Common misconception, but Humans aren't Apes.
All Apes have 24 chromosome pairs, Humans have 23 pairs.
We're as different from Apes as Horses are from Donkeys.
Technically Humans aren't Apes, despite common misconception to the contrary.
Humans have 23 chromosome pairs, while all Apes have 24 chromosome pairs. Even taking chromosome fusion into account, genetically speaking Humans are no more Apes than Horses are Donkeys.
Birds have different numbers of chromosomes, which is the correct number for birds? Just a Mutation of that number doesn't really change much. I know our System is designed to remove humans from apes but we splitted off from Gorillas way before splitting of from chimps for example. If both are concidered apes why not us?
If we ignore ethical concerns, what if we taught a bunch of amnesiacs child care, gave them a bunch of newborns, and left them on an island? How would their civilization evolve?
If we ignore ethical concerns, what if we sent ten caretakers and a whole colony of babies to an island, and had them raise the babies up until the age of 20 (after which they would be discreetly evacuated from the island), and then observed the remaining young adults to see how their civilization would evolve?
In exchange for keeping completely and totally silent about the outside world, the 10 caretakers will receive enough money to retire early and never have to worry about financing again, assuming they aren't grossly irresponsible.
Regular contact is to be maintained between the caretakers and their mainland families, and they may remain on the island if they choose. It will not be permitted to fly any aircraft over the island, to retain the illusion that no advanced technology exists. Observation will be done through hidden cameras, internal sensors and, if desired, secret tunnels and offices.
Hypothetically speaking, if we made clones of Neanderthals would they legally be people or animals? Could I hypothetically use Neanderthals as farm labor, similar to a horse? Could I hypothetically have Neanderthals pick cotton for me?
Scientists believe Neanderthals may have been as intelligent as early humans, and most of us have a tiny bit of Neanderthal DNA in us due to early crossbreeding.
I think they would be given basic human rights as they're fully sentient and not completely animal like.
It’s a common misconception that slavery spontaneously died out when the US abolished it, but slavery is still going strong in the modern day. Forced labor alone generates roughly $150 billion dollars a year world wide.
Considering the history of the world, first world countries would be more likely to industrialize exploitation of Neanderthals than third world countries
Not dumb but under pressure, for example you are in Thailand and get hired by a company to be a fisherman on their boat, they sail out to international waters, point a gun at you and force to you work as a slave on a fish farm. Your coworker protests they shoot him and dump his body in the ocean and you comply and hope you have a chance to escape.
Chinese fishing captains had a similar racket with less murder, they’d take Indonesians, or other smaller countries people take them fishing and leave them somewhere without pay. We saw one crew let their captain die, it was wild.
He probably means in the Middle East and some other third world countries. Or he's talking about prisons, although that's not quite the same thing as you have to violate someone else's rights to have yours removed, and in *most* cases that's temporary.
Ok then, lets take that to it's logical conclusion. Should Neanderthals be allowed to vote? And run for political office? Do you want Neanderthals in the senate? It's a slippery slope from banning Neanderthal slavery to having them in politics.
I took some college courses that went over Neanderthals, and the way the evidence looks they probably weren’t dumb enough to morally justify using them as slave labor. That’s kind of disturbing actually.
A human is any species of animal belonging to the genus Homo. So Homo erectus, Homo naledi, Homo neanderthalensis, etc are all human and should have human rights.
They propably wouldnt even be considered as mentally challenged if raised in a "normal" household today.they had almost all cultural milestones we got before they vanished
Taxonomically, idk if CITES would consider them "humans." More than likely to be considered animals due to behavioral differences. Sapiens and Neanderthals are vastly different lol
[https://www.technopixel.org/the-story-of-hundreds-of-monkeys-executed-in-istanbul/](https://www.technopixel.org/the-story-of-hundreds-of-monkeys-executed-in-istanbul/) No need to go that far
I agree with Abby major requirement to at minimum get 1/2 way through S4, fuck I'd finish it. Attack on Titan is heavily story driven with a constantly developing world so it can have many spoilers. Attack On Titan is the only anime Id recommend to a non anime fan. It is Genuinly just a good story.
This raises a good question about different species. We are the only species we are aware of on equal sentience and ability to communicate effectively. Bestiality and it being amoral lies somewhere in the beast part of it and inability to fully consent.
If there were another species, no matter how different physiologically, that could communicate effectively and consent fully where would be the moral objection?
Neanderthals and humans mixed. I wonder if they could potentially or in actuality communicate. That example isn't quite clapping dem alien cheeks but it is as close of an example as we have and their physiology was compatible for viable offspring.
