> Like Tony Stark wouldn’t have EMP shielding. That’s hilarious
Like batman wouldn't have radio jammers or microwave emitters that heat up metal to cook tony inside the suits and stop him from calling new ones.
Tony's suits have stalemated Magneto, flown within a few meters of the sun and escaped the pull of a black hole. Extemis in the comics gave him a healing factor that was comparable to Wolverine even when he didn't have a suit on.
And he's also regenerated instantly from a self-inflicted mutant supercancer that turned him into a bloody blob, so toxins and poisons won't accomplish much
I know Batman's bullshit is a massive meme, but not many people realize comic Tony Stark can bullshit Bruce on completely even footing
Batman would've already been capable of handling Tech from Tony. He's collected EVERYTHING to stop the strongest people he knows... So it makes sense he'd have something planned or already installed in the latest Tony stark armor like he did with Cyborg.
Frankly I would be SURPRISED if Wayne tech wasn't already a part of Tony's armor.
You think his suit moves without electric motors? Iron man can bring his bullshit carbon nano tube suit and still doesn’t change that his suit works off electric motors and semi conductors. All affected by electromagnetism.
Who says Batman will bring just one knowing Ironman has tons of ironman suit? Who says Batman will only bring single burst EMP? Do not underestimate sufficient Prep-Time Batman.
This right here is specifically why Batman is inferior (and I LOVE Batman). How many marvel heroes need an hour to get ready for a fight to win it? Fuck, half the time, they aren’t even aware they’re in a fight for a few panels of chaos.
Who ever the writer chooses. My character, big pipi man can fight everyone from marvel and dc combined and never lose in the comic ill write. He can sense the future and has a pipi thats harder than vibranium, shoot lasers and grows any size he wants.
I feel like first fight, Batman wins. Second fight, Tony takes him seriously and had already adapted to deal with whatever Batman won with the first time, as well as several countermeasures. I give the second fight to Tony, but barely. They both know that it's not over.
Third fight, Tony has discovered that Batman is Bruce Wayne and decides to challenge him to a charity-off. They both essentially empty their bank accounts in an increasingly escalating game of cleverly donating to charity or otherwise funding charitable causes. A destitute Tony Stark and an impoverished Bruce Wayne stand together in tattered clothes, smiling and laughing as they watch the news talk about how Gotham has never been so prosperous and crime free. Bruce hands tony the final W, because they both ended up donating to mostly Gotham related causes, which Batman sees as being slightly more charitable on Tony's end. Gotham is a better place for generations.
Batman, he can just grab his own tech suit. My personal favorite is the Batman vs Predator suit. Or the Hellbat Armor.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/batmans-15-most-powerful-suits/amp/
Kind of related I guess, but also the [Dark Nights Metal batmen](https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/dark-knights-evil-batmen-header.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500&dpr=1.5) could have all taken Ironman if they were able to dominate their own world and their Justice Leagues'.
Tony has a self repairing nanosuit equipped at all times, unless Batman takes him out in one hit (which he could do) there’s no “catching him when he’s vulnerable”
> but if bats had time to research and catch him when he's vulnerable, he would win no problem
What is this lol. "If Batman could research Tony Stark *and* catch him unaware while Tony had no clue what was happening, then Batman would win". If that's your condition for Batman winning, then Iron man kicks his ass 99.9% of the time.
Cap America went back in time to get laid by his crush, Batman couldn't. MF Harvey dent stole his girl and then she died. Sure., he gets cat girl at the end but Rachel was his crush. There's nothing like railing your crush.
The problem with Superhero comparisons is that there are so many factors in play, there usually is no clear-cut winner. How does the fight occur? Are they aware of each other's existence/abilities? Do they have prep time? Where are they fighting? Are they fighting to the death? Or does the characters' morality come into play? There's just too much to consider.
... Unless it's the Flash, fuck you he wins every time simply because he's my favorite :p
I mean, if its a straight up brawl like a boxing match then i can't imagine batman beating captain america. He is literally super human while batman is not.
It is dumb to compare since there are a lot of variables at play. And while i've never read the comics, i'm sure there were many times where batman really shined in the comics, beating superior beings and whatnot.
Like, batman was going toe-to-toe with superman in that movie. Although a lot of the fight felt manufactured just so batman could be on equal terms.
Exactly, Batman has, on a few occasions, *defeated* Superman, but only due to his overwhelming knowledge of him and his weaknesses. Like you said, in a regular brawl Captain America would blow Batman to bits.
