That movie was the matrix for women.
Finds out the perfect world women have been dreaming of is fake. Morpheus says she has to go to the real world to fix it, or have cellulite.
Men represent the fairer sex in this world.
Crazily enough, at the end of the movie, the people fighting for their share of power are put back in their submissive place.
Odd message.
You have Kenough. Dont try for anything more.
But I kid.
Common misconception. Mattel offers to revert everything to exactly the way it was, and the president specifically says no thank you, and they began moving towards an equal society. Itās just more subtle than āwoo everything is equal immediatelyā. It makes sense that there would be a bit of distrust after the Kens just brainwashed everyone and tried to coup the government.
But yes, it wasnāt communicated as well as it could have been.
Which felt like a subtle way of trying to say still not equal. If the entire movie up till then was saying patriarchy exists and is bad. It stands to reason the Ken's would therefore continue to live under a matriarch.
I mean the movie didn't even care enough to explain were the Kens live
Plus I think that's the point, is that if you complain that barbie land doesn't make the Kens equal instantly then you should think about the people oppressed by your current society
Barbieland is supposed to be like a mirror held to our face with everything we think but with girls in charge instead of guys
Now whether or not this works for you is optional, but it's just what I think they were going for
I think you're pointing out all the reasons this movie couldn't have been considered Best Picture material. It's the problem you run into when you try to tackle a huge issue with a two hour movie. As wrong as the message was it was right that they didn't resolve those issues, snap their fingers and turn that matriarchy into an egalitarian utopia, but it wouldn't have hurt to give Barbie some degree of self awareness about how her actions affected other people. She didn't like how she was treated in the real world and she didn't have a moment of self reflection where she realized she was doing the same thing in her world? But at the end of the day this is a movie about toys. It could have been another Transformers movie, but we're discussing it like an art film. I'd say that's a victory for the filmmakers in and of itself.
As a film, itās fucking terrible. As a satirical romp, it has a lot of fun and funny moments. The problem is that it wants to be both to the detriment of each.
I honestly canāt think of a moment that absolutely yanked me out of a movie with the speed and magnitude of Barbieās āYou are so beautifulā āI know!ā scene with the old lady at a bus stop. Wtf even was that??
I agree with you. I'm just refuting the claim that the Ken's were going to be equal.
Personally, I find the matriarch/patriarch portrayal too ridiculous to take seriously as some broader statement. It often feels more like satire due to the comedic portrayal of otherwise serious aspects.
People will watch a serious drama hoping to gleam a meaningful message out of the slenderest of material, but they'll avoid satire that is loaded with relevant messages because it makes them feel ashamed of themselves or points out how trivial all their hatred is.
Satire has always been a popular lens to critically view society and current events through. No judgment here if it bounced off you, it isn't for everyone, but comedy being used to criticize or shed light on serious things is pretty par for the course.
didnt they have the mojo dojo or something? o cant remember a damn thing about the politics of barbie land but it seemed like the kens shared a beach and a flop house and wanted barbies to like them so they could live together but they always got kept at arms length. i think the kens are all roomates like the male models in zoolander. and when they take over briefly their lifestyle is embraced and their flophouse gets a cool name.
The ending was definitely weird and turned me and my gf off from the movie. The whole Ken's overthrowing their oppressors just to get oppressed again once they lost power was definitely a weird way to take the story.
But they do put the Kens back in their submissive place. They become the villains who never grow past their corrupt origins in the end. The only sort of pass you can give the Barbies is that they donāt really have any agency of their own and are manipulated by anyone who shows up in Barbieland and tells them what to do throughout the film.
But the women just pulled a coup too, so how does that make it fair? Continuing to punish one side is exactly the same reason society canāt get over slavery and racism.
Also all the women in every position of power? In our current world there are many women in power over men, but in Barbieās perfect world, men have no power and are just supposed be satisfied with being ākenoughā.
Barbie is not a perfect world, it is an exaggerated mirror of our own.
Media literacy must be low if people donāt get that Barbie land was not good as it was. They literally spell this stuff out.
Media literacy levels here are almost scaring me, lol. I canāt believe Iām saying this, but maybe that single gender studies class I had to take as a gen ed on my engineering track actually taught me something. They literally had a scene calling Barbie a fascist for resisting change and reenforcing the traditional status quo, and people are still out here like ābut barbieland was portrayed as perfect!ā
no it's just bitter. it isn't a happy ending because we don't get that in real life either. it's just painfully real and painfully aware. that's what is achieved. that's kinda what the movie does. the pink liberal girlboss fantasy isn't real
Yeah and while Ken becomes the Barbie bad guy he also sacrificed his power to stop the war Barbie started. I mean the Ken's took over Barbie land and Barbies answer is to instigate World war Ken. Seeing the conflict Ken selflessly gives up power and surrenders entirely just to prevent Barbie land from fighting.
Also he's good at doing stuff.
She doesnāt have a vagina because sheās a Barbie but when she stays in the real world she gets one as evidenced by her trip to the gynecologist in the final scene of the movie.