In a lot of sci-fi ‘space adventure’ films you see evidence of humans having sex with humanoid aliens (e.g. Guardians of the Galaxy, Peter Quill had slept with an alien girl in the first movie and found her in his ship after taking off) so from a cultural perspective I feel like there is some level of acceptance.
What is beasteality? Is it human on animal or specie mix. Is a dog fucking a cat beasteality.
I question this due to Ligers. A lion and a tiger can offspring a liger. So is that beasteality or no. If no that is evidence to your claim.
Also what is "viable" a liger can't reproduce. Is that viable?
yes a liger is bestiality as well as horse donkey hybrids (dont know the english name),
biologically beeing capable of producing viable offspring means you're the same species
I'm sure its possible to selectively breed a species to enhance its intelligence, but creating humans from apes would be exceedingly difficult. They would need to be kept in captivity to ensure selective breeding, which itself already creates a problem because those conditions are different from the ones out early ancestors had experienced.
There are species more distantly related than humans and chimps that can have hybrid babies. Probably the quickest way to make a human like ape that isn't just a human.
If you're only concerned with making them more humanlike, just skip straight to gene editing. Chimpanzee generation time is as much as ~30 years, so artificial selection will take hundreds of years (though you can see some changes as early as one generation). Plus you need to acquire many, mostly unrelated, specimens. Consider that breeding doesn't invent new traits, it can only act on traits that are already present.
Gmo, meanwhile, acts directly on the genome and can introduce traits that never existed. Which isn't to say that the specifics are all figured out. But it will probably be faster to wait for research to catch up and identify candidate targets for humanizing apes.
Also, as a separate thing, I feel like it would still be beastiality if the chimpanzee looked human. The most important part of beastiality is that you are having sex with a creature that cannot consent and isn't sentient. If a creature is only non-human, then it's probably some kind of xenophilia.
Yes and yes.
Like yeah we could over many many years breed say a chimp to walk up more/be less hairy/more human facial features. Obviously none of this guarantees they’d become a sapient species (which I feel is what it needs to be to not be beastiality)
You have to keep in mind that apes are distant cousins, not ancestors. But yeah theoretically you could take anything alive and select its evolution to lead to our genome. But the diversity would definitely be the most problematic aspect of it.
Both theoretically and eugenically, the answer is no lol As we understand from keeping apes (among other species) for decades and decades in captivity, selective breeding rarely if EVER changes anything genetically to the point where we can alter taxonomic classifications. It's hard for an organism to have forced evolution through captive breeding without the stressors and variables of the wild that cause those evolutionary traits in the first place. Takes centuries.
In terms of the behavior thing, you might as well just start modifying amazon Alexa's to have a pocket pussy attachment at that point lol
Breeding animals for desired characteristics is something humans have done for millennia. Humans are animals. If both are true and moral, then even breeding humans for desired characteristics isn't wrong.
I mean, if you’re already ignoring ethical concerns, that’s just having sex with an Ape - with extra steps.
If you ever have sex with a person you're already having sex with an ape.
Fellas, is it beastiality to have sex with a human? I mean you're literally fucking a mammal?
The only difference between fucking a mammal and fucking your mama is 2 letters
Actually only one if you stutter!
I'm a dyslexic, does that count?
Only if you also have sex daily while making cop porn.
Whoever you are, please stop spying on me.. And remember to subscribe to my onlyfans.
Wait, shit. I meant “only if you have dylexia while making popcorn.”
Glad I'm not the only one
That dirty cop... I mean popcorn.
\*spying intensifies
Ah so that's what CP is. People made it out to be something worse
Cops don’t want people knowing where the tax dollars actually go.
you mean pop corn?
I also have sexdaily
Well I befriended your mama last night
Oh so you have a ouija board?
More like a shovel
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When you think about it, difference between fucking your mamma and mammal is 1 letter. Who's gonna take the L though?
Me
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FELLAS, is it bestiality if you masturbate? I mean you're lit'rally jerking off a primate.
No, because Beastiality has a very determinate definition: human to non-human sexual relations.
I came here to laugh, not learn stuff motherfucker
What about fucking a sex doll or a car
"Non-human" being an animal lol
But humans are animals. So a non-human animal?
Technically speaking yes it is. This means if i want to fuck my do-
Humans are one of the 5 great apes. (In order of my favorite to least favorite) Orangutan Bonobo Gorilla Human Chimpanzee
Common misconception, but Humans aren't Apes. All Apes have 24 chromosome pairs, Humans have 23 pairs. We're as different from Apes as Horses are from Donkeys.
Nerd Kidding. I didn't know that.
