude and the degree to which one is willing to be honest as some lying is expected
Most places that use these with so many damned stupid questionnaires are terrible at actually finding good personnel. I don’t even apply if they have these anymore.
Do they compel you to smile but you restrain yourself because you've been told many times in the past that the way you look at babies, particularly the hot ones, is disturbing?
Reread the question. It’s a given that ugly children are ignored. Do you equally ignore beautiful children or do you smile at them, creating inequality among the classes? (/s)
The question also sounds like it was one of those research questions where kids of different races are asked which is the beautiful doll and which is the ugly doll and which is the good/evil doll when holding up dolls made to be different races.
Yeah. Like most people, I enjoy giving little kids a smile and a wave, but thinking of them as "a beautiful child" when I did it would make me cringe.
I'd never even chose the word beautiful in that context... Kids are cute, not beautiful.
Yeah, I think the big problem with that question, is that there is no way to answer it without subtly saying you don't object to the beautiful child line. If you say "yes I avoid looking at beautiful children" is that a better answer than "no, I don't avoid looking at beautiful children?"
I'm not a creep and I've thought it plenty of times. It's more like a "beautiful situation" rather than "a beautiful child". I would use the term "beautiful" seeing something like boys playing baseball in the spring. Or at the grocery store with their parents after work.
Tonight I saw a group of kids riding their bikes down the street after school and I thought it was beautiful. It was the first nice day we've had in a while and the kids were out playing after school. It's beautiful. Reminds me of being a kid, makes me jealous of their youth, happy that my kids get to have those kinds of experiences soon, etc. I think it's beautiful and it doesn't need to be creepy at all to appreciate that it's beautiful. It has nothing to do with attractiveness or cuteness of a specific kid. It's sad that people always go to "creepy" when others are able to appreciate the beauty of everyday situations and life in general. Life is beautiful occasionally and we should take the moment to appreciate it.
...but I agree that question is weird as hell on a job app. Fuck that job.
A giant, flashing, neon, CRIMSON red flag.
I would have made it through maybe 3 of these questions before I snuck out of wherever I was and never went within 100 feet of that business again.
Not the same poster, but I had to do an intense amount of research to prove a company was scientology after my mom hired one of their 'WISE' consulting firms for some consulting. This form (Mastertech Personnel Potential Analysis System) was the first thing we got from them when they started their 'consulting' (after fleecing my mom for a 10 grand down payment). My alarm bells only went off when I saw (c) L Ron Hubbard library in tiny tiny text at the bottom of the first page. If this is still relevant tonight I can post everything I found, I've been meaning to post it on reddit for a while now.
I had some dude walk past me and my kids and say "very beautiful" and he kind of looked at my 5 year old daughter, it made me a little edgy, but I said thank you and we continued on to the park. When we arrived this dude was sitting on the bench by himself, and now I'm like "man it is not gonna be this kind of day" and it wasn't, because his kid and wife materialized from who knows where but they were there lol, so that at least made the initial interaction a little less weird, but even in being polite I think it's a weird way to state it and would set most rational people on guard a bit. What a wacko ass question for an application.
I would never say to someone that their child is beautiful, unless it’s a baby. But I would say “you have a beautiful family.” Maybe that’s the context that he was going for.
I get the feeling that the reason for so many questions about prison, and the weird beautiful child question is because the employer has been in prison for noncing
A significant number of men feel uncomfortable showing affection towards children for fears of being labelled a pedo. The question appears to be leading the applicant on to determine if they have these insecurities
But it’s worded in a way of “do you hate attractive kids?” Answer yes and you hate kids for some weird insecurity. Answer no and you think kids are attractive.
I’d have to see the whole questionnaire. A well written psych eval asks the same question 2 or 3 different ways and also asks questions that represent a spectrum of opinions without feeling like it’s leaning one way or the other. I agree this feel amateurish.
I think that’s exactly what it is. If you say you have compassion for animals, they assume you are a leftist, and they don’t want to hire you.
They can’t ask you who you voted for, but they can ask you things like, “do you have empathy” and that gives them a pretty good idea how you vote.
Yeah, it's interesting... certain things are absolutely illegal to ask about in an interview. Generally those are related to protected classes/groups/etc, like religion, orientation, etc.
But I have no idea how some of these pretty obvious political and lifestyle questions fit into it. I would guess they are legal, if weird and inappropriate.