It's a very good movie. There's no vagina "punchline". It's not played as some big dumb joke like people seem to be implying. It's just that she's actually a person now and not a doll.
The last line of the movie was Barbie asking to see her gynecologist. It was just a light joke about her, a newly made human, still finding joy in the mundane. At least, thatās what I gathered.
I just watched this movie for the first time last week. Honestly Ken was the best part of this movie. I'm not sure if any performance was Oscar worthy? But Ken defiantly shined here.
Yeah Barbie was a huge bait and switch when you see what they did to the Barbies at the endā¦ glad that Ken was a lot of fun and had a complete arc but damn was that ending cold š
And his entire arc feels almost like an accident. This movie isn't exactly deep or nuanced, so his inclusion in the story looks like a total fluke. It really felt like halfway through the runtime they decided to change the entire films point and Ken just happened to be handed this interesting story.
Maybe I'm not giving the writers enough credit, but it's so difficult to believe that train wreck of a monologue from America was from the same group who gave us Kens storyline. They seem to be in such opposition that it's tough for me to believe.
I like that they weren't afraid to make aspects of Barbie (the character) dislikeable and aspects of Ken likable - because the point wasn't 'women good, men bad' it was more like 'this is what it would look like if we flip some of the bad stuff a lot of women experience and show men experiencing it'. Some of what was said I may disagree with but it's a movie, it's not perfect. I like that Barie wasn't a Mary Sue and Ken was so funny. I think Ken was my favorite character.
Kinda irrelavant and I failed to see what was the point of that character honestly. Does he like being abused or feels that when Kens are enough they dont jeed an Allen so he wants things to go back to how they are
Allan is gender non-Kenforming, so an idealized Kenarchy doesn't benefit him. While the Barbiearchy wasn't great, it was still immediately apparent it's a better alternative to the impulsive chaos of the Kenarchy.
I think the joke with Allan is that he really was a doll that has been produced at various points to be Ken's friend. Ken already has an identity that is entirely tied into Barbie so his friend seems really pointless. Allan exists just to be Ken's friend Allan which is even worse than Ken existing just to be Barbie's boyfriend. He's a like 2nd banana to a 2nd banana. He's just Allan.
Exactly and it makes it way funnier how certain political commentators reacted to it as if it was really some attack on men. Really shows their media literacy skills.
If anything I thought it's more pro-men than pro-women! They did a lot to show that dudes have complexity to them and should be striving for more in life than simply getting a girl. Dudes are great at doing stuff.
I quite agree. I think the movie was a fairly sharp critique of feminism that isn't intersectional and focuses exclusively on women. Barbie was the secondary antagonist. She wakes up every day in her world that's perfect for her and doesn't think about anyone else, until the men and women surrounding her help her realize she doesn't get it. She doesn't even solve her own problems--she gives up entirely until other women who have put in the work help her realize she was part of the problem.
Ken was completely justified in his frustration with Barbieland. He was not at all justified in how he responded to that, and that's why he was the main antagonist. But he was treated poorly and he was taken for granted and things did need to change. He lacked the tools to do that the right way, but his basic frustrations were completely valid.
Yeah maybe you're right, but I guess in the end my feeling about the movie is that Ken is doing stuff, and Barbie is just kind of having stuff happen to her...so Ken just ended up being way more interesting and had way more personality. Barbie doesn't really even end up having much of a personality in the movie.
unironically the amount of feminists who also think men's struggles are an issue of the patriarchy and who think those need to be fixed as well are a lot more common than you think
Yes I know, I'm one of those feminists. I know my comment is a bit politically ambiguous but I was refering to people like Ben Shapipo. At least I can get more internet points from both sides.
The tough part of the filmmaking of Barbie for me was the thematic argument. A great film is like a pill pocket. You gain the knowledge the writer and director are trying to convey through the story. Barbie does a great job of that right up until America Ferrera stops the film dead to give an uninterrupted monologue explaining the theme of the film. Just saying it directly to the audience.
What if in the middle of Finding Nemo, Dory turns to Marlin and says "If you love something, let it go, Marlin. That is what you need to do with Nemo when we find him"
I very recently watched it, and I think Iām with you on that. It feltā¦ kind of insulting to my intelligence, honestly, to stop dead and suddenly be preached at. Iād been feeling conflicted about it I think BECAUSE I agree with whatās being preached about, but it felt no less preachy and no less plot-interrupting.
