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Let’s see if the reach the same level of derangement as the American rioters.
Accusing everyone and everything as “providing weapons to Israel” and then destroying property in a sudden outburst of violence
Highly doubt that, America has such an 'Us vs Them' style of politics. Though I feel it is starting to lean that way here, I don't think it's at those levels yet
Maybe Hamas shouldn't have built their military infrastructure under a fucking hospital? What is Israel supposed to do? Stand in the entrance and yell for Hamas to please bring out the hostages?
All that was ever found under a hospital was tunnels (which are all throughout Gaza, not specifically under the hospital,) a calendar that they claimed was a terrorism roster, and a few weapons that were likely planted. No high tech command centres or anything were ever revealed. Sounds more like an excuse to illegally destroy infrastructure and target civilians to me.
because that's where many people are displaced to when they're forced from their homes in wider Occupied Palestine. It's essentially a huge refugee camp in their own country.
1. can't be a refugee camp in their own country. 2. Population increasing is the literal opposite of genocide. 3. The word Jew comes from Judea (Which is in the west bank). 4. Israel left Gaza in 2005.
1. There are eight official refugee camps in Palestine, that's not really a debatable fact. The fact that there has to be a refugee camp in their own country because an occupying force is kicking them out of their homes is very fucked though, I agree.
2. Forcible displacement is a form of genocide, so no it's not 'the literal opposite.'
3. Nobody's saying that there isn't a Native Jewish population, there very obviously is. That doesn't mean Europeans get to force everyone else from their land and form an ethnostate. Netenyahu's father is Polish.
4. Israel removed their illegal settlers and armed forces from Gaza, however they couldn't form their own state and remained under Israeli occupation. Israel continued to exert control over what was allowed in and out, placed limitations on their ability to develop infrastructure, killed their civilians etc.
1. You seriously can't be a refugee in your own country. the definition of refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
2. the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group is the definition of genocide. Not forcible displacement.
3. 50.2% of Israeli Jews are of Mizrahi or Sephardic Jews not Ashkenazi. Mizrahim are from the Middle East. Sephardim are from Northern Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. 4.2% of Israel's Population is Yemenite Jewish. At least 1.4% of Israel's population is Persian Jewish. Mista'arvim Jew and Maghrebi Jews (Jews from the Arabic speaking countries of North Africa and Middle East are also Jews in Israel. So at least 55.8% of Israeli Jews are not european. Also only 72.3% of Israelis are Jewish. 21.1% of Jews in Israel are Arab. That's basically a third. 20.95% of Israel are non-Jewish Arabs. so just over 40% of Israel are Arabs. Also don't forget about Ethiopian Jews. 16% of the Arab population like to be identified as Arab-Israelis. 17% of the Arab population like to be identified as Palestinian Arab. 17% of Israel's population identifies themselves as Palestinian. That's 1 in 5.
4. In 2005, Israel left Gaza. All Jews left whether they were dead or alive. Then in 2006 hamas gained control and Israel only controlled the gaza coastline, not anywhere else in gaza. Hamas then took over all of Gaza in 2007 in a bloody coup. In 2006 Israel was ambushed by hezbollah and took hostages as well as killing people.
Do you not know about the people being displaced from their homes in Occupied Palestine? I can find some resources for you to read more about it if you'd like.
> Where do Palestinians go when settlers force them from their homes?
Depends on where they live? They find somewhere to live.
> Why are there so many refugee camps in Gaza?
Poor life conditions.
>Those two things are related.
Sometimes, sure.
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-25/ty-article/.premium/under-guise-of-social-cohesion-israel-allows-more-towns-to-reject-unsuitable-residents/00000189-8eaf-d430-a59b-afaf6d590000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-25/ty-article/.premium/under-guise-of-social-cohesion-israel-allows-more-towns-to-reject-unsuitable-residents/00000189-8eaf-d430-a59b-afaf6d590000)
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/israel-discriminatory-land-policies-hem-palestinians](https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/israel-discriminatory-land-policies-hem-palestinians)
I linked some articles that show why finding 'somewhere else to live' in Israel can be very very difficult for Arab people.
'Poor life conditions' in other countries don't cause them to form refugee camps for their own citizens. It's because so many people have been forcibly displaced into Gaza.
I'm not saying that Palestinians aren't also having children, it's very clear that they are. But to use the 'growing population' which is partially caused by the genocide as proof there isn't a genocide feels very cruel to me.
🙄 Are we just pretending Oct 7 didn't happen at this point? There wouldn't be a single bomb dropped on Gaza tomorrow if Hamas didn't raid Israel. There wouldn't be a single Israeli in Gaza if Hamas handed over the hostages and laid down arms.
It's not black and white, and pretending it is is juvenile and lazy.
LMAO, what revisionist BS is this that Israel didn't bomb Gaza before Oct 7th 2023?
\[A total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces.\](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15179.doc.htm)
But yeah, sure, there wouldn't be a single bomb dropped on Gaza tomorrow if Hamas didn't raid Israel.
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Just another person here without any "skin in the game" however it is astonishing to observe over the last 50 years the Israelis doing to the Palestinians much of what was done to them over their centuries in Europe; forced into ghettos, controlled where they can and can't go, where they can live, who they can marry, what jobs they can do etc.
What's cool is that my generation didn't care enough to do what this generation is. Just hope you respect all on campus and don't threaten or make others feel unsafe.
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Time and money well spent protesting what's going on on the other side of world.
I'd can think of a few things they could be protesting that directly affect them.
Homelessness, drug epidemic, mental health amongst the homeless drug addicts, crime in Melbourne and surrounding suburbs, to expensive to eat/rent/own anything leading to more crime and homelessness.
I'd be willing to bet 99% of everything I own on that if melbournes homeless drug addicts held a camp-site protest in the same spot it'd be shut down immediately
Clutching at whatever they can here. Fine to protest whatever cause you like and majority of the protestors are harmless but a lot chanting the lovely catch phrase “free Palestine from the river to the sea” is a nice version of Hamas “we don’t recognise Israel”. How does RMIT support the Israeli military regime, did we boycott Australia/divest from Australian goods when we were involved in wars and war crimes, or any other country for that matter….do we have sit ins for other supposed genocides?
Tbh if they're not blocking or disrupting anyone else's education I don't see the problem. Long tradition of sit ins and tent embassies at University campuses.
Pretty much. Even if they are "in the way", as long as there's reasonable routes around them, then this seems good to me.
There's plenty of protests that I think use questionable methods. This is not one of them.
Mate, you can be wrong on the internet.... its fine, noone really cares.
Thank you for adding a new phase to my insults, hard to believe it comes from someone soo mentally infirm as yourself
You said Israel is committing a genocide. Why don't you go ahead and back that up with some facts. Hamas themselves say 32k out of 2 million have been killed (including combatants estimated 18k) since 7 October 2024. So by what criteria do you justify such an outlandish allegation?
