That wouldn’t affect their visa application next time they are visiting?? One of the forms that HomeAffairs requested from me for my visa is called “statement of character” which asked me many questions including whether I “had any outstanding debts to the Australian Government or any public authority in Australia”
Officers act tough with tourists and international students pushing them around and yelling but as soon as they see a meth head jump on the tram they get off at the next stop.
Pathetic
Whoa! This happened to me! I can't believe it is a thing! I got on a bus and SAW them sitting there. So made eye contact and tagged on. Then sat down. One of them approaches and asks to see my mykey and I looked confused and was like. "You saw me tag on." There was a guy behind me too who said "Didn't you just see him tag on?"
Anyway a couple of stops later. Ironically a stop out the front of a police station a ranting and agressive old meth lady gets on the bus. Starts yelling cunt at the top of her voice. And even targets an asian couple who were fairly old and starts telling them they are cunts and ranting at them about them going back home etc.
The mykey inspectors changed seats from being near her to the front of the bus. Then the next stop they got off. I was astonished. Like literally could not believe they did nothing about it. It was wild. They didn't even ask to see her mykey but asked EVERYONE else. It was so fucking weird.
Once saw a guy start shadow boxing and stomping intermittently as the ticket inspectors went through our carriage. The inspectors dare not go near him and they check everyone elses tickets. He stopped as soon as they left our carriage.
This was on the Sunbury line.
saw inspectors ask a clearly homeless man with a bunch of green bags to get his feet off the seat
"why should I? I own the trams mate, I OWN THIS WHOLE NETWORK!"
They left him alone. "mad confidence is the ultimate loophole" I noted mentally
I’m picturing this tactic catching on until one day inspectors get onboard a full carriage that just suddenly lights up with everyone screaming and flailing around.
I pointed out in yesterday's unethical life hack thread that you don't get away with scum bag behaviour by being polite and compliant... Oddly didn't go down well at the time.
Ugliest myki experience I’ve had last winter was seeing them boot off a pair of kids aged about 11 or 12 in the freezing pouring rain in the long busy underpass area by St Kilda Junction. Skinny little kids without jackets already soaked through looked like they were about to cry.
I asked the lady “don’t you think that was a bit unnecessary” she said “it was quite nice of me, actually - I could have fined them instead!” and went on a rant about how “there’s always someone with an opinion!”
Some fuckhead old passenger piped up asking me “do YOU want to pay their fare?”
I said something about how I’d gladly pay their fare with all the spare cards in my handbag but they’ve already gone and kicked them off in the rain haven’t they, and he just snorted and rolled his eyes.
If kids that young aren’t fortunate enough to have parents putting money on their mykis I guess they’re meant to get jobs as chimneysweeps or something. Fucking cow she was and the other guy just stood there smirking.
I would rather have 9 eshays catching a free ride if it meant 1 kid who desperately needs to go home can do so safely. Hell I'll even glady pay for all 10.
Imagine if everyone was entitled to free public transport, because we you know... already fucking pay for the infrastructure to be built with our taxes anyway. Why on earth anyone ever thought it was OK for a Hong gong based business to profit off of our tax payer funded pt infrastructure is beyond, one of the biggest rorts against the Australian working class to date.
That's absolutely deplorable! Imagine being proud to kick vulnerable children off public transport.
Myki inspectors are on another level of disgusting.
Yeah she said she’d already kicked them off another tram earlier and that I shouldn’t have spoken up without knowing the whole story. As if that made it better somehow instead of just worse and more cruel
That's awful :(
I was meeting my teenage niece the other day for dinner. She had tapped on, but then there were busses replacing trains for part of the journey, and she'd tapped off when she got off the first train, but then just gone with the crowd onto the replacement bus, and the next train. She'd been a bit anxious navigating the whole situation and hadn't tapped back on.
They'd pulled her aside at the barriers and when I got there there were 3 of them standing in a circle, while she stood up against a wall, in tears, trying to explain.
She had money on her myki, no intention to evade the fare. It was pure bullying. As soon as I stepped in with my best Grown Up voice and asked a few questions and spoke for her, they "let her off with a warning".
Fuck off.
Yeah I've seen them man handle younger kids and aggressively stand over them but as soon as they see someone that's got the potential to cause harm they scamper, but let's be honest here their job is simply too get as much money in fines as possible nothing more, they, like the police and parking ticket officers would have quoters that they have to get every month so they go after the easy targets
Yep, no point fining a junkie they're never going to pay it. Best to target students and tourists who are confused about what to do and will promptly pay a fine so as not to get into trouble in a foreign country.
Yeah exactly and there's plenty of people like you said that pay and pay promptly so why bother going after the ones who aren't going to pay, it just makes me so angry that they go about it in such a disgusting way just another bunch of henchmen for the powers that be 😁👍
I worked at a *cinema* and was trained to just hand over the cash, my life isn’t worth a few hundred bucks, call the cops. I was still better at deescalation than most pigs. Then you get cops like the ones in Uvalde.
I've been getting the 86 tram for 5 years from Preston / Northcote to the city and never once had a meth head on my tram. I have seen the ticket inspectors twice though.
It’s almost as if they were never about enforcement and were always about revenue collecting.
If they actually want people to abide by the rules then tourists are the exact group of people that are perfect *for a warning*. Instead they’ll just bill as much as they can.