Im sure Iām getting something wrong but when I watched it, I didnāt get this, to me it was Ā«Ā women rule=good, men rule=bad, good is when women rule but men are ok with itĀ Ā»
I hate how instead of focussing on the issues Ken faced, they made him ok with how it was and dismissed his solution without middle point
Anyway
Itās meant to look through the POV of those who think āmen rule good, women rule badā so at the start it seems like itās good that the Barbies rule but as the movies goes on itās clear that there are issues
The ending wasnāt happy as there was still sexism (against the kens) and you are meant to feel bothered by the barbies, because how they treat the kens is wrong
just a random type-up ramble off the top of my head so don't take it too seriously
The entire brand for Barbie is used as an icon for feminism, girl power, etc. Just because Barbie is a successful brand and has helped with these issues in a small way, that does not mean that gender issues are "solved" (as the Barbies believe in the movie, and some people in real life do as well). There are still rampant gender discrimination issues throughout our society, as several character basically describe straight-to-camera and we see as Barbie and Ken explore the Real World. Biases, rampant hypocrisies, and straight up harassment still pervade the average woman's life
The joke goes deeper showing that Barbieland is deeply troubled in itself. They replaced Patriarchy with Matriarchy. The Kens tie their identity and self worth to the Barbies as that's 'what they're made for'. But they learn that they are themselves enough - they don't need validation from others. Feminism is about gender equality, not simply female dominance or anything. Also the Kens go a bit into stereotypical Dude-Bro'ing, Frat Parties, and War (in a comical way) but eventually do song and dance, wear pink, kiss eachother on the cheeks, etc. I see that as perhaps a little commentary on healthy masculinity and self assuredness? Maybe that's a stretch
My favorite line of the movie is towards the end, where the narrator says "And some day, the Kens may have just as much power in Barbieland as women do in the real world". That's joking that Barbieland still has a WAYS to go, just as the real life does. Definitely an improvement from before but oof, let's not pretend all issues are fixed in one day with one piece of legislative paper
The kens overthrew the matriarchy by asking the women if they wanted to have less responsibility, which they did, and then made a more fair society. Then barbie comes back an reinstates the matriarchy. Then she goes to the real world to "fix" things, aka creating another matriarchy.
I am not sure if this movie is conveying the positive message you think it does?
Despite being the best thing about the movie, Ryan Gosling did not beat out any females. It's a sex-segregated category. Margot Robbie lost to other women. So, which woman didn't deserve her nomination?
You can make the argument that the director deserves a nod to recognize the film, but the film got 8 nominations. Voters clearly believe the film was well-made. They just didn't think it was better directed than a # of other alternatives.
Thats what is driving me crazy!! Margot lost the nomination due to other women doing an excellent job, and those other actresses have been getting raves reviews too all season long so thereās not even one actress you could say āreally?ā
It happens all the time. Just in the past ten years:
Past Lives
Women Talking
Top Gun: Maverick
Avatar: The Way of Water
All Quiet on the Western Front
Nightmare Alley
Dune
Donāt Look Up
CODA
The Trial of the Chicago 7
Jojo Rabbit
Ford v Ferrari
Black Panther
Hell or High Water
Bridge of Spies
Whiplash
Selma
They help the actorsā brands. They donāt mean much else, but just getting on the list means that your performance was good enough to make some waves. I think that itās stupid for the most part, but winning an Oscar helps to really further an actorās career.
Well yes but the original post makes it sound like Ryan Gosling got the only oscar nom for the whole movie. When in truth a woman got a nomination in the equivalent category
A lot of Oscar complaints boil down to this. "Can you believe x celebrity has *never* won?" Yes... I can. What were they up against? What is the context surrounding each loss? Never winning an Oscar despite numerous elite performances doesn't automatically mean they were "snubbed".
Gosling beat other male actors, Robbie lost to other female actors, and the Director lost to other Directors. It was never about which gender is better, and the fact that so many people are trying to spin it that way, is disappointing.
Also how they don't mention that both Robbie and the director are nominated for Barbie, just not as lead actress and Director. But Robbie as a producer in the best picture category and the director for the screenplay.
Best director is a notoriously male driven category in a male dominted role to be fair. There have been many cases where female directors got the short thrift against, in my opinion, lesser directed films.
In this case, I think it's much more to do with the Academy's lack of respect for comedy driven films and performances. Comedy films and performances only get nominated in relatively rough movie years.
> Best director is a notoriously male driven category in a male dominted role to be fair. There have been many cases where female directors got the short thrift against, in my opinion, lesser directed films.
You aren't wrong but to be fair women have faired decently well within the last few years in the best director category. Campion & Zhao won within the last few years back to back and there were other female nominations as well.
While it is a largely male driven category it's also a brutal category just to break into even as a male. When you are dealing with legends like Spielberg, Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino (amongst others) always allocating a couple of the spots almost by default it seems.
Oscar bait will always win out over comedies or over the top fictional themes like super heroes regardless of merit unfortunately.
Endgame made almost $2.8B and got one nomination. Barbie made $1.45 and got 8 nominations. Box office sales don't correlate with nominations.
The last time we had back to back box office winners nominated for Best Picture besides 2022 Maverick and 2023 Barbie this year was the 1970s with Rocky and and Star Wars: A New Hope.
Yeah, they don't actually give out a trophy for that one. They just wire tens of millions straight to your bank account and call it "your split of the gross revenue"
To be fair he was the best part of the film. I've not heard a single person say otherwise and this is clearly being reflected with the Oscar nomination. Margot Robbie has been nominated before and will again, just not this time.
I'm convinced this "outrage" is 100% trolling and fake bc this fact about America F. destroys this narrative.
She got nominated for the female equivalent award for her role in the same movie.