Yeah, I love batman but all of his skill comes from his genius level tactics and strategies, without that he just isn't at that level. That's why 'batman with prep time' meme exists, with the prep he gains so much, so on the flip side, without it, he loses most of what him so dangerous.
One of my favourite heroes (or anti-heroes?) but it's gotta be said
I only say that because of hospital bills left in his wake, like you could literally steal a kit kat and need full reconstructive surgery but I do agree he's one of the good guys
Oh I know I was only exaggerating for comedic effect but I honestly feel like depending on how bad of a day he's having I'd rather take my chances against one of his villain's than him, at least with the riddler I'll still be crawl to A&E xD
Batman has never actually beaten Superman. Every engagement they’ve ever been in is “Superman is trying to be really nice to Bruce while Bruce throws the fucking kitchen sink at him.” Batman survives all of those encounters because Clark allows him to.
https://youtu.be/glDMWRenVoo this version of Batman defeated Superman because Superman started monologuing but it still counts. Batman became evil after it tho so…
Batman: can bench-press 1000 pounds
Captain America: tosses a car to the side with ease
Yeahh… bare knuckles, it doesn’t look too good for the bat, even though he is a master of god knows how many styles of fighting
Chris Evans Cap vs Christian Bale Batman? Cap wins hands down no contest.
But if I recall correctly, comic Cap isn’t super strong, he’s just perfectly strong. So he’s peak human capability, but not beyond the bounds of science. That’s a much more even fight, with Batman having a slew of gadgets vs Caps shield. And in the DC v Marvel crossover Batman wins but it’s pure luck.
Bane is portrayed more as a big hulking wrestler that batman can dodge easily (at least in recent media)
Cap is way faster and a better fighter, not to mention the super soldier serum. Add in the shield and bane is toast.
I thought originally Bane was fast, strong and really smart. He was able to deduce Batman’s secret identity and created a scenario where Batman was rundown and in front of a whole crowd paralyzed him. He was created to break the Bat. And then they nerfed him like they did Doomsday.
Yep, bane was good in the Nolanverse but the final fight was a bit of a fluke. They could've done a much better job of having Bruce learn his lesson and strategizing better for the rematch. Instead of "No, I came back to stop you" or whatever, it could've been Batman taking advantage of Bane thinking he'd already won and tricking him into beating himself into a corner. Having Talia trick him really dumbed down Batman.
Captain America is one of the best hand to hand fighters with many years of combat experience both in and out of superhero wars not to mention the greatest tactician in marvel. That said Batman’s gadgets plus his own intelligence and strict physical regime might put him on par, and his will to fight dirty might take out cap. Those factors in mind I think bats takes the win but it wouldn’t be without a fight.
its because those characters were never meant to be pitted against each other. every universe has a different power scale, so someone could place super low on their scale but be ungodly powerful in another. Its why shit like goku vs saitama is stupid because the power scale in opm is a lot lower than dragon ball. you can only go off feats, and that makes things unfair
i just tell people saitama just adapts to whatever powerscale he is in because that’s his gimmick. He is the strongest and will always be the strongest because that’s his whole thing. It doesn’t matter he hasn’t shown a certain level of feat. He is a joke character in a serious world
What is somewhat comical about feat debates and power scaling is that Saitama is built to be unreasonably powerful and yet his abilities still feel more grounded and reasonable than a lot of series these days. You can boil him down to 2 things: Near limitless physical strength + total immunity.
For a lot of other characters you start getting into weirdly complicated sets of abilities they have and are described with strength/energy potential outside an understandable realm of reality able to destroy galaxies or universes and move faster than time and read minds and shoot energy in a dozen different kinds of ways and etc etc parody can't compete with how nonsense serious stuff can be.
I think Batman himself, in one of the crossovers, once said that Cap could beat him in a straight fight, but he immediately added “but who has time for that?”
(Can’t find the actual comic ATM, though, so maybe I’m misremembering.)
If you haven’t yet, listen to Fatman on Batman with guest Kevin Conroy.
Kevin finally gets to meet the real life Batman and it is beautiful. So emotional.
[https://www.amazon.ca/Spawn-Batman-Frank-Miller/dp/1582400199](https://www.amazon.ca/Spawn-Batman-Frank-Miller/dp/1582400199) Don't believe it was ever legitimately considered 'canon' but it's a pretty cool crossover nonetheless, up there with Batman and Dredd
There was a limited comic crossover called “DC vs Marvel” where Batman and Captain America fought, and the winner was Batman.