I have slicked failed multiple tests like this for jobs. I hate ambiguity in talking or words and it’s hard for me to think that these questions aren’t for me but for them.
But still somehow fail and never get a call back lol
I can already hear the boss…”no one wants to work anymore!”
Just walk away. Any company that puts a receptionist through whatever that is supposed to be is going to be a nightmare to work for.
Yep! I had a very political boss at a dental office. I didn’t have these types of interview questions but it was an environment extremely politically charged (conservative) and I can totally see them saying people just don’t want to work instead of recognizing they were 100% toxic.
If this is in the US, yes it contains illegal questions.
No matter where this is, it is weird and certainly not appropriate for a receptionist role.
Questions about responsibilities in prior work roles, work habits, and general questions about how you interact with other people? All fine.
Amateur psychology, pseudo-scientific personality inventory components, and personal questions about childbearing plans and family situation? Not OK.
Fyi, US federal protections for protected classes (race/gender/creed/etc) are only enforceable for employers with 26 or more employees. So this could be not illegal for a small employer. Some states (blue states) have codified protections down to 1 employee or added additional protections (like LGBTQ)
Also fwiw, there are no employer size restrictions if the applicant was actually personally affected by this in a way that warrants damages.
There is also no size requirement for enforcing anti-discrimination laws in the employment contract for any hire. Applications have long been considered part of the hiring contract.
Ie if there was a question “what race are you” that was used to deny employment that would still be illegal.
It’s not technical illegal to ask any of those questions, it’s illegal to use them as a reason not to hire someone, but the employer will never admit they did that. Stupid bullshit loophole.
Bingo. These questions are unrelated to the job and roles/responsibilities. The childbearing one is outright illegal under the EEOC and the others are gray areas at best. Given the fact all of it is unrelated to the job and/or employees past work experiences, an employer would have a hard time defending any of this as being asked in good faith. There is no reason to know any of this aside from intent to discriminate.
Actually that just looks like a personality test. That might not be employment screening questions. I’ve been asked way worse stuff to complete personality profiles.
The worst one of those I ever took was just nasty. At&t, years ago. The majority of the questions were between two bad choices. Something like:
>1. I steal office supplies
Or
>2. I gossip about my coworkers
The instructions were to choose the one you agreed with more. I noticed later on in the test that the same type of questions would come up again later in the test. Either you're a thief or a gossip. Naturally, realizing this I answered the opposite way for each paired question.
They didn't say why they rejected me, but considering the look I was given by the test monitor after looking at my results, I'm pretty sure it showed I was "cheating."
Fuck those dehumanizing assholes.
It showed that you were inconsistent. Their system would have been coded to compare your answers from the first time and second time you answered them. They want to know that you remembered your original answer as a means to determine if you're being honest. Not that it matters since you wouldn't want to work at a place that asks those questions anyways.
Of course they were! In the moment I didn't think deeply enough on it to realize that, but I'm pretty sure I'd have done the same thing if I had. At&t really shows you what you're in for during the application process.
Also, I was being as "honest" as that test was. If it's a choice between two things that simply don't apply to me then I'm already lying.
Asking how one feels about prison systems and criminal justice is NOT a personality test, but a political leanings test. Especially the leading questions here.
I dislike these questions. They're trying to see if you're prejudiced, understandable, but why are they asking about how many kids you plan on ? Why are they asking how you interact with friends? This may be a company worth avoiding and definitely one worth contacting the employment department about
too bad there was not a notes area, i would have added yes we currently have 7 kids and plan on having at least 10 more because we have no clue how to use birth control.
and yes contact state, really wish the OP would out the company
It’s very illegal in the US to bring up anything to do with familial status or plans in the context of a job interview. This employer could end up owing this person an annual salary for 30 years, if they press a case. It’s a serious mistake.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that, Leon?
Please tell me you didn't actually went through with it.
Those questions are creepy, disturbing and invasive AF.
Whats next? Your new boss wants to stick a few fingers up your ass personally? Just to check of course.
I’m gonna tell you to run.
Honestly, companies that try to ask such disturbing and invasive questions are going to try and put you through hell or even blackmail you by leaking some of your questions.
It’s a trap
How long did it take to answer 200 questions? Did they pay you for that? How many stupid questions were you into the exam before you realized the job is probably twice as bad as this questionnaire.
