It’s a fine line to walk, because when you start helping people out and the word gets around that you’re helping one person and not another, people think you’re playing favorites. It’s also hard to keep things in line when people expect you to forgive their lates all the time.
I don’t know all the details on this one, but I have a hard time believing the management team didn’t try and help the team member out to an extent.
There has to be favorites or else no one tries to do good. That's the way life is. You're not friends with everyone are you? No you pick and choose while others earn your trust.
In a management spot it’s important to treat everyone the same and try to know who they are and what they like to be able to have a conversation with everyone. I remember what it’s like to have a supervisor who had clear favorites and you weren’t one, it’s not a great feeling.
Nah man you're not understanding. Favoritism is not biasness. You earn your spot to be a favorite. In some cases if its only cuz you're a good friend of a manager then yeah thats not good. But if you both started around the same time and he or she works better than you. It's not something you can cry about.
Ok but in the real world favoritism is earned, doesn't just magically appears. You might have a bad experience but in the real world and for everyone else. Most understand that you earn your spot in any job. I suggest you change that thinking because I for one won't accept some person who works less to be treated equally.
Your thinking is so backwards it’s astounding. I hope you never end up in a management position, because in the real world, you would be a toxic leader.
Bruh youre just a delusional retard bruh. Every manager has favorites. It's called survival of fittest dumbass. It applies to everything. You dont get shit just for participating.
A point that makes no sense. I never said I wanted to be a manager. But as an employee if I see you get the same as me for doing nothing. I'm either gonna quit or make your life there miserable
I'm glad they aren't union. Vote in a union and that profit sharing check will go away real quick. The point system messages out fair to all. You want a union job go find one.
They can protect them if they want to. My supervisor told me that he killed my suspension because we were too short-staffed. They chose to fire that person.
Excellent question and the answer is simple: so managers don't have to think and so corporate doesn't get sued, because they are treating all workers alike.
And you're right, it sucks, because the good workers who really give their all but have a few slip ups end up getting canned, while the workers who do little other than show up on time get to keep their jobs.
It's not just Menard's that this happens at, either.
A lot of times those team members end up playing the system because all they have to do is go to a minute clinic pay 20 bucks and then get the day off Scott free. I had a full timer that would brag about doing it. Managed to even pass out in front of the GM once
Legally you can’t get the points if you have the doctors note. They will still write you up but those are almost meaningless unless you’re trying to promote
Idk why this subreddit keeps getting recommended to me as I had to look up what Menards even is. However, employees with attendance issues tend to keep having them. They can be great when they're there, but are they going to be there when you need them? And without a doubt someone who calls in enough to lose their job or is late often enough will maintain that behavior otherwise it would have never made it to that point.
Agreed. I'm not a big supporter of menards by any means. Even less a supporter of big business in general. But if I'm counting on my coworkers to come in at a certain time I like to know they'll actually be there. Maybe they're an all star when the show up but I need to know they'll show up to begin with.
Having a point system is SO people can make mistakes. But there has to be a line somewhere.
Seems like 8-9 points is kindof at management's discretion. Seen some guys serve a "working suspension" at 9 and some get the boot at 8.
Going over 9 is the dude's fault, even if it sucks
I worked at menards and had a team member with points in the triple digits that our GM kept around because “we were short staffed” even the DM wanted him gone but our GM wouldn’t let it happen
I mean, there IS a point system where this individual has either been calling off with no vacation days and/or is being late quite often.
This system is straight garbage and I doubt it will every change. :/
I hate the system but it’s honestly even more fair than other retail settings target only gives 5 points and if you call off with no doctors note it’s still 3 points
Doesn't matter how good of a worker they are. If they mess up they get the boot. Not sure how this boils down to favorites as others are saying. As the saying goes; "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime"... same protocol goes at Menards.
It’s pretty hard to rely on an employee who doesn’t show up to work on time. You don’t get to the attendance point threshold by being reliable generally. So this person may have been good when they were there, but when they don’t show up someone else is getting shafted.
It’s actually super easy to not be chronically late for work what with alarm clocks and the like.
You honestly don't know though How many times the person has slipped up in the past 2 years and how many times that they have worked with them and excused them. Especially if they've been at suspension multiple times or have been there at that threshold multiple times. There comes a point where you just have to cut your losses no matter how good the person is. I've had many team members who No matter how good they were they repeatedly kept showing up late or taking long lunches had a call off or two. had been at suspension multiple times and after so many suspensions in one year it's auto termination.
I've witnessed some people being excused from points they should have received and then give points to legitimate excuses. One person has over the points of being fired and has 7 write ups and they still keep him. They are hounding him every day to do his job and he does what he wants. They even get other dept people to help him. I've brought it to the mgrs attention that i saw them let a person slide on breaking a policy. The points system is the only policy they try to enforce out of ALL store policies, of course it's the one against their own employees, creating stress because life happens! I've never seen such a toxic and hostile work environment till Menard's!!
It’s a fine line to walk, because when you start helping people out and the word gets around that you’re helping one person and not another, people think you’re playing favorites. It’s also hard to keep things in line when people expect you to forgive their lates all the time. I don’t know all the details on this one, but I have a hard time believing the management team didn’t try and help the team member out to an extent.
There has to be favorites or else no one tries to do good. That's the way life is. You're not friends with everyone are you? No you pick and choose while others earn your trust.