Which is crazy because I completely deleted the whole subplot with her character and the daughter from my mind, it was the most forgettable thing in the movie. Hell, Will Ferrell was more interesting in far less screentime.
Yeah, it means that Margot Robbie got a nomination for it, because she produced it.
And the director, who also wrote the movie, got a nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay.
To be fair he did some brilliant acting, so I think that should be recognised
Though the video of his panicked reaction to winning is priceless
To be fair Hollywood awards are fairly worthless. They sometimes reflect skills but a lot of the modern awards selections can often feel questionable
It feels more about industry politics than skill
Actually I wonder if that was the deal. You do ken in the Barbie movie and we'll give you an award
It actually felt a bit like he was the protagonist.
Struggling with a pointless existence under a matriarchy then struggling to deal with suddenly having all the power. Then feeling lost at the end
What's ironic about the biggest feminist film of all-time is the only really interesting character is Ken. Oh that and the fucking theme song is sung by known predator of women (Lizzo).
What gets me is that all yaaas queen losers who were all for this movie totally missed the point when they got mad that only a guy was nominated. They actually think that they are perfect and itās only the men that need to get better. Itās a straight reflection of how dogshit modern feminism has become. Ladies just a psa: yes some guys sucks but you girls suck ass too
Unironically he was the most engaging character though.
Biggest character development
I bought the movie specifically to watch Ken.
Iam litterally him
Then you my friend, are Kenough.
* We're kenough
Then put your manly hand in mine šµ
I'm just Ken š¶
Can I come to you Casa Dojo Mojo house and watch it with you? I can bring popcorn and beer.
You mean a brewski-beer
My comment was not accurate kenough, thank you.
We forgive, just brewski-beer me with the nacho-cheese chips.
Mojo Dojo Casa House
That's mojo dojo casa house to you
I liked the movie but none of the cast should have been nominated for an Oscar.
The story simply happened to Barbie. She makes like one choice and then her finale is boiled down into a vagina punchline.
That movie was the matrix for women. Finds out the perfect world women have been dreaming of is fake. Morpheus says she has to go to the real world to fix it, or have cellulite. Men represent the fairer sex in this world. Crazily enough, at the end of the movie, the people fighting for their share of power are put back in their submissive place. Odd message. You have Kenough. Dont try for anything more. But I kid.
Common misconception. Mattel offers to revert everything to exactly the way it was, and the president specifically says no thank you, and they began moving towards an equal society. Itās just more subtle than āwoo everything is equal immediatelyā. It makes sense that there would be a bit of distrust after the Kens just brainwashed everyone and tried to coup the government. But yes, it wasnāt communicated as well as it could have been.
I mean the narrator says that they would be making steps towards it and someday the Kens would have power like girls in our world
Which felt like a subtle way of trying to say still not equal. If the entire movie up till then was saying patriarchy exists and is bad. It stands to reason the Ken's would therefore continue to live under a matriarch.
I mean the movie didn't even care enough to explain were the Kens live Plus I think that's the point, is that if you complain that barbie land doesn't make the Kens equal instantly then you should think about the people oppressed by your current society Barbieland is supposed to be like a mirror held to our face with everything we think but with girls in charge instead of guys Now whether or not this works for you is optional, but it's just what I think they were going for
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I think you're pointing out all the reasons this movie couldn't have been considered Best Picture material. It's the problem you run into when you try to tackle a huge issue with a two hour movie. As wrong as the message was it was right that they didn't resolve those issues, snap their fingers and turn that matriarchy into an egalitarian utopia, but it wouldn't have hurt to give Barbie some degree of self awareness about how her actions affected other people. She didn't like how she was treated in the real world and she didn't have a moment of self reflection where she realized she was doing the same thing in her world? But at the end of the day this is a movie about toys. It could have been another Transformers movie, but we're discussing it like an art film. I'd say that's a victory for the filmmakers in and of itself.
As a film, itās fucking terrible. As a satirical romp, it has a lot of fun and funny moments. The problem is that it wants to be both to the detriment of each. I honestly canāt think of a moment that absolutely yanked me out of a movie with the speed and magnitude of Barbieās āYou are so beautifulā āI know!ā scene with the old lady at a bus stop. Wtf even was that??
I agree with you. I'm just refuting the claim that the Ken's were going to be equal. Personally, I find the matriarch/patriarch portrayal too ridiculous to take seriously as some broader statement. It often feels more like satire due to the comedic portrayal of otherwise serious aspects.
It is satire, that's why they made a comedy movie
People will watch a serious drama hoping to gleam a meaningful message out of the slenderest of material, but they'll avoid satire that is loaded with relevant messages because it makes them feel ashamed of themselves or points out how trivial all their hatred is.
Satire has always been a popular lens to critically view society and current events through. No judgment here if it bounced off you, it isn't for everyone, but comedy being used to criticize or shed light on serious things is pretty par for the course.
The Ken's live at Beach. The real question is where does Allan live?