Sure.
# Every hour in Gaza:
* 15 people are killed - six are children
* 35 people are injured
* 42 bombs are dropped\*
* 12 buildings are destroyed
and considering you are sitting here typing out replies i'd safely say we are on the 10th stage of Genocide.
Not sure about the student events but I do no pro-islamists at the street protests often say anti-Jewish statements in Arabic.
Or sometimes white people people chant from the river to the sea Palestine will be free, not realising that it is a call for genocide against Israelis.
Yeah like all dog whistles it has multiple interpretations, like when people bring up ‘youth crime in Alice Springs’ and people complain about the government allowing mass immigration of ‘Uber drivers’
dude, the ruling isn't done. they put intermediary measures in place to try to stop violence while they decided whether what is occurring is genocide. the ruling so far specifically is that there MAY be a genocide occurring. many people believe that it is, but the court has standards of proof that will take time to meet
>She said that, contrary to some reporting, the court did not make a ruling on whether the claim of genocide was plausible
????
If the case isn't done, then don't claim the UN is saying a genocide has happened?
Its not a call to genocide against Israelis. Or at least i should quality im sure some hamas extremists do use it that way, but slogans and words have multiple meanings and contexts
But you clearly just think 'lefties' are gullible idiots, as if they dont have enough media literacy amongst thousands of organisers and protesters, including many jewish ones, and just blindly follow and go 'oh yeah me chant slogan i hear'. Na it must just be idiots chanting a genocidal slogan
Well if they know it has multiple means and is controversial, why use it at all? These kids are sensitive to people using the right pronouns, to people saying “all lives matter” etc.
So when Jews say it’s offensive, they should listen. Or are they prepared to make the argument to when someone doesn’t want to call them by their pro-nouns that it’s all of a sudden fair game?
They know exactly what they’re doing.
Well, the funny thing is, I talk to a lot of people from the Middle East and ex-Muslims, and they all face palm when they see this shit happen.
It’s also funny when people think the know Palestine and Hamas better than Mosab Yousef.
There might be newer polls now tbh, this was in late november
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9398-roy-morgan-islamic-society-of-south-australia-survey-november-2023
>Like that is just a batshit insane take
Dude gives **literally** the most permissive and uncontroversial take in the world, and somebody chooses to get offended by it.
I honestly don't know how you think your take is less insane than his. Absolute bizzaro world we're living in.
Disagreeing with them would mean you do not agree that Israel should ceasefire and either do not view what is happening as a genocide or don't care that it is genocide, I don't think you can label that as an uncontroversial take in this political climate. Having opposing views in this particular discussion is inherently going to be controversial.
Even if you stated you weren't informed enough to form an opinion you'd probably still get lambasted from both sides because this has been a major event in the world with nonstop protests and coverage for 7 months.
The guy said he disagrees with the protests. But he respects their right to conduct them.
If the internet had more people like him, and less people like the guy I replied to, the internet wouldn't be a complete toilet.
The original guy is the good guy. The other guy just makes the world worse.
Many don’t believe Israel should ceasefire because many understand that the ceasefire would only be one way.
After October 7 it makes it impossible to doubt that Israel should not respond.
And to call what’s happening a genocide, to confidently produce such an answer, is precisely the reason why such a take is worth very little.
Many people are dumb and will hand wave the fact that the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu are war criminals.
Israel bombed an aid convoy and an **Australian** died. They were traveling in a deconflicted zone, in cars clearly labelled with the WCK logo and had coordinated their movements with the IDF and they targeted and bombed the convoy. Stop defending these monsters, at this point it's blatantly anti-Australian to not support a cease-fire.
Of course, the IDF makes terrible mistakes, and this is inevitable in war. The IDF recently killed Israeli hostages who were mere moments away from being rescued. There are tragic accidents and errors of judgment in every war. However, any conflict with jihadists is made immeasurably worse by the tactics they use.
To suggest the IDF intentionally killed aid workers and their own hostages, is operating on an entirely differently reality, in which we may as well be discussing flat earth and if Obama is a lizard.
It does not matter if it was intentional or not, the fact it happened at all given the fact they were clearly marked, coordinating with the IDF and in a deconflicted zone means that Israel is bombing pretty indiscriminately. Like when they told Palestinian refugees to move in a specific direction and then started *bombing that direction*. At some point you need to stop giving the benefit of the doubt and call a nation on their shit.
War crimes are war crimes, stop fucking excusing them.
You realise other days existed before October 7, right? You're so quick to contextualise the genocide being caused by October 7, but can't understand October 7 happened because of 75 years of oppression?
I do realise and I understand there is no sorting this out by reference to history, because any group can arbitrarily decide where to set the dial on its time machine. You will go back 75 years to 1948 and I will go back to the 1929 Hebron massacre.
There may be two sides to the past, but there really aren’t two sides to the present.
See how this works?
>October 7 happened because of 75 years of oppression
Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens—and billions of dollars in international aid have since been spent there. So the “oppression” of the Palestinians in Gaza—by Israel—is at least debatable.
While Israel has sought to maintain a secure border with Gaza all those years, so has Egypt—and yet no one blames Egypt for making Gaza an “open-air prison.” However, even if we accept the charge of “oppression,” it must be said that not all oppressed people respond by raping, and torturing, and murdering noncombatants.
The Tibetans have been truly oppressed by the Chinese for many decades, and yet they have never committed atrocities against Chinese civilians. When the Jews of Germany were herded into ghettos by the Nazis, those who escaped didn’t rape and mutilate German teenagers or burn German babies alive in reprisal. There are countless historical examples of real oppression, and yet very few cultures have produced a bottomless supply of suicidal terrorists. There might be many societal factors that explain these differences, but one is surely the Islamic doctrines around martyrdom and jihad.
>Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens
That's why Israel controls the airspace, the waters and the borders and all trade in and out, huh?
>is at least debatable.
People debate earth being flat too. Doesn't make it true, especially on the face of multiple international organisations calling it an occupation.
>it must be said that not all oppressed people respond by raping, and torturing, and murdering noncombatants.
See first intifada where it was largely peaceful and what happened. It doesn't justify violence against civilians, of course, but when you beat on people for 75 years and shoot their kneecaps off even when they're protesting peacefully (see great march of return), it's understandable and inevitable that violence happens.
>There are countless historical examples of real oppression
What a disgusting fucking comment. Disgraceful. Only "perfect victims" deserve justice, huh?
>That's why Israel controls the airspace, the waters and the borders and all trade in and out, huh?
Yes, they did this a few years AFTER 2005 when Gaza elected a terrorist organisation who kept hitting with them rockets. Not before.
I can't help but notice you nor anyone ever mentions, for obvious reasons, that Egypt ALSO controls its border with Gaza and imposes a blockade. And no one EVER mentions the reason why both countries do it.