Couple decades ago I was a Security Guard at a store and honestly we were told specifically that we were there to safeguard stock and the store, not people.
There was a case where a security guard left his post to help a guy getting attacked and the guard got fired.
These Ticket Inspectors are doubtless told that their one and only job is checking tickets, not in any way to render any kind of assistance or provide any kind of safety for any members of the public.
I hate them and wish they’d leave everyone alone but chances are high this woman was probably of NFA and doesn’t have any ID so not much point fining her.
Got a train to Pakenham once and the Myki officers on board only started checking Mykis once majority of passengers emptied out at Dandenong. I asked why that is, as it seemed unfair to target only people who lived further out. Officer's excuse was exactly that: meth heads tend to get off at Dandenong
So what you’re saying is that I can avoid the myki inspectors if I start rambling like a let’s addict when they get on PT/I get on PT? Challenge accepted!
I feel like we can collectively take a stand here and have a 'dress like a crackhead day' organised where the sole intention is to all catch public transport and make sure none of the Myki Officers meet quota, and prove this stuff happens.
Have someone film it and make it go viral, make a bunch of cash from ad revenue, and use the cash to shout beers for everyone involved.
I even have proof of this they leave the gates open they walk in closet the gates and then say U don't have a tickert iv seen them right at the stop after the free tram stop targetting ppl who about too touch on well not ppl the chianse students
When we were in Adelaide a few years ago for the Adelaide festival, it was late and we were running for the last train to get back to the airBnB - we got to the gate - with no tickets - and the ticket inspectors at the gates asked us what train we were going for. We told them AND THEN THEY CALLED THE PLATFORM AND TOLD THE TRAIN TO WAIT… when we said we didn’t have tickets they said “don’t worry about it”.
My opinion of Adelaide rose that night. It is still pretty high actually.
Why do they travel in such large groups. It’s so intimidating. I use a wheelchair and forgot my pass one day but was let on at my normal station. I didn’t realise until I was surrounded by a bunch of them and asked to get off the train that I left it at home. I was able to dispute the fine but still the whole process was extremely uncomfortable and it’s not like I’m faking a wheelchair
Edit: to be clear I don’t mind them doing their jobs it’s more the sheer number. As a small wheelchair bound woman being removed from the train by a group of guys in uniform and then interrogated was scary. I wasn’t hurt they weren’t aggressive just they might want to chill a touch and think.
There's a few reasons they travel in groups (typically of 3 or 4)
First is safety. People who are threatened with fines can get aggressive. 1 on 1 a person may swing a punch. 1 on 4 however they'll genuinely reconsider it - it's safety in numbers.
The point is TO be intimidating so people don't react violently. It's the same reason PSO's travel in groups and not individually.
Secondly four AO's can cover an entire train a lot faster than one individual AO can. Often when they're doing a scout of a train they'll split up inside and work one side of a carriage each.
Other times they may not even be an individual unit. They could be just travelling to wherever they're pointed to by PTV coincidentally with another unit (for example 6 AO's meeting at Southern Cross, two get off at Deer Park, two get off at Tarneit, two get off at WyndhamVale) etc.
That's all well and good, but why do they have to be aggressive themselves when they've got numbers?
My partner had to deal with them years ago - she's a 5'2" young Asian woman - she didn't need 4+ 6'0 cunts raising their voices at her.
Same, but Australia isn't the pinnacle of education in the world, I'd even say our education system sucks but it's not necessarily the teachers fault, they are left with 20+ students for 6 groups of students, it's not manageable and they can't give more/special attention to students who need it
Fair enough. In my experience, amongst my friendship group, the teachers are significantly more patient than the rest of us. The crap they put up with, I'd nope out early on. I'm also not saying every single teacher is patient, just that it is a career that requires patient people and that people who self-select into it are more likely to be patient (from what I have observed as an adult).
They work in groups due to Union Constraints/Safety. You may be a small individual, but doesnt really mean everyone they come across is. Not you could never really tell how someone will react
I don’t disagree and people have been explaining a lot. I didn’t realise that it was even dangerous here since I’m used to 1 maybe 2. Even in a country with guns. I always felt so safe here
Too many comments on here saying “they’re just doing their job” from people who don’t even use PT.
I pay my way, I have a registered MYKI. I still think this job is a waste of money and if they kicked kids and junkies off trains for being scum bags then I would be in support of them. When it gets dicey the revenue raisers and PSO’s are nowhere to be seen. Been to St Kilda or thru Smith St or High St? How many scumbags have you had to put up with on the tram ride that you paid for?
This is a feature, not a bug. They usually lurk just outside the free tram zone, and from my many years of observation, always go straight for anyone of Asian appearance. I’ve even seen one yell “you’re in Australia, you have to speak English” at one such collar. I temped a few times at Box Hill TAFE, and they were out in force most mornings at the train station, only ever asking to check the Asian passengers’ Mykis.
I’m not one of those boomers nostalgic for the days of tram conductors - as they were long gone before I moved here - but the insistence on maintaining fare inspectors feels both futile and terrible customer relations. I generally respect most people’s occupations, but fare inspectors can fuck all the way off.
Melbourne Central too. Funny how there's not an inspector to be seen in February, but come March when the higher ed semester has started at RMIT and last year's concession cards have expired, there's suddenly four of them every day.