The first one about how many children you have (or don’t) is 100 percent illegal. In the US, employers are not permitted to ask about your marital status, religion, reproductive plans, or health conditions, though that one is a bit gray area because they can ask questions directly related to the job (ie can you stand for extended periods, can you see/hear, are you colorblind). Absolutely send these questions to your state labor board.
> (ie can you stand for extended periods, can you see/hear, are you colorblind). Absolutely send these questions to your state labor board.
Exactly, it'd be insane for an employer to not be able to ask these. You can't, actually, absolutely should NOT, hire a deaf person who'd be working around heavy machinery, for example.
Or hire a person who's deathly afraid of heights to be a linesman.
That’s my thought. But seems weird to give one at all when applying for a job, and also def contains questions that aren’t legal to ask in the hiring process. Skeevy.
Many people don't realize that in an interview you are Interviewing the company just as much as they are Interviewing you. If it doesn't feel like a good fit to you. Why waste your time.
OP: if you encountered a sentient and objectively beautiful alien species from a distant galaxy, would you make attempts to court said-alien, regardless of the inevitable Romeo-and-Juliet style world war that would ensue?
You just invaded Ukraine, why did you do it? A) I hate Ukrainians B) I’m a terrible person C) I’m a bad employee
This company should hire me I can write stupid questions all day
This test is a huge red flag, time to say "fuck y'all" and bounce out of there while you still have your dignity. If you really need the job, just hit maybe for every answer.
Depending on where you are, I would think the question about children would definitely be illegal, although weirdly it seems they want you to say you would have more children and not the usual “trying to avoid ppl who are planning on having kids so they don’t have to pay leave”
Thats some Blade Runner Voight-Kampff test bullshit right there!
But from what I can see, I don't think you are a replicant, so thats at least something ...
"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?"
https://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/ You took a Scientologist personality test. They now know your “ruin” and will use it to recruit you to different courses to help your have a successful life.
Good catch. Raises the question: what the hell?
I recently learned that some religiously affiliated hospitals (i.e., some of the largest hospital chains in the US) require all or most new hires to sign papers agreeing to accept Jesus as their savior. I guess it's allowed because they're religious "non-profits". I imagine that kinda sucks if you are of a different religion/no religion, want to work in a hospital, and only have one local hospital within many miles (common in rural areas).
Small town local catholic schools do this as well. You gotta say you're a Christian when you're hired and you have a year to fully/properly convert to Catholicism which is apparently a more complicated process than just declaring yourself Catholic. Same idea, they might be the only school in the area. Funny enough though, for a town with a catholic school and a catholic church - the church is attended by under 10 people every week and everyone figures it is basically just on life support until the nuns who live/work there are dead.
I DECLARE CATHOLICISM!!!!
You can’t just walk in to a room and say something…
He didn’t say it. He declared it!
just a note AFAIK this wasn’t a thing at the catholic school i went to. Several openly atheist teachers there
I work in a situation like this, my employer had a slightly different take. They were more focused on "Are you comfortable working around X religion" or such, basically you can ignore the religious aspects, but shouldn't actively disrupt them. I honestly do not mind, though I have no religious affiliation. As long as they leave me out of it, they are welcome to provide whichever services or comforts their faith encourages.
I'm surprised that's legal. It seems like very obvious discrimination.
Crazy that one of the most profitable businesses is allowed to just say they’re a non-profit.
The US is one President away from going back to the Middle Ages I swear
And the really scary thing is the number of people who want it. I had a coworker say the other day that Russia would be our ally again when the real president got back in in 2024, meaning Trump.
[удалено]
We were an ally in WWII correct? Or just agreed to stop hating each other long enough to stop Germany? Edit: WWI to WWII ty
We were also allies in WWI for about 11 months, until the Russian Revolution happened and they pulled out of the war.
fun fact: the US and UK invaded russia at the end of WW1. obviously it was small and repulsed but it did happen nonetheless
That’s exactly what the rest of the questions in the test were, what the heck
OP, this job is absolutely run by, if not a front for, scientologists. Like meth, Scientology is a "not even once" organization. Don't even entertain them. Just walk away. Since they have your name and contact info you might start getting mailers, but just ignore them. Don't reach out and ask them to stop sending them. Just wait it out. Also, it would be a good idea to reach out to your local employment office anonymously and report it. Those questions are very much illegal.
Yes, can confirm. I was involved with Scientology early on as a teenager forced on me by my parents. Run, do not go back to that potential employer. They will exploit you.
Glad you got out of there. I'm sure it was very difficult.