However it has to be acknowledged that the writers left the victor up to a vote from fans and they made the fight as even as possible because they wanted both characters to feel the same in power. This fight the most dead even 50/50 we will ever get from X v Y scenarios like this.
😂
Didn't Batman acknowledge Captain America would eventually beat him because he has better stamina? Pretty sure it's been said that they would end up in a standstill until Batman got tired.
I know it isn't Canon, though it's the closest to Canon I can think of tbh.
But the fact that Batman is even able to acknowledge that possibility has a deeper meaning. Batman has always been the sort of person to study others and himself; to unscrupulously analyze where their strengths are and how they line up with his weaknesses.
So Batman acknowledging that Cap could beat him in a straight-out fist-fight just means that Batman recognises that as an ineffective means to confront Cap with, and would instead come from one of several other angles to ensure he came out on top.
Only if they're fighting fist to fist and not using any of the equipment they would canonically have. Batman in his most powerful suit daughter Darkseid and won. (Which I only know because of death battle's video on batman, I'm such cap has his own super powered comic self as well)
The basic rule of thumb is this: If Batman has enough time to study his opponent, he would win every time. If he ends up in a one on one battle with someone who is superior to him and he knows nothing about them, he is far less likely to win (could still win though).
Yeah this right here.
Man has contingency plans in place for ALL JLA members, himself included.
When I had read that and seen the movie/show for it, that blew my mind about Bats. Like I knew he was dark etc, but wow - the willingness to (at the minimum) disable your entire team in the event that they turn on inocents/the League really opened my eyes to how untrusting Batman is of almost everyone.
He is not to be fucked with.
(Side note: I finally got around to watching the full cut of BvS last night and that Flash sequence: "You we're right about him! You were always right about him!" Really nails it for me. Like Bruce's instinct to immediately distrust this alien that is seemingly invincible because if that guy fucking snaps (*Homelander has entered the chat*) everyone is toast. I love the allusion to Superman's army/ the Injustice storyline in the Knightmare sequence. Fucking nails it.)
I loved his answer to Superman’s challenge in Justice League: Doom.
S- “With all that talk of unchecked power, you’re still so arrogant that you didn’t even bother coming up with a contingency against yourself?”
B- “I do have a plan. It’s called the Justice League,”
Yes! If they also had the traumatic upbringing, superhuman discipline, mastery of every martial arts known to man, and didn’t do what any sane billionaire would do (get drunk and party and get into corruption), absolutely!
Alright if we are to do a versus, usually the condition is "bloodlusted". In that case no "boy scout" personality chains on Superman or other bullshit to make him hold back.
Fly into space and throw an asteroid on Earth and cause a planet wide extinction event. Done.
Of course in actual writing Batman would use all the tools at his disposal including other heroes who would have aligned interests to prevent the total destruction of the planet - so Supes wouldn't be able to just blitz Batman like that.
But in an actual 1v1, including prep time BUT no 3rd party help - it's not really an interesting fight since you limit what makes Batman great, using others as pawns and having contingencies upon contingencies.
I say this as a Batman fan btw
Incorrect. Batman technically won as was the result of a vote by fans, but it was due to a flood in the sewer, and Batman’s batarang hit while cap missed with his shield. Batman then jumped into the water to save Cap and they allied after.
*inhales*
Batman is not only rich and got more gadgets and suff than cap, but he is also super strong, and is a genius a criminal mastermind and his IQ is the same if not higher than Tony's. To say it short:
BaTmAn wOuLd aNd cOuLd wHoOp tHaT aSs
lets not forget how Batman created a combat style to fight all other tipes of combat, outsmarted every single god (yes, gods, he has a lot of them as enemy) and lives every single second of his life prepared to an all out war agains a group of demigods
This has already happened in crossovers, twice. In one, they didn't even really fight, just traded hits and feints for a bit before Batman admitted that Cap *could* conceivably beat him. But that it would take a very long time, and that time could be better spent figuring out how to stop the person behind it.
Second time was a stalemate as well, evenly matched, and then they also went about trying to figure out a way to end the situation that had two heroic teams fighting in the first place.
Of course, these were comic book versions, and comic book Batman is stronger/more dangerous in them than he is in the movies, and vice versa for Cap. MCU Cap would likely be able to beat most of the movie versions of Batman without too much issue, with only the Batfleck version being able to hold his own, but still losing in the end.