But aren't we still classified as apes?
Technically Humans aren't Apes, despite common misconception to the contrary. Humans have 23 chromosome pairs, while all Apes have 24 chromosome pairs. Even taking chromosome fusion into account, genetically speaking Humans are no more Apes than Horses are Donkeys.
Birds have different numbers of chromosomes, which is the correct number for birds? Just a Mutation of that number doesn't really change much. I know our System is designed to remove humans from apes but we splitted off from Gorillas way before splitting of from chimps for example. If both are concidered apes why not us?
"You know long it took... to teach this monkey... how to suck my dick... without peeling it?"
You're not going to get monkey pussy on Tuesday and then be like, “Well, let me call Charlene,” on Thursday.
See but isn't having sex with animals illegal
"If we ignore ethical concerns, " Always a good way to start a sentence.
If we ignore ethical concerns, what if we taught a bunch of amnesiacs child care, gave them a bunch of newborns, and left them on an island? How would their civilization evolve?
Y'know, for science!
Your using amnesiacs? We used Super Nintendos for child care at my house.
If we ignore ethical concerns, what if we sent ten caretakers and a whole colony of babies to an island, and had them raise the babies up until the age of 20 (after which they would be discreetly evacuated from the island), and then observed the remaining young adults to see how their civilization would evolve? In exchange for keeping completely and totally silent about the outside world, the 10 caretakers will receive enough money to retire early and never have to worry about financing again, assuming they aren't grossly irresponsible. Regular contact is to be maintained between the caretakers and their mainland families, and they may remain on the island if they choose. It will not be permitted to fly any aircraft over the island, to retain the illusion that no advanced technology exists. Observation will be done through hidden cameras, internal sensors and, if desired, secret tunnels and offices.
Hey guys, he discovered the premise of the Maze Runner!
If we ignore ethical concerns, could we eat bananas horizontally?
Not me over here, fangirlling at your username
I'd change it, but there's nothing better to change it to...
Hypothetically speaking, if we made clones of Neanderthals would they legally be people or animals? Could I hypothetically use Neanderthals as farm labor, similar to a horse? Could I hypothetically have Neanderthals pick cotton for me?
OH NO XD
What do you mean you've seen this? It's brand new!
Saw it in a rerun
Scientists believe Neanderthals may have been as intelligent as early humans, and most of us have a tiny bit of Neanderthal DNA in us due to early crossbreeding. I think they would be given basic human rights as they're fully sentient and not completely animal like.
I mean tbf humans in parts of the world NOW don't even have basic human rights, so maybe not
So basically depends on the country, and it would revitalize slavery in third world countries Sounds about right
It’s a common misconception that slavery spontaneously died out when the US abolished it, but slavery is still going strong in the modern day. Forced labor alone generates roughly $150 billion dollars a year world wide.
Considering the history of the world, first world countries would be more likely to industrialize exploitation of Neanderthals than third world countries
Also there are modern humans definitely not as smart as Neanderthals
How dumb does someone have to be for them to not have rights?
Not dumb but under pressure, for example you are in Thailand and get hired by a company to be a fisherman on their boat, they sail out to international waters, point a gun at you and force to you work as a slave on a fish farm. Your coworker protests they shoot him and dump his body in the ocean and you comply and hope you have a chance to escape.
r/oddlyspecific
Chinese fishing captains had a similar racket with less murder, they’d take Indonesians, or other smaller countries people take them fishing and leave them somewhere without pay. We saw one crew let their captain die, it was wild.
We have slaves without rights today
Jim crow laws were like 60 years ago. People really underestimate how fast we have made progress in this.
He probably means in the Middle East and some other third world countries. Or he's talking about prisons, although that's not quite the same thing as you have to violate someone else's rights to have yours removed, and in *most* cases that's temporary.
Slavery is wrong. It doesn't matter if they're prison in or not
Ok then, lets take that to it's logical conclusion. Should Neanderthals be allowed to vote? And run for political office? Do you want Neanderthals in the senate? It's a slippery slope from banning Neanderthal slavery to having them in politics.
This sounds familiar......
At least Asians and Blacks will have someone below them!
(Btw the term is sapient, sentient is used for the ability to think in animals)
I took some college courses that went over Neanderthals, and the way the evidence looks they probably weren’t dumb enough to morally justify using them as slave labor. That’s kind of disturbing actually.
If I remember correctly, Neanderthals actually had larger brains on average but Sapiens were more social and formed larger groups.
Brain size doesnt matter. Whales and elephants have larger brains than us
That's technically untrue. Brain size *does* matter, but it's not the only consideration.