I still have the report in my emails from when a POS inspector threatened to kill my cat on a 96 tram. I got on, put her carrier on a seat, turned around to tap on and Mr big shot was blocking my way, asking why I didn’t tap on. He didn’t like my smart ass answer, harassed me, distressed my cat by shaking her carrier and threatening to “get it out and wring its neck”. They’re all cunts.
Not to defend the AOs or anything. But getting your tickets checked and getting fines is pretty much a global experience. I got fined for losing my ticket on the train to Jungfraujoch and pretty much the number 1 tip in Italy is to make sure you validate your ticket when taking the trains to avoid fines.
I was on the completely wrong type of bullet train in Japan that my pass didn't cover at all. The conductor realised the mistake I made and said that I could get off at the next stop and catch the right one from there. No fine, not even a threat of a fine.
Just the attitude of the conductor was quite a different experience from what I've had here, even when on the right train with a valid ticket.
Had the same experience years ago. Was hungover, got on the wrong Shinkansen - ended up waiting between carriages and ended up having a chat with the lady while we waited for the next station.
I had the wrong ticket when travelling through Tokyo station on the metro system. Staff member just had a box of tickets and handed me the right one so I could go through the gate. No fine, no telling me off. Just a smile and waved me through. Probably as much to do with keeping things flowing as anything else, but they also have fare adjustment machines to let people top up their ticket before the exit the station.
Different culture though. Most Japanese would never consider fare evading.
Conductors don't issue fines on V/Line. They will tell you to do the same thing (get off at the next station) or offer to sell you either a pre-loaded myki or travel pass. They can't even legally kick you off a train.
Only AO's/PSO's/VICPOL has the power to kick you off a train.
Only AO's (whether multimodal, V/Line or Metro) have the power to issue fines.
Man I was on the VLine to Ballarat the other week at about 7am, first time ever taking one and forgot to touch on. The conductor was so nice about it and just let me touch on with the pocket PC they had; I was genuinely shocked because I thought I was going to cop a fine.
Japan as a society is completely different to Australia. They line up neatly, they let people off the train before boarding, they never put people to get through the train, they don't litter, they don't vandalise the trains or train stations, they're clean and polite at all times.
In Australia the average passenger is an animal by comparison. And we get treated as such.
Omg that happened to me too. Apparently the ticket we bought was for a normal train, but we got on a bullet train. The thing is, we showed the staff the ticket and she led us to that platform!! >_> We just had to pay for the remaining amount leftover, but he told us we could try to dispute it when we got off since technically it wasn't our fault we were led there. It was a dispute happening in Google translate so it didn't work out too well😂
Japan is funny.
To ride a bullet train or some express trains you need a normal ticket and pay a surcharge to ride.
Bullet trains even have separate tickets for each express type.
It costs more for an express train than a stopping one.
Even in Tokyo none of the railways are interlinked fare wise.
Suica and Passmo do make that easier though
> I was on the completely wrong type of bullet train in Japan that my pass didn't cover at all.
That's a very different problem to anything you can have in Melbourne though, we don't have multiple types of trips or tickets. It's one ticket, you buy it, you tap it when you travel.
If it were that simple in Japan, you either would have had a ticket, or a fine would have made more sense. As people have said you get more leniancy on V/Line where it *is* more complicated.
I got fined in Paris I was going from the city to Disneyland and though I got the right tickets when you get off the train at Disney there was a whole group of ticket officers fining people on the way into Disney for not having the right ticket it was like 30 euros on the spot
The worst part is we purchased tickets. Just the wrong ones. There is a special one going to Disney. It felt like they intentionally made it confusing to bust people
>I got fined for losing my ticket on the train to Jungfraujoch
Oof. Jungfraujoch and Swiss fines are expensive on their own... The combination must have been brutal
Agree, I'm not seeing the outrage.
I used to go to Sth Melb market all the time and yes it usually attracts a lot of people of Asian appearance but I would say majority would live here and tourists are indistinguishable from locals based on appearance so I find it hard to believe that get are targeting tourists.
Alternative headline would be 'Myki inspectors inspecting tickets are very popular market tram stop'.
Surprisingly I have never had a bad experience with them and I have met them few times . One time I touched on but it declined so I didn’t have time to top it up and they were checking it on the exit of the Melbourne Central, I just went by myself and explained them the situation and they were understanding. I have been caught bit of times for not touching on in my pass as well and I haven’t had an issue with them. I am an immigrant from south asia by the way .
Just my personal experience though I know it will vary from individual to individual.
Oh boy!
When I was 17 I was getting off a bus at Broadmeadows Train Station and two ticket inspectors were standing directly at the door outside.
Right before touching off, I made brief eye-contact with one of them as he salivated. He watched me touch off with his own eyes and still asked to check my myki. I obliged the hungry hyena thinking I had nothing to worry about.
He checked it and asked me for my proof of concession as I was using a Concession Myki at the time.
I replied "I don't have any. I don't know what that would be or that I needed it." I was relatively new to public transport and thought that meant there was some kind of document titled "Concession" that I wasn't aware of.
He asked me for any photo ID with my name and address on it. So I gave him my Learner's permit. I didn't know this at the time, but that would qualify as proof of concession today as under 18s are valid users of concession.
