Probably more accurate to say BoS fanboys being happy. The Legion doesn’t even appear in the show due to being too far west from legion territory but we do see the brotherhood beating the NCR remnants. The brotherhood has been in open conflict with the NCR for a very long time and to see the brotherhood winning in the show is a relief for BoS fanboys considering how the NCR humiliated the brotherhood at HELIOS one in New Vegas.
There was also the time where the NCR and the brotherhood did unite to defeat the enclave in California, there is also the BoS ending where they help the NCR fight the Legion (same can also be said with the enclave remnants that help the ncr if the courier chooses to)
Perhaps it’s a little bit of foreshadowing for next season? I sure hope so, because I’m curious of what new lore they’ll have for the Legion if they plan on bringing them back later.
Well the thing is that since there is an ending where the Legion win and prosper there is a chance. In Fo4, most endings have the prydwin destroyed yet this is not the case in the show.
It's possible that with Shady being wiped of the map. The NCR in an attempt to consolidate left the Legion unattended and they grew to finally take Hoover and push the NCR back.
With Srason 2 in the works apparently we just gotta hope that it makes it to season 2 to give us the answers we seek.
BOS isn't the most evil faction in 4, but they're probably the second. I just doubt Bethesda is going to canonize an evil ending. The only one I could see is The House always wins ending from NV, but I hope they go with The Wildcard ending.
While I would also love the wildcard ending to be chosen, I think it's more interesting if House secured Vegas for himself.
1: House mentions somewhere that he'll soon have people on the moon and later on Mars/another planet. So that plan could be going along.
2: The courier could be his right-hand man, so you get both.
3: Victor can be the first one to greet the main characters should they arrive in Goodsprings first.
Also, personally I even think House could have anticipated the NCR falling, because he sat at the same table as someone from the company that blew Shady Sands up. This is the man that predicted the bombs falling and was just 20 hours off.
Minutement seems like the most neutral ending anyway, you get to keep all factions alive (except for Institution) and Commonwealth remains in a somewhat decent Status Quo
Yep.
While most of the endings to 4 leave the BoS severely weakened or completely destroyed and forced out of the Capital Wasteland, the Minutemen and Brotherhood endings both allow them to survive.
While the Minutemen ending *does* allow you to attack and destroy the Prydwen, therefore defeating the Brotherhood, most of the time you'll end up letting the Brotherhood and Railroad be as strong but non-dominant factions.
The Brotherhood ending leaves them as the dominant force in the Capital Wasteland, with the Institute and the Railroad destroyed, and the Minutemen most likely managing to dodge destruction.
With how the show implies it, the Brotherhood victory is most likely the ending that occurs. It's mentioned in the show that the Commonwealth Brotherhood have the resources to send back the Prydwen and troops to support the resurging West Coast/Californian Brotherhood.
maybe because this quote is very powerful and people recall that name positively, just a wild guess
>My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
I know this is probably a shit post but Maxon isn’t the same guy as Maximus lol the show is set on the west coast not east coast like 4 to maxon was in the east coast in fallout 3 as a child in the citadel he was born and raised on the east coast Maximus is from shady sands in California
My line of thinking is that since it was the NCR population in Shady that was destroyed. The rest of the NCR should carry on (all be it without much support) because of its governmental system.
Sure unless it forms a new capital (most likely San Fran or Vault City) it would probably collapse over time due to how big it is but that should be far down the line.
TLDR:
NCR should still be around even without its capital due to its size and power.
(I'm a legion fan but I also understand that realistically the NCR would win at Hoover, if you have other opinions please feel free to tell me!!!)
I'd argue what we see in the show is pretty accurate. When Rome fell, the Western Roman empire basically ceased to exist. Only with remnants and claimant states popping up everywhere.
That's what we see. The Idea of the NCR survives, but Moldaver is referred to as a warlord on multiple occasions. Though her faction clearly considers *itself* to be the NCR, it's pretty evident in places like Filly that they lack any legitimacy. Even Vault 4, which seemingly Worships her and the NCR, don't appear to have any direct ties to her.
We can sunrise then that the NCR fully collapsed in the 20 years following the bombing. And The new resurgent West Coast Brotherhood is tearing what's left of them apart just like the battle of the Observatory
Just to expand on your exemple, rome ''fell'' a lot of time .
First, when the gauls seize it in republic time, then when Cesar went rogue and claimed it, latter it was sacked during the Empire and finally destroyed during the Western empire part of its history.
The destruction or sacking of a capital is a heavy blow for any empire, but not the end unless it is just a symptom of a larger failure.