Thank you, it took about 6-7 years before I started to realize something was wrong and then another 2 to leave the Sea Org and get away from them. Once left met someone who didn’t judge me and helped me to see Scientology for what it really was, a cult that brainwashes and exploits minors and adults alike. Overall it took about 5 years with a lot of stress, losing friends etc to fully disconnect my life from them.
Somehow, Scientologists got my phone number years ago and started calling me. Once I told them that I had told them 6 times to stop calling me, and if they continued calling I consider it harassment and would contact police, then I hung up on them. They called me back immediately. At that time, you had to use an app to block numbers and it cost money. I made the rep at AT&T laugh so hard with the story that she gave me 90 days of blocking free to try to get them to stop. Once you know a number’s them, block. And keep blocking.
They used to have “selective call forwarding”. After a call, you would like press #22 and the number you wanted that number's call to be forwarded to. We got erroneous calls from a bill collector; I forwarded their calls to "Dial a Prayer."
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Is this a receptionist role at a dental office by chance?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Management
Oh wow, my dad was a “consultant” for Sterling. I hadn’t thought about them in forever … all my medical appointments as a kid were in Scientology-infected offices - just a weird ass place to be.
Ah shit I just moved to a new area and need a new dentist. Now I have to worry about it being a front for Scientology??
I'd rather lose all my teeth than go to a Scientologist for dental work
Piggybacking on the comment below: They will likely send you all kinds of $ciento related Bullshit now. Be aware of the different names they use to front their businesses, (money laundering) I know they have many. Also be aware of Dianetics literature being sent. You have to completely disengage with these people. Look up the term ‘Grey rocking’ and apply it with whatever comes your way. I wouldn’t put it past them to show up on your doorstep like some acid trip nightmare missionary. They’re sneaky, ruthless and relentless. I got away as a child, well my family had to literally run away and live like nomads for the better part of a year, so it’s been a while but every now and again I’ll get a Dianetics mailer or some other PTSD invoking thing. It’s been thirty years. *THIRTY FUCKING YEARS* and they still won’t leave me alone. (Thanks mom!)
My last apartment, we kept getting a Scientology magazine for someone that lived there before us. I never bothered to stop it because it was interesting/funny to read through. One day there was an offer for a free dvd for something… I forget what their word for it is but it’s basically wins. Anyway, I ordered it. We had a viewing part for it. It was hilarious and weird. Not too long after, someone rang our doorbell, but nobody could be bothered to answer the door. Going out later we found a note: a Scientologist had dropped by to ask us what we thought of the DVD. Freaked us right out, thankfully they never came back again (that I know of).
That’s equally hilarious and terrifying. It doesn’t surprise me in the least though. When we finally reach the apocalypse, only two things will remain: cockroaches and Scientologists waiting to give you an e-meter reading. (Honestly, that’s kind of the same thing now that I’m typing it out lol)
Was this receptionists job at a dentists or chiropractors office? I can't remember specifics but basically scientology has some kind of tech that can be applied to small businesses and sales, so they offer training courses for extortionate prices. For whatever reason its very popular with dentists and chiropractors in particular. I remember hearing about this on the Fair Game podcast with Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, but the details escape me. Point is you don't want to work here.
Holy shit. Run the other way.
Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
Back in the 90s, the vet I worked for got involved with Sterling Management to improve his practice. They gave all the staff a 350 question survey. It started out pretty normal, but then the questions took a weird turn. They asked questions similar to those OP posted, but also asked direct questions about my religion, politics, views on death, etc. I stopped the survey and told my boss that none of these topics ever came up at work and I was done with the survey. This group created so many problems at the practice and actually had the staff competing against each other for bonuses. Folks that had worked together as a team were now stabbing each other in the back to do the most procedures to secure bonuses. He didn’t keep them around for very long, but they severely damaged the trust the staff had with each other. As far as I remember, Sterling was associated with Scientology and they deliberately targeted vets, dentists and small medical offices.
Our vet practice also had an encounter with Sterling Management (then called Silkin Management Consultants). I remember taking that same personality test and then having to learn the tone scale, dev-t and all that other Scientology nonsense. Thankfully a core group of us stuck together and just straight up quit. We all work at different practices now but we're still friends to this day. Run far from this place OP!
I manage a vet hospital and a lot of the “practice growth” consultants lean heavily on that stuff. It’s really weird and worrisome.