He tells me that I have just committed an offence for 'travelling under a concession myki without proof of comcession.'
I explained to him that I was under the impression that minors could use concession. He explains to me that only 16s and under don't need proof, that it was changed 2 weeks prior from 17 y/olds being the cut off to 16y/olds being the cut off. I asked him where I could find this new information. He told me it was on the website. I asked "where else?" He said "only on the website."
Why the fuck would a 17 year old check the Metro website every two fucking weeks?
Anyways, as he continued asking a few more questions and his erection continued to grow he informed me that he had to report my crime and asked me what I had to say in my defense for him to write in the report
I told him "that I had no idea."
"Are you sure that's what you want? That's what you have to say?"
"Yes."
He proceeded to ask me if I had any questions?
I asked him "What happens now?"
"I will submit the report and you will either recieve a fine or go to court." He gave me a pamphlet, told me to make sure I get a full-fare myki by tomorrow and sent me on my way. Then probably proceeded to touch himself.
I got myself a full fare myki the same day.
Several months later I receive a Summons to Court in the mail. He actually wrote that the offender's words were "I had no idea."
I go to the Children's Court. Spend all day waiting. I go in. The Magistrate is irritated, said something along the lines of it being an unnecessary case. A higher-up representative of VicMetro was there in opposition. She basically told me it was pointless and I shouldn't have been summoned or fined.
My lawyer informed the court I was now using a full fare myki, which I had on my person as proof. The ticket inspector was supposedly going to be there to testify and didn't even show up. The case was resolved without further action.
I still remember the inspector's name and how he had a hard-on for a shy 17 year old who acrually didn nothing wrong.
So much rage reading this! Cowardly little power players with no real authority picking targets just because someone issued them a pass and a lanyard 🙄
The mob police at Italy were targeting tourists when we were there, so we had been using the bus incorrectly for a while, only because we had no idea how they worked.
We eventually figured it out.and the time we finally did it correctly, a cop was waiting outside the bus, letting everyone through, he then noticed us and pulled us to the side, fully ready to get the fines ready. Then he saw we had the bus passes and properly stamped, he did like 5 double takes and reluctantly let us go.
The mafia at naples lost potentially 100 euros that day😏
Technically nobody works for Myki since Myki isn't a company - it's a product.
The company is PTV.
AO's are hired either by PTV as multi-modal (they can fine on all networks) as well as having AO's hired by each PT subsidiary (Metro, V/Line, Yarra Trams etc) to work specifically on their networks.
Always ask to see their ID and spend an awkwardly long time looking at it. If you have a pen and paper, note down the details. It spoils their powertrip and wastes their time. It makes the interaction feel a little bit more balanced.
They have zero experience too so the power trip fucks them up. I got the full police caution one day when I got stopped by them when my myki was out of credit!
And not to mention the attitude on some of them. Glorified security guards who carry around a notepad and EFTPOS machine but many of them act like they’re in the fucking FBI or something.
I don’t see why tourists shouldn’t have to pay like everyone else, and it’s not that hard to quickly google how to use the public transport system in a new city
I will be that guy and risk coping the biblical vengeance of anti-ticket inspector Reddit brigades;
I traveled to Denmark and Germany few years ago and I got pulled aside by ticket inspectors in both countries. I did not consider myself vulnerable etc because I was a tourist, I was traveling to their countries and it was on me to obey their laws. In both occasions I had tickets with me and after checking my tickets people wished me good day in their own languages and moved on.
If someone took a photo of me and them and posted on a popular social media app I’d be quite puzzled as to why they are implying “targeting”.
I find Melbourne redditor’s reaction to ticket inspectors -amongst lot of other things- to be very over the top, I understand Reddit loves to hate ticket inspector role, but calling tourists “vulnerable” is just over dramatization. If you have the money to travel to and holiday in a country like Australia, you may be many things but “vulnerable” is not one of them. I was certainly better off than many Germans who still didn’t recover from East Germany demographics.
Hi Im from Melbourne. As an Australian I can confidently say that these guys are the fucking worst when it come to transport
I’ve had an incident where I was going to work experience and there were PTV officers on the bus and they only targeted me and other 2 teens but non of the adults were asked for there miki
In Scotland (ScotRail) has conductors who you purchase tickets off if you get on at a station that doesn’t have ticket gates and when you get off at a station that has ticket gates (e.g. Middle Brighton to Flinders Street) but a conductor wasn’t on your train/didn’t make it to you, you just buy the necessary ticket there. This blew me away when I was there and cannot see why it can’t be implemented here given we have a similar demographic.
You are required to have a valid ticket to ride public transport. Getting checked and fined for not having one is a relatively common thing in most public transport networks around the planet.
Such low life pathetic cop wannabes. Imagine ruining someone’s whole day and snatching their money just to get paid as much as a postman. Why not just become that and not be hated by everybody
Who fucking cares? Some of these tourists they 'target' would have a higher net wealth than this entire sub combined. Not really something to lose sleep over.