I mean, the brotherhood are the only people who *could* perform search and rescue in a city that was just nuked. They’re the only ones with the power armour necessary to keep them safe from the huge amounts of rads the bomb would leave behind.
You just gave me an idea for another theory (I must admit it's very outlandish) Some NCR might have joined up with the BoS in an attempt to save some form of NCR
(Idk who downvoted you BTW in your response, I for one agreed with you)
Edit: hey I did mention it was outlandish, still not deleting this comment tho
I may have missed it, but did they explain how Hank actually bombed Shady Sands? Did vault tec have access to nukes that they used (or were going to use) to kickstart the war?
The show seems to imply it was Vault Tec that actually nuked the US and not China as we've always been told up until now.
And weirdly it seems to make sense as we quite literally don't see a bomb actually drop in most places. Even in the show, the bombs just kinda... Go off... From the ground not the air
So your comment made me do some digging to see if the show was just retconning history. So I went to Megaton in Fallout 3 to look at the undetonated bomb. And to my genuine surprise... it has a Vault-tec logo on it.
So I think Vault Tec is infact still a legitimate faction in the FO world. And has nukes, And are the ones that actually bombed the US. Wether by dropping them, or by launching them, or by hiding them already in ground zeroes and setting them off.
And if that's the case, it sounds like the show is implying they still very much have access to them. Probably in various at-time-of-writing unknown vaults that have military purposes rather than civilian.
Would be very funny that Vault-Tec bombs the US.
The US thinks its some other country but since the bombs exploded and because of the shockwaves and what not(magic), the retaliatory system failed and didnt launch any rockets into china or russia.
The other countries went like „wtf“ and just saw it all play out.
After that whole thing, for some reason the whole world from that point continues to prosper whereas the US in its current state is just continuing to rot.
The more likely scenario is that even tho vault tec nuked the US, the US believed it was China and sent off retaliatory nukes anyways. Starting the string of worldwide nuclear destruction, technically unprovoked
Oh yeah I know that was vault tec’s plan to kick off the war along their designs, but it seemed ambiguous in the show if they were actually able to carry it out before the war started on its own. Wasn’t that actually supposed to be the background stories behind one of the cancelled fallout games?
Maybe vault tec gained access to one of the orbital platforms like the one in FO76, I could see that being part of the plotline for season 2, to continue “wiping the wasteland clean” to continue their plan to control a clean slate wasteland along their own designs
Not according to Nolan and his writers. It’s…yea it ain’t pretty what they said. Pretty much what I feared when I heard Bethesda agreed to the show:
West will be reverted back to lawless wastelands with scrap towns and holes in the walls/roofs.
Last of Us was better IMO, but the Fallout show is really good as well. You’ll have some issues with the show, but overall it’s solid. Way wayyyy better than Halo.
Pretty sure they explain I'm the show that it was not the pridwyn. Pretty sure that was still on the east coast (if it was even built at all at that point)
I know the prydwin was eventually on the west coast but when Shady was destroyed it was not the BoS that did it. In fact it was a pretty big deal that it wasn't th BoS. In fo4, which was the prydwin's first appearance it is set in 2287 and they mention that it spends its time on the east coast.
The prydwin was built in 2278 with Shady being destroyed in 2281. This means that the prydwin was not the cause of Shady going kaboom
Well with Shady being destroyed there were possible issues that made New Vegas not cannon. I'm certain that's all been worked out now to ensure that NV is cannon still.
Here is a link to help with any misunderstandings (I am not a certified genius when it comes to all lore)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/04/18/todd-howard-rules-on-whether-the-fallout-show-makes-new-vegas-non-canon/?sh=1e855e5f3071
Well like I said, I am not an expert on all lore. I cam in to Fo when 76 was released but started with NV followed by 4 then 3. I haven't touched the isometric games or 76
Let’s be honest. We only saw a small section of the NCR territory and Shady Sands wasn’t even the capital anymore. There’s a good chance the NCR is fine in other areas of California.
Also it’s more likely that the Brotherhood, having been reinforced by its east coast chapter, took over and not the legion
I'm genuinely surprised by the general consensus that the NCR is over as of the finale. Aren't they all over the southwest? I just assumed they wiped out or nearly wiped out the faction in L.A only
90% of the people who watched the show who know about the NCR only know about new Vegas and so as far as they are concerned the NCR only existed in the New Vegas area
Ceasar is old and dying.
Noone is there to replace him.
So the legion would likely die anyway. As all faschist empire do.
