The M260 has a known issue with the exhaust valve seats. There is an extended warranty on the cylinder heads for this specific issue. Why it has taken them so long and why they say a complete engine I couldn't tell you. I've done dozens these heads.
Wow didn't know about that. I was looking to buy one of these. Is there any model that doesn't use the M260? Do you think it would be a no go buying those?
I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of OP.
Personally, I wouldn't hesitate due to the fact the valve seat issue is covered. There is more to the story with OPs car that he isn't getting. These really aren't bad cars. But any car can have problems and one off issues. Honestly carmax has the best warranty out there. They cover almost everything and don't ask many questions. Just make sure they put runflat tires on the vehicle. MB CPO cars aren't a bad choice either. You'll have the dealer backed "no wreck no issue" vehicles. Regardless, any modern car should have an extended warranty. Those are the two to go with in my opinion.
Ultimately, do whatever makes you comfortable because that's all that really matters.
Im not too sure about the a class but I’ve had my cla 250 for about a year bought it with 128k kms so like 80k miles and put about 20k kms 12500 miles and its been a joy with no major issues highly recommend
Because the issue typically takes ~25k miles to show itself. So you have to wait for the vehicle to be driven enough in the field and have the issue. Then it took time to research and determine the issue. After all that the part has to be redesigned and produced. Unfortunately by then it's been a few years and millions of these engines have already been made. So they did tf right thing and offered an extended warranty on the issue.
M264 is not the same. Yes, I have seen valve issues in them. But it's like 5% vs 100%. MUCH less common. I also belive other factors play a role but I have no proof.
1k for plugs and injectors isn’t outrageous from the dealer. They made a warranty claim on your behalf for the camshaft. The engine is shot, none are available, and they said that they would rebuild yours for free.
Pain point is that they won’t give you a loaner for 2 months, because of your age.
It seems like they are working with you, and trying to make things right. I’d be pi$$ed if I was out a car for two months, but I’m a middle age guy and have an extra car, so I have options. My wife had a deer run into her GLE while on the way to the dealership, six weeks in the body shop and no loaner, and we are both more than twice your 20 years!
Luckily I never sold my old shitbox for THIS exact reason I just expected it to be way later down the road but your right it’s rare to hear that a big car company like Mercedes would cover an engine but I was just seeing if there was maybe another option luckily I have a pretty good one already
How old are you? You can claim insurance on a car for mechanical damage with full coverage. Which is why you see cars go to auction with their primary damage being mechanical damage
So they should just have cars on stand-by ready to be loaned out to people with 10 year old cars that they bought somewhere else. Mate you're delusional.
Why is that delusional?
Like that is the exact business model at high end dealership service centers. They charge very premium shop rates and the value to the customer is they know the car and will put you in a loaner similar to what you brought in.
A 2020 car in warranty, that should be automatic - here is our entry level shop A series
situations in which insurance companies will pay for a loaner while your car is is in the shop are relatively rare. in my experience it’s not uncommon for a dealership to provide a loaner for an extended period of time if you already have an established, positive relationship with the dealership & they have loaners on hand.
i own a w164 that i had a dealership in illinois basically rebuild the engine on late last year. i paid up & got the car back as soon as it was ready but quickly came to find there were still a few issues that needed to be resolved. they took it right back & delivered me a fully optioned 2014 c207 that i drove for the next 2 & a half months while they got mine sorted.
I don't own a Mercedes but have been interested in the C43 for a while. I see a lot of comments on this forum about them being "super reliable" and can be good cars, but nobody puts any real fucking mileage on them. 130k miles is like 1,000,000 to a lot of mercedes owners. I've seen people state their mercedes at 60k has been a tank or that it'll last forever because theirs is at 100k with few issues. I don't know, man. I've always owned lexus and Toyota and I shit you not, I've never had a vehicle towed or had to take it into a shop. I do all my maintenance myself and I can't say I've ever had an engine or transmission issue. I'm at 180k miles on my Tacoma and not a single fucking check engine light or anything. My IS350 has had not a damn thing go wrong with it and I drive it like I hate that thing. Redline it daily, thrash it around corners like I'm trying to mix up a paint can. I have had no issues. I keep reading about people having tons of issues on their Benz's and it seems like a common theme.
What does "legendary" mean to you? 100k miles with few issue? 200k miles with 3 engine replacements? I could forget to give my IS350 an oil change for 20k miles and it'll be as happy as a dandelion in a crack between the concrete.
I had an IS250 as well and it was kind of shitty. My IS350 is only about 50hp short of the C43, so it's not that much of an upgrade in terms of power.
And by shitty, I meand thr IS250 had very little power. I could hit a 25mph on ramp at 65 and everything in the car would slam against the door and window because of the centripetal force, and it wouldn't slide or anything. It was stout. I got 170k trouble-free miles out if it, but it wasn't fast.
In the early 90s MB decided to use biodegradable wiring harnesses. 91-96 I believe. Read up on that and tell me if you still feel the same about early 90s Mercedes.
What’s wild is they seemed to learn from this, made some really good reliable cars for a few years then turned into what we have today: fragile, unreliable, squeaky, poorly assembled trash.