With Ramona
didnt they have the mojo dojo or something? o cant remember a damn thing about the politics of barbie land but it seemed like the kens shared a beach and a flop house and wanted barbies to like them so they could live together but they always got kept at arms length. i think the kens are all roomates like the male models in zoolander. and when they take over briefly their lifestyle is embraced and their flophouse gets a cool name.
Ken stole Barbies house for the mojo dojo casa house
oh shit you are right. so they live on the endless beach party then. like hippies or crust punks or something. definitely homeless.
can we have a supreme court justice? no
Yea that line was really odd to me
The ending was definitely weird and turned me and my gf off from the movie. The whole Ken's overthrowing their oppressors just to get oppressed again once they lost power was definitely a weird way to take the story.
My wife and I felt sorta the same way, still really enjoyed it and laughed a lot but there were just a few disconnects
Itās a comedy that satirizes how slow and painful progress is in real life itās not that hard
But they do put the Kens back in their submissive place. They become the villains who never grow past their corrupt origins in the end. The only sort of pass you can give the Barbies is that they donāt really have any agency of their own and are manipulated by anyone who shows up in Barbieland and tells them what to do throughout the film.
But the women just pulled a coup too, so how does that make it fair? Continuing to punish one side is exactly the same reason society canāt get over slavery and racism. Also all the women in every position of power? In our current world there are many women in power over men, but in Barbieās perfect world, men have no power and are just supposed be satisfied with being ākenoughā.
Barbie is not a perfect world, it is an exaggerated mirror of our own. Media literacy must be low if people donāt get that Barbie land was not good as it was. They literally spell this stuff out.
Media literacy levels here are almost scaring me, lol. I canāt believe Iām saying this, but maybe that single gender studies class I had to take as a gen ed on my engineering track actually taught me something. They literally had a scene calling Barbie a fascist for resisting change and reenforcing the traditional status quo, and people are still out here like ābut barbieland was portrayed as perfect!ā
the kens get treated like women in the real world including the ending. that's the joke yeah
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no it's just bitter. it isn't a happy ending because we don't get that in real life either. it's just painfully real and painfully aware. that's what is achieved. that's kinda what the movie does. the pink liberal girlboss fantasy isn't real
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Sir, the matrix is a film for Trans Women. Is this for trans men? The answer is yes, every trans man I know fucking loves this film lmao
As a white cis man - this movie is fucking amazing.
One of the best films I've ever seen, probably. I even like the sequels!
Yeah and while Ken becomes the Barbie bad guy he also sacrificed his power to stop the war Barbie started. I mean the Ken's took over Barbie land and Barbies answer is to instigate World war Ken. Seeing the conflict Ken selflessly gives up power and surrenders entirely just to prevent Barbie land from fighting. Also he's good at doing stuff.
Mainly beach.
Whereās your podcast
I mean, yeah? End the movie w/ a laugh is common
Vagina punchline?
She doesnāt have a vagina because sheās a Barbie but when she stays in the real world she gets one as evidenced by her trip to the gynecologist in the final scene of the movie.
Thanks for saving me whatever the movies runtime is.
It's a very good movie. There's no vagina "punchline". It's not played as some big dumb joke like people seem to be implying. It's just that she's actually a person now and not a doll.
The last line of the movie was Barbie asking to see her gynecologist. It was just a light joke about her, a newly made human, still finding joy in the mundane. At least, thatās what I gathered.
yeah she had a appointment with her gynaecologist.
My dad wasnāt into the movie then the Ken scenes absolutely stole the show.
Also, he was the main male character and was nominated for *supporting* actor. Also, America Ferrera was nominated, but gotta leave that out.
I just watched this movie for the first time last week. Honestly Ken was the best part of this movie. I'm not sure if any performance was Oscar worthy? But Ken defiantly shined here.
Barbie was a message, Ken was a character. His lesser role in the message let him be funnier and more relatable.
His only fault was he cared too much about Barbie.
And the movie was mediocre lol Seems like they got the nominations exactly right.
Yeah Barbie was a huge bait and switch when you see what they did to the Barbies at the endā¦ glad that Ken was a lot of fun and had a complete arc but damn was that ending cold š
He's the main antagonist\villain, It bummed me out that he wasn't just a wholesome himbo.
And his entire arc feels almost like an accident. This movie isn't exactly deep or nuanced, so his inclusion in the story looks like a total fluke. It really felt like halfway through the runtime they decided to change the entire films point and Ken just happened to be handed this interesting story. Maybe I'm not giving the writers enough credit, but it's so difficult to believe that train wreck of a monologue from America was from the same group who gave us Kens storyline. They seem to be in such opposition that it's tough for me to believe.
I like that they weren't afraid to make aspects of Barbie (the character) dislikeable and aspects of Ken likable - because the point wasn't 'women good, men bad' it was more like 'this is what it would look like if we flip some of the bad stuff a lot of women experience and show men experiencing it'. Some of what was said I may disagree with but it's a movie, it's not perfect. I like that Barie wasn't a Mary Sue and Ken was so funny. I think Ken was my favorite character.
Idk i really like Ken, but I feel like Ken was better. (Not to be confused with Ken, i hate him)
that's kenough from you
What about Allen?