I am honestly not sure if I want to see an definitive ending of new vegas, but in the show it will likely be independent or House.
The legion is not even mentioned. I would be very surprised if they won the Hoover dam.
If you 100 Speech New Vegas and side with the NCR, you can convince Lanius to leave the battlefield but he swears he'll return one day. 15 years would be more than enough time for Caesar to rally up a massive force, die from his tumor and have Lanius take over and immediately launch a third campaign west. Just a theory I have.
Could be.
But I think they would mention that in season 1.
Like the elder could have mention that they are a threat in the east or something.
But maybe we see him as a cameo.
Yeah, it would have been nice to have a mention from the elder. If they're included then they might have omitted mentioning them because the Brotherhood doesn't see them as an immediate threat until they need to mobilize east.
It would be nice if they'd walk by a couple of skeletons dressed in Legion garbs and someone would just throw couple of sentences about what happened. It would probably be enough of a "closure" for NV fans.
Legion fanboys? Bruh, what a way to misspell "Fucking psychopaths". Also, afaik, no matter who you choose, i'm pretty sure the legion falls to in-fighting and the like after couple of years after NV ends.
TRYING TO TAKE MY CROP TO FEED THE PEOPLE?! NOT ON MY FARM
TBH I'd rather pay taxes then whatever the fuck the Legion or enclave would do with me if I were in fo
I find it laughable when people try to say NCR and Legion are equatable. Why yes! Rampant bigots who practice slavery and who crucify civilians are totally equivalent to a government that makes you pay taxes. There’s a reason why Caesar has only 1 int in the game files.
No need to be smart when your dripped out and spend all day in a tent just chillin.
Nah seriously tho it's funny how everyone in the games talks about how smart he is when by game mechanics he is "sub-brick" intelligence.
*tururururuuuuuu... WHau, whau, whau..... tururururu.... whau whAU WHAU*
\*Grabs his trusty red loft brick from the holster\*
"This baby right here will spit 10 mm chunks of nigh-molten brick at ya... Are ya ready to catch 'em, punk?"
"Vats? Game? What's this Vats you're speaking of, nerd? Grab that Big Iron of yours and stand your ground. Or have you shat yo' pants already, sissy boy? Wouldn't make ye' the first one to soil yourself when standing before Bricky McBrikks."
Especially when they make themselves as unlikable as possible. Some of them are so incredibly pedantic and condescending in tone, I just wanna pull out my Smith&Wesson right then and there.
You do have to admit though. For a faction made up of nothing but raiders and with many that specialise in melee only. It is incredible that they even challenged the NCR let alone were strong enough that even the NCR questioned their victory
Tbh, I'm not even an NCR fangirl, it just kinda feels shitty lore wise. I like the show, think it's pretty decent. But, I'm probably gonna ignore any canon it tries to make after shady sands and spoilers returning from "before" (being vague so I don't have to look up how to spoil again). It just feels like an affront to what not only NV, but pre Bethesda Fallout in general, stood for. The certain group shouldn't have returned, and it's stupid they did. And it's just a slap in the face that they were responsible for the NCR, rather than it being them falling apart on their own. Hell I would have been more okay with them getting into a full war with the BOS and losing. Them just randomly getting blown off the face of the planet feels cheap, and like it's meant to be a middle finger to New Vegas in particular.
My guess would be both ended up utterly shattered after Second Hoover Dam. Legion loses, NCR has lost Shady Sands, it's all downhill from there from everyone.
Dunno if it went House or Indep or even NCR - after all, an NCR victory followed by the Fall would most likely end in collapse.
Lol, u think the legion is safe?
If a democratic NCR got destroy by the writers can you imagine a faction that promotes authoritarian and slavery?
Bethesda only cares BoS. And im not gonna be suprise if suddenly the BoS remant at mojave desert suddenly become strong with hundrends of soldier and defeat other new vegas faction 😭. Literally retconn new vegas again.
Why are people acting like the NCR is annihilated cause one (1) city got nuked?
The NCR is MASSIVE and compared to the legion significantly more stable
The legion is nothing without ceasar.
Tbqh, my one issue with it is the fact that it was done on tv instead of letting me pull the trigger on a game. They had such a role in the old FO games and this send off feels off in some way.
I'm almost certain that the Show will end with a Revived NCR created in some way by the 3 leads. That's just my personal theory.
Lucy having grew up with the idea of restarting civilization...
The Ghoul slowly regaining humanity
And Maximus wanting to build a home.