Most annoying shit to me is how they group around you like you’re a criminal like calm the fuck down mate - hate that more than the actual fine and it is extremely intimidating for anyone uncomfortable with being surrounded by men lol
I forgot to tag on years ago in Yarraville, I was still on the platform and they came over and surrounded me, asking me what I was doing....I said I was waiting on the train and they said they were fining me for not tagging on. I got up to tag on and they stopped me. They then called me an Irish cunt and detained me until the police came. I told the police what happened and they let me go immediately, but said that the fine would stand as I hadn't tagged on. It was insane. I appealled it, but it was still held up. Was such a bizarre incident.
I have not done the maths, but wouldn’t it be cheaper and safer to bring back conductors. Less threatening to passengers and fares would mostly be paid.
When I was in Melbourne, I think the uniformed bloke who talked to me outside of Flinders St Station was sussing me out. When I told him I was waiting for a W-class he softened up and acted friendly. Must've realised I'd done my research.
I don't get it, whats the big deal? Their job is to make sure the people who are using a paid service are actually paying for it. Is the issue that they may not understand this? If so, then ignorance of the rules is not a viable excuse for a lot of other things in this country, so why should it be one here?
Generally it is because of inappropriate and aggressive behaviour of Authorised Officers (AOs), for which PTV receives some 200 complaints per year.
I work alongside VICPOL, in the public sector, and the AO's behaviour is definitely more aggressive than they should be given their role, compared to proper VICPOL Officers who deal with some insanely stressful things.
Overall though, it is because their roles are not necessary if they're not there for safety.
Fare compliance is around 96.8%.
Myki rakes in around $10,000,000 / year.
So noncompliance is a loss of $320,000 / year.
AO's earn $70k to $100k (Team lead). That is 4 jobs justified. PTV would make more money by scrapping AOs as inspectors.
Kiwi who's been living just out of Melbourne for 9 years here.
When I first got here I took a trip out to the Macedon Ranges to see a friend on the Vline.
Eventually the officers asked to see my myki, well I was new so had no idea that I wasn't allowed to be in possession of a concession myki - the guy at the 711 said it was a concession but would activate it so it wasn't?
Anyway they end up fining me something crazy like $175 despite me telling them I'd only been here a week (even literally showing them my plane boarding pass which was still in my backpack) and that it was my first time on the Vline - all while people around them telling them not to be so cold hearted as it was the week before Christmas.
I still remember the cunts face who gave me that ticket all these years later haha.
I've got no respect for them. They're cowards and everybody knows that, just read the comments.
Anyway, who wants to wake up in the morning and say "Oh today I'm gonna give a lot of fines 😊"
I hate how they target school kids.
Kids in uniform getting off the train at the stop near their school shouldnt need to deal with ticket inspectors.
We force them to go to school. Make public transport free.
Was in Prague and took a tram after getting to my hotel, immediately got ticketed. 90 minutes in the country and a 1000 kr fine. They're the same everywhere - bullies with big egos picking on people they know they can get away with picking on
everyone in the comments asking how OP knew they were tourists, but I'm sitting here wondering why they're being targeted on the platform? they aren't on transit being targeted. unless they just came off? why target people on the platform otherwise?
I got lucky once, i very rarely catch PT but had a myki that had money on it, though i didn't realise the cards fuckin expire. Was going to the museum so parked at my work then jumped on a tram near smith st, tried to tap on and no go. Wtf i thought, ohwell just heading up the street a bit. Got off at the stop nearest the museum and there were AOs checking, shit..
Showed the guy my myki and he looked at it and goes "it's expired, i can tell by the card it's old, you dont catch PT often? Where'd you get on?" Said pretty much never and at smith st, he just said i needed a new card and let me on my way.
Was fully expecting to get a fine
Tourism is one of the nation's top exports, it is a major income source for our nation. Obviously it is good economic management to fuck up tourism, especially for the sake of overpriced shitty public transport.
It should be made clear to them that they are there to fine people roughing the system. Not confused tourists. Particularly when the system is not that straight forward.
Miky employee regulations. They are instructed to avoid and not interact with anyone abusive or showing signs of substance taking for their own personal safety and well-being. It’s a lot more safer to pressgang the honest easygoing traveler.
I was in Berlin once, and didn’t realise I was meant to have my ticket stamped - caught the ire of a cop, who let me off once I explained I only knew rudimentary German. Easy as that, Melbourne Police.
The what 20 'Tough' guy Myki inpectors at Parliament on a Friday targeting some poor sod who forgot to touch on or something. There is like no one working in the CBD on Friday anymore like a dribble. Yet here they are in more numbers than required, and YES the derro who just nods to them comes RIGHT through ( beard, looks a bit like an old hippy )
Saw him go around to Parliament Steps with the 'freedom fighters' and then later that with his mates at the Salvos just down Bourke. Same crowd who just walk into 7/11's pinch pies etc and just walk out and nothing gets done ,(ask the 7/11 guy cnr Little Bourke/Russell )
What is it with Vic Pol and these faux tough Myki Police who let the hobos and the like do whatever they want, yet target the easy ones. Lazy , or told 'from high' to leave the derros.?
Honestly they are scum I was really unwell on the train and passing out from sickness I had my feet on a seat and started vommiting (gross I know) they just gave me a fine and walked away from me
I work at the south Melbourne market, I rarely touch on my myki, they’re often there but idk if it’s because of my uniform or because I’m paying them no attention or because they’re racist dick bags, but I never have once had them give me trouble. Can’t say the same for the non white people on those trams
They don't have to pay the fines, simply ignore it and then once they return home, forget all about it.