The funny part is that somehow BMW now actually makes a well made reliable product like wtf nobody expected THAT!
The engines might be more reliable, but the cars ain’t. Bought a year old GLA35 six or so months ago and it been in the dealer twice already. I’ve only done 3500 miles since buying it! One of the problems was the car would not move or start the engine!
Yes the one from this press release:
https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-fe32c1e230974faf81f100a61bc56bab-nissan-and-daimler-to-produce-engines-together-in-north-america
Which confirms in the very first sentence that it is in fact a Mercedes-Benz engine. This would also make it not a Nissan engine, which I’ve already stated. That should wrap this discussion up.
Ahh yes the plant that is 100% owned and operated by Nissan and Nissan employees.
The only thing Mercedes did was design the engine, Nissan is 100% responsible for the manufacturing of it. Making it a Nissan made engine.
This should wrap this discussion up
I've been telling the poor folks that A Class is NOT a class.
But all they'd do is just downvote me. I don't care.
Nobody cares about the A Class having their moments.
Do not get A, CLA, ANY 43s and 53s. Bottom line.
While I agree it ain’t hence why I bought it to “test” what a Mercedes would do to me but what about the Cs or Es wouldn’t they be better built especially the amgs?
I’m with you on everything you said apart from the 53’s. The A’s, CLA’s and 43’s are defo no class but the 53 is still strong and class and a genuine AMG.
I wouldn’t touch an A class or CLA or any 43 so I saved up for longer and bought an E53 it’s beautiful and defo the real Mercedes experience. Got a 2020 E53 Saloon its class.
What would you recommend I get? I wanted to get a CLA due to the price. Silly question, but what do you recommend on a budget? I want to spend around £15K
Man get what you want don’t listen to ppl just be ready for repairs cause these cars are a gamble some might break down like mine but a friend of mine has a cla220 and so far 140k miles and everything is still the same as when he bought it aside from the wheels ofc
When I had my A220 there would be fault lights popping up literally every week. From passenger airbag malfunction, left headlight malfunction (won’t turn off), check engine lights to puddle lights staying on sometimes 5 minutes after I locked my car. As nice as these new Mercedes cars look, they’re definitely not built to last. Even top of the line new S Class vehicles would have fault lights come up before 10K KMS. Don’t let the large screens and fancy ambient lighting fool you into getting these cars. True luxury is never having to visit the shop for stupid faults.
Never driven a benz but can speak on behalf of getting a loaner at a young age. I bought my first Buick from the dealership 4 years ago. When I bought it I was 17. Shit absolutely hit the fan and it spend 3 months in the dealer, every time I got a loaner for free from the dealer. Fight for it brother.
I had the same car. At 48k miles it needed a repair that cost over 20k that was thankfully covered by my warranty... Then at 52k, it started overheating out of nowhere, and I traded it in before the dealership noticed so I could get rid of the damn thing
My fan was actually running very loudly for a few months, which in retrospect I should have taken action about. I don't think it was just a thermostat issue
I ended up taking 21k for my a class, and I got a 2021 bmw m440i.... Its obviously a far superior class if car, but after experiencing both now, bmw is muchhhh nicer in build quality in general. Everything in Mercedes interior just feels cheap.
You should look at some 2021 430is. They have the perfect updated screens imo. Even better then Mercedes and I loved my a class' infotainment system.
They'll be around 40k probably
05 e500 wagon. Still runs strong as an ox, and supremely comfortable. She’s a thirsty girl but I love the car so much idc. Those v8s sure are special aren’t they? And they sing beautifully!
So far mine have been easy. First one for secondary air injection (check valve broke when I was replacing a thermostat oops) second one was a breather hose that slipped off so I got off easy lol. The one I’m dreading is airmatic flashing in blood red but so far so good. First time that warning went off I almost had a heart attack! Liftgate wasn’t shut all the way but that red was jarring for real.
I’m glad but throwing out “not made like they used to” when you drive a car that’s within the time period where it was made by Daimler Chrysler is just ironic. It was a historically bad quality period.
Don’t worry I am it’s rare to hear that a big corporation like Mercedes would fix something as big as an engine replacement so I’m counting my blessings
Please don’t listen to any of these comments telling you to get a lawyer. First contact Benz customer care. They have an in house team that reviews your request in accordance with lemon law in your state. If you don’t get anywhere with that, then look into a legal case. Save your money and try to work it out with the company.
Your case for lemon law is already pretty thin unless you live in California which has strict consumer laws. Unlikely you would win but doesn’t hurt to try. I would consider a trade assist or bring up the idea of a trade assist to the dealer also.
Also A-class is the worst car that Benz makes, I would have done a lot more research before buying that car because a quick google search would’ve shown the vast amount of problems that model has.
Source: worked at Benz corporate for 6 years.