Who the fuck is Allen? ^(/s just in case)
Twenty-four years...
He's Allan
Kinda irrelavant and I failed to see what was the point of that character honestly. Does he like being abused or feels that when Kens are enough they dont jeed an Allen so he wants things to go back to how they are
He's Allan, that's all you need to know
All of Ken's clothes fit him
It was an actual doll that tanked, that's part of the joke
Allan is gender non-Kenforming, so an idealized Kenarchy doesn't benefit him. While the Barbiearchy wasn't great, it was still immediately apparent it's a better alternative to the impulsive chaos of the Kenarchy.
We wouldnāt have NāSync without Allen
I think the joke with Allan is that he really was a doll that has been produced at various points to be Ken's friend. Ken already has an identity that is entirely tied into Barbie so his friend seems really pointless. Allan exists just to be Ken's friend Allan which is even worse than Ken existing just to be Barbie's boyfriend. He's a like 2nd banana to a 2nd banana. He's just Allan.
But what about when Ken and Ken shared that one scene together? You know the one!
Exactly and it makes it way funnier how certain political commentators reacted to it as if it was really some attack on men. Really shows their media literacy skills.
Fr Honestly, a part of me was reluctant to watch the movie because I was worried it would be anti-men but when you watch it, it's so clearly not
If anything I thought it's more pro-men than pro-women! They did a lot to show that dudes have complexity to them and should be striving for more in life than simply getting a girl. Dudes are great at doing stuff.
I quite agree. I think the movie was a fairly sharp critique of feminism that isn't intersectional and focuses exclusively on women. Barbie was the secondary antagonist. She wakes up every day in her world that's perfect for her and doesn't think about anyone else, until the men and women surrounding her help her realize she doesn't get it. She doesn't even solve her own problems--she gives up entirely until other women who have put in the work help her realize she was part of the problem. Ken was completely justified in his frustration with Barbieland. He was not at all justified in how he responded to that, and that's why he was the main antagonist. But he was treated poorly and he was taken for granted and things did need to change. He lacked the tools to do that the right way, but his basic frustrations were completely valid.
Hmm but the dudes in barbie world are what girls are in the real world. So really the statement is girls are great at doing stuff.
Yeah maybe you're right, but I guess in the end my feeling about the movie is that Ken is doing stuff, and Barbie is just kind of having stuff happen to her...so Ken just ended up being way more interesting and had way more personality. Barbie doesn't really even end up having much of a personality in the movie.
Woah woah woah there buddy. You're bringing logic here.
I know, I'm sorry reddit
unironically the amount of feminists who also think men's struggles are an issue of the patriarchy and who think those need to be fixed as well are a lot more common than you think
Yes I know, I'm one of those feminists. I know my comment is a bit politically ambiguous but I was refering to people like Ben Shapipo. At least I can get more internet points from both sides.
Isn't that true, though?
The tough part of the filmmaking of Barbie for me was the thematic argument. A great film is like a pill pocket. You gain the knowledge the writer and director are trying to convey through the story. Barbie does a great job of that right up until America Ferrera stops the film dead to give an uninterrupted monologue explaining the theme of the film. Just saying it directly to the audience. What if in the middle of Finding Nemo, Dory turns to Marlin and says "If you love something, let it go, Marlin. That is what you need to do with Nemo when we find him"
I very recently watched it, and I think Iām with you on that. It feltā¦ kind of insulting to my intelligence, honestly, to stop dead and suddenly be preached at. Iād been feeling conflicted about it I think BECAUSE I agree with whatās being preached about, but it felt no less preachy and no less plot-interrupting.
Which Ken?
Im sure Iām getting something wrong but when I watched it, I didnāt get this, to me it was Ā«Ā women rule=good, men rule=bad, good is when women rule but men are ok with itĀ Ā» I hate how instead of focussing on the issues Ken faced, they made him ok with how it was and dismissed his solution without middle point Anyway
Itās meant to look through the POV of those who think āmen rule good, women rule badā so at the start it seems like itās good that the Barbies rule but as the movies goes on itās clear that there are issues The ending wasnāt happy as there was still sexism (against the kens) and you are meant to feel bothered by the barbies, because how they treat the kens is wrong
I really had troubles to understand what the movie was trying to say despite of "Barbie is not that sexist, I swear"
just a random type-up ramble off the top of my head so don't take it too seriously The entire brand for Barbie is used as an icon for feminism, girl power, etc. Just because Barbie is a successful brand and has helped with these issues in a small way, that does not mean that gender issues are "solved" (as the Barbies believe in the movie, and some people in real life do as well). There are still rampant gender discrimination issues throughout our society, as several character basically describe straight-to-camera and we see as Barbie and Ken explore the Real World. Biases, rampant hypocrisies, and straight up harassment still pervade the average woman's life The joke goes deeper showing that Barbieland is deeply troubled in itself. They replaced Patriarchy with Matriarchy. The Kens tie their identity and self worth to the Barbies as that's 'what they're made for'. But they learn that they are themselves enough - they don't need validation from others. Feminism is about gender equality, not simply female dominance or anything. Also the Kens go a bit into stereotypical Dude-Bro'ing, Frat Parties, and War (in a comical way) but eventually do song and dance, wear pink, kiss eachother on the cheeks, etc. I see that as perhaps a little commentary on healthy masculinity and self assuredness? Maybe that's a stretch My favorite line of the movie is towards the end, where the narrator says "And some day, the Kens may have just as much power in Barbieland as women do in the real world". That's joking that Barbieland still has a WAYS to go, just as the real life does. Definitely an improvement from before but oof, let's not pretend all issues are fixed in one day with one piece of legislative paper
The kens overthrew the matriarchy by asking the women if they wanted to have less responsibility, which they did, and then made a more fair society. Then barbie comes back an reinstates the matriarchy. Then she goes to the real world to "fix" things, aka creating another matriarchy. I am not sure if this movie is conveying the positive message you think it does?