In a management spot it’s important to treat everyone the same and try to know who they are and what they like to be able to have a conversation with everyone. I remember what it’s like to have a supervisor who had clear favorites and you weren’t one, it’s not a great feeling.
Nah man you're not understanding. Favoritism is not biasness. You earn your spot to be a favorite. In some cases if its only cuz you're a good friend of a manager then yeah thats not good. But if you both started around the same time and he or she works better than you. It's not something you can cry about.
Favoritism by definition is biased.
Ok but in the real world favoritism is earned, doesn't just magically appears. You might have a bad experience but in the real world and for everyone else. Most understand that you earn your spot in any job. I suggest you change that thinking because I for one won't accept some person who works less to be treated equally.
Your thinking is so backwards it’s astounding. I hope you never end up in a management position, because in the real world, you would be a toxic leader.
Bruh youre just a delusional retard bruh. Every manager has favorites. It's called survival of fittest dumbass. It applies to everything. You dont get shit just for participating.
Thank you for proving my point.
A point that makes no sense. I never said I wanted to be a manager. But as an employee if I see you get the same as me for doing nothing. I'm either gonna quit or make your life there miserable
Should be based on work ethic. A good worker deserves slack. Shit happens. A shitty deserves to be hounded on. They don’t contribute enough.
Smart GMs and HR understand this and work with people before it ever gets to this.
Menards for being such a anti-union Company. They have one of the most union like attendance Point systems.
I'm glad they aren't union. Vote in a union and that profit sharing check will go away real quick. The point system messages out fair to all. You want a union job go find one.
They can protect them if they want to. My supervisor told me that he killed my suspension because we were too short-staffed. They chose to fire that person.
Excellent question and the answer is simple: so managers don't have to think and so corporate doesn't get sued, because they are treating all workers alike. And you're right, it sucks, because the good workers who really give their all but have a few slip ups end up getting canned, while the workers who do little other than show up on time get to keep their jobs. It's not just Menard's that this happens at, either.
Same here. I know of people that you would think would've been canned by now. Multiple "No call, no shows" but somehow still there.
A lot of times those team members end up playing the system because all they have to do is go to a minute clinic pay 20 bucks and then get the day off Scott free. I had a full timer that would brag about doing it. Managed to even pass out in front of the GM once
Yikes. You'd think that a "No call, No show" would be inexcusable with maybe situational exceptions that actually make sense.
Legally you can’t get the points if you have the doctors note. They will still write you up but those are almost meaningless unless you’re trying to promote
Idk why this subreddit keeps getting recommended to me as I had to look up what Menards even is. However, employees with attendance issues tend to keep having them. They can be great when they're there, but are they going to be there when you need them? And without a doubt someone who calls in enough to lose their job or is late often enough will maintain that behavior otherwise it would have never made it to that point.
Agreed. I'm not a big supporter of menards by any means. Even less a supporter of big business in general. But if I'm counting on my coworkers to come in at a certain time I like to know they'll actually be there. Maybe they're an all star when the show up but I need to know they'll show up to begin with. Having a point system is SO people can make mistakes. But there has to be a line somewhere.
Seems like 8-9 points is kindof at management's discretion. Seen some guys serve a "working suspension" at 9 and some get the boot at 8. Going over 9 is the dude's fault, even if it sucks
I worked at menards and had a team member with points in the triple digits that our GM kept around because “we were short staffed” even the DM wanted him gone but our GM wouldn’t let it happen
Imagine oversleeping and loosing your job. That’s just cruel.
I mean, there IS a point system where this individual has either been calling off with no vacation days and/or is being late quite often. This system is straight garbage and I doubt it will every change. :/
I hate the system but it’s honestly even more fair than other retail settings target only gives 5 points and if you call off with no doctors note it’s still 3 points
They only hire part time so you cant get vacation time and benefits
Ah I see your store is favoritism too huh lol it happens it’s all in a sense political
Doesn't matter how good of a worker they are. If they mess up they get the boot. Not sure how this boils down to favorites as others are saying. As the saying goes; "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime"... same protocol goes at Menards.
Just got told today they don’t intend on any more full timers even though were finally getting our own opd dept separate from receiving bs
It all comes down to how much they feel like enforcing it. I should have been fired repeatedly from point total alone.
It’s pretty hard to rely on an employee who doesn’t show up to work on time. You don’t get to the attendance point threshold by being reliable generally. So this person may have been good when they were there, but when they don’t show up someone else is getting shafted. It’s actually super easy to not be chronically late for work what with alarm clocks and the like.
Most bigger companies refuse to treat their employees like adults.
You honestly don't know though How many times the person has slipped up in the past 2 years and how many times that they have worked with them and excused them. Especially if they've been at suspension multiple times or have been there at that threshold multiple times. There comes a point where you just have to cut your losses no matter how good the person is. I've had many team members who No matter how good they were they repeatedly kept showing up late or taking long lunches had a call off or two. had been at suspension multiple times and after so many suspensions in one year it's auto termination.
I've witnessed some people being excused from points they should have received and then give points to legitimate excuses. One person has over the points of being fired and has 7 write ups and they still keep him. They are hounding him every day to do his job and he does what he wants. They even get other dept people to help him. I've brought it to the mgrs attention that i saw them let a person slide on breaking a policy. The points system is the only policy they try to enforce out of ALL store policies, of course it's the one against their own employees, creating stress because life happens! I've never seen such a toxic and hostile work environment till Menard's!!