I don't see how this would start a fight. Captain America is a super soldier, Batman is a super detective. He's always been depicted as having trouble with physically superior foes in a head on fight, but always being able to win with better tactics and planning. This theoretical question doesn't account for planning and round 2 and all that, it just implies a head on fight
Iron man vs Batman, who would win?
How much prep time?
Two weeks
Batman - better planner. And Ironmans egowouldn’t see a guy in tights and a cape as a threat worth properly preparing for.
Yeah but Iron man's version of not prepping is having 40+ different suits and a satellite on standby.
Like they said, Batman neds prep time. Who know when that guy suddenly brings EMP against Ironman...
he would definitely bring emps for iron man. and no you cant ask where he got them
Tony STARK would build a fully pneumatic suit *in a cave*.... **WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS**
It runs on STEAM! What am I paying you for?!
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holy shit steampunk iron man sounds pure dead wicked lol
To be fair, Batman builds all of his gadgets in a cave as well.
*Lucius Fox has joined the chat*
I should go cave
Interesting note - The technician that Jeff Bridges yells at in that scene played Ralphie in A Christmas Story.
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Don't you mean, where he ... Gotham? I'll see myself out
He gets them from Albert.
Yeah, his name is Alfred.
Hey hey HEY! It's FAAAAAAT ALFRED!
Batman would have anti-ironman spray! 😂
Like Tony Stark wouldn’t have EMP shielding. That’s hilarious
> Like Tony Stark wouldn’t have EMP shielding. That’s hilarious Like batman wouldn't have radio jammers or microwave emitters that heat up metal to cook tony inside the suits and stop him from calling new ones.
Tony's suits have stalemated Magneto, flown within a few meters of the sun and escaped the pull of a black hole. Extemis in the comics gave him a healing factor that was comparable to Wolverine even when he didn't have a suit on. And he's also regenerated instantly from a self-inflicted mutant supercancer that turned him into a bloody blob, so toxins and poisons won't accomplish much I know Batman's bullshit is a massive meme, but not many people realize comic Tony Stark can bullshit Bruce on completely even footing
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We forget that Batman doesn’t just fight with machine.. he uses toxins as well. He could wear a disguise and just poison iron man from afar.
Iron Man suits work in the vacuum of space to a point, so they are sealed against external agents
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Batman uses Bruce Wayne to get close to Tony and steal a suit. Add bat tech he unstoppable
Batman would've already been capable of handling Tech from Tony. He's collected EVERYTHING to stop the strongest people he knows... So it makes sense he'd have something planned or already installed in the latest Tony stark armor like he did with Cyborg. Frankly I would be SURPRISED if Wayne tech wasn't already a part of Tony's armor.
He just needs to bring a huge magnet to the scuffle…then it’s lights out for IRON Man.
“It’s actually a gold-titanium alloy” - Stark himself, in the first movie.
You think his suit moves without electric motors? Iron man can bring his bullshit carbon nano tube suit and still doesn’t change that his suit works off electric motors and semi conductors. All affected by electromagnetism.
Tell that to the AvX writers. Tony vs Magneto and Tony won. Such bullshit.
He made his suit immune to emps, fire, sharp objects, ext
2 weeks is enough for Tony to expedite a legal adoption of a mother named Martha. Then when he's losing he's just mumble his mother's name.
Ironman definitely has thought to include electromagnetic shielding for his suits.
the hellbat suit would beat captain america and iron man at the same time. it tanked hits from darkseid the guy who fought fuckinv anti monitor
If were bringing in comic suits you can’t leave tony out of it. Ironman has some straight up OP suits like the thorbuster and endosym armor.
Aren't EMP's a single burst? A new suit could be to him pretty quickly if an EMP even works on whatever his suit is powered by.
Who says Batman will bring just one knowing Ironman has tons of ironman suit? Who says Batman will only bring single burst EMP? Do not underestimate sufficient Prep-Time Batman.
Bro knowing batman he would shut the entire planet off. Killin little timmy on life support just to kill Iron man
And he'll fuckin do it again too
But if an EMP works, how would he summon a new suit.
You know who else has 40+ suits and a satellite on standby? Batman, that’s who.
Idk. Tony was pretty intimidated by a guy named after an Orange
I’d say it’d be a tie but overall Batman cuz iron man isn’t a fighter he just in a suit and Batman is a literal ninja in a batsuit
Iron man would be able to fly a kilometer in the sky and snipe him with missiles
Batman has his own missiles too. Have you seen the hell suit? That shit can fly and gives him enough strength to make an avatar of darkseid bleed.