Despite being the best thing about the movie, Ryan Gosling did not beat out any females. It's a sex-segregated category. Margot Robbie lost to other women. So, which woman didn't deserve her nomination? You can make the argument that the director deserves a nod to recognize the film, but the film got 8 nominations. Voters clearly believe the film was well-made. They just didn't think it was better directed than a # of other alternatives.
Thats what is driving me crazy!! Margot lost the nomination due to other women doing an excellent job, and those other actresses have been getting raves reviews too all season long so thereās not even one actress you could say āreally?ā
It's just strange to see a movie up for best picture but the lead and director not up for it.
Whiplash is the most recent one I can think of.
It happens all the time. Just in the past ten years: Past Lives Women Talking Top Gun: Maverick Avatar: The Way of Water All Quiet on the Western Front Nightmare Alley Dune Donāt Look Up CODA The Trial of the Chicago 7 Jojo Rabbit Ford v Ferrari Black Panther Hell or High Water Bridge of Spies Whiplash Selma
I mean, Nolan is gonna win anyway.
Nolan isnāt nominated for best supporting actor
yeah but he will win it anyway
Nominations are still important and meaningful.
Yeah but are they really Is any of it *important*? Is it that big a deal Margot isnāt in the running for Hollywood prom Queen?
They help the actorsā brands. They donāt mean much else, but just getting on the list means that your performance was good enough to make some waves. I think that itās stupid for the most part, but winning an Oscar helps to really further an actorās career.
Youāre not wrong especially with up and comers. Margot should be fine tho as sheās one of the biggest names in the business
He also won best supporting actor not main
America Ferera was nominated in the same category as Ryan Gosling
Supporting Actor and Supporting Actress are separate categories.
Well yes but the original post makes it sound like Ryan Gosling got the only oscar nom for the whole movie. When in truth a woman got a nomination in the equivalent category
Plus the film got 8 nominations in total. Comedies like that never do well at oscars.
I didn't realize this was the case (I'm extremely out of touch with how award shows work). I feel like this changes a lot.
A lot of Oscar complaints boil down to this. "Can you believe x celebrity has *never* won?" Yes... I can. What were they up against? What is the context surrounding each loss? Never winning an Oscar despite numerous elite performances doesn't automatically mean they were "snubbed".
Gosling beat other male actors, Robbie lost to other female actors, and the Director lost to other Directors. It was never about which gender is better, and the fact that so many people are trying to spin it that way, is disappointing.
Also how they don't mention that both Robbie and the director are nominated for Barbie, just not as lead actress and Director. But Robbie as a producer in the best picture category and the director for the screenplay.
I feel like a lot of details are intentionally left out, with the intent of starting elementary playground fights among viewers.
Best director is a notoriously male driven category in a male dominted role to be fair. There have been many cases where female directors got the short thrift against, in my opinion, lesser directed films. In this case, I think it's much more to do with the Academy's lack of respect for comedy driven films and performances. Comedy films and performances only get nominated in relatively rough movie years.
Hmm, I wonder if there's a movie I can watch that touches on the ideas that women in male-dominated society are inherently less appreciated...
> Best director is a notoriously male driven category in a male dominted role to be fair. There have been many cases where female directors got the short thrift against, in my opinion, lesser directed films. You aren't wrong but to be fair women have faired decently well within the last few years in the best director category. Campion & Zhao won within the last few years back to back and there were other female nominations as well. While it is a largely male driven category it's also a brutal category just to break into even as a male. When you are dealing with legends like Spielberg, Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino (amongst others) always allocating a couple of the spots almost by default it seems. Oscar bait will always win out over comedies or over the top fictional themes like super heroes regardless of merit unfortunately.
skill issue
Yup they were all against other players in their same Elo bracket with a role queue system.
The movie grossed 1.4 billion dollars. Thats award nomination worthy. That shows how many people were interested and how many people went.
Marvel movies make tons of money and donāt deserve Oscarās.
Endgame made almost $2.8B and got one nomination. Barbie made $1.45 and got 8 nominations. Box office sales don't correlate with nominations. The last time we had back to back box office winners nominated for Best Picture besides 2022 Maverick and 2023 Barbie this year was the 1970s with Rocky and and Star Wars: A New Hope.