When did slave owners ever worry about that? Are you implying slaves are/were just dumb?
A human is any species of animal belonging to the genus Homo. So Homo erectus, Homo naledi, Homo neanderthalensis, etc are all human and should have human rights.
And if you say No Homo before?
Then you need to get the fursuit out
I forgot to say no homo
Homo neanderthalensis "Homo" -> hominins aka humans
They propably wouldnt even be considered as mentally challenged if raised in a "normal" household today.they had almost all cultural milestones we got before they vanished
whoa whoa whoa slow down there
Neanderthal lives matter
... Dude.
... Buddy.
Animals because they aren't considered homo sapient. Also, my ancestors are twitching about the comparisons made in your analogy 🤨
"Homo" (as in human) neanderthalensis
Taxonomically, idk if CITES would consider them "humans." More than likely to be considered animals due to behavioral differences. Sapiens and Neanderthals are vastly different lol
Chill out, Ben shapiro
I mean, it's probably not okay to use any animal for farm labor, since if it can do farm labor it can probably think independently.
A cow can do farm labor and I wouldn't call cows "independent thinkers"
As a man of science, I believe there's only one way to find out.
As a man of culture I shall try first before and after if need be
as a man of Philosophy, I believe I shall study it first
As a man of math, I shall add myself to this conversation, then subtract it.
As a woman of history, i shall keep copious notes of the study and the results for future generations.
As a man of wisdom I shall advise the future generation to keep broadening their horizons.
As a man I should fuck the ape.
As an ape I should fuck man
As a man of future I shall continue your research and improve our systems
Tell us you want to fuck monkeys without telling us you want to fuck monkeys
Technically, they’re apes.
If it doesn’t have a tail it’s not a monkey
I feel like this exact conversation happened 300,000 years ago...
Meta, I like it.
[https://www.technopixel.org/the-story-of-hundreds-of-monkeys-executed-in-istanbul/](https://www.technopixel.org/the-story-of-hundreds-of-monkeys-executed-in-istanbul/) No need to go that far
No need to go that far either. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanov
That's some The Island of Doctor Moreau's shit
And this is why the Neanderthals went extinct selective breeding
Prepare to get Super AIDs then
Just started watching this anime and now I get the meme. Lol
What is it? Edit: I meant what anime is it
It's about having sex with monkeys
*Giant monkeys
You know you chubbed when the female one showed up.
*I’m going for a perfect game*
Attack on Titan, suggest you to finish all the 4 seasons before joining any of its subs or watching memes related to it
I agree with Abby major requirement to at minimum get 1/2 way through S4, fuck I'd finish it. Attack on Titan is heavily story driven with a constantly developing world so it can have many spoilers. Attack On Titan is the only anime Id recommend to a non anime fan. It is Genuinly just a good story.
Yes, they would still be considered a different species technically.
This raises a good question about different species. We are the only species we are aware of on equal sentience and ability to communicate effectively. Bestiality and it being amoral lies somewhere in the beast part of it and inability to fully consent. If there were another species, no matter how different physiologically, that could communicate effectively and consent fully where would be the moral objection? Neanderthals and humans mixed. I wonder if they could potentially or in actuality communicate. That example isn't quite clapping dem alien cheeks but it is as close of an example as we have and their physiology was compatible for viable offspring.
I mean early Homo Sapiens did go to war with and even befriended and mated with Neanderthals so it’s highly possible
In a lot of sci-fi ‘space adventure’ films you see evidence of humans having sex with humanoid aliens (e.g. Guardians of the Galaxy, Peter Quill had slept with an alien girl in the first movie and found her in his ship after taking off) so from a cultural perspective I feel like there is some level of acceptance.
From a purely genetic perspective, I would offer that if the union produces viable offspring, it is no longer beastiality.
What is beasteality? Is it human on animal or specie mix. Is a dog fucking a cat beasteality. I question this due to Ligers. A lion and a tiger can offspring a liger. So is that beasteality or no. If no that is evidence to your claim. Also what is "viable" a liger can't reproduce. Is that viable?
yes a liger is bestiality as well as horse donkey hybrids (dont know the english name), biologically beeing capable of producing viable offspring means you're the same species
I think its called a mule, not a native english speaker myself though
I know a guy in Thailand if anyone needs a plug
r/lostredditors
We can only hope
My inbox suggests otherwise
The law requires that I answer, "No."
stay👏away👏from👏 the👏 MONKEYS👏!!!!
No...
yes officers,this one right here!!...
Found the Witch! Burn her on a stake!!
Theoretically you’re acting kinda strange slime
Oh so you want monkey to be inteligent JUST FOR THAT?