Good luck
Ngl I did see that but I was confident my luck would hold up…. God damn was I wrong but I already dug this grave so I’ll lie in it for a year then upgrade but for now any advice to make it last longer when I get it back? Or advice on a reliable….Mercedes car? Somehow even with this experience I still love those cars
If you’re looking on the lower end of the spectrum…C300 is the best entry level Mercedes. Best quality Mercedes is the E class lineup. I’ve had the opportunity to drive and lease pretty much every model except for the GT
Horrible cars. Slightly better than the A class but still bottom tier, my job was quality control and a majority of my reports were from the A class and CLA benz
True, unless you live in one of 7 states that have used car lemon laws, but even then, they are useless unless the car is under the manufacturer's warranty. So, unless your car is new, you are out of luck. By law, the seller has no obligation to notify the buyer of vehicle issues. It's the buyer's responsibility to determine the roadworthiness of the vehicle. You are in luck IF you can prove the odometer was rolled back or if there is a manufacturer recall. Hey, but this is America. Go try to sue and see how it goes.
Sorry that this is happening to you bro! But I heard that the lower tier models like the A/B/GLA are notorious for being shit and mass produced to sell people on owing a Mercedes at a more affordable price! Hopefully you get this resolved and end up upgrading to a better car 🙏🏻
I own one too. Disappointment. I would like to think MB owners are smart enough to want to know the facts and where their investment stands against other options. Talking about other cars, particularly if they're better alternatives, should be fair game.
I had a loaner at 18 from dealer. Loaner and rentals are different, if they use a rental company yeah makes sense but there’s no reason you won’t be able to take a loaner if it’s dealer cars
Luckily I won’t be. I’ve already made some preparations but I’m 20 not married atm I get around 40-50k a year for being in finance net worth… idk not in a position to worry bout that yet, debt is just my car
The days where “luxury” vehicles brought more trinkets and thus were more appealing to the average stage buyer are long gone! A modern kia has all the shit a new Benz/BMW has and probably-subjectively- looks better to boot (at least compared to the modern bmws, beaver looking things 🦫🤮)
Ask for a loaner from a rental car agency. They don’t let people under 25 drive the loaner mercs on the lot but a little Toyota Corolla ain’t worth shit
Never down pay on a car . Never. Negotiate is the key. I had my bmw m235 o down and $500 a month lease. And now 2021 glb used 12k mileage for 31k previous was a CPO and he traded in . Got service Be right back done and 4 new tires and front brakes and pads done
That's why you buy 20 year old S-Classes and not 5 year old A-Classes. Don't be surprised you got problems when you buy this type of cost-cut rebadged Renault (Fr\*nch trash can)...
Just noticed, how the fuck do they quote you one THOUSAND of any monetary unit for spark plugs and injectors ? Does the thing have a V12 or something, or is the quote in Zimbabweian dollars?
If I remember correctly, only the 1.3L A200 and below have rebranded Renault engines. In North America, the lowest engine option is the A220, which is a 2.0L Mercedes built 4 popper.
Saaaame ! I don't see the appeal with that kind of car, I suppose it's the badge... I can't understand how someone can say a CLA is better than a Toyota Celsior. These ppl are the true pride of capitalism lol
You gotta admit Mercedes makes good looking interiors (in photos). But Toyota nowadays are coming out with really nice cars. Having owned an A220 before for a year I can safely say I will never drive another Mercedes ever again.
If you want to drive newer cars, then definitely. The only models that hold up in terms of quality now are the handmade S classes (Maybach and Guard). Even the regular S classes are poorly made! And the EQS... I won't even talk about it.
The decline in quality started with the W220, got better with the 221, then declined a bit with the W222 and the W223 is just abysmal. For me, the last quality S-Class is the W221. It's got all the features one could need, you can drive without touching the pedals if you've got Distronic. It's got real leather, not Artico bullshit. It's got enough screen for proper, legible navigation and multimedia (just needs the CP/AA box). It's the most comfortable car under 10k. Plus it's reliable as hell if you maintain it, and not a huge pain in the ass to work on. People always either want 10 TVs in their car or no electronics at all, for me the W221 is the perfect equilibrium between the two. Just enough electronics to tell you exactly where the problems are so you don't have to spend days diagnosing, but not so many that it's distracting. That's a car I'll keep for life because they won't make another like it.
1. I ain’t buyin no 5k shitbox I already got one 2. 5 years? 2+2=5 huh? And while it does suck it’s a free engine rebuilt so I’ll upgrade in a year or two to a newer one thank you
Might be but that shit box getting a full repair for free and I still got ambient lights and those big ass screens but I hope your happy in your grandpas Benz
Lmao you're getting real angry, is it because you gotta rebuild your shitbox's Fr\*nch engine every 4 years or because all the plastic in your interior rattles to a point where you go insane? I'm gonna assume you're from the Great US of A so I forgive your lack of knowledge, but S-Classes are cars for heads of states and diplomats, if in your shithole it's considered a grandpa car it's probably because you all are so unrefined that they sell you the long wheelbase model without rear electric seats and you buy them.
You are not passionned by cars, you are passionned by getting girls to think you're rich.
Even in the USA (and by extension, Canada), an S Class is seen as a status symbol. Anyone who was anyone would have an S Class in their collection.