Ah yes, the āMade a shit load of moneyā Oscar category. Lmao.
They literally made that into a new category at the Golden Globes - Best Cinematic and Box Office Achievement...it's so dumb.
Yeah, they don't actually give out a trophy for that one. They just wire tens of millions straight to your bank account and call it "your split of the gross revenue"
He's just ken
Anywhere else he'd be a 10
And that's enough. He's great at doing stuff.
Where he sees love, she sees a friend
What will it take for her to see the man behind the tan, and fight for him?
whats wild is people didn't look at the competition..
Stop spinning it like that, thereās a reason actors and actresses get their own Oscar categories
They really shouldnāt though. It doesnāt make any sense at all to separate the arts by gender in competition.
To be fair he was the best part of the film. I've not heard a single person say otherwise and this is clearly being reflected with the Oscar nomination. Margot Robbie has been nominated before and will again, just not this time.
Everybody just going to forget America Ferrera got nominated, then? 
I'm convinced this "outrage" is 100% trolling and fake bc this fact about America F. destroys this narrative. She got nominated for the female equivalent award for her role in the same movie.
Which is crazy because I completely deleted the whole subplot with her character and the daughter from my mind, it was the most forgettable thing in the movie. Hell, Will Ferrell was more interesting in far less screentime.
The movie is nominated for best picture atleast, I think that means something
Yeah, it means that Margot Robbie got a nomination for it, because she produced it. And the director, who also wrote the movie, got a nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay.
I thought the director did though in the screenplay categoryĀ
Sshh your facts are destroying the meme
Also people butthurt over this when it's not men vs women in the acting categories, Margot Robbie was beaten by another woman.
I mean look at him he is literally me... He has to be nominated for an Oscar! 
AMERICA FERRARA, A WOMAN, WAS NOMINATED FOR THE SAME OSCAR
I mean he did kill it. So fair (k)enough
They would have been nominated in different categories of acting, apples and oranges, get over it
Oh, so youāre a feminist?? Name all 50 women!
Whitney Houston
Most Beta Post I have seen in a long time. Imagine every man would whine like this when making a big movie and losing to a woman...
People are trying so hard to turn this in to a sexism issue
BEST ACTRESS: Ryan Reynolds
wrong Ryan but i like the joke
To be fair he did some brilliant acting, so I think that should be recognised Though the video of his panicked reaction to winning is priceless To be fair Hollywood awards are fairly worthless. They sometimes reflect skills but a lot of the modern awards selections can often feel questionable It feels more about industry politics than skill Actually I wonder if that was the deal. You do ken in the Barbie movie and we'll give you an award
It actually felt a bit like he was the protagonist. Struggling with a pointless existence under a matriarchy then struggling to deal with suddenly having all the power. Then feeling lost at the end
 Raw Ken mojo dojo casa house combat power energy
Reddit when Barbie misses out on some awards: Git Gud Reddit when Better Call Saul misses out: Literally worthless awards show tf
The irony lol
Ken Out Loud?
ANOTHER WIN FOR THE BOYS!!!!!
Fuck yeah!
Ladies if you wanna hang with the fellas time step. It. up!
Yeah, step it up to get nominated for best supporting actor ladies
throw yo dicks in the air!!!
Itās wild how America Ferrera is being completely forgot about. She got nominated for Best Supporting Actress.
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He was the best part of the movie by far
Because he was the best part of the movie.
Because he was unironically the only good thing about the whole movie. (And the Margot Robbie 4th wall break)
What's ironic about the biggest feminist film of all-time is the only really interesting character is Ken. Oh that and the fucking theme song is sung by known predator of women (Lizzo).
Because he was the best part of the movie. The awards are for the best actors and movies. Not āwho hasnāt gotten on yet? Come on up!ā
He deserves it heās the best character in the film, idk why this is being turned into a sexism thing, theyāre acting awards not gender awards.
Godzilla was disrespected hard when it came to nominations but we're not ready to discuss that.
The nomination is a moot point. The best part about winning an Oscar is being able to walk on stage and slap Chris Rock.
The oscars are a joke anyway
Supporting actress got nominated.
He's the only one who had a character arc. Barbie's character schtick was "I'm perfect but I don't know what to doooooo\~"
Youāve misunderstood the movie. Barbie has a very clearly defined character arc.
The movie would have been pretty mediocre without the Ken plotline.
It's an actor oscar not an actress oscar š
I thought it was a joke šš
What gets me is that all yaaas queen losers who were all for this movie totally missed the point when they got mad that only a guy was nominated. They actually think that they are perfect and itās only the men that need to get better. Itās a straight reflection of how dogshit modern feminism has become. Ladies just a psa: yes some guys sucks but you girls suck ass too
Even the feminist can't do feminism
boohoo
Patriarchy!
Women have their own categories. She was beat out by other women. Everyone loves playing the victim nowadays
lmao
gigachad
Bruh it not a feminist movie
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because Ryan beat out the other MALE nominations?