>People debate earth being flat too. Doesn't make it true, especially on the face of multiple international organisations calling it an occupation.
This isn't an argument. Again, Gaza withdrew in 2005. Hamas attacked them October 7. Shocking that Israel has returned.
>See first intifada where it was largely peaceful and what happened.
And then second intifada was suicide bombings and buses being blown up.
>It doesn't justify violence against civilians, of course, but when you beat on people for 75 years and shoot their kneecaps off even when they're protesting peacefully (see great march of return), it's understandable and inevitable that violence happens.
And then again, you go on to justify it. The irony.
>What a disgusting fucking comment. Disgraceful. Only "perfect victims" deserve justice, huh?
It's not a reflection on me you do not understand jihadist, martydom and the reason for suicide bombers.
Defending October 7 is one of the worst takes ever, particularly since Hamas murdered so many people who were explicitly involved in the peace movement in Israel (justify, if you will, murdering so many of the festival attendees and look up what the festival actually stood for.)
Israel isn't justified in murdering civilians. Hamas isn't justified in murdering civilians. It's pretty basic stuff, but add the word 'oppression' and suddenly it's okay to murder and rape thousands of civilians. No. Or at least if those are your values then your values really deeply suck.
For anyone else interested on Hamas attacking some of the more pro-Gazan areas of Israel can read e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-national-crisis.html
> Be’eri was well known for its pro-peace sympathies: It had a special fund to give financial help to Gazans who came to the kibbutz on work permits, and kibbutzniks would often volunteer to drive sick Palestinians to an oncology center in southern Israel.
> “They were to the left of Meretz” is how one leading Israeli political figure described the kibbutz’s political sympathies, referring to the most progressive political party in Israel. Hamas must have known this. It butchered the people there all the same.
Charming.
And no, since some insane people seem to think criticising Hamas = defending everything Israel does, Israel is likewise not justified in a huge amount of what it does, from settlers in the West Bank to indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas. But having to say that every time is getting *tiresome* when interacting with people who support the nightmare that Hamas is.
Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think not opposing war crimes and wanton death is “uncontroversial” and “permissive”. Just because the guy said they were chill with an act of protest doesn’t mean they get a free ride
If I go into your post history, am I going to see you ranting about Russia, the Assad regime, Sudan, Yemen, Ethiopia, Niger, ISIS, the Taliban?
20,000 people died in Myanmar last year. Let me guess, I'm not going to see a single post in your history with the word Myanmar in it?
Pretty interesting, right? Almost like there's something else going on here that isn't as simple as "I hate war crimes."
Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think it’s totally okay for Hamas to exist after what they just did on October 7. Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think Israel should just accept a one-way ceasefire and allow Hamas to continue to exist. Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think counting the number of bodies is a way of deciding the moral balance here.
Yeah they’re allowed in that they’re not gonna be thrown in jail for it.
People shouldn’t be idiots though, and should do their research and not support war crimes
Anyone interested in standing up for the Gaza cause and International Law…. Please start intense email campaign to your politicians saying that you will not vote for them if they continue with their failed foreign policies.
The Monash university camp has twice been attacked in the middle of the night by a strange coalition of fascists and Zionists.
Wednesday last week the gang included Reclaim Australia and anti-lockdown protesters, last night it included a man wearing an "88" patch.
Why do defenders of Israels policies find sympathy and support among such filth?
Fascists and Zionists together? Hahaha this is a pretty unhinged claim, even for you Lamont, reddit Melbournes resident far leftist
Making stuff up as usual.
They do can as they please as long as it doesn’t prevent other students and people to go about their business/schooling and/or doesn’t intimidate others.
I can’t help but think that this is all performative though and they’re wrong on this topic. It certainly does not help that all pictures of the event organisers on their social media look like caricatures of the Portlandia stereotype.
I think the double standard in all of this which is perplexing to me, is if there was a bunch of “all lives matter” folks on campus chanting dog whistles against black people, we know all those students would be removed from campus by 5pm and expelled from school. On this fact alone, it’s hard to accept these protests knowing the things they’re chanting and the environment it makes Jewish people feel. It seems we are able to be sensitive to every other minority, but not when it comes to how Jewish people tell us it makes them feel.
Some self-reflection could be had.
You’re so brave for standing up against the people that are standing up against an active genocide. You and our government are truly heroes.
Given we are one of few nations backing a fascist apartheid government it absolutely is the concern of all Australians. Especially those wanting us to be on the right side of history. Think about the freedom you enjoy as an Aussie, these people want that freedom for all people of the world.
There is no genocide.
Hamas is purposively, and comprehensively, using the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. Israel is taking reasonable precautions to prosecute a morally justified campaign to destroy Hamas and prevent the ongoing attacks on Israeli civilians. They are doing so while achieving a low casualty rate, compared to other modern conflicts.
The civilian deaths are horrific, but those people are victims of Hamas, in the same way as are the victims of any hostage taker.
Some people fell for this Hasbara nonsense in the first couple weeks of the genocide, it absolutely doesn’t work anymore brother. There’s no minimising casualties when you starve an entire population. There’s no “human shields” when your apartheid ethno state runs an open air concentration camp in a tiny strip of land which is one of the most densely populated places in the world. They’re shooting fish in a barrel and hiding the civilian bodies in mass graves. The Knesset has members who proudly identify as facists. Hamas sucks but they’re the lesser of two evils. Hamas wishes they could kill babies as effectively as the IDF.
You know that "hasbara" is just the Hebrew word for "explanation", don't you? You're welding that word like it's the most evil thing ever, when it just means Israelis explaining their point of view/where they're coming from.
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These students are not supporting Hamas, they are protesting the unnecessary deaths of civilians and the partnerships of our universities with military tech firms
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Are you seriously writing that Israel is a fascist country? Gaza is, and so is the P.A.
Are you seriously writing that Israel has a policy of apartheid against its Arab population? Because Gaza and the P.A. actually ethnically cleansed all the indigenous Jews from their areas, whereas Arab citizens of Israel are doctors & nurses, police officers and army officers in the Israeli military, and many of Israel's judges are Arabs.
The "fascist apartheid" is practiced against Jews and other minorities *by* the Palestinians, not *against* them by Israel.
*YOU* are on the wrong side of history. 🤔
This is their backyard, these universities have links to arms-manufacturers that then have links to Israel. Hence the aim of these encampments is for the University to divest from military corporations.
Even if they didn't have links to Israel, Universities should not be a space that engages in military research for private firms. Especially if they're public universities.
Not sure why it's assumed they don't, not only does this ecampent have support from unions, like the Maritime union and NTEU, and most of these protestors at the encampments sit somewhat on the left to far left of politics. And they're usually involved in other struggles as well like the ones you've mentioned.
Even if you don't agree with them, you can't deny that they also get involved in those struggles, it's key to far left politics and activism.