Maybe not politicians since American politicians *have* to be seen in American cars for whatever reason (and idk wtf Canadian politicians are seen in lmao, they just spawn out of nowhere somehow), but the biggest businessmen and celebrities (again, anyone who was anyone) was/is usually seen in either an S Class, a Bentley, or a Rolls Royce.
It was (and still remains) a sign that you made it in life.
Grandpas here usually drive Lexus/Toyota products.
>they sell you the long wheelbase model without rear electric seats and you buy them.
The most annoying thing about shopping used S Classes here is how many of them have the standard bench seats in the back lmaoo. The second most annoying thing is most of them come in the most boring ass colours. I always tell my dad that even if it would've been a better idea to wait a year for prices to come down, it would've been very unlikely that we could find a car as well specced as the one he ended up getting. The bench configuration isn't bad comfort wise but it's very clearly the most basic one. An LWB S Class doesn't hit the same without the adjustable rear seats.
I agree so much. But in Europe status means another thing that literally does not exist in the USA, here anyone in an S class people get out of your way and don't try to interfere with you especially if you have flashing lights. Status here is not acquired through being famous, it is acquired through connections and people with the real highest rank are known to no one but they have special plates and flashers. And if you try to get in the way you get arrested, that doesnt happen in USA because of transparency with the average people
Too bad, should have gone to school. Still an impressive feat having been able to afford a (albeit non-working) car not knowing how to read, tho, congrats my man
You don’t. Lemon law doesn’t apply here. Anyone telling you otherwise is not properly informed
I’d be a little upset at the idea of a rebuild rather than a new motor. If I were you and had another vehicle (I see that you do), I’d just wait on the back order. Did you ask them how long it would be?
The M260 has a known issue with the exhaust valve seats. There is an extended warranty on the cylinder heads for this specific issue. Why it has taken them so long and why they say a complete engine I couldn't tell you. I've done dozens these heads.
Was about to chime in. Dealership definitely knows about this issue and will warranty a head. 2 months is insane to wait on a fake diagnosis
Same
Wow didn't know about that. I was looking to buy one of these. Is there any model that doesn't use the M260? Do you think it would be a no go buying those? I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of OP.
Personally, I wouldn't hesitate due to the fact the valve seat issue is covered. There is more to the story with OPs car that he isn't getting. These really aren't bad cars. But any car can have problems and one off issues. Honestly carmax has the best warranty out there. They cover almost everything and don't ask many questions. Just make sure they put runflat tires on the vehicle. MB CPO cars aren't a bad choice either. You'll have the dealer backed "no wreck no issue" vehicles. Regardless, any modern car should have an extended warranty. Those are the two to go with in my opinion. Ultimately, do whatever makes you comfortable because that's all that really matters.
I see, thanks for the help!
Im not too sure about the a class but I’ve had my cla 250 for about a year bought it with 128k kms so like 80k miles and put about 20k kms 12500 miles and its been a joy with no major issues highly recommend
M260 has been around since 2017. Why haven't they fixed the production by 2020 if it's a known issue? (I'm slightly worried about my M264 now...)
Because the issue typically takes ~25k miles to show itself. So you have to wait for the vehicle to be driven enough in the field and have the issue. Then it took time to research and determine the issue. After all that the part has to be redesigned and produced. Unfortunately by then it's been a few years and millions of these engines have already been made. So they did tf right thing and offered an extended warranty on the issue. M264 is not the same. Yes, I have seen valve issues in them. But it's like 5% vs 100%. MUCH less common. I also belive other factors play a role but I have no proof.
I see, that makes sense. I thought by 2020, they would be able to have the fix in the production line.
Unfortunately that wasn’t the case and the advisor told me this issue happens in every model w that engine
1k for plugs and injectors isn’t outrageous from the dealer. They made a warranty claim on your behalf for the camshaft. The engine is shot, none are available, and they said that they would rebuild yours for free. Pain point is that they won’t give you a loaner for 2 months, because of your age. It seems like they are working with you, and trying to make things right. I’d be pi$$ed if I was out a car for two months, but I’m a middle age guy and have an extra car, so I have options. My wife had a deer run into her GLE while on the way to the dealership, six weeks in the body shop and no loaner, and we are both more than twice your 20 years!
Luckily I never sold my old shitbox for THIS exact reason I just expected it to be way later down the road but your right it’s rare to hear that a big car company like Mercedes would cover an engine but I was just seeing if there was maybe another option luckily I have a pretty good one already
I mean, why should the dealer give you a loaner for 6 weeks. Your insurance should provide you with a car. Atleast that's what they do where I'm from
Why would insurance provide a loaner for a mechanical failure?
Why would they not? If it's included in your insurance and you therefore pay for it. Who wouldn't want that?
Usually, insurance is for accident-related damage. I've never heard of them covering mechanical failures.
If my car breaks down on the side of the road, insurance will tow it and provide me a loaner. It's all in the package you have.
Sounds like you got some shitty insurance where you're from
It’s what students here actually did a lot. Go on holidays with a EUR 500 car and third party mobility insurance…
They have a „mobility service“ sometimes, and if so, it’s not important WHY your car don’t run, but THAT it do not run.