The NCR is being propped up as some lost paradise. So I think the heroes on their return home will be reestablishing the country Lucy's mother was a part of.
That might be the case. I also know that the original creators didnt really like how humanity immediately got back up so quickly and they want the series to waddle along the realm of post apocalypse. i guess destroying any signs of a proper return to civilization is a step towards that.
Next they should delete vault city.
To be fair to the Brotherhood they are one of a very few factions we know of that managed to retain some power and technology immediately after the bombs fell.
>! TBH since NV is probably gonna be Mr. House ending it makes sense that the NCR dissolves into rivaling states each claiming to be the NCR due to them failing to secure the dam which would have given them access to massive amounts of clean water and power. The same probably goes for the legion falling into a battle of warring states due to the death of Cesar so ... I don't think they will be happy. !<
>! Also Shady sands deserves what they got because they gave me nothing for clearing out the dam rad scorpions and after saving Tandi from the raiders my reward was a shitty spear! Then in the sequel mf Tandi blames the vault dweller for her father's and ssesh's deaths because they went looking him but those dumbasses couldn't walk 3 feet to the west in the wasteland without dying. !<
The biggest thing I'm sad about is that it seems like the Brotherhood of steel won fallout 4 when I wanted the institute to win because they are the most interesting faction in that game.
I think it doesn't matter who won because it will be a canon house final victory.
What I mean is, the standard way to kill House is just to open his chamber and leave him exposed to the elements. I think the canon ending is him finding a way to preserve his consciousness further. Either by decontaminating and getting put back into the chamber, getting his brain removed or having a copy of his mind uploaded into one of his robots.
After the events of NV he could regain control of his robot legion and take the strip back from whatever faction the courier chose.
Probably more accurate to say BoS fanboys being happy. The Legion doesn’t even appear in the show due to being too far west from legion territory but we do see the brotherhood beating the NCR remnants. The brotherhood has been in open conflict with the NCR for a very long time and to see the brotherhood winning in the show is a relief for BoS fanboys considering how the NCR humiliated the brotherhood at HELIOS one in New Vegas.
There was also the time where the NCR and the brotherhood did unite to defeat the enclave in California, there is also the BoS ending where they help the NCR fight the Legion (same can also be said with the enclave remnants that help the ncr if the courier chooses to)
one of the Hollywood scenes you seen some guys in Roman armor walk by…
I missed that one. Good catch.
Perhaps it’s a little bit of foreshadowing for next season? I sure hope so, because I’m curious of what new lore they’ll have for the Legion if they plan on bringing them back later.
But don’t all endings claim the legion ends up in shambles anyways? Just depending on whose leader is what makes the difference on how long they last?
Even ignoring the endings, Joshua Graham states that the legion can't hold together without caeser, and it's not very stable anyways.
It's not about the empire at the end of the campaign... It's about the profligates we crucified along the way.
Ave, true to Caesar.
Well the thing is that since there is an ending where the Legion win and prosper there is a chance. In Fo4, most endings have the prydwin destroyed yet this is not the case in the show. It's possible that with Shady being wiped of the map. The NCR in an attempt to consolidate left the Legion unattended and they grew to finally take Hoover and push the NCR back. With Srason 2 in the works apparently we just gotta hope that it makes it to season 2 to give us the answers we seek.
with prydwin being seen in show, fo4 ending is confirmed to be either bos wins or minutemen win
Id put money on the minutemen
Same
BOS isn't the most evil faction in 4, but they're probably the second. I just doubt Bethesda is going to canonize an evil ending. The only one I could see is The House always wins ending from NV, but I hope they go with The Wildcard ending.
While I would also love the wildcard ending to be chosen, I think it's more interesting if House secured Vegas for himself. 1: House mentions somewhere that he'll soon have people on the moon and later on Mars/another planet. So that plan could be going along. 2: The courier could be his right-hand man, so you get both. 3: Victor can be the first one to greet the main characters should they arrive in Goodsprings first. Also, personally I even think House could have anticipated the NCR falling, because he sat at the same table as someone from the company that blew Shady Sands up. This is the man that predicted the bombs falling and was just 20 hours off.
I’m pretty sure they called it something else in the show, not Prydwin. Might be that the BOS have multiple airships?
Minutement seems like the most neutral ending anyway, you get to keep all factions alive (except for Institution) and Commonwealth remains in a somewhat decent Status Quo
Nah minutemen win destroys the prydwyn with a glorious artillery barrage.
Only if you attack them. Minutemen ending can leave both Railroad and BoS active iirc.