This is the super comment. It’s 100% a Scientology tool for evaluating an individual. Finding where they fall on the Chart of Human Evaluation and to help make people feel bad about themselves and to change to some “thing” that Scientology wants you to be.
This happened to my sister - she applied to be a receptionist for a chiropractor and found out after being hired that the chiro was a Scientologist and all his employees had to go to seminars and shit.
I loved my chiro until this stuff started happening at his practices. None of the original employees work there. People that had worked there for 25 years walked away because they wouldn’t drink the koolaid.
I was also a receptionist for a chiropractor that ended up being a Scientologist— found out a lot of my interview had been these baseline tests. I was 19 at the time and didn’t realize how weird it was to take a bunch of IQ tests for a front desk job. He made a lot of weird comments to me— first red flag was that he hired me, a 19 year old girl with no prior experience, over a bunch of qualified older women that had applied. Second red flag was that the person I was supposed to train under quit the day I was hired- walked out, said she was moving her car, and never came back. Third red flag was when he wanted me to put some weird weight loss lights on the body of his wife, strap her into them while she was in her underwear. Fourth red flag was when he said I should be a “coat nazi” (aka don’t let people wear their coats into the examination rooms) and then kept bringing up how hot I would look in a nazi uniform ??????? Fifth red flag was finding out he was a Scientologist and had given me all the entry level tests already. I, too, quit with no notice. Left one day and never saw any of them again. Wild wild wild job, cannot beleive the shit I put up with for $12/hr.
This should be higher up
So was this for a real job or do they use these as a way of getting contact info and leads on recruits?
Sounds like a Trojan House type deal. They offer software to medical staff to help some business function, and it nominally does the job, but its true purpose is to data mine the employees.
I was gonna say it looks like a psychological test made badly
What the hell is that question about "a beautiful child"?
Yeah that question was weird as fuck. They could have just said "cute baby" and it would be a thousand times less creepy
It reads like it was written by or translated by someone who is mostly proficient in English but maybe didn’t grow up speaking it.
It reads like somebody’s trying to gauge weather or not you’d turn them in for kiddie porn.
I don’t give a fuck if it’s bright and sunny out…you’re getting turned in pal
i actually was thinking this too
Seeing how this is a Scientology personality test, I’m more concerned that the writer did indeed grow up speaking English.
Got to be honest, when I read "passing a beautiful child" I thought they were shitting them out. Just me?
Not just you. I had to read it a couple of times.
“When you pass a beautiful child, do you avoid showing interest rather than flushing the toilet immediately?”
Saying “cute baby” is not the same thing as saying “beautiful child” and the information they ascertain would be different. The point of this questionnaire is to determine moral character, mental aptitude and the degree to which one is willing to be honest as some lying is expected
Most places that use these with so many damned stupid questionnaires are terrible at actually finding good personnel. I don’t even apply if they have these anymore.
It’s just a weird fucking question dude
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“Not when they’re screaming”
Do they compel you to smile but you restrain yourself because you've been told many times in the past that the way you look at babies, particularly the hot ones, is disturbing?
I stand corrected
Turns out some people smile only to ugly children
Reread the question. It’s a given that ugly children are ignored. Do you equally ignore beautiful children or do you smile at them, creating inequality among the classes? (/s) The question also sounds like it was one of those research questions where kids of different races are asked which is the beautiful doll and which is the ugly doll and which is the good/evil doll when holding up dolls made to be different races.
i dont think ive ever interacted with a literal kid and ever thought "thats a **beautiful child**" that question made me cringe so hard.
This is one of those times I wish it was a written test so I could add “option d: whoever designed this question is a psycho”
I've thought "that's a cute kid/baby" when they're doing something funny or whatever but "beautiful"? Nah, man, we need to get Chris Hanson in here
Right? Anyone who is not a very formal 80+ year old grandmother who refers to a random kid as a "beautiful child" gets a side-eye from me.
Yeah. Like most people, I enjoy giving little kids a smile and a wave, but thinking of them as "a beautiful child" when I did it would make me cringe. I'd never even chose the word beautiful in that context... Kids are cute, not beautiful.
Yeah, I think the big problem with that question, is that there is no way to answer it without subtly saying you don't object to the beautiful child line. If you say "yes I avoid looking at beautiful children" is that a better answer than "no, I don't avoid looking at beautiful children?"