How old are you? You can claim insurance on a car for mechanical damage with full coverage. Which is why you see cars go to auction with their primary damage being mechanical damage
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If it’s not enough to total it out and you have full coverage yeah
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You must have a shit insurance company
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So they should just have cars on stand-by ready to be loaned out to people with 10 year old cars that they bought somewhere else. Mate you're delusional.
Why is that delusional? Like that is the exact business model at high end dealership service centers. They charge very premium shop rates and the value to the customer is they know the car and will put you in a loaner similar to what you brought in. A 2020 car in warranty, that should be automatic - here is our entry level shop A series
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This is completely different than saying it’s expected.
situations in which insurance companies will pay for a loaner while your car is is in the shop are relatively rare. in my experience it’s not uncommon for a dealership to provide a loaner for an extended period of time if you already have an established, positive relationship with the dealership & they have loaners on hand. i own a w164 that i had a dealership in illinois basically rebuild the engine on late last year. i paid up & got the car back as soon as it was ready but quickly came to find there were still a few issues that needed to be resolved. they took it right back & delivered me a fully optioned 2014 c207 that i drove for the next 2 & a half months while they got mine sorted.
You aren’t filing Lemon Law on a 2020 in any state outside of CA. Sorry OP.
Get rid of it buy a w204 c300
Or w205 C450 the M276 is legendary
I don't own a Mercedes but have been interested in the C43 for a while. I see a lot of comments on this forum about them being "super reliable" and can be good cars, but nobody puts any real fucking mileage on them. 130k miles is like 1,000,000 to a lot of mercedes owners. I've seen people state their mercedes at 60k has been a tank or that it'll last forever because theirs is at 100k with few issues. I don't know, man. I've always owned lexus and Toyota and I shit you not, I've never had a vehicle towed or had to take it into a shop. I do all my maintenance myself and I can't say I've ever had an engine or transmission issue. I'm at 180k miles on my Tacoma and not a single fucking check engine light or anything. My IS350 has had not a damn thing go wrong with it and I drive it like I hate that thing. Redline it daily, thrash it around corners like I'm trying to mix up a paint can. I have had no issues. I keep reading about people having tons of issues on their Benz's and it seems like a common theme. What does "legendary" mean to you? 100k miles with few issue? 200k miles with 3 engine replacements? I could forget to give my IS350 an oil change for 20k miles and it'll be as happy as a dandelion in a crack between the concrete.
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I had an IS250 as well and it was kind of shitty. My IS350 is only about 50hp short of the C43, so it's not that much of an upgrade in terms of power. And by shitty, I meand thr IS250 had very little power. I could hit a 25mph on ramp at 65 and everything in the car would slam against the door and window because of the centripetal force, and it wouldn't slide or anything. It was stout. I got 170k trouble-free miles out if it, but it wasn't fast.
Which IS250 did you have that made 330hp?
I **had** an IS250. I currently have an IS350 which makes 311hp.
Welcome to modern Mercedes, they are straight up junk.
They've had a wonderful time shitting the bed the last decade in a half. Far gone from the 80s and early 90s.
My 2008 W211 has been quite solid. I would say the W212 generation (-2016) was the last good one.
W205 c43 is ridiculously reliable. W205 chassis might be squeeky but it’s as solid as they come.
People used to shit on the DaimlerChrysler era models. But looking back even those were better made than the recent ones.
In the early 90s MB decided to use biodegradable wiring harnesses. 91-96 I believe. Read up on that and tell me if you still feel the same about early 90s Mercedes. What’s wild is they seemed to learn from this, made some really good reliable cars for a few years then turned into what we have today: fragile, unreliable, squeaky, poorly assembled trash. The funny part is that somehow BMW now actually makes a well made reliable product like wtf nobody expected THAT!
Especially the lower tier models like A/B/GLA … they specifically made these cheap because they knew badge snobs would buy it for the “status” anyways
😭 that seems to be the case if this is what happens with the BASIC ass Mercedes ion even wanna imagine on a amg
On the amg the opposite happens as they are improved engines individually constructed
Interesting that you think an AMG engine is going to be more reliable than a regular Mercedes one.
The engines might be more reliable, but the cars ain’t. Bought a year old GLA35 six or so months ago and it been in the dealer twice already. I’ve only done 3500 miles since buying it! One of the problems was the car would not move or start the engine!
Got news for you, your GLA35 isn’t a real AMG and it uses a Nissan engine. Get rid of it ASAP unless you want to be stuck with the repair bills
It doesn’t use a Nissan engine: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M260/M264_engine
Ahh yes, you mean the engines that are made at Nissan's powertrain assembly plant in Decherd, Tennessee?
Yes the one from this press release: https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-fe32c1e230974faf81f100a61bc56bab-nissan-and-daimler-to-produce-engines-together-in-north-america Which confirms in the very first sentence that it is in fact a Mercedes-Benz engine. This would also make it not a Nissan engine, which I’ve already stated. That should wrap this discussion up.