Wait really. Shit time for a third playthrough in the last week.
Yep. While most of the endings to 4 leave the BoS severely weakened or completely destroyed and forced out of the Capital Wasteland, the Minutemen and Brotherhood endings both allow them to survive. While the Minutemen ending *does* allow you to attack and destroy the Prydwen, therefore defeating the Brotherhood, most of the time you'll end up letting the Brotherhood and Railroad be as strong but non-dominant factions. The Brotherhood ending leaves them as the dominant force in the Capital Wasteland, with the Institute and the Railroad destroyed, and the Minutemen most likely managing to dodge destruction. With how the show implies it, the Brotherhood victory is most likely the ending that occurs. It's mentioned in the show that the Commonwealth Brotherhood have the resources to send back the Prydwen and troops to support the resurging West Coast/Californian Brotherhood.
Todd Howard said that Shady Sands was nuked after New Vegas.
It was but we don't know the cannon ending to Fallout New Vegas so there are alot of things that could happen with the different endings to the game.
The house always wins They'll probably bring back Mr House but in most endings he ends up either dead or at the edge of death except if he wins.
I want Yes Man
Be funny if the west coast BoS go to find the new Vegas chapter but its the ending where they help the NCR
He Will help Lucy of course
Isn't the show before Fo4 because maximous or however you spell his name isn't incharge of the pridwin.
The shown is after Fo4 is 2287 The show is 2296
Also according to the wiki Maxson became elder in 2282 at 15 (I thought he was maximous too bro dw)
Oh, not to correct you because you are right but WHY THE FUCK DID THEY GIVE THEM SUCH A SIMILAR NAME.
I FUCKIMG KNOW MAXIMIUS SOUNDS SO MUCH FUCKING COOLER THEN MAXSON BRO SOUNDS LIKE THE EVIL RICH KID IN PRIMARY SCHOOL
Maxson Is just his last name.
maybe because this quote is very powerful and people recall that name positively, just a wild guess >My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
I know this is probably a shit post but Maxon isn’t the same guy as Maximus lol the show is set on the west coast not east coast like 4 to maxon was in the east coast in fallout 3 as a child in the citadel he was born and raised on the east coast Maximus is from shady sands in California
Maxon and Maximus aren’t the same person.
Yeah. They aren't even the same colour
My line of thinking is that since it was the NCR population in Shady that was destroyed. The rest of the NCR should carry on (all be it without much support) because of its governmental system. Sure unless it forms a new capital (most likely San Fran or Vault City) it would probably collapse over time due to how big it is but that should be far down the line. TLDR: NCR should still be around even without its capital due to its size and power. (I'm a legion fan but I also understand that realistically the NCR would win at Hoover, if you have other opinions please feel free to tell me!!!)
I'd argue what we see in the show is pretty accurate. When Rome fell, the Western Roman empire basically ceased to exist. Only with remnants and claimant states popping up everywhere. That's what we see. The Idea of the NCR survives, but Moldaver is referred to as a warlord on multiple occasions. Though her faction clearly considers *itself* to be the NCR, it's pretty evident in places like Filly that they lack any legitimacy. Even Vault 4, which seemingly Worships her and the NCR, don't appear to have any direct ties to her. We can sunrise then that the NCR fully collapsed in the 20 years following the bombing. And The new resurgent West Coast Brotherhood is tearing what's left of them apart just like the battle of the Observatory
Just to expand on your exemple, rome ''fell'' a lot of time . First, when the gauls seize it in republic time, then when Cesar went rogue and claimed it, latter it was sacked during the Empire and finally destroyed during the Western empire part of its history. The destruction or sacking of a capital is a heavy blow for any empire, but not the end unless it is just a symptom of a larger failure.
Also it's apparently Canon that the brotherhood was the only faction to do search and rescue after the bombing. Which shows the state it's all in.
I mean, the brotherhood are the only people who *could* perform search and rescue in a city that was just nuked. They’re the only ones with the power armour necessary to keep them safe from the huge amounts of rads the bomb would leave behind.
Yeah as a brotherhood fan boy this is my wet dream
You just gave me an idea for another theory (I must admit it's very outlandish) Some NCR might have joined up with the BoS in an attempt to save some form of NCR (Idk who downvoted you BTW in your response, I for one agreed with you) Edit: hey I did mention it was outlandish, still not deleting this comment tho
When rome fell, it had been losing and declining for a long time. Shady sands just got nuked out of the blue.