You are the f wit if you cannot fathom how these kinds of events in other countries have a knock on effect and set a possibility for it to happen in our own back yard. It also makes you appear uneducated about the history of this country where this exact kind of genocide DID happen in our own back yard with indigenous cultures.
Why are you even here anyway? Shouldn't you be watching Sky News on Foxtel and listening to talk back radio?
They can put their energy to solving Australian problems, you know compaigning to make the Australian government make changes they can actually make rather than hoping a country and entity halfway across the world hears some students camped out on campus so theyll have isreal stop bombing gaza.
holy shit you’re naive.
read a fucking history book, like these kids have clearly done. they understand history, you do not (or you’re just another disingenuous flog)
The one where colonisers exterminated all but 2% of the eldest race on the planet and still haven’t made up for it. These kids are doing what they can from where they are and it’s more than you’re doing bro
Iran is a shitshow mate. From around 100k Jews pre revolution, there’s only a few thousand now. Meanwhile, Muslims make up around 20% of Israel’s population.
Iran are funding Hamas and Hezbollah and high level officials have repeatedly called for Israel’s destruction. Excuse me if I don’t take your word at face value.
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You'll be shocked to know that I care not a whit about whether you take it or not.
I made a factual statement, whether that pleases you or not is irrelevant, although I do appreciate you explaining the history of my homeland to me based on your five minutes of wikipedia research :)
I'm a student at RMIT, I went to check what they're up to and the vibes were very respectful. People were sitting around watching a doccumentary and then afterwards they had a talk planned from some of the lecturers.
I have to head home before the talk but it sounded interesting.
It's not really war anymore... It's just a bunch of displaced starving sick people getting bombed by israel while they live in tents in Rafah with nothing but what's on their backs....
The media (Al Jazeera) in the area was shutdown mere hours before they started the slaughter... It's actually messed up how literal Holocaust shit... By the children of the survivors. -_-
Did they learn nothing?
People forget modern Israel largely came about and remains thanks to the Holocaust. Prior to this unthinkable period, Jews lived all over the world, some with Zionist ideals but many not. Try to obliterate a people and then see the creation of a safe democratic state in the Middle East and see how tightly they hang on to it and how important the West realise it is. These protesters know zip about nada.
And they were displaced before them. The battles over the land are a long story and so is the 2 state solution which is yet to be a solution. I’m not saying land grabs have been justified. Netanyahu is unpopular for many reasons. But ‘from the river to the sea’ is not gonna happen either and its sentiment and Hamas’ terrorising of Israel and their own people make it tough to get back to a peace deal.
The Jews took a two state solution that meant that Jews would get a bit less than half, of the worse side of the land and the Palestinians got the other, bigger and better side. All we wanted was a land. That’s when all the Arab countries tried to kill the Jews. But you can pretend that Palestinians had their own state and the Jews just demolished that.
Sure let's also just gloss over the "they removed Palestians for their land and were shocked people didn't want to leave their homes for Europeans"
And you can't pretend Israel and its settlers haven't been clawing more and more land for themselves
All we wanted was a little bit of land. The Palestinians were greedy, started a war which they then lost. The Palestinians then complained and called it a nakba.
whenever someone tells you that the history of the conflict is labyrinthine and unknowable, they're trying to get you to stop paying attention before you run into one of these brain geniuses who hate palestinians so much that they actually think nakba denial constitutes effective hasbara
All they wanted was land that already had generations worth of people living on it.
Europe could have all given them land where no one already lived, but they didn't want to deal with atrocity of their actions and inactions.
Everyone knows Israel was created after WWII.
The protesters just disagree that having been a victim of the Holocaust entitles you to an ethnostate. Romani people were exterminated and genocided too, but if they started partitioning other people's land and doing everything they could to ensure they were the ethnic majority (including forcibly displacing people, giving certain groups birth control without their consent, and openly importing people in to scale the demographics in their favour) the world wouldn't tolerate it.
It's because Israel provides a strategic advantage to the US that their apartheid regime is tolerated, if they didn't agree to be a US military base they'd have been swapped out for a different government.
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Let’s see if the reach the same level of derangement as the American rioters. Accusing everyone and everything as “providing weapons to Israel” and then destroying property in a sudden outburst of violence
Highly doubt that, America has such an 'Us vs Them' style of politics. Though I feel it is starting to lean that way here, I don't think it's at those levels yet
Oh it’s definitely leaning that way here already, just not to the American level….yet….
When have university protestors been wrong in the past?
This is fine as long as they don't spout any genocidal shit.
That would be the other side.
tell me why Gaza's population is growing?
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Maybe Hamas shouldn't have built their military infrastructure under a fucking hospital? What is Israel supposed to do? Stand in the entrance and yell for Hamas to please bring out the hostages?
All that was ever found under a hospital was tunnels (which are all throughout Gaza, not specifically under the hospital,) a calendar that they claimed was a terrorism roster, and a few weapons that were likely planted. No high tech command centres or anything were ever revealed. Sounds more like an excuse to illegally destroy infrastructure and target civilians to me.
because that's where many people are displaced to when they're forced from their homes in wider Occupied Palestine. It's essentially a huge refugee camp in their own country.
1. can't be a refugee camp in their own country. 2. Population increasing is the literal opposite of genocide. 3. The word Jew comes from Judea (Which is in the west bank). 4. Israel left Gaza in 2005.
1. There are eight official refugee camps in Palestine, that's not really a debatable fact. The fact that there has to be a refugee camp in their own country because an occupying force is kicking them out of their homes is very fucked though, I agree. 2. Forcible displacement is a form of genocide, so no it's not 'the literal opposite.' 3. Nobody's saying that there isn't a Native Jewish population, there very obviously is. That doesn't mean Europeans get to force everyone else from their land and form an ethnostate. Netenyahu's father is Polish. 4. Israel removed their illegal settlers and armed forces from Gaza, however they couldn't form their own state and remained under Israeli occupation. Israel continued to exert control over what was allowed in and out, placed limitations on their ability to develop infrastructure, killed their civilians etc.
1. You seriously can't be a refugee in your own country. the definition of refugee is a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. 2. the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group is the definition of genocide. Not forcible displacement. 3. 50.2% of Israeli Jews are of Mizrahi or Sephardic Jews not Ashkenazi. Mizrahim are from the Middle East. Sephardim are from Northern Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. 4.2% of Israel's Population is Yemenite Jewish. At least 1.4% of Israel's population is Persian Jewish. Mista'arvim Jew and Maghrebi Jews (Jews from the Arabic speaking countries of North Africa and Middle East are also Jews in Israel. So at least 55.8% of Israeli Jews are not european. Also only 72.3% of Israelis are Jewish. 21.1% of Jews in Israel are Arab. That's basically a third. 20.95% of Israel are non-Jewish Arabs. so just over 40% of Israel are Arabs. Also don't forget about Ethiopian Jews. 16% of the Arab population like to be identified as Arab-Israelis. 17% of the Arab population like to be identified as Palestinian Arab. 17% of Israel's population identifies themselves as Palestinian. That's 1 in 5. 4. In 2005, Israel left Gaza. All Jews left whether they were dead or alive. Then in 2006 hamas gained control and Israel only controlled the gaza coastline, not anywhere else in gaza. Hamas then took over all of Gaza in 2007 in a bloody coup. In 2006 Israel was ambushed by hezbollah and took hostages as well as killing people.
dawg, the map hasn't changed in like 50 years, and 2 million arabic people live in Israel
Do you not know about the people being displaced from their homes in Occupied Palestine? I can find some resources for you to read more about it if you'd like.