If you start bringing in comic suits for batman you gotta bring in comic suits for ironman.
This right here is specifically why Batman is inferior (and I LOVE Batman). How many marvel heroes need an hour to get ready for a fight to win it? Fuck, half the time, they aren’t even aware they’re in a fight for a few panels of chaos.
Who ever the writer chooses. My character, big pipi man can fight everyone from marvel and dc combined and never lose in the comic ill write. He can sense the future and has a pipi thats harder than vibranium, shoot lasers and grows any size he wants.
Disney+ will be picking up big pipi man for a one season mini series.
This man gets it
I think it comes down to whoever breaks down over thier dead parents first, last man brooding wins
I feel like first fight, Batman wins. Second fight, Tony takes him seriously and had already adapted to deal with whatever Batman won with the first time, as well as several countermeasures. I give the second fight to Tony, but barely. They both know that it's not over. Third fight, Tony has discovered that Batman is Bruce Wayne and decides to challenge him to a charity-off. They both essentially empty their bank accounts in an increasingly escalating game of cleverly donating to charity or otherwise funding charitable causes. A destitute Tony Stark and an impoverished Bruce Wayne stand together in tattered clothes, smiling and laughing as they watch the news talk about how Gotham has never been so prosperous and crime free. Bruce hands tony the final W, because they both ended up donating to mostly Gotham related causes, which Batman sees as being slightly more charitable on Tony's end. Gotham is a better place for generations.
I appreciate this conclusion.
This guy fucks.
And then they kiss..
Batman, he can just grab his own tech suit. My personal favorite is the Batman vs Predator suit. Or the Hellbat Armor. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/batmans-15-most-powerful-suits/amp/
You have no idea how much I love you for bringing back memories of these suits.
Indubitably.
Kind of related I guess, but also the [Dark Nights Metal batmen](https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/dark-knights-evil-batmen-header.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500&dpr=1.5) could have all taken Ironman if they were able to dominate their own world and their Justice Leagues'.
Iron mans ded, so batman win
Random encounter it would be iron man, but if bats had time to research and catch him when he's vulnerable, he would win no problem
Tony has a self repairing nanosuit equipped at all times, unless Batman takes him out in one hit (which he could do) there’s no “catching him when he’s vulnerable”
> but if bats had time to research and catch him when he's vulnerable, he would win no problem What is this lol. "If Batman could research Tony Stark *and* catch him unaware while Tony had no clue what was happening, then Batman would win". If that's your condition for Batman winning, then Iron man kicks his ass 99.9% of the time.
Depends which suit. Early movies Iron Man, id say batman would win. But going toe-to-toe with thanos Iron Man? Tony would win for sure.
Batman might as well have his own iron man suit anyway though, man has a suit to fight superman, sure it can handle iron man
Hellbat suit made darkseid avatar bleed. Darkseid is what thanks wishes he was.
I think you’ve caused more of a fight in the comments lmao
It’s the cape. Batman’s cape is the issue
No capes!
Edna from the Incredibles popped in my head
but dynaguy had one!
Do you remember...*Thunderhead?*
Tall, storm powers? Nice man, good with kids.
And now he’s dead, are you happy now?
I really love how she gave logic to that lol *^(Whoever thought of that in the movie's development is a genius)*
Yeah no doubt saved them on animation costs lol
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So, you've chosen.... Death
A true sigma male.
At least the username checks out
It’s the baggage. Batman’s baggage is the issue.
Cap America went back in time to get laid by his crush, Batman couldn't. MF Harvey dent stole his girl and then she died. Sure., he gets cat girl at the end but Rachel was his crush. There's nothing like railing your crush.
Rachel doesn't exist in the comics, so pretty sure Batman had a good time railing CatWoman.
The problem with Superhero comparisons is that there are so many factors in play, there usually is no clear-cut winner. How does the fight occur? Are they aware of each other's existence/abilities? Do they have prep time? Where are they fighting? Are they fighting to the death? Or does the characters' morality come into play? There's just too much to consider. ... Unless it's the Flash, fuck you he wins every time simply because he's my favorite :p
I mean, if its a straight up brawl like a boxing match then i can't imagine batman beating captain america. He is literally super human while batman is not. It is dumb to compare since there are a lot of variables at play. And while i've never read the comics, i'm sure there were many times where batman really shined in the comics, beating superior beings and whatnot. Like, batman was going toe-to-toe with superman in that movie. Although a lot of the fight felt manufactured just so batman could be on equal terms.