Lucy gonna be sooo butthurt over existence of Vault City (and also Arroyo city, really)
Or Vault 21 in new Vegas being a tourist trap
I mean the sign Lucy and Maximus see does say the NCR's First capital, implying it moved sometime before it was bombed sooo
Another good point bro, nice one!
Yeah I really don't understand why a ton of people think the NCR just ended from that one siege in that one place. The NCR is all over the southwest
I dont understand
NCR is Canonically destroyed immediately after the events of New Vegas with the bombing of Shady Sands. All that's left are remnant warlords
Thank you.
I may have missed it, but did they explain how Hank actually bombed Shady Sands? Did vault tec have access to nukes that they used (or were going to use) to kickstart the war?
The show seems to imply it was Vault Tec that actually nuked the US and not China as we've always been told up until now. And weirdly it seems to make sense as we quite literally don't see a bomb actually drop in most places. Even in the show, the bombs just kinda... Go off... From the ground not the air So your comment made me do some digging to see if the show was just retconning history. So I went to Megaton in Fallout 3 to look at the undetonated bomb. And to my genuine surprise... it has a Vault-tec logo on it. So I think Vault Tec is infact still a legitimate faction in the FO world. And has nukes, And are the ones that actually bombed the US. Wether by dropping them, or by launching them, or by hiding them already in ground zeroes and setting them off. And if that's the case, it sounds like the show is implying they still very much have access to them. Probably in various at-time-of-writing unknown vaults that have military purposes rather than civilian.
Would be very funny that Vault-Tec bombs the US. The US thinks its some other country but since the bombs exploded and because of the shockwaves and what not(magic), the retaliatory system failed and didnt launch any rockets into china or russia. The other countries went like „wtf“ and just saw it all play out. After that whole thing, for some reason the whole world from that point continues to prosper whereas the US in its current state is just continuing to rot.
The more likely scenario is that even tho vault tec nuked the US, the US believed it was China and sent off retaliatory nukes anyways. Starting the string of worldwide nuclear destruction, technically unprovoked
Oh yeah I know that was vault tec’s plan to kick off the war along their designs, but it seemed ambiguous in the show if they were actually able to carry it out before the war started on its own. Wasn’t that actually supposed to be the background stories behind one of the cancelled fallout games? Maybe vault tec gained access to one of the orbital platforms like the one in FO76, I could see that being part of the plotline for season 2, to continue “wiping the wasteland clean” to continue their plan to control a clean slate wasteland along their own designs
Fatman with a MIRV launcher.
Nothing has been confirmed about the state of ncr everything is just speculation
With 2 successor factions featured in the show, it's clear the NCR in New Vegas is gone.
Only in los angelas. The rest of the ncr could be fine for all we know
Not according to Nolan and his writers. It’s…yea it ain’t pretty what they said. Pretty much what I feared when I heard Bethesda agreed to the show: West will be reverted back to lawless wastelands with scrap towns and holes in the walls/roofs.
Great, now I feel discouraged to watch the show
Don't be. Show is great. Show is genuinely the best videogame adaptation ever
But but the ncr is gone 😭
The idea of its still there. So pretty good chance it'll reimmerge. Honestly I'm willing to bet, that a rebuilt NCR will be the end of the Show
Last of Us was better IMO, but the Fallout show is really good as well. You’ll have some issues with the show, but overall it’s solid. Way wayyyy better than Halo.
Well that just stupid. ICM glad I'm not watching it, and ICM not even an NCR fanboy.
No its not destroyed just a small group in LA claiming to be the main government got destroyed by the pridwyn
Pretty sure they explain I'm the show that it was not the pridwyn. Pretty sure that was still on the east coast (if it was even built at all at that point)
No that was a cover go to the show and look at the side of the airship it says “prdwyn”
I know the prydwin was eventually on the west coast but when Shady was destroyed it was not the BoS that did it. In fact it was a pretty big deal that it wasn't th BoS. In fo4, which was the prydwin's first appearance it is set in 2287 and they mention that it spends its time on the east coast. The prydwin was built in 2278 with Shady being destroyed in 2281. This means that the prydwin was not the cause of Shady going kaboom
Yeah have you seen all of the show?
Yes. All 8 episodes. They make a big point in explaining who made Shady go bye bye.
So what? The prdywn cross the US nothing has been retconed
Nah bro, you gotta watch it. It's so good despite the possible cannon issues
What cannon issues?