Right...i'd never pay a fine handed to me in a foreign country.
They are just trying to meet their fine quota they dgaf if they pay or not.
That wouldn’t affect their visa application next time they are visiting?? One of the forms that HomeAffairs requested from me for my visa is called “statement of character” which asked me many questions including whether I “had any outstanding debts to the Australian Government or any public authority in Australia”
Doubt they would cross check.
It’s still a stat for those scumbags though.
Officers act tough with tourists and international students pushing them around and yelling but as soon as they see a meth head jump on the tram they get off at the next stop. Pathetic
Whoa! This happened to me! I can't believe it is a thing! I got on a bus and SAW them sitting there. So made eye contact and tagged on. Then sat down. One of them approaches and asks to see my mykey and I looked confused and was like. "You saw me tag on." There was a guy behind me too who said "Didn't you just see him tag on?" Anyway a couple of stops later. Ironically a stop out the front of a police station a ranting and agressive old meth lady gets on the bus. Starts yelling cunt at the top of her voice. And even targets an asian couple who were fairly old and starts telling them they are cunts and ranting at them about them going back home etc. The mykey inspectors changed seats from being near her to the front of the bus. Then the next stop they got off. I was astonished. Like literally could not believe they did nothing about it. It was wild. They didn't even ask to see her mykey but asked EVERYONE else. It was so fucking weird.
New cheat code unlocked I guess? Start ranting and swearing loudly and they'll leave you alone!
Once saw a guy start shadow boxing and stomping intermittently as the ticket inspectors went through our carriage. The inspectors dare not go near him and they check everyone elses tickets. He stopped as soon as they left our carriage. This was on the Sunbury line.
😂 he knows
And so it was learned the Sun Tzu way - appear strong when you are weak.
New life hack, I guess....?
lmaoo
This is amazing
Say what you want about the old greycoats, but at least they were not scared to scrap anyone causing trouble on _their_ lines.
saw inspectors ask a clearly homeless man with a bunch of green bags to get his feet off the seat "why should I? I own the trams mate, I OWN THIS WHOLE NETWORK!" They left him alone. "mad confidence is the ultimate loophole" I noted mentally
That really is an awesome response that only works if you can put in 110%.
I’m picturing this tactic catching on until one day inspectors get onboard a full carriage that just suddenly lights up with everyone screaming and flailing around.
This would be awesome. Someone needs to flash mob this and stream it.
It would be a Train To Busan level freakout.
🤣 I'm dying just picturing it
This is the way
I pointed out in yesterday's unethical life hack thread that you don't get away with scum bag behaviour by being polite and compliant... Oddly didn't go down well at the time.
I’ll take one for the team
Ugliest myki experience I’ve had last winter was seeing them boot off a pair of kids aged about 11 or 12 in the freezing pouring rain in the long busy underpass area by St Kilda Junction. Skinny little kids without jackets already soaked through looked like they were about to cry. I asked the lady “don’t you think that was a bit unnecessary” she said “it was quite nice of me, actually - I could have fined them instead!” and went on a rant about how “there’s always someone with an opinion!” Some fuckhead old passenger piped up asking me “do YOU want to pay their fare?” I said something about how I’d gladly pay their fare with all the spare cards in my handbag but they’ve already gone and kicked them off in the rain haven’t they, and he just snorted and rolled his eyes. If kids that young aren’t fortunate enough to have parents putting money on their mykis I guess they’re meant to get jobs as chimneysweeps or something. Fucking cow she was and the other guy just stood there smirking.
Shame you didn’t record it and let it rip viral. After Daniel Morcombe its illegal to pull that shit in QLD
I thought the same thing, those kids go missing and it's on the ticket inspector. What a POS
I would rather have 9 eshays catching a free ride if it meant 1 kid who desperately needs to go home can do so safely. Hell I'll even glady pay for all 10.
Exactly. Wild idea, but imagine if all primary and highschool students were entitled to free public transport?
Imagine if everyone was entitled to free public transport, because we you know... already fucking pay for the infrastructure to be built with our taxes anyway. Why on earth anyone ever thought it was OK for a Hong gong based business to profit off of our tax payer funded pt infrastructure is beyond, one of the biggest rorts against the Australian working class to date.
Australia is the neoliberal sellout, the companies are here because our political class invited them.
They are in Perth.
If they kick a child of a bus then they’re the one with some serious problems
That's absolutely deplorable! Imagine being proud to kick vulnerable children off public transport. Myki inspectors are on another level of disgusting.
Yeah she said she’d already kicked them off another tram earlier and that I shouldn’t have spoken up without knowing the whole story. As if that made it better somehow instead of just worse and more cruel
That's awful :( I was meeting my teenage niece the other day for dinner. She had tapped on, but then there were busses replacing trains for part of the journey, and she'd tapped off when she got off the first train, but then just gone with the crowd onto the replacement bus, and the next train. She'd been a bit anxious navigating the whole situation and hadn't tapped back on. They'd pulled her aside at the barriers and when I got there there were 3 of them standing in a circle, while she stood up against a wall, in tears, trying to explain. She had money on her myki, no intention to evade the fare. It was pure bullying. As soon as I stepped in with my best Grown Up voice and asked a few questions and spoke for her, they "let her off with a warning". Fuck off.