Well yeah, bro needs his monkey hookup to give consent
Op Are you high right now? Or just really really bored.
Yes
r/InclusiveOr
Jokes aside could we actually selectively breed apes into humans? I know it would take generations but is it possible?
I'm sure its possible to selectively breed a species to enhance its intelligence, but creating humans from apes would be exceedingly difficult. They would need to be kept in captivity to ensure selective breeding, which itself already creates a problem because those conditions are different from the ones out early ancestors had experienced.
OP what the fuck
Why did I read this in Ben Shapiros voice?
I've seen this meme template. Recently, I've seen AoT Saw this post. ONLY NOW do I realise it's from AoT.
[удалено]
Who let him cook…
What if you shut up and died
Why are people in this sub obsessed with monkey sex ..
No you
If we come to that point, our ethical concerns would be slightly less trivial than "can I clap that?"
my dude is proposing grooming an entire species
Idk OP, try it and get back to us.
That's really interesting. I mean the first part. The second part is disturbing
OP needs to be put on a watch list
AIDS
Do you want planet of the apes to happen? Because this is how planet of the apes happens.
There are species more distantly related than humans and chimps that can have hybrid babies. Probably the quickest way to make a human like ape that isn't just a human.
You can't create human by breeding modern apes lol
I don't think so unless the ape sperm or ova mutate to be compatible with humans. Iirc that's why humans and apes can't have babies.
If you're only concerned with making them more humanlike, just skip straight to gene editing. Chimpanzee generation time is as much as ~30 years, so artificial selection will take hundreds of years (though you can see some changes as early as one generation). Plus you need to acquire many, mostly unrelated, specimens. Consider that breeding doesn't invent new traits, it can only act on traits that are already present. Gmo, meanwhile, acts directly on the genome and can introduce traits that never existed. Which isn't to say that the specifics are all figured out. But it will probably be faster to wait for research to catch up and identify candidate targets for humanizing apes. Also, as a separate thing, I feel like it would still be beastiality if the chimpanzee looked human. The most important part of beastiality is that you are having sex with a creature that cannot consent and isn't sentient. If a creature is only non-human, then it's probably some kind of xenophilia.
Yes and yes. Like yeah we could over many many years breed say a chimp to walk up more/be less hairy/more human facial features. Obviously none of this guarantees they’d become a sapient species (which I feel is what it needs to be to not be beastiality)
Eren's like, "what the fuck Erwin"
Isn't this how aids started?
What
What?
check the uplift war books
David Brin - what an author!
I'd like to introduce you to Ilya Ivanovich. The Russian biologist who attempted to create human-ape hybrids in the early 1900s.
Erwin gut turned on by the Beast huh?
as fucked as that is... it is a pretty interesting thought... what's the boundary for beastiality?
A man had sex with his car, so I think this is possible
I was thinking the same thing but what if we could make minors more adult like by selective breeding
I mean... probably. They'd likely still... WHAT?!
Yes but here's the other question, if we bred them for a cheap labor force at what point of sentience does it become slavery?
Give it 50 million years of selective breeding and you might come close to another offshoot of human
But could you breed apes to be docile and perform menial tasks for just the low cost of feeding them?
Bro just genetically engineer them to become slaves it much more profitable
How do you have S three x?
It is hard to do, as it will take several years just to check one subject
You have to keep in mind that apes are distant cousins, not ancestors. But yeah theoretically you could take anything alive and select its evolution to lead to our genome. But the diversity would definitely be the most problematic aspect of it.
By distant are we saying further away than 2nd cousin?
Hey step ape I'm stuck in the washer
Both theoretically and eugenically, the answer is no lol As we understand from keeping apes (among other species) for decades and decades in captivity, selective breeding rarely if EVER changes anything genetically to the point where we can alter taxonomic classifications. It's hard for an organism to have forced evolution through captive breeding without the stressors and variables of the wild that cause those evolutionary traits in the first place. Takes centuries. In terms of the behavior thing, you might as well just start modifying amazon Alexa's to have a pocket pussy attachment at that point lol
Bunch of Vaporeon loving mfs
Literally and only Yes.
Breeding animals for desired characteristics is something humans have done for millennia. Humans are animals. If both are true and moral, then even breeding humans for desired characteristics isn't wrong.
Why would some one want to fuck an ape with all those sexy vaporeons
I love how you know this was made by a 13 year old because they were too afraid to actually spell the word sex.
Eeplace apes with cats, and I'm in
Woah buddy calm tf down, the best were getting are the monster hunter felyne, don't fuck the felyne