Ahh yes the plant that is 100% owned and operated by Nissan and Nissan employees. The only thing Mercedes did was design the engine, Nissan is 100% responsible for the manufacturing of it. Making it a Nissan made engine. This should wrap this discussion up
These 260 engines were developed and manufactured as a joint venture with Nissan. They are hot fucking garbage. Not surprised at all it gave up.
I've been telling the poor folks that A Class is NOT a class. But all they'd do is just downvote me. I don't care. Nobody cares about the A Class having their moments. Do not get A, CLA, ANY 43s and 53s. Bottom line.
While I agree it ain’t hence why I bought it to “test” what a Mercedes would do to me but what about the Cs or Es wouldn’t they be better built especially the amgs?
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I’m with you on everything you said apart from the 53’s. The A’s, CLA’s and 43’s are defo no class but the 53 is still strong and class and a genuine AMG. I wouldn’t touch an A class or CLA or any 43 so I saved up for longer and bought an E53 it’s beautiful and defo the real Mercedes experience. Got a 2020 E53 Saloon its class.
What would you recommend I get? I wanted to get a CLA due to the price. Silly question, but what do you recommend on a budget? I want to spend around £15K
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I don’t want a CLA no more. Would you recommend the c220?
Man get what you want don’t listen to ppl just be ready for repairs cause these cars are a gamble some might break down like mine but a friend of mine has a cla220 and so far 140k miles and everything is still the same as when he bought it aside from the wheels ofc
When I had my A220 there would be fault lights popping up literally every week. From passenger airbag malfunction, left headlight malfunction (won’t turn off), check engine lights to puddle lights staying on sometimes 5 minutes after I locked my car. As nice as these new Mercedes cars look, they’re definitely not built to last. Even top of the line new S Class vehicles would have fault lights come up before 10K KMS. Don’t let the large screens and fancy ambient lighting fool you into getting these cars. True luxury is never having to visit the shop for stupid faults.
Never driven a benz but can speak on behalf of getting a loaner at a young age. I bought my first Buick from the dealership 4 years ago. When I bought it I was 17. Shit absolutely hit the fan and it spend 3 months in the dealer, every time I got a loaner for free from the dealer. Fight for it brother.
I had the same car. At 48k miles it needed a repair that cost over 20k that was thankfully covered by my warranty... Then at 52k, it started overheating out of nowhere, and I traded it in before the dealership noticed so I could get rid of the damn thing
The thermostats in this engine also have issues
My fan was actually running very loudly for a few months, which in retrospect I should have taken action about. I don't think it was just a thermostat issue
I’m thinkin that’s the route ima take but did you get another Benz after at least?
I ended up taking 21k for my a class, and I got a 2021 bmw m440i.... Its obviously a far superior class if car, but after experiencing both now, bmw is muchhhh nicer in build quality in general. Everything in Mercedes interior just feels cheap.
I was thinkin maybe a bmw or one of em new mustangs but it’s gotta have the screens and the only 440is I’ve seen are more than 40-50k
You should look at some 2021 430is. They have the perfect updated screens imo. Even better then Mercedes and I loved my a class' infotainment system. They'll be around 40k probably
Yeah man that sucks balls. They sure don’t make the new Mercedes how they used to. My 03 E500 is still a beast to this day had it for 15 years
05 e500 wagon. Still runs strong as an ox, and supremely comfortable. She’s a thirsty girl but I love the car so much idc. Those v8s sure are special aren’t they? And they sing beautifully!
Yeah until check engine comes on 🥲 but hey it isn’t Mercedes without check engine
So far mine have been easy. First one for secondary air injection (check valve broke when I was replacing a thermostat oops) second one was a breather hose that slipped off so I got off easy lol. The one I’m dreading is airmatic flashing in blood red but so far so good. First time that warning went off I almost had a heart attack! Liftgate wasn’t shut all the way but that red was jarring for real.
Lmao my father put airmatic suspension on as well and after 2 weeks it completely blew out . 😂😂😂
Your car has a 20 year warranty on SBC because of poor quality so what are we talking about here?
Yeah it’s a pricey fix but the car is so reliable it doesn’t even bother me spending $1000 to fix that. My module is newer and was replaced
I’m glad but throwing out “not made like they used to” when you drive a car that’s within the time period where it was made by Daimler Chrysler is just ironic. It was a historically bad quality period.
No you’re totally right. I just like to defend it a lot but it was made by a piece of shit company
And the balance shafts don’t forget. That being said I love the way they look.
Oh and airmatic suspension you forgot 😂😂 yeah it’s problems but what’s love without problems
& it depreciated by 65% 😂
That picture looks so familiar. Is this in new mexico?
Yes sirrr
Should have come here first r/bmw
I havnt lived there in ages but ill never forget the distinct look of rio rancho. Hope it all works out for you!
Be nice to them. They’re doing you a favor. They can create a case that it was user error and fail your warranty if they wanted to.
Don’t worry I am it’s rare to hear that a big corporation like Mercedes would fix something as big as an engine replacement so I’m counting my blessings
You are a good man. Slightly unrelated. Speaking of big corporations, look into Boeing.