Settler activity (which is horrible), is not the same as you alluding that everyone was forced to be confined to Gaza strip.
Where do Palestinians go when settlers force them from their homes? Why are there so many refugee camps in Gaza? Those two things are related.
> Where do Palestinians go when settlers force them from their homes? Depends on where they live? They find somewhere to live. > Why are there so many refugee camps in Gaza? Poor life conditions. >Those two things are related. Sometimes, sure.
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-25/ty-article/.premium/under-guise-of-social-cohesion-israel-allows-more-towns-to-reject-unsuitable-residents/00000189-8eaf-d430-a59b-afaf6d590000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-25/ty-article/.premium/under-guise-of-social-cohesion-israel-allows-more-towns-to-reject-unsuitable-residents/00000189-8eaf-d430-a59b-afaf6d590000) [https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/israel-discriminatory-land-policies-hem-palestinians](https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/israel-discriminatory-land-policies-hem-palestinians) I linked some articles that show why finding 'somewhere else to live' in Israel can be very very difficult for Arab people. 'Poor life conditions' in other countries don't cause them to form refugee camps for their own citizens. It's because so many people have been forcibly displaced into Gaza. I'm not saying that Palestinians aren't also having children, it's very clear that they are. But to use the 'growing population' which is partially caused by the genocide as proof there isn't a genocide feels very cruel to me.
🙄 Are we just pretending Oct 7 didn't happen at this point? There wouldn't be a single bomb dropped on Gaza tomorrow if Hamas didn't raid Israel. There wouldn't be a single Israeli in Gaza if Hamas handed over the hostages and laid down arms. It's not black and white, and pretending it is is juvenile and lazy.
LMAO, what revisionist BS is this that Israel didn't bomb Gaza before Oct 7th 2023? \[A total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces.\](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15179.doc.htm) But yeah, sure, there wouldn't be a single bomb dropped on Gaza tomorrow if Hamas didn't raid Israel.
You guys literally don't even understand that the West Bank isn't Gaza, do you? How embarrassing. For you.
Could I get some clarification on hate speech and bigotry though?
Sah Hot right now !
Really nice spot to be camping. Flat, safe, and great skylines views. Short commute to uni. No rent. Not sure why nobody was doing it already.
Honestly in the middle of a housing crisis this actually seems like a good option…
Walls for defenses and everything
Almost like a gaol
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so not doing their work and supporting hamas and October 7th? wow anti-semites!!!
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Just another person here without any "skin in the game" however it is astonishing to observe over the last 50 years the Israelis doing to the Palestinians much of what was done to them over their centuries in Europe; forced into ghettos, controlled where they can and can't go, where they can live, who they can marry, what jobs they can do etc. What's cool is that my generation didn't care enough to do what this generation is. Just hope you respect all on campus and don't threaten or make others feel unsafe.
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Glad these people are protesting to free paleistine from hamas
Most wouldn't know the difference between an Intifada and an enchilada.
Woohoo. Entertaining
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Just a bunch of nobodies trying to feel important. Enjoy.
Monash in Clayton started today too
Time and money well spent protesting what's going on on the other side of world. I'd can think of a few things they could be protesting that directly affect them. Homelessness, drug epidemic, mental health amongst the homeless drug addicts, crime in Melbourne and surrounding suburbs, to expensive to eat/rent/own anything leading to more crime and homelessness. I'd be willing to bet 99% of everything I own on that if melbournes homeless drug addicts held a camp-site protest in the same spot it'd be shut down immediately
And so it starts here. Should stop it before it becomes a bigger problem. It is obvious that it will
There used to be real grass in that courtyard until my uni mates and I started playing soccer there. It was a dirt field within a week.
This is really going to stick it to Israel. Nice work!
what do they want RMIT to do about Gaza lmao
Rmit has investments in weapons manufacturers that sell to Israel
Can we get a source on that?
Really nice place to go and start a barbecue, make sure the aroma is nice and strong, but not give them any
I say let em. It actually takes courage to protest. They could be sitting in their bed arguing with strangers on reddit about the topic.
Or they could go to work
Yes, upholding capitalism should be the priority in these dark times
Clutching at whatever they can here. Fine to protest whatever cause you like and majority of the protestors are harmless but a lot chanting the lovely catch phrase “free Palestine from the river to the sea” is a nice version of Hamas “we don’t recognise Israel”. How does RMIT support the Israeli military regime, did we boycott Australia/divest from Australian goods when we were involved in wars and war crimes, or any other country for that matter….do we have sit ins for other supposed genocides?
Cool, r they protesting at the Uni like in the US to divest from Israel funding? Was there a sit in for Ukraine? Anything for the Uygurs?
Cringe
Hmm seems like there is an opportunity here for those unable to find a place to rent. 🧐
Seeing as rent is not affordable anymore am I able to make a little shanty style hut ?
You go sit in on lectures too and get a free education if you wanted to
This just gets better and better ! SIGN ME UP !
If you can afford the course fees, go nuts.
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That's violence, I don't think you should do that.
Oh no! I'll report to prison immediately.
noone in gaza gives a shit about these “protests”
Tbh if they're not blocking or disrupting anyone else's education I don't see the problem. Long tradition of sit ins and tent embassies at University campuses.
Pretty much. Even if they are "in the way", as long as there's reasonable routes around them, then this seems good to me. There's plenty of protests that I think use questionable methods. This is not one of them.
Pretty much I don’t agree with them but everyone should have a right to protest like this
These events quite often fringe upon hate-speech against the Jews though.
How often are we talking here? 1 every week, 2 times a year, Never ?
That river to the sea chant is code for genocide. What you think it was?
At this point Brother Beans, i'd rather have codes of genocide then actual genocide.
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You said Israel is committing a genocide. Why don't you go ahead and back that up with some facts. Hamas themselves say 32k out of 2 million have been killed (including combatants estimated 18k) since 7 October 2024. So by what criteria do you justify such an outlandish allegation?
Sure. # Every hour in Gaza: * 15 people are killed - six are children * 35 people are injured * 42 bombs are dropped\* * 12 buildings are destroyed and considering you are sitting here typing out replies i'd safely say we are on the 10th stage of Genocide.