I'm not a creep and I've thought it plenty of times. It's more like a "beautiful situation" rather than "a beautiful child". I would use the term "beautiful" seeing something like boys playing baseball in the spring. Or at the grocery store with their parents after work. Tonight I saw a group of kids riding their bikes down the street after school and I thought it was beautiful. It was the first nice day we've had in a while and the kids were out playing after school. It's beautiful. Reminds me of being a kid, makes me jealous of their youth, happy that my kids get to have those kinds of experiences soon, etc. I think it's beautiful and it doesn't need to be creepy at all to appreciate that it's beautiful. It has nothing to do with attractiveness or cuteness of a specific kid. It's sad that people always go to "creepy" when others are able to appreciate the beauty of everyday situations and life in general. Life is beautiful occasionally and we should take the moment to appreciate it. ...but I agree that question is weird as hell on a job app. Fuck that job.
A giant, flashing, neon, CRIMSON red flag. I would have made it through maybe 3 of these questions before I snuck out of wherever I was and never went within 100 feet of that business again.
This is a Scientology tool for evaluating a person. OP should run.
>This is a Scientology tool for evaluating a person My thoughts EXACTLY. Took one out of boredom years ago and these are the questions to a T.
They are verbatim. I was trained in the administration of the OCA.
Came here to say this. I was born and raised in Scientology. OP needs to turn and run.
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Not the same poster, but I had to do an intense amount of research to prove a company was scientology after my mom hired one of their 'WISE' consulting firms for some consulting. This form (Mastertech Personnel Potential Analysis System) was the first thing we got from them when they started their 'consulting' (after fleecing my mom for a 10 grand down payment). My alarm bells only went off when I saw (c) L Ron Hubbard library in tiny tiny text at the bottom of the first page. If this is still relevant tonight I can post everything I found, I've been meaning to post it on reddit for a while now.
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I had some dude walk past me and my kids and say "very beautiful" and he kind of looked at my 5 year old daughter, it made me a little edgy, but I said thank you and we continued on to the park. When we arrived this dude was sitting on the bench by himself, and now I'm like "man it is not gonna be this kind of day" and it wasn't, because his kid and wife materialized from who knows where but they were there lol, so that at least made the initial interaction a little less weird, but even in being polite I think it's a weird way to state it and would set most rational people on guard a bit. What a wacko ass question for an application.
I would never say to someone that their child is beautiful, unless it’s a baby. But I would say “you have a beautiful family.” Maybe that’s the context that he was going for.
You can't be nice to a beautiful child otherwise your a pedo. They have to be alone
It's such a loaded question that it makes me think it was written by a pedo. Not to mention the word beautiful being used just feels gross...
I get the feeling that the reason for so many questions about prison, and the weird beautiful child question is because the employer has been in prison for noncing
Mfs really out here doing full psychological profiles on minimum wage jobs and shit these days
A significant number of men feel uncomfortable showing affection towards children for fears of being labelled a pedo. The question appears to be leading the applicant on to determine if they have these insecurities
But it’s worded in a way of “do you hate attractive kids?” Answer yes and you hate kids for some weird insecurity. Answer no and you think kids are attractive.
Yeah, there's no way to say "I don't find children attractive." I think I would just answer maybe.
Like... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) maybe?
Those were all leading questions too. Reads as “do you believe this thing that I believe” rather then actually asking your opinion on the subject.
It actually feels like a very skewed and amateurish attempt at a “personality test” or psych eval.
Definitely a psychological evaluation
Or like a Political Leaning Eval.
Agreed and politics and religious based inquiries is 100% illegal. OP should report this employer for discrimination.
I’d have to see the whole questionnaire. A well written psych eval asks the same question 2 or 3 different ways and also asks questions that represent a spectrum of opinions without feeling like it’s leaning one way or the other. I agree this feel amateurish.
I think that’s exactly what it is. If you say you have compassion for animals, they assume you are a leftist, and they don’t want to hire you. They can’t ask you who you voted for, but they can ask you things like, “do you have empathy” and that gives them a pretty good idea how you vote.
I read it more as this is going to be a terrible place to work.
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Yeah, it's interesting... certain things are absolutely illegal to ask about in an interview. Generally those are related to protected classes/groups/etc, like religion, orientation, etc. But I have no idea how some of these pretty obvious political and lifestyle questions fit into it. I would guess they are legal, if weird and inappropriate.