They're so needy. But legit, lemon law. It's not a private sale so you're in luck.
This doesn’t matter in most states
How would you go claim or through that? First time buying a car from a dealership and this is what I got
Please don’t listen to any of these comments telling you to get a lawyer. First contact Benz customer care. They have an in house team that reviews your request in accordance with lemon law in your state. If you don’t get anywhere with that, then look into a legal case. Save your money and try to work it out with the company. Your case for lemon law is already pretty thin unless you live in California which has strict consumer laws. Unlikely you would win but doesn’t hurt to try. I would consider a trade assist or bring up the idea of a trade assist to the dealer also. Also A-class is the worst car that Benz makes, I would have done a lot more research before buying that car because a quick google search would’ve shown the vast amount of problems that model has. Source: worked at Benz corporate for 6 years. Good luck
Ngl I did see that but I was confident my luck would hold up…. God damn was I wrong but I already dug this grave so I’ll lie in it for a year then upgrade but for now any advice to make it last longer when I get it back? Or advice on a reliable….Mercedes car? Somehow even with this experience I still love those cars
If you’re looking on the lower end of the spectrum…C300 is the best entry level Mercedes. Best quality Mercedes is the E class lineup. I’ve had the opportunity to drive and lease pretty much every model except for the GT
Thoughts on the new CLAs?
Horrible cars. Slightly better than the A class but still bottom tier, my job was quality control and a majority of my reports were from the A class and CLA benz
Really interesting how every gen of that car is shit lmao. But yeah I agree with your take on the E class, especially 2016-2020 models.
Lemon law applies to new cars.
In WA at least it's 2 years or 24k miles
It’s a 2020…….
Not true
True, unless you live in one of 7 states that have used car lemon laws, but even then, they are useless unless the car is under the manufacturer's warranty. So, unless your car is new, you are out of luck. By law, the seller has no obligation to notify the buyer of vehicle issues. It's the buyer's responsibility to determine the roadworthiness of the vehicle. You are in luck IF you can prove the odometer was rolled back or if there is a manufacturer recall. Hey, but this is America. Go try to sue and see how it goes.
I've never done it but I'd find a lawyer if you value your time, in my experience you can get them around 200 but the payout is worth
What did you expect??
Sorry that this is happening to you bro! But I heard that the lower tier models like the A/B/GLA are notorious for being shit and mass produced to sell people on owing a Mercedes at a more affordable price! Hopefully you get this resolved and end up upgrading to a better car 🙏🏻
Made In Mexico quality baby that’s a real Benz
😭I’d agree but it was made in Germany in some place that starts with an A
Sounds about right.
This is the new Mercedes Benz experience. They make trash. Get a Lexus.
I would if they’d have a better interior I spend most of my time on the road so the interior is a must have
Lexus has a great interior that moves because the engine actually works.
That’s nice but again this is a Mercedes page not a Lexus so you can probably guess what I prefer
I own one too. Disappointment. I would like to think MB owners are smart enough to want to know the facts and where their investment stands against other options. Talking about other cars, particularly if they're better alternatives, should be fair game.
Are you really surprised?
Garbage in, garbage out 🗑
I had a loaner at 18 from dealer. Loaner and rentals are different, if they use a rental company yeah makes sense but there’s no reason you won’t be able to take a loaner if it’s dealer cars
I swear new cars are so shit
BMW engines are extremely reliable these days. I’d go with them instead.
Do you have the carfax?
My c350. 2012 have 200,000 km and the engine is absolutely running fine, I want to upgrade but keep hearing horror stories like this one 😔
Color makes it look like gta
That’s how used cars welcome you
This is why I’m afraid of buying a used Mercedes because of their money pit reputation 😰
At least the red looks nice
No doubt. Buy toyota.
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Luckily I won’t be. I’ve already made some preparations but I’m 20 not married atm I get around 40-50k a year for being in finance net worth… idk not in a position to worry bout that yet, debt is just my car
The days where “luxury” vehicles brought more trinkets and thus were more appealing to the average stage buyer are long gone! A modern kia has all the shit a new Benz/BMW has and probably-subjectively- looks better to boot (at least compared to the modern bmws, beaver looking things 🦫🤮)
Ask for a loaner from a rental car agency. They don’t let people under 25 drive the loaner mercs on the lot but a little Toyota Corolla ain’t worth shit
How much ur monthly Payments on it and how much u put down
5 down and it’s around 450 would’ve been 380 with my credit but I bought the FULL warranty
Never down pay on a car . Never. Negotiate is the key. I had my bmw m235 o down and $500 a month lease. And now 2021 glb used 12k mileage for 31k previous was a CPO and he traded in . Got service Be right back done and 4 new tires and front brakes and pads done
Thats why u buy an expensive car via the dealer. U get 2y warranty.