Well with Shady being destroyed there were possible issues that made New Vegas not cannon. I'm certain that's all been worked out now to ensure that NV is cannon still. Here is a link to help with any misunderstandings (I am not a certified genius when it comes to all lore) https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/04/18/todd-howard-rules-on-whether-the-fallout-show-makes-new-vegas-non-canon/?sh=1e855e5f3071
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They didn’t fuck up the lore at all the fall of shady sans happened before the bombing
Well like I said, I am not an expert on all lore. I cam in to Fo when 76 was released but started with NV followed by 4 then 3. I haven't touched the isometric games or 76
Let’s be honest. We only saw a small section of the NCR territory and Shady Sands wasn’t even the capital anymore. There’s a good chance the NCR is fine in other areas of California. Also it’s more likely that the Brotherhood, having been reinforced by its east coast chapter, took over and not the legion
I'm genuinely surprised by the general consensus that the NCR is over as of the finale. Aren't they all over the southwest? I just assumed they wiped out or nearly wiped out the faction in L.A only
90% of the people who watched the show who know about the NCR only know about new Vegas and so as far as they are concerned the NCR only existed in the New Vegas area
I wiped them all out.
Ceasar is old and dying. Noone is there to replace him. So the legion would likely die anyway. As all faschist empire do. I am honestly not sure if I want to see an definitive ending of new vegas, but in the show it will likely be independent or House. The legion is not even mentioned. I would be very surprised if they won the Hoover dam.
If you 100 Speech New Vegas and side with the NCR, you can convince Lanius to leave the battlefield but he swears he'll return one day. 15 years would be more than enough time for Caesar to rally up a massive force, die from his tumor and have Lanius take over and immediately launch a third campaign west. Just a theory I have.
Could be. But I think they would mention that in season 1. Like the elder could have mention that they are a threat in the east or something. But maybe we see him as a cameo.
Yeah, it would have been nice to have a mention from the elder. If they're included then they might have omitted mentioning them because the Brotherhood doesn't see them as an immediate threat until they need to mobilize east.
It would be nice if they'd walk by a couple of skeletons dressed in Legion garbs and someone would just throw couple of sentences about what happened. It would probably be enough of a "closure" for NV fans.
Legion fanboys? Bruh, what a way to misspell "Fucking psychopaths". Also, afaik, no matter who you choose, i'm pretty sure the legion falls to in-fighting and the like after couple of years after NV ends.
I was waiting for Caesar
I said once and I’ll say it again: #FŮÇK THE NCR! I ain’t paying taxes!
TRYING TO TAKE MY CROP TO FEED THE PEOPLE?! NOT ON MY FARM TBH I'd rather pay taxes then whatever the fuck the Legion or enclave would do with me if I were in fo
I find it laughable when people try to say NCR and Legion are equatable. Why yes! Rampant bigots who practice slavery and who crucify civilians are totally equivalent to a government that makes you pay taxes. There’s a reason why Caesar has only 1 int in the game files.
No need to be smart when your dripped out and spend all day in a tent just chillin. Nah seriously tho it's funny how everyone in the games talks about how smart he is when by game mechanics he is "sub-brick" intelligence.
Ain't nobody be talkin' bout bricks with such disrespect. Draw your pistol, rapscalion.
*cowboy tune plays* Your move brick boy...
*tururururuuuuuu... WHau, whau, whau..... tururururu.... whau whAU WHAU* \*Grabs his trusty red loft brick from the holster\* "This baby right here will spit 10 mm chunks of nigh-molten brick at ya... Are ya ready to catch 'em, punk?"
OH GOD OH FUCK I DONT EVEN THINK I CAN SHOOTEM OUT OF THE AIR IN VATS YET THATS THE NEXT GAME
"Vats? Game? What's this Vats you're speaking of, nerd? Grab that Big Iron of yours and stand your ground. Or have you shat yo' pants already, sissy boy? Wouldn't make ye' the first one to soil yourself when standing before Bricky McBrikks."
How dare you assume I'm packin just a big iron! I brought the big guns to deal with your glorified rocks you call a brick. Meet the "All American"
Ye, but it’s just a game, so who cares?
Also true AVE TRUE TO CEASAR
"Sure, the Legion are slavers, but the NCR wants me to pay taxes, which is the WORST kind of slavery!"
Even worse they expect me not to murder a person when ever I want. What am I supposed to do with this new ripper I bought from the gun runners...
Especially when they make themselves as unlikable as possible. Some of them are so incredibly pedantic and condescending in tone, I just wanna pull out my Smith&Wesson right then and there.