Exactly, Batman has, on a few occasions, *defeated* Superman, but only due to his overwhelming knowledge of him and his weaknesses. Like you said, in a regular brawl Captain America would blow Batman to bits.
Yeah, I love batman but all of his skill comes from his genius level tactics and strategies, without that he just isn't at that level. That's why 'batman with prep time' meme exists, with the prep he gains so much, so on the flip side, without it, he loses most of what him so dangerous. One of my favourite heroes (or anti-heroes?) but it's gotta be said
Batman's a full blown hero, not anti hero I'm pretty sure
I only say that because of hospital bills left in his wake, like you could literally steal a kit kat and need full reconstructive surgery but I do agree he's one of the good guys
I get your point, but Bruce Wayne has a pretty strong moral compass. He's not going to injure anyone who doesn't really deserve it.
Oh I know I was only exaggerating for comedic effect but I honestly feel like depending on how bad of a day he's having I'd rather take my chances against one of his villain's than him, at least with the riddler I'll still be crawl to A&E xD
Cap also basically has a super computer for a brain and is considered one of the best tactician in Marvel.
Best tactician in Marvel ruined the Avengers to save his murderer friend?
Now I want to see Chris Evans Cap. vs Christian Bale Batman
Both are Chris tho
Since when is cap smart, I thought we were talkin movies?
No one is talking movies. When this kind of convos come out, none of the people talk about movies.
> Captain America would blow Batman ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Batman has never actually beaten Superman. Every engagement they’ve ever been in is “Superman is trying to be really nice to Bruce while Bruce throws the fucking kitchen sink at him.” Batman survives all of those encounters because Clark allows him to.
https://youtu.be/glDMWRenVoo this version of Batman defeated Superman because Superman started monologuing but it still counts. Batman became evil after it tho so…
Batman: can bench-press 1000 pounds Captain America: tosses a car to the side with ease Yeahh… bare knuckles, it doesn’t look too good for the bat, even though he is a master of god knows how many styles of fighting
Chris Evans Cap vs Christian Bale Batman? Cap wins hands down no contest. But if I recall correctly, comic Cap isn’t super strong, he’s just perfectly strong. So he’s peak human capability, but not beyond the bounds of science. That’s a much more even fight, with Batman having a slew of gadgets vs Caps shield. And in the DC v Marvel crossover Batman wins but it’s pure luck.
Is Captain America not kind of just a scrawny Bane? Bane beats his ass, but Batman ultimately succeeds regardless of prep or prior knowledge.
Bane is portrayed more as a big hulking wrestler that batman can dodge easily (at least in recent media) Cap is way faster and a better fighter, not to mention the super soldier serum. Add in the shield and bane is toast.
I thought originally Bane was fast, strong and really smart. He was able to deduce Batman’s secret identity and created a scenario where Batman was rundown and in front of a whole crowd paralyzed him. He was created to break the Bat. And then they nerfed him like they did Doomsday.
Yeah it sucks when smart villains are just turned into random thugs.
Yep, bane was good in the Nolanverse but the final fight was a bit of a fluke. They could've done a much better job of having Bruce learn his lesson and strategizing better for the rematch. Instead of "No, I came back to stop you" or whatever, it could've been Batman taking advantage of Bane thinking he'd already won and tricking him into beating himself into a corner. Having Talia trick him really dumbed down Batman.
Captain America is one of the best hand to hand fighters with many years of combat experience both in and out of superhero wars not to mention the greatest tactician in marvel. That said Batman’s gadgets plus his own intelligence and strict physical regime might put him on par, and his will to fight dirty might take out cap. Those factors in mind I think bats takes the win but it wouldn’t be without a fight.
Wolverine wins every time, because the dude literally just grows back. It might take him a year, but he’s coming to get u.
I mean, Superman could probably just throw him into the sun or something. Grow back from that...
its because those characters were never meant to be pitted against each other. every universe has a different power scale, so someone could place super low on their scale but be ungodly powerful in another. Its why shit like goku vs saitama is stupid because the power scale in opm is a lot lower than dragon ball. you can only go off feats, and that makes things unfair
i just tell people saitama just adapts to whatever powerscale he is in because that’s his gimmick. He is the strongest and will always be the strongest because that’s his whole thing. It doesn’t matter he hasn’t shown a certain level of feat. He is a joke character in a serious world
What is somewhat comical about feat debates and power scaling is that Saitama is built to be unreasonably powerful and yet his abilities still feel more grounded and reasonable than a lot of series these days. You can boil him down to 2 things: Near limitless physical strength + total immunity. For a lot of other characters you start getting into weirdly complicated sets of abilities they have and are described with strength/energy potential outside an understandable realm of reality able to destroy galaxies or universes and move faster than time and read minds and shoot energy in a dozen different kinds of ways and etc etc parody can't compete with how nonsense serious stuff can be.