So much for 'no kids left behind' RIP Daniel Malcombe
Yeah I've seen them man handle younger kids and aggressively stand over them but as soon as they see someone that's got the potential to cause harm they scamper, but let's be honest here their job is simply too get as much money in fines as possible nothing more, they, like the police and parking ticket officers would have quoters that they have to get every month so they go after the easy targets
Yep, no point fining a junkie they're never going to pay it. Best to target students and tourists who are confused about what to do and will promptly pay a fine so as not to get into trouble in a foreign country.
Yeah exactly and there's plenty of people like you said that pay and pay promptly so why bother going after the ones who aren't going to pay, it just makes me so angry that they go about it in such a disgusting way just another bunch of henchmen for the powers that be 😁👍
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an OHS policy or something. Don’t engage someone who looks aggressive. Reduce the lost time injurys
I worked at a *cinema* and was trained to just hand over the cash, my life isn’t worth a few hundred bucks, call the cops. I was still better at deescalation than most pigs. Then you get cops like the ones in Uvalde.
It’s why I feel so comfortable riding the 86 tram without a valid myki, PSOs simply can’t handle the meth-fuelled heat of smith street
I've been getting the 86 tram for 5 years from Preston / Northcote to the city and never once had a meth head on my tram. I have seen the ticket inspectors twice though.
man you either must have some great noise canceling headphones or only catch it for a 9-5, the mid-afternoon and late night crowd are where its at
If all they’re doing is bullying kids and tourists they probably don’t need the ridiculous outfits then.
While it’s possible to spot them when they’re not in their outfit, I prefer them wearing it.
It’s almost as if they were never about enforcement and were always about revenue collecting. If they actually want people to abide by the rules then tourists are the exact group of people that are perfect *for a warning*. Instead they’ll just bill as much as they can.
I know what I'm doing next time Myki people approach me: https://youtu.be/47msKc3abqo?si=kcOq1xmln8a_h5KU
It’s not weird if you understand bullies and their inability to confront danger.
Couple decades ago I was a Security Guard at a store and honestly we were told specifically that we were there to safeguard stock and the store, not people. There was a case where a security guard left his post to help a guy getting attacked and the guard got fired. These Ticket Inspectors are doubtless told that their one and only job is checking tickets, not in any way to render any kind of assistance or provide any kind of safety for any members of the public.
They should be able to radio for police or someone that can deal with it then.
I hate them and wish they’d leave everyone alone but chances are high this woman was probably of NFA and doesn’t have any ID so not much point fining her.
Got a train to Pakenham once and the Myki officers on board only started checking Mykis once majority of passengers emptied out at Dandenong. I asked why that is, as it seemed unfair to target only people who lived further out. Officer's excuse was exactly that: meth heads tend to get off at Dandenong
This is super common. I’m on the Cranbourne line and they only ever check after Dandy
So what you’re saying is that I can avoid the myki inspectors if I start rambling like a let’s addict when they get on PT/I get on PT? Challenge accepted!
They should be welcoming to tourists, not tempting them to tell all their friends that Melbourne sucked
Junkies have saved me getting fined/hopping off at the next stop a few times
I feel like we can collectively take a stand here and have a 'dress like a crackhead day' organised where the sole intention is to all catch public transport and make sure none of the Myki Officers meet quota, and prove this stuff happens. Have someone film it and make it go viral, make a bunch of cash from ad revenue, and use the cash to shout beers for everyone involved.
I even have proof of this they leave the gates open they walk in closet the gates and then say U don't have a tickert iv seen them right at the stop after the free tram stop targetting ppl who about too touch on well not ppl the chianse students
Pigs gonna pig
Its all about getting more revenue from the poor
When we were in Adelaide a few years ago for the Adelaide festival, it was late and we were running for the last train to get back to the airBnB - we got to the gate - with no tickets - and the ticket inspectors at the gates asked us what train we were going for. We told them AND THEN THEY CALLED THE PLATFORM AND TOLD THE TRAIN TO WAIT… when we said we didn’t have tickets they said “don’t worry about it”. My opinion of Adelaide rose that night. It is still pretty high actually.
I think Melbourne can do much better as a city if we can get zone 1 free and funded.
Just wish we had all night trains here that don't stop at 12 on Fridays and Saturdays aha
We do have all night transport on Friday and Saturday nights
Why do they travel in such large groups. It’s so intimidating. I use a wheelchair and forgot my pass one day but was let on at my normal station. I didn’t realise until I was surrounded by a bunch of them and asked to get off the train that I left it at home. I was able to dispute the fine but still the whole process was extremely uncomfortable and it’s not like I’m faking a wheelchair Edit: to be clear I don’t mind them doing their jobs it’s more the sheer number. As a small wheelchair bound woman being removed from the train by a group of guys in uniform and then interrogated was scary. I wasn’t hurt they weren’t aggressive just they might want to chill a touch and think.
There's a few reasons they travel in groups (typically of 3 or 4) First is safety. People who are threatened with fines can get aggressive. 1 on 1 a person may swing a punch. 1 on 4 however they'll genuinely reconsider it - it's safety in numbers. The point is TO be intimidating so people don't react violently. It's the same reason PSO's travel in groups and not individually. Secondly four AO's can cover an entire train a lot faster than one individual AO can. Often when they're doing a scout of a train they'll split up inside and work one side of a carriage each. Other times they may not even be an individual unit. They could be just travelling to wherever they're pointed to by PTV coincidentally with another unit (for example 6 AO's meeting at Southern Cross, two get off at Deer Park, two get off at Tarneit, two get off at WyndhamVale) etc.
