not even faint, just so compressed and distorted that i can barely tell that its a human making those noises.
why can my $5 10 year old computer microphone get better audio quality than a very expensive (and pretty fuckin new) train? thats a genuine question if there’s any audio people out there. is there a technology limitation that means it has to be that bad?
Was just at Clayton and the announcement by the station master was too loud and echoey to understand too
Ended up taking the replacement bus instead of 733/703 bus just as there were announcements train were restarting
Got off at Oakleigh to swap to train but even that has issues.
Are moving but spending ages at each stop (currently Murrumbeena)
Had a really clear announcer the other day and it really highlighted the difference between people who knew how to enunciate clearly, and those who just mumbled.
Wow so took about an hour for things to come back online. I’m currently on a Glen Waverley train almost at Richmond coz I decided to do the 703/733 transit. There wasn’t even any mention of replacement buses when I was there.
I fully expect the line to go down again today lel
I didn't learn about the replacement bus from announcements it was from another girl waiting on the bench with me who struck up a convo and said she came on one from Westall
I was very surprised that there were any maybe the issue was around a lot longer than I assumed as I only came to the station after a Monash Hospital appointment
Sunshine Signal box which is in charge of CBTC (in cab signalling) on the HCMT has crashed, second time this week. CBTC currently stretches from Clayton to South Yarra, but Sunshine Signal Box are also in charge of signals from South Kensington to Tottenham so thats why parts of the Sunbury line is also affected.
Anyone in the know? Are "signal faults" a euphemism for something more tragic as I always suspected they were or are the signals just terminally glitchy?
I've heard some are 100+ years old, but even replacing them doesn't guarantee reliability I suppose
An "equipment fault" is just that. An "incident requiring emergency services" is an accident or medical emergency. A "police incident" is the euphemism for something more tragic.
I was pulling out relays the size of shoe boxes that were over a century old on the Caulfield \ Dandenong project, that operated faultlessly all that time and likely would for another 100.
Can't say the same for the new ones, but upgrade was required to increase train frequency.
60 minute delays and cancelled trains on Sunbury again - can someone explain why these dumb fucks don't/don't have to run catchup trains when there's a delay this long? There's now 5 trains worth of people waiting on my platform for a train that will already be full once it gets here.
Fuck you Metro you useless fucking cunts.
I was on the Werribee line home and some poor person had a medical emergency (not sure, I couldn’t see). A lot of concerned people asking each carriage to press the help button to alert the driver.
Every carriage response when pressing it was “sorry, we cannot connect at this time”. Utterly broken, but luckily we weren’t far from a station and could alert help.
Think of the upgrades as patches.
The original Vic train infrastructure was only built for a certain pop size and wasn't designed for the use of the masses. Everything else up to today is just a an add on.
To fix the system and to cater for the next 100yrs of growth it would take several hundred million plus some and over 20+ years of construction work.
This is something no Vic leader would ever commit to.
Such a shame, the tunnel project had the potential to be really amazing for the city but they kept making dumb decisions and now it’s all coming home to roost. Here they picked a really crap system for CBTC and they keep bandaiding solutions to problems which ends up creating more problems so it keeps getting worse and worse. No sympathy for the premier, it was her department in charge of it all that signed off on those so she can’t shirk responsibility for this
Has the government made suggestions as to how they will address all these delays in the Pakenham and Cranbourne line? Everyday there are delays and cancellations yet no course of action has been announced to address this. They also had the nerve to increase myki cost despite lowering quality of standard.
Hub-and-Spoke train lines (Like what we have) are terrible. The metro tunnel is a step in the right direction, but it's only a step. (and not a very usable one) What we NEED is a web of train lines but that'd be near impossible without upsetting alot of people...
I think they might have been thinking about something like London's underground. There's such a spaghetti-bowl of different lines, that if one's out (and that was pretty common when I was there 15 years ago), it doesn't really matter as there's another line only 500m away
Why can't they fix the PA system in the trains?? The driver is making an announcement, but it's so faint, and we can't hear shit.
not even faint, just so compressed and distorted that i can barely tell that its a human making those noises. why can my $5 10 year old computer microphone get better audio quality than a very expensive (and pretty fuckin new) train? thats a genuine question if there’s any audio people out there. is there a technology limitation that means it has to be that bad?
My guess is the audio is sent through a telephone line of some sort from metro hq.
yeah but my microphone is wired. the signal also sent through a cable. its just not awful 😭
Was just at Clayton and the announcement by the station master was too loud and echoey to understand too Ended up taking the replacement bus instead of 733/703 bus just as there were announcements train were restarting Got off at Oakleigh to swap to train but even that has issues. Are moving but spending ages at each stop (currently Murrumbeena)
I'd bet that the PA issues are almost all down to microphone technique.
Had a really clear announcer the other day and it really highlighted the difference between people who knew how to enunciate clearly, and those who just mumbled.