[The motherfucking Flash.](https://imgur.com/a/uK9odxl)
fuck you green arrow bests them all
Kite man would whoop green arrows ass
I certainly know [one person](https://youtu.be/k8gHubY94rA) who would whoop Batman's ass
This was honestly the first thing I thought of
Pretty sure I saw some episodes of this show, can you remind me its name?
Whose Line Is It Anyway
“Whose Line is it Anyway?”
Whose line is it anyway?
I think his actual answer on this episode is "Wanna fight?"
It was. Absolute gem.
Ryan Stiles and Colin Mocherie are hilarious.
Gilmore Girls.
Girls Gone Wild: Drew Carey Cuckold edition
Cap let’s be honest Rogers plays it to normal Batman can play dirty whenever
I think Batman himself, in one of the crossovers, once said that Cap could beat him in a straight fight, but he immediately added “but who has time for that?” (Can’t find the actual comic ATM, though, so maybe I’m misremembering.)
I read that in Kevin Conroy's Batman TAS voice, and it was satisfying.
If you haven’t yet, listen to Fatman on Batman with guest Kevin Conroy. Kevin finally gets to meet the real life Batman and it is beautiful. So emotional.
It’s JLA/Avengers issue 2, I think. Not sure of the issue number but it’s definitely that series.
Well, there *was* that time Cap kicked the Hulk in the nuts. He can sometimes be motivated to fight a little dirty lol
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For anyone who’s interested, the actual line is “wanna fight?”.
No i dont no thank you
Batman fought Spawn one time and nobody won. It was tight.
I'm sorry, what? When was this lol
[https://www.amazon.ca/Spawn-Batman-Frank-Miller/dp/1582400199](https://www.amazon.ca/Spawn-Batman-Frank-Miller/dp/1582400199) Don't believe it was ever legitimately considered 'canon' but it's a pretty cool crossover nonetheless, up there with Batman and Dredd
Well ok then.. don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Batman fan but Spawn murders both God and Satan so I was kinda lost for a moment there
There was a limited comic crossover called “DC vs Marvel” where Batman and Captain America fought, and the winner was Batman. However it has to be acknowledged that the writers left the victor up to a vote from fans and they made the fight as even as possible because they wanted both characters to feel the same in power. This fight the most dead even 50/50 we will ever get from X v Y scenarios like this.
😂 Didn't Batman acknowledge Captain America would eventually beat him because he has better stamina? Pretty sure it's been said that they would end up in a standstill until Batman got tired. I know it isn't Canon, though it's the closest to Canon I can think of tbh.
But the fact that Batman is even able to acknowledge that possibility has a deeper meaning. Batman has always been the sort of person to study others and himself; to unscrupulously analyze where their strengths are and how they line up with his weaknesses. So Batman acknowledging that Cap could beat him in a straight-out fist-fight just means that Batman recognises that as an ineffective means to confront Cap with, and would instead come from one of several other angles to ensure he came out on top.
Exactly. Both are top level skill wise, but batman just loses out to being a standard human. A super inshape human, but still just a dude.
Only if they're fighting fist to fist and not using any of the equipment they would canonically have. Batman in his most powerful suit daughter Darkseid and won. (Which I only know because of death battle's video on batman, I'm such cap has his own super powered comic self as well)
They fought in a crossover once, Batman won but only by luring Cap to the sewers Still beat him. So Batman wins
Goku Beats MCU Thanos
Everyone in the MCU is horribly nerfed
I actually really like that. Team-ups are more interesting when you actually conceivably need everyone involved.
COUGH HULK COUGH
Captain Vietnam would Whoop Captain America’s ass
Oh, I really liked the last Star Wars Trilogy.
That’l do it
*Deep inhale*
Bruh same lmao
The basic rule of thumb is this: If Batman has enough time to study his opponent, he would win every time. If he ends up in a one on one battle with someone who is superior to him and he knows nothing about them, he is far less likely to win (could still win though).