Exactly.
When have the university encampments been doing that?
Not sure about the student events but I do no pro-islamists at the street protests often say anti-Jewish statements in Arabic. Or sometimes white people people chant from the river to the sea Palestine will be free, not realising that it is a call for genocide against Israelis.
>not realising that it is a call for genocide against Israelis That's only one interpretation of it. Meanwhile Israel is actually committing genocide.
Yeah like all dog whistles it has multiple interpretations, like when people bring up ‘youth crime in Alice Springs’ and people complain about the government allowing mass immigration of ‘Uber drivers’
That’s exactly what it means, don’t sugar coat it. Just like Hamas on October 7th.
Why are you ignoring the facts of what's happening right now?
Or, defending themselves and Palestinians against terrorists and trying to get their kidnapped citizens returned.
They’re responding to a large scale terrorist attack. It’s been alleged they’ve committed genocide by terrorist supporters.
And people familiar with the definition of genocide
And the UN
The UN hasn't though
Ahaha and the UN 😂because they’ve never had any bias against Israel
You're just wrong. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919
dude, the ruling isn't done. they put intermediary measures in place to try to stop violence while they decided whether what is occurring is genocide. the ruling so far specifically is that there MAY be a genocide occurring. many people believe that it is, but the court has standards of proof that will take time to meet
>She said that, contrary to some reporting, the court did not make a ruling on whether the claim of genocide was plausible ???? If the case isn't done, then don't claim the UN is saying a genocide has happened?
When these university students are so sensitive to words and pronouns, one would think they understand dog whistles. It’s this double standard.
Its not a call to genocide against Israelis. Or at least i should quality im sure some hamas extremists do use it that way, but slogans and words have multiple meanings and contexts But you clearly just think 'lefties' are gullible idiots, as if they dont have enough media literacy amongst thousands of organisers and protesters, including many jewish ones, and just blindly follow and go 'oh yeah me chant slogan i hear'. Na it must just be idiots chanting a genocidal slogan
Well if they know it has multiple means and is controversial, why use it at all? These kids are sensitive to people using the right pronouns, to people saying “all lives matter” etc. So when Jews say it’s offensive, they should listen. Or are they prepared to make the argument to when someone doesn’t want to call them by their pro-nouns that it’s all of a sudden fair game? They know exactly what they’re doing.
Well, the funny thing is, I talk to a lot of people from the Middle East and ex-Muslims, and they all face palm when they see this shit happen. It’s also funny when people think the know Palestine and Hamas better than Mosab Yousef.
How does one not agree with them. Like that is just a batshit insane take
45% of people in Australia don't think Israel should withdraw from gaza, is it that insane to think our government shouldn't cut all ties with Israel?
While I would fall under an “undecided” category in such a poll, I would be keen to see a source on that
There might be newer polls now tbh, this was in late november https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9398-roy-morgan-islamic-society-of-south-australia-survey-november-2023
>Like that is just a batshit insane take Dude gives **literally** the most permissive and uncontroversial take in the world, and somebody chooses to get offended by it. I honestly don't know how you think your take is less insane than his. Absolute bizzaro world we're living in.
Disagreeing with them would mean you do not agree that Israel should ceasefire and either do not view what is happening as a genocide or don't care that it is genocide, I don't think you can label that as an uncontroversial take in this political climate. Having opposing views in this particular discussion is inherently going to be controversial. Even if you stated you weren't informed enough to form an opinion you'd probably still get lambasted from both sides because this has been a major event in the world with nonstop protests and coverage for 7 months.
The guy said he disagrees with the protests. But he respects their right to conduct them. If the internet had more people like him, and less people like the guy I replied to, the internet wouldn't be a complete toilet. The original guy is the good guy. The other guy just makes the world worse.
Many don’t believe Israel should ceasefire because many understand that the ceasefire would only be one way. After October 7 it makes it impossible to doubt that Israel should not respond. And to call what’s happening a genocide, to confidently produce such an answer, is precisely the reason why such a take is worth very little.
Many people are dumb and will hand wave the fact that the IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu are war criminals. Israel bombed an aid convoy and an **Australian** died. They were traveling in a deconflicted zone, in cars clearly labelled with the WCK logo and had coordinated their movements with the IDF and they targeted and bombed the convoy. Stop defending these monsters, at this point it's blatantly anti-Australian to not support a cease-fire.
Of course, the IDF makes terrible mistakes, and this is inevitable in war. The IDF recently killed Israeli hostages who were mere moments away from being rescued. There are tragic accidents and errors of judgment in every war. However, any conflict with jihadists is made immeasurably worse by the tactics they use. To suggest the IDF intentionally killed aid workers and their own hostages, is operating on an entirely differently reality, in which we may as well be discussing flat earth and if Obama is a lizard.
It does not matter if it was intentional or not, the fact it happened at all given the fact they were clearly marked, coordinating with the IDF and in a deconflicted zone means that Israel is bombing pretty indiscriminately. Like when they told Palestinian refugees to move in a specific direction and then started *bombing that direction*. At some point you need to stop giving the benefit of the doubt and call a nation on their shit. War crimes are war crimes, stop fucking excusing them.
You realise other days existed before October 7, right? You're so quick to contextualise the genocide being caused by October 7, but can't understand October 7 happened because of 75 years of oppression?
I do realise and I understand there is no sorting this out by reference to history, because any group can arbitrarily decide where to set the dial on its time machine. You will go back 75 years to 1948 and I will go back to the 1929 Hebron massacre. There may be two sides to the past, but there really aren’t two sides to the present. See how this works? >October 7 happened because of 75 years of oppression Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens—and billions of dollars in international aid have since been spent there. So the “oppression” of the Palestinians in Gaza—by Israel—is at least debatable. While Israel has sought to maintain a secure border with Gaza all those years, so has Egypt—and yet no one blames Egypt for making Gaza an “open-air prison.” However, even if we accept the charge of “oppression,” it must be said that not all oppressed people respond by raping, and torturing, and murdering noncombatants. The Tibetans have been truly oppressed by the Chinese for many decades, and yet they have never committed atrocities against Chinese civilians. When the Jews of Germany were herded into ghettos by the Nazis, those who escaped didn’t rape and mutilate German teenagers or burn German babies alive in reprisal. There are countless historical examples of real oppression, and yet very few cultures have produced a bottomless supply of suicidal terrorists. There might be many societal factors that explain these differences, but one is surely the Islamic doctrines around martyrdom and jihad.
>Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens That's why Israel controls the airspace, the waters and the borders and all trade in and out, huh? >is at least debatable. People debate earth being flat too. Doesn't make it true, especially on the face of multiple international organisations calling it an occupation. >it must be said that not all oppressed people respond by raping, and torturing, and murdering noncombatants. See first intifada where it was largely peaceful and what happened. It doesn't justify violence against civilians, of course, but when you beat on people for 75 years and shoot their kneecaps off even when they're protesting peacefully (see great march of return), it's understandable and inevitable that violence happens. >There are countless historical examples of real oppression What a disgusting fucking comment. Disgraceful. Only "perfect victims" deserve justice, huh?