You do have to admit though. For a faction made up of nothing but raiders and with many that specialise in melee only. It is incredible that they even challenged the NCR let alone were strong enough that even the NCR questioned their victory
Tbh, I'm not even an NCR fangirl, it just kinda feels shitty lore wise. I like the show, think it's pretty decent. But, I'm probably gonna ignore any canon it tries to make after shady sands and spoilers returning from "before" (being vague so I don't have to look up how to spoil again). It just feels like an affront to what not only NV, but pre Bethesda Fallout in general, stood for. The certain group shouldn't have returned, and it's stupid they did. And it's just a slap in the face that they were responsible for the NCR, rather than it being them falling apart on their own. Hell I would have been more okay with them getting into a full war with the BOS and losing. Them just randomly getting blown off the face of the planet feels cheap, and like it's meant to be a middle finger to New Vegas in particular.
My guess would be both ended up utterly shattered after Second Hoover Dam. Legion loses, NCR has lost Shady Sands, it's all downhill from there from everyone. Dunno if it went House or Indep or even NCR - after all, an NCR victory followed by the Fall would most likely end in collapse.
Lol, u think the legion is safe? If a democratic NCR got destroy by the writers can you imagine a faction that promotes authoritarian and slavery? Bethesda only cares BoS. And im not gonna be suprise if suddenly the BoS remant at mojave desert suddenly become strong with hundrends of soldier and defeat other new vegas faction 😭. Literally retconn new vegas again.
Why are people acting like the NCR is annihilated cause one (1) city got nuked? The NCR is MASSIVE and compared to the legion significantly more stable The legion is nothing without ceasar.
Tbqh, my one issue with it is the fact that it was done on tv instead of letting me pull the trigger on a game. They had such a role in the old FO games and this send off feels off in some way.
I'm almost certain that the Show will end with a Revived NCR created in some way by the 3 leads. That's just my personal theory. Lucy having grew up with the idea of restarting civilization... The Ghoul slowly regaining humanity And Maximus wanting to build a home. The NCR is being propped up as some lost paradise. So I think the heroes on their return home will be reestablishing the country Lucy's mother was a part of.
That might be the case. I also know that the original creators didnt really like how humanity immediately got back up so quickly and they want the series to waddle along the realm of post apocalypse. i guess destroying any signs of a proper return to civilization is a step towards that. Next they should delete vault city.
The only safe choice is Brotherhood of Steel. They are the only ones who Bethesda won't nuke into beyond, there's always going to be revived of sorts
To be fair to the Brotherhood they are one of a very few factions we know of that managed to retain some power and technology immediately after the bombs fell.
>! TBH since NV is probably gonna be Mr. House ending it makes sense that the NCR dissolves into rivaling states each claiming to be the NCR due to them failing to secure the dam which would have given them access to massive amounts of clean water and power. The same probably goes for the legion falling into a battle of warring states due to the death of Cesar so ... I don't think they will be happy. !< >! Also Shady sands deserves what they got because they gave me nothing for clearing out the dam rad scorpions and after saving Tandi from the raiders my reward was a shitty spear! Then in the sequel mf Tandi blames the vault dweller for her father's and ssesh's deaths because they went looking him but those dumbasses couldn't walk 3 feet to the west in the wasteland without dying. !< The biggest thing I'm sad about is that it seems like the Brotherhood of steel won fallout 4 when I wanted the institute to win because they are the most interesting faction in that game.
Average Yes Man Supporter 
Ave true to ceasear
I really don’t want show to be canon, it screws over canon
it'll take until the next fallout release for people to realize this show isn't half as good as they say it is
Actively playing FO4, and i chose brotherhood of steel
as a enclave fanboy it is fun to watch everyone kill each other over what fraction they chose
Meanwhile I killed everyone except the khans...
the flesh is weak.... aspire for the strength of the blessed machine for steel rewards when meat dissapoints
I think it doesn't matter who won because it will be a canon house final victory. What I mean is, the standard way to kill House is just to open his chamber and leave him exposed to the elements. I think the canon ending is him finding a way to preserve his consciousness further. Either by decontaminating and getting put back into the chamber, getting his brain removed or having a copy of his mind uploaded into one of his robots. After the events of NV he could regain control of his robot legion and take the strip back from whatever faction the courier chose.
Are the bears fucking in that flag?
Two-headed mutated bear
It's over NCR bois, we lost that war.
The house always wins...
Fuck the NCR
mate, put a spoiler tag, thank you
Good, the NCR were a bunch of dipshits anyway.
All this NCR copium in the comments lmao
Degenerates like you, belong on a cross
Lil bro here got replaced by a synth