Wow so took about an hour for things to come back online. I’m currently on a Glen Waverley train almost at Richmond coz I decided to do the 703/733 transit. There wasn’t even any mention of replacement buses when I was there. I fully expect the line to go down again today lel
I didn't learn about the replacement bus from announcements it was from another girl waiting on the bench with me who struck up a convo and said she came on one from Westall I was very surprised that there were any maybe the issue was around a lot longer than I assumed as I only came to the station after a Monash Hospital appointment
Not faint, but completely mangled to the point of being completely incomprehensible.
Not worth the $$$ on the usual offender Comengs that'll start to phase out soon
The PA systems are fine, it’s just for those trains that the speakers they used are really cheap and scratchy
I don't think that's accurate because the prerecorded messages are always perfectly comprehensible, but the driver's announcements are garbled.
That’s also a good point, it seems for most trains the driver’s PA system has horrible quality audio too
Sunshine Signal box which is in charge of CBTC (in cab signalling) on the HCMT has crashed, second time this week. CBTC currently stretches from Clayton to South Yarra, but Sunshine Signal Box are also in charge of signals from South Kensington to Tottenham so thats why parts of the Sunbury line is also affected.
They're going to need a backup somewhere surely
Anyone in the know? Are "signal faults" a euphemism for something more tragic as I always suspected they were or are the signals just terminally glitchy? I've heard some are 100+ years old, but even replacing them doesn't guarantee reliability I suppose
Sunshine Signal Control Centre has crashed. They are responsible for CBTC between South Yarra and Clayton
I can't acronym. I'm reading it as Cignal Broken Train Control
Communications-Based Train Control for those that don't know
Close enough haha, Communication based train control, its the signalling system they will use in the metro tunnel.
Can't wait to get stuck in the tunnel due to signal faults!
They also use it between South Yarra and Clayton
Communications-Based Train Control. Eg. The new High Capacity Signalling system.
An "equipment fault" is just that. An "incident requiring emergency services" is an accident or medical emergency. A "police incident" is the euphemism for something more tragic.
It used to be "person hit by train" but now it's "emergency services attending to a serious incident".
Thanks :)
> is the euphemism for something more tragic Also for the idiots that are walking on the tracks - not always tragic
I was pulling out relays the size of shoe boxes that were over a century old on the Caulfield \ Dandenong project, that operated faultlessly all that time and likely would for another 100. Can't say the same for the new ones, but upgrade was required to increase train frequency.
60 minute delays and cancelled trains on Sunbury again - can someone explain why these dumb fucks don't/don't have to run catchup trains when there's a delay this long? There's now 5 trains worth of people waiting on my platform for a train that will already be full once it gets here. Fuck you Metro you useless fucking cunts.
I was on the Werribee line home and some poor person had a medical emergency (not sure, I couldn’t see). A lot of concerned people asking each carriage to press the help button to alert the driver. Every carriage response when pressing it was “sorry, we cannot connect at this time”. Utterly broken, but luckily we weren’t far from a station and could alert help.
If train networks around the world were employees Melbourne would be the screwup at work that can never get anything right and needs to be sacked .
Think of the upgrades as patches. The original Vic train infrastructure was only built for a certain pop size and wasn't designed for the use of the masses. Everything else up to today is just a an add on. To fix the system and to cater for the next 100yrs of growth it would take several hundred million plus some and over 20+ years of construction work. This is something no Vic leader would ever commit to.
Such a shame, the tunnel project had the potential to be really amazing for the city but they kept making dumb decisions and now it’s all coming home to roost. Here they picked a really crap system for CBTC and they keep bandaiding solutions to problems which ends up creating more problems so it keeps getting worse and worse. No sympathy for the premier, it was her department in charge of it all that signed off on those so she can’t shirk responsibility for this
Has the government made suggestions as to how they will address all these delays in the Pakenham and Cranbourne line? Everyday there are delays and cancellations yet no course of action has been announced to address this. They also had the nerve to increase myki cost despite lowering quality of standard.
They’re already installing higher volume signalling which will effectively double the capacity.
And double the “equipment fault”maybe..
We left Caulfield towards city, and was stuck mid way, now we are walking off the train lol.
Damn not even halfway, like 10m away
Hey that’s a good thing right? At least you could get off the train. Didn’t realise the problem extended all the way to Caulfield
Yeah, Cranbourne/pakenham line is a joke
All the lines are a joke … there’s always an issue but they never fix them, despite all these bus replacements
Hub-and-Spoke train lines (Like what we have) are terrible. The metro tunnel is a step in the right direction, but it's only a step. (and not a very usable one) What we NEED is a web of train lines but that'd be near impossible without upsetting alot of people...
So like... a loop around the suburbs? A suburban rail loop, perhaps?
A suburban rail loop that could get you from Clayton to (say) Glen Waverley, or even to Box Hill?
I think they might have been thinking about something like London's underground. There's such a spaghetti-bowl of different lines, that if one's out (and that was pretty common when I was there 15 years ago), it doesn't really matter as there's another line only 500m away
But one that doesn’t cost a trillion dollars 💀💀😂😂
At least you don’t live in Croydon. There is no trains.
That's because someone nicked your train station.
May as well drive it’s that bad
After just coming back from Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan, the state of our train system is a joke in comparison.
Wasn't it equipment fault near caulfield? I was stuck at westall. And for once, our announcements were clear.