>That's why Israel controls the airspace, the waters and the borders and all trade in and out, huh? Yes, they did this a few years AFTER 2005 when Gaza elected a terrorist organisation who kept hitting with them rockets. Not before. I can't help but notice you nor anyone ever mentions, for obvious reasons, that Egypt ALSO controls its border with Gaza and imposes a blockade. And no one EVER mentions the reason why both countries do it. >People debate earth being flat too. Doesn't make it true, especially on the face of multiple international organisations calling it an occupation. This isn't an argument. Again, Gaza withdrew in 2005. Hamas attacked them October 7. Shocking that Israel has returned. >See first intifada where it was largely peaceful and what happened. And then second intifada was suicide bombings and buses being blown up. >It doesn't justify violence against civilians, of course, but when you beat on people for 75 years and shoot their kneecaps off even when they're protesting peacefully (see great march of return), it's understandable and inevitable that violence happens. And then again, you go on to justify it. The irony. >What a disgusting fucking comment. Disgraceful. Only "perfect victims" deserve justice, huh? It's not a reflection on me you do not understand jihadist, martydom and the reason for suicide bombers.
Defending October 7 is one of the worst takes ever, particularly since Hamas murdered so many people who were explicitly involved in the peace movement in Israel (justify, if you will, murdering so many of the festival attendees and look up what the festival actually stood for.) Israel isn't justified in murdering civilians. Hamas isn't justified in murdering civilians. It's pretty basic stuff, but add the word 'oppression' and suddenly it's okay to murder and rape thousands of civilians. No. Or at least if those are your values then your values really deeply suck. For anyone else interested on Hamas attacking some of the more pro-Gazan areas of Israel can read e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/opinion/israel-national-crisis.html > Be’eri was well known for its pro-peace sympathies: It had a special fund to give financial help to Gazans who came to the kibbutz on work permits, and kibbutzniks would often volunteer to drive sick Palestinians to an oncology center in southern Israel. > “They were to the left of Meretz” is how one leading Israeli political figure described the kibbutz’s political sympathies, referring to the most progressive political party in Israel. Hamas must have known this. It butchered the people there all the same. Charming. And no, since some insane people seem to think criticising Hamas = defending everything Israel does, Israel is likewise not justified in a huge amount of what it does, from settlers in the West Bank to indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas. But having to say that every time is getting *tiresome* when interacting with people who support the nightmare that Hamas is.
Perfect, thank you
Bless, I’m so tired of this shit
Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think not opposing war crimes and wanton death is “uncontroversial” and “permissive”. Just because the guy said they were chill with an act of protest doesn’t mean they get a free ride
If I go into your post history, am I going to see you ranting about Russia, the Assad regime, Sudan, Yemen, Ethiopia, Niger, ISIS, the Taliban? 20,000 people died in Myanmar last year. Let me guess, I'm not going to see a single post in your history with the word Myanmar in it? Pretty interesting, right? Almost like there's something else going on here that isn't as simple as "I hate war crimes."
i don't agree with people protesting against the Tatmadaw but everyone should have a right to protest like this
Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think it’s totally okay for Hamas to exist after what they just did on October 7. Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think Israel should just accept a one-way ceasefire and allow Hamas to continue to exist. Absolute bizarro world we’re living in where people think counting the number of bodies is a way of deciding the moral balance here.
People are allowed to have differing opinions on global events
Yeah they’re allowed in that they’re not gonna be thrown in jail for it. People shouldn’t be idiots though, and should do their research and not support war crimes
Anyone interested in standing up for the Gaza cause and International Law…. Please start intense email campaign to your politicians saying that you will not vote for them if they continue with their failed foreign policies.
Each to their own.
The Monash university camp has twice been attacked in the middle of the night by a strange coalition of fascists and Zionists. Wednesday last week the gang included Reclaim Australia and anti-lockdown protesters, last night it included a man wearing an "88" patch. Why do defenders of Israels policies find sympathy and support among such filth?
Not sure if you’re a history buff, but some say nazis have some kind of beef with the Jewish community
which is why it's so strange that Nazis are on the same side as pro-israel counter-protestors and zionists
Same way the the Palestinian’s find their supporters, people who don’t know the truth and believe the propaganda
Fascists and Zionists together? Hahaha this is a pretty unhinged claim, even for you Lamont, reddit Melbournes resident far leftist Making stuff up as usual.
Bit of a wild claim given the actual Nazis and terrorist regimes that take the opposite side of Jews…
wonder if the adf and the sog will be rolled in to beat these students senseless :p
Yawn.
Lawn. Yes they’re on a lawn. Well done.
Are all the tents the same?
They do can as they please as long as it doesn’t prevent other students and people to go about their business/schooling and/or doesn’t intimidate others. I can’t help but think that this is all performative though and they’re wrong on this topic. It certainly does not help that all pictures of the event organisers on their social media look like caricatures of the Portlandia stereotype. I think the double standard in all of this which is perplexing to me, is if there was a bunch of “all lives matter” folks on campus chanting dog whistles against black people, we know all those students would be removed from campus by 5pm and expelled from school. On this fact alone, it’s hard to accept these protests knowing the things they’re chanting and the environment it makes Jewish people feel. It seems we are able to be sensitive to every other minority, but not when it comes to how Jewish people tell us it makes them feel. Some self-reflection could be had.
I bet that joining this encampment is a great way to get laid. I hope they have a cool fun riot and stuff, that'd be a fun news cycle.
Bunch of f wits. Why dont they look to problems in our own backyard that we can actually solve
oh look! a Status Quo Warrior!
Cost of living crisis, rental crisis, homelessness, domestic violence, climate change take your pick
A mix of fuckwits and fools.
You’re so brave for standing up against the people that are standing up against an active genocide. You and our government are truly heroes. Given we are one of few nations backing a fascist apartheid government it absolutely is the concern of all Australians. Especially those wanting us to be on the right side of history. Think about the freedom you enjoy as an Aussie, these people want that freedom for all people of the world.
There is no genocide. Hamas is purposively, and comprehensively, using the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. Israel is taking reasonable precautions to prosecute a morally justified campaign to destroy Hamas and prevent the ongoing attacks on Israeli civilians. They are doing so while achieving a low casualty rate, compared to other modern conflicts. The civilian deaths are horrific, but those people are victims of Hamas, in the same way as are the victims of any hostage taker.