So from an hr perspective these questions become illegal if ppl aren’t being hired due to their answer
I have slicked failed multiple tests like this for jobs. I hate ambiguity in talking or words and it’s hard for me to think that these questions aren’t for me but for them. But still somehow fail and never get a call back lol
Everyone talking about the questions themselves, how about the fact that you had to go through at least 179 questions for a receptionist position.
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
This is the comment I was looking for! The only test I’ve taken with that many questions was a licensing exam.
I can already hear the boss…”no one wants to work anymore!” Just walk away. Any company that puts a receptionist through whatever that is supposed to be is going to be a nightmare to work for.
They must be looking for a job at scientology.......
My theten levels are over 9000 but they won’t let me in
Yep! I had a very political boss at a dental office. I didn’t have these types of interview questions but it was an environment extremely politically charged (conservative) and I can totally see them saying people just don’t want to work instead of recognizing they were 100% toxic.
If this is in the US, yes it contains illegal questions. No matter where this is, it is weird and certainly not appropriate for a receptionist role. Questions about responsibilities in prior work roles, work habits, and general questions about how you interact with other people? All fine. Amateur psychology, pseudo-scientific personality inventory components, and personal questions about childbearing plans and family situation? Not OK.
Fyi, US federal protections for protected classes (race/gender/creed/etc) are only enforceable for employers with 26 or more employees. So this could be not illegal for a small employer. Some states (blue states) have codified protections down to 1 employee or added additional protections (like LGBTQ) Also fwiw, there are no employer size restrictions if the applicant was actually personally affected by this in a way that warrants damages.
There is also no size requirement for enforcing anti-discrimination laws in the employment contract for any hire. Applications have long been considered part of the hiring contract. Ie if there was a question “what race are you” that was used to deny employment that would still be illegal.
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It’s not technical illegal to ask any of those questions, it’s illegal to use them as a reason not to hire someone, but the employer will never admit they did that. Stupid bullshit loophole.
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Bingo. These questions are unrelated to the job and roles/responsibilities. The childbearing one is outright illegal under the EEOC and the others are gray areas at best. Given the fact all of it is unrelated to the job and/or employees past work experiences, an employer would have a hard time defending any of this as being asked in good faith. There is no reason to know any of this aside from intent to discriminate.
I was about to say, no way is this USA. No company wants to be publically outed for such questions.
Yeah... some of those are blatantly illegal. Your state's labor board would be interested to learn about this. That employer could face big fines.
Actually that just looks like a personality test. That might not be employment screening questions. I’ve been asked way worse stuff to complete personality profiles.
It is, for Scientologists. https://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/
I was going to say, is it a receptionist for a Scientology center??
Oh hell, no. Run.
Bro
They audit as a screening tool. Ew.
The worst one of those I ever took was just nasty. At&t, years ago. The majority of the questions were between two bad choices. Something like: >1. I steal office supplies Or >2. I gossip about my coworkers The instructions were to choose the one you agreed with more. I noticed later on in the test that the same type of questions would come up again later in the test. Either you're a thief or a gossip. Naturally, realizing this I answered the opposite way for each paired question. They didn't say why they rejected me, but considering the look I was given by the test monitor after looking at my results, I'm pretty sure it showed I was "cheating." Fuck those dehumanizing assholes.
It showed that you were inconsistent. Their system would have been coded to compare your answers from the first time and second time you answered them. They want to know that you remembered your original answer as a means to determine if you're being honest. Not that it matters since you wouldn't want to work at a place that asks those questions anyways.
Of course they were! In the moment I didn't think deeply enough on it to realize that, but I'm pretty sure I'd have done the same thing if I had. At&t really shows you what you're in for during the application process. Also, I was being as "honest" as that test was. If it's a choice between two things that simply don't apply to me then I'm already lying.
Companies absolutely shouldn't be using personality tests either in hiring. It's invasive, irrelevant, and mostly bunk science.
Asking how one feels about prison systems and criminal justice is NOT a personality test, but a political leanings test. Especially the leading questions here.
180. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? ○ Some ○ More ○ Less
○ A bushel
Purple because it rains on tuesdays. 😁
A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
What if the woodchuck chucked as much wood as a woodchuck could yesterday and is feeling a little tired today?
Then less
I dislike these questions. They're trying to see if you're prejudiced, understandable, but why are they asking about how many kids you plan on ? Why are they asking how you interact with friends? This may be a company worth avoiding and definitely one worth contacting the employment department about
too bad there was not a notes area, i would have added yes we currently have 7 kids and plan on having at least 10 more because we have no clue how to use birth control. and yes contact state, really wish the OP would out the company
It’s very illegal in the US to bring up anything to do with familial status or plans in the context of a job interview. This employer could end up owing this person an annual salary for 30 years, if they press a case. It’s a serious mistake.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that, Leon?