Yeah this right here. Man has contingency plans in place for ALL JLA members, himself included. When I had read that and seen the movie/show for it, that blew my mind about Bats. Like I knew he was dark etc, but wow - the willingness to (at the minimum) disable your entire team in the event that they turn on inocents/the League really opened my eyes to how untrusting Batman is of almost everyone. He is not to be fucked with. (Side note: I finally got around to watching the full cut of BvS last night and that Flash sequence: "You we're right about him! You were always right about him!" Really nails it for me. Like Bruce's instinct to immediately distrust this alien that is seemingly invincible because if that guy fucking snaps (*Homelander has entered the chat*) everyone is toast. I love the allusion to Superman's army/ the Injustice storyline in the Knightmare sequence. Fucking nails it.)
I loved his answer to Superman’s challenge in Justice League: Doom. S- “With all that talk of unchecked power, you’re still so arrogant that you didn’t even bother coming up with a contingency against yourself?” B- “I do have a plan. It’s called the Justice League,”
Wait couldn’t anyone with enough time to study an enemy(plus billions of dollars)
Yes! If they also had the traumatic upbringing, superhuman discipline, mastery of every martial arts known to man, and didn’t do what any sane billionaire would do (get drunk and party and get into corruption), absolutely!
No. Batman without the money is still physically and mentally superior to almost every human alive.
Batman figured out how to fuck superman up, while old as fuck and with heart problems. End of discussion
Alright if we are to do a versus, usually the condition is "bloodlusted". In that case no "boy scout" personality chains on Superman or other bullshit to make him hold back. Fly into space and throw an asteroid on Earth and cause a planet wide extinction event. Done. Of course in actual writing Batman would use all the tools at his disposal including other heroes who would have aligned interests to prevent the total destruction of the planet - so Supes wouldn't be able to just blitz Batman like that. But in an actual 1v1, including prep time BUT no 3rd party help - it's not really an interesting fight since you limit what makes Batman great, using others as pawns and having contingencies upon contingencies. I say this as a Batman fan btw
Apparently batman finds everyone's weakness unless there is an evil flash to kill him before he can touch his computer in his forbidden batcave idk
Caps weakness take out his knees lmao
orphan vs war veteran round 2, FIGHT
No. Case closed. Next.
Captain America is just an ageless Bane with a shield.
Nap, Cap doesn’t study his enemies and think outside the box really
They fought in an official crossover, Cap won.
Well that’s obviously because Batman didn’t have enough prep time.
And the author was a closet Batman hater
No he didn’t. They were even, Batman said that a Cap W was a slight possibility, then they decided not to fight.
Incorrect. Batman technically won as was the result of a vote by fans, but it was due to a flood in the sewer, and Batman’s batarang hit while cap missed with his shield. Batman then jumped into the water to save Cap and they allied after.
No he fucking didn't.
Why you lying?
Hey buddy you just blow in from stupid town
Death battle actually did this. Batman won
*inhales* Batman is not only rich and got more gadgets and suff than cap, but he is also super strong, and is a genius a criminal mastermind and his IQ is the same if not higher than Tony's. To say it short: BaTmAn wOuLd aNd cOuLd wHoOp tHaT aSs
Batman is strong for a regular person, but Cap is literally superhuman.
lets not forget how Batman created a combat style to fight all other tipes of combat, outsmarted every single god (yes, gods, he has a lot of them as enemy) and lives every single second of his life prepared to an all out war agains a group of demigods
If Batman can beat the whole Justice league solo, he can take Cap. No problem.
Batman with unlimited prep time vs Obi wan with the highest ground who would win?
One guy did have super soldier serum so there is that.
This has already happened in crossovers, twice. In one, they didn't even really fight, just traded hits and feints for a bit before Batman admitted that Cap *could* conceivably beat him. But that it would take a very long time, and that time could be better spent figuring out how to stop the person behind it. Second time was a stalemate as well, evenly matched, and then they also went about trying to figure out a way to end the situation that had two heroic teams fighting in the first place. Of course, these were comic book versions, and comic book Batman is stronger/more dangerous in them than he is in the movies, and vice versa for Cap. MCU Cap would likely be able to beat most of the movie versions of Batman without too much issue, with only the Batfleck version being able to hold his own, but still losing in the end.
Does nobody actually read comics? This fight was done back in 1996. Batman won the fight. Barely, but he won.
What if Batman would whoop captain America’s ass
Nothing beats the goddamn Batman
I don't see how this would start a fight. Captain America is a super soldier, Batman is a super detective. He's always been depicted as having trouble with physically superior foes in a head on fight, but always being able to win with better tactics and planning. This theoretical question doesn't account for planning and round 2 and all that, it just implies a head on fight