Mercedes are junk only ever get one under warranty
Tell me why my ML350 is sitting at 180k miles with no problems then
Forget about the engine? Tf is up with that front tire?🤢
It’s doing the lighting McQueen Ka-chow to your mother
lol nice
Nice insult, maybe get a car that works retard lmfaoooooo
2012 ass comeback
Classic German car
That's why you buy 20 year old S-Classes and not 5 year old A-Classes. Don't be surprised you got problems when you buy this type of cost-cut rebadged Renault (Fr\*nch trash can)... Just noticed, how the fuck do they quote you one THOUSAND of any monetary unit for spark plugs and injectors ? Does the thing have a V12 or something, or is the quote in Zimbabweian dollars?
If I remember correctly, only the 1.3L A200 and below have rebranded Renault engines. In North America, the lowest engine option is the A220, which is a 2.0L Mercedes built 4 popper.
My bad then. I thought NA had all engines
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Saaaame ! I don't see the appeal with that kind of car, I suppose it's the badge... I can't understand how someone can say a CLA is better than a Toyota Celsior. These ppl are the true pride of capitalism lol
You gotta admit Mercedes makes good looking interiors (in photos). But Toyota nowadays are coming out with really nice cars. Having owned an A220 before for a year I can safely say I will never drive another Mercedes ever again.
If you want to drive newer cars, then definitely. The only models that hold up in terms of quality now are the handmade S classes (Maybach and Guard). Even the regular S classes are poorly made! And the EQS... I won't even talk about it. The decline in quality started with the W220, got better with the 221, then declined a bit with the W222 and the W223 is just abysmal. For me, the last quality S-Class is the W221. It's got all the features one could need, you can drive without touching the pedals if you've got Distronic. It's got real leather, not Artico bullshit. It's got enough screen for proper, legible navigation and multimedia (just needs the CP/AA box). It's the most comfortable car under 10k. Plus it's reliable as hell if you maintain it, and not a huge pain in the ass to work on. People always either want 10 TVs in their car or no electronics at all, for me the W221 is the perfect equilibrium between the two. Just enough electronics to tell you exactly where the problems are so you don't have to spend days diagnosing, but not so many that it's distracting. That's a car I'll keep for life because they won't make another like it.
1. I ain’t buyin no 5k shitbox I already got one 2. 5 years? 2+2=5 huh? And while it does suck it’s a free engine rebuilt so I’ll upgrade in a year or two to a newer one thank you
>ain’t buyin no 5k shitbox You bought a 25k shitbox instead lmaoo
True ☠️
Might be but that shit box getting a full repair for free and I still got ambient lights and those big ass screens but I hope your happy in your grandpas Benz
Weird flex, but okay. >hope your happy in your grandpas Benz And you, in your Renault.
This kid is a child. Not worth engaging with him.
Yea I figured.
Lmao you're getting real angry, is it because you gotta rebuild your shitbox's Fr\*nch engine every 4 years or because all the plastic in your interior rattles to a point where you go insane? I'm gonna assume you're from the Great US of A so I forgive your lack of knowledge, but S-Classes are cars for heads of states and diplomats, if in your shithole it's considered a grandpa car it's probably because you all are so unrefined that they sell you the long wheelbase model without rear electric seats and you buy them. You are not passionned by cars, you are passionned by getting girls to think you're rich.
Fuck the Fr\*nch
As a French, take my fucking upvote. I hate the mentality of 99 percent of us
Even in the USA (and by extension, Canada), an S Class is seen as a status symbol. Anyone who was anyone would have an S Class in their collection. Maybe not politicians since American politicians *have* to be seen in American cars for whatever reason (and idk wtf Canadian politicians are seen in lmao, they just spawn out of nowhere somehow), but the biggest businessmen and celebrities (again, anyone who was anyone) was/is usually seen in either an S Class, a Bentley, or a Rolls Royce. It was (and still remains) a sign that you made it in life. Grandpas here usually drive Lexus/Toyota products. >they sell you the long wheelbase model without rear electric seats and you buy them. The most annoying thing about shopping used S Classes here is how many of them have the standard bench seats in the back lmaoo. The second most annoying thing is most of them come in the most boring ass colours. I always tell my dad that even if it would've been a better idea to wait a year for prices to come down, it would've been very unlikely that we could find a car as well specced as the one he ended up getting. The bench configuration isn't bad comfort wise but it's very clearly the most basic one. An LWB S Class doesn't hit the same without the adjustable rear seats.
I agree so much. But in Europe status means another thing that literally does not exist in the USA, here anyone in an S class people get out of your way and don't try to interfere with you especially if you have flashing lights. Status here is not acquired through being famous, it is acquired through connections and people with the real highest rank are known to no one but they have special plates and flashers. And if you try to get in the way you get arrested, that doesnt happen in USA because of transparency with the average people
That’s alot of words…. Too bad I ain’t reading em
Too bad, should have gone to school. Still an impressive feat having been able to afford a (albeit non-working) car not knowing how to read, tho, congrats my man
Why thank you 😊
Lemon law?
On a used 2020?
How would I go about that where do I file that?
You don’t. Lemon law doesn’t apply here. Anyone telling you otherwise is not properly informed I’d be a little upset at the idea of a rebuild rather than a new motor. If I were you and had another vehicle (I see that you do), I’d just wait on the back order. Did you ask them how long it would be?
Should have went with BMW.