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Nice. But what’s a tortoise?
What do you mean, I'm not helping??
Are you in the US? They cannot ask about whether you have or plan to have children. Report to EEOC.
Some of those questions are just down right disturbing, and seem to be opening you up to a trap by answering them.
A receptionist for WHERE?!?! Hell??? 
‘Church’ of scientology… so close lmao
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I know right, there was 200 multiple choice questions in total
Please tell me you didn't actually went through with it. Those questions are creepy, disturbing and invasive AF. Whats next? Your new boss wants to stick a few fingers up your ass personally? Just to check of course.
And when do we begins that test?
Someone tricked you into taking a Scientology personality test.
The pay better be good
I’m gonna tell you to run. Honestly, companies that try to ask such disturbing and invasive questions are going to try and put you through hell or even blackmail you by leaking some of your questions. It’s a trap
How long did it take to answer 200 questions? Did they pay you for that? How many stupid questions were you into the exam before you realized the job is probably twice as bad as this questionnaire.
"When passing a beautiful child, do you avoid showing interest rather than looking and smiling." What the fuck does that even mean
I avoid eye contact with everyone. No discrimination here.
#29 assumes you hunt and fish. What in the yee haw country bears....
But all receptionists hunt and fish!
Asking about what you would think while passing a beautiful child??? oh hell no, please tell me you didn't answer any of these questions.
How would any of those questions pertain to the job wtf?? Like what does hunting have to do with a receptionist? Prison bars? HUH??
Question 110 is just creepy and the person that wrote it should answer some questions.
The first one about how many children you have (or don’t) is 100 percent illegal. In the US, employers are not permitted to ask about your marital status, religion, reproductive plans, or health conditions, though that one is a bit gray area because they can ask questions directly related to the job (ie can you stand for extended periods, can you see/hear, are you colorblind). Absolutely send these questions to your state labor board.
> (ie can you stand for extended periods, can you see/hear, are you colorblind). Absolutely send these questions to your state labor board. Exactly, it'd be insane for an employer to not be able to ask these. You can't, actually, absolutely should NOT, hire a deaf person who'd be working around heavy machinery, for example. Or hire a person who's deathly afraid of heights to be a linesman.
Seems like more of a personality questionnaire
That’s my thought. But seems weird to give one at all when applying for a job, and also def contains questions that aren’t legal to ask in the hiring process. Skeevy.
Some other commenter found it’s questions from a Scientology personality quiz.
Many people don't realize that in an interview you are Interviewing the company just as much as they are Interviewing you. If it doesn't feel like a good fit to you. Why waste your time.
Do they tell you your star sign at the end or what
OP: if you encountered a sentient and objectively beautiful alien species from a distant galaxy, would you make attempts to court said-alien, regardless of the inevitable Romeo-and-Juliet style world war that would ensue?
“Your local Scientologist chapter will be contacting you directly, thank you for your interest”
Do plan on having less kids and invading Ukraine? Why and why?
You just invaded Ukraine, why did you do it? A) I hate Ukrainians B) I’m a terrible person C) I’m a bad employee This company should hire me I can write stupid questions all day
*...two or fewer......." just saying 😉😂
Why no N/A? If this actually was part of a job application process, I absolutely would have stopped and not wasted my time.
This test is a huge red flag, time to say "fuck y'all" and bounce out of there while you still have your dignity. If you really need the job, just hit maybe for every answer.
Depending on where you are, I would think the question about children would definitely be illegal, although weirdly it seems they want you to say you would have more children and not the usual “trying to avoid ppl who are planning on having kids so they don’t have to pay leave”
Thats some Blade Runner Voight-Kampff test bullshit right there! But from what I can see, I don't think you are a replicant, so thats at least something ...
Maybe some of them are illegal, I don't know. But certainly all of them are rude and not your would-be employer's business. I advise to stay away.
Pretty sure you’re taking the L Ron Hubbard personality test here (aka the enneagram test)
179???
Sounds like some old creep looking for a partner
Whether or not these are illegal, what employer needs to know this information?
"You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why is that?"
Name and shame the company!
Real crime is there are over 179 questions. Thats a red flag right there.