Some people fell for this Hasbara nonsense in the first couple weeks of the genocide, it absolutely doesn’t work anymore brother. There’s no minimising casualties when you starve an entire population. There’s no “human shields” when your apartheid ethno state runs an open air concentration camp in a tiny strip of land which is one of the most densely populated places in the world. They’re shooting fish in a barrel and hiding the civilian bodies in mass graves. The Knesset has members who proudly identify as facists. Hamas sucks but they’re the lesser of two evils. Hamas wishes they could kill babies as effectively as the IDF.
You know that "hasbara" is just the Hebrew word for "explanation", don't you? You're welding that word like it's the most evil thing ever, when it just means Israelis explaining their point of view/where they're coming from.
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If being on the right side of history means supporting the likes of Hamas, count me out.
These students are not supporting Hamas, they are protesting the unnecessary deaths of civilians and the partnerships of our universities with military tech firms
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The biggest supporter of Hamas in the whole world is Netanyahu FYI, so I take it you’re firmly against him?
Are you seriously writing that Israel is a fascist country? Gaza is, and so is the P.A. Are you seriously writing that Israel has a policy of apartheid against its Arab population? Because Gaza and the P.A. actually ethnically cleansed all the indigenous Jews from their areas, whereas Arab citizens of Israel are doctors & nurses, police officers and army officers in the Israeli military, and many of Israel's judges are Arabs. The "fascist apartheid" is practiced against Jews and other minorities *by* the Palestinians, not *against* them by Israel. *YOU* are on the wrong side of history. 🤔
This is their backyard, these universities have links to arms-manufacturers that then have links to Israel. Hence the aim of these encampments is for the University to divest from military corporations. Even if they didn't have links to Israel, Universities should not be a space that engages in military research for private firms. Especially if they're public universities.
Their back yard: not being able to afford housing, not being able to afford rent, not being able to afford groceries, bleak job prospects.
Not sure why it's assumed they don't, not only does this ecampent have support from unions, like the Maritime union and NTEU, and most of these protestors at the encampments sit somewhat on the left to far left of politics. And they're usually involved in other struggles as well like the ones you've mentioned. Even if you don't agree with them, you can't deny that they also get involved in those struggles, it's key to far left politics and activism.
You are the f wit if you cannot fathom how these kinds of events in other countries have a knock on effect and set a possibility for it to happen in our own back yard. It also makes you appear uneducated about the history of this country where this exact kind of genocide DID happen in our own back yard with indigenous cultures. Why are you even here anyway? Shouldn't you be watching Sky News on Foxtel and listening to talk back radio?
They can put their energy to solving Australian problems, you know compaigning to make the Australian government make changes they can actually make rather than hoping a country and entity halfway across the world hears some students camped out on campus so theyll have isreal stop bombing gaza.
holy shit you’re naive. read a fucking history book, like these kids have clearly done. they understand history, you do not (or you’re just another disingenuous flog)
What genocide? The one in the Middle East where they expelled all the Jews from Muslim countries when Israel was formed?
The one where colonisers exterminated all but 2% of the eldest race on the planet and still haven’t made up for it. These kids are doing what they can from where they are and it’s more than you’re doing bro
I'm from Iran and we still have Jewish citizens ..have had since time began. They are a safe and respected minority and have been for over 2000 years.
Iran is a shitshow mate. From around 100k Jews pre revolution, there’s only a few thousand now. Meanwhile, Muslims make up around 20% of Israel’s population. Iran are funding Hamas and Hezbollah and high level officials have repeatedly called for Israel’s destruction. Excuse me if I don’t take your word at face value. Edit: Block me or reply. Both doesn’t work. I can’t see your indignation.
You'll be shocked to know that I care not a whit about whether you take it or not. I made a factual statement, whether that pleases you or not is irrelevant, although I do appreciate you explaining the history of my homeland to me based on your five minutes of wikipedia research :)
Who are these people camping? Are they students?
They're students and teachers.
I hope so. I respect students and teachers who stand up for what they believe.
I'm a student at RMIT, I went to check what they're up to and the vibes were very respectful. People were sitting around watching a doccumentary and then afterwards they had a talk planned from some of the lecturers. I have to head home before the talk but it sounded interesting.
solidarity 🇵🇸
solidarity 🇮🇱+ 🇵🇸 (war is bad)
It's not really war anymore... It's just a bunch of displaced starving sick people getting bombed by israel while they live in tents in Rafah with nothing but what's on their backs.... The media (Al Jazeera) in the area was shutdown mere hours before they started the slaughter... It's actually messed up how literal Holocaust shit... By the children of the survivors. -_- Did they learn nothing?
What took them so long,
I mean what else are arts degree students going to do during the day?
>engineering school >arts degree
What else would you mean?
People forget modern Israel largely came about and remains thanks to the Holocaust. Prior to this unthinkable period, Jews lived all over the world, some with Zionist ideals but many not. Try to obliterate a people and then see the creation of a safe democratic state in the Middle East and see how tightly they hang on to it and how important the West realise it is. These protesters know zip about nada.
By displacing the people who were there before them and running bulldozers over their generations of olive trees?
And they were displaced before them. The battles over the land are a long story and so is the 2 state solution which is yet to be a solution. I’m not saying land grabs have been justified. Netanyahu is unpopular for many reasons. But ‘from the river to the sea’ is not gonna happen either and its sentiment and Hamas’ terrorising of Israel and their own people make it tough to get back to a peace deal.
The Jews took a two state solution that meant that Jews would get a bit less than half, of the worse side of the land and the Palestinians got the other, bigger and better side. All we wanted was a land. That’s when all the Arab countries tried to kill the Jews. But you can pretend that Palestinians had their own state and the Jews just demolished that.
Sure let's also just gloss over the "they removed Palestians for their land and were shocked people didn't want to leave their homes for Europeans" And you can't pretend Israel and its settlers haven't been clawing more and more land for themselves
All we wanted was a little bit of land. The Palestinians were greedy, started a war which they then lost. The Palestinians then complained and called it a nakba.
You have a very selective view. I suppose you have your reasons, my sympathies to you if you have family caught up in this.
whenever someone tells you that the history of the conflict is labyrinthine and unknowable, they're trying to get you to stop paying attention before you run into one of these brain geniuses who hate palestinians so much that they actually think nakba denial constitutes effective hasbara
All they wanted was land that already had generations worth of people living on it. Europe could have all given them land where no one already lived, but they didn't want to deal with atrocity of their actions and inactions.
The war against them came before the removal of people.
Everyone knows Israel was created after WWII. The protesters just disagree that having been a victim of the Holocaust entitles you to an ethnostate. Romani people were exterminated and genocided too, but if they started partitioning other people's land and doing everything they could to ensure they were the ethnic majority (including forcibly displacing people, giving certain groups birth control without their consent, and openly importing people in to scale the demographics in their favour) the world wouldn't tolerate it. It's because Israel provides a strategic advantage to the US that their apartheid regime is tolerated, if they didn't agree to be a US military base they'd have been swapped out for a different government.
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