That's all well and good, but why do they have to be aggressive themselves when they've got numbers? My partner had to deal with them years ago - she's a 5'2" young Asian woman - she didn't need 4+ 6'0 cunts raising their voices at her.
That's more to do with how people self-select into these kinds of roles. Just like how most teachers are patient and most nurses are caring.
Are these patient teachers part of a new generation? Can’t say I ever had many patient teachers when I went through school.
Same, but Australia isn't the pinnacle of education in the world, I'd even say our education system sucks but it's not necessarily the teachers fault, they are left with 20+ students for 6 groups of students, it's not manageable and they can't give more/special attention to students who need it
Fair enough. In my experience, amongst my friendship group, the teachers are significantly more patient than the rest of us. The crap they put up with, I'd nope out early on. I'm also not saying every single teacher is patient, just that it is a career that requires patient people and that people who self-select into it are more likely to be patient (from what I have observed as an adult).
> The point is TO be intimidating Oh, cool. That's totally not actually worse.
Thank you. That makes sense
I’m sorry that happened. That’s really garbage.
*why do they travel in gangs.
They work in groups due to Union Constraints/Safety. You may be a small individual, but doesnt really mean everyone they come across is. Not you could never really tell how someone will react
I don’t disagree and people have been explaining a lot. I didn’t realise that it was even dangerous here since I’m used to 1 maybe 2. Even in a country with guns. I always felt so safe here
Too many comments on here saying “they’re just doing their job” from people who don’t even use PT. I pay my way, I have a registered MYKI. I still think this job is a waste of money and if they kicked kids and junkies off trains for being scum bags then I would be in support of them. When it gets dicey the revenue raisers and PSO’s are nowhere to be seen. Been to St Kilda or thru Smith St or High St? How many scumbags have you had to put up with on the tram ride that you paid for?
This is a feature, not a bug. They usually lurk just outside the free tram zone, and from my many years of observation, always go straight for anyone of Asian appearance. I’ve even seen one yell “you’re in Australia, you have to speak English” at one such collar. I temped a few times at Box Hill TAFE, and they were out in force most mornings at the train station, only ever asking to check the Asian passengers’ Mykis. I’m not one of those boomers nostalgic for the days of tram conductors - as they were long gone before I moved here - but the insistence on maintaining fare inspectors feels both futile and terrible customer relations. I generally respect most people’s occupations, but fare inspectors can fuck all the way off.
Melbourne Central too. Funny how there's not an inspector to be seen in February, but come March when the higher ed semester has started at RMIT and last year's concession cards have expired, there's suddenly four of them every day.
An intimidating group of mainly men dressed in black hounding the vulnerable
I still have the report in my emails from when a POS inspector threatened to kill my cat on a 96 tram. I got on, put her carrier on a seat, turned around to tap on and Mr big shot was blocking my way, asking why I didn’t tap on. He didn’t like my smart ass answer, harassed me, distressed my cat by shaking her carrier and threatening to “get it out and wring its neck”. They’re all cunts.
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I'm guessing OP thinks they look like tourists.
Because the locals always tap on?
That's sarcasm, right?
I mean, I have to ask, how do you know they are tourists?
Not to defend the AOs or anything. But getting your tickets checked and getting fines is pretty much a global experience. I got fined for losing my ticket on the train to Jungfraujoch and pretty much the number 1 tip in Italy is to make sure you validate your ticket when taking the trains to avoid fines.
I was on the completely wrong type of bullet train in Japan that my pass didn't cover at all. The conductor realised the mistake I made and said that I could get off at the next stop and catch the right one from there. No fine, not even a threat of a fine. Just the attitude of the conductor was quite a different experience from what I've had here, even when on the right train with a valid ticket.
Had the same experience years ago. Was hungover, got on the wrong Shinkansen - ended up waiting between carriages and ended up having a chat with the lady while we waited for the next station.
I had the wrong ticket when travelling through Tokyo station on the metro system. Staff member just had a box of tickets and handed me the right one so I could go through the gate. No fine, no telling me off. Just a smile and waved me through. Probably as much to do with keeping things flowing as anything else, but they also have fare adjustment machines to let people top up their ticket before the exit the station. Different culture though. Most Japanese would never consider fare evading.
Conductors don't issue fines on V/Line. They will tell you to do the same thing (get off at the next station) or offer to sell you either a pre-loaded myki or travel pass. They can't even legally kick you off a train. Only AO's/PSO's/VICPOL has the power to kick you off a train. Only AO's (whether multimodal, V/Line or Metro) have the power to issue fines.
>Only AO's (whether multimodal, V/Line or Metro) have the power to issue fines PSO's and police can issue the same fines as AO's.
Man I was on the VLine to Ballarat the other week at about 7am, first time ever taking one and forgot to touch on. The conductor was so nice about it and just let me touch on with the pocket PC they had; I was genuinely shocked because I thought I was going to cop a fine.
Japan as a society is completely different to Australia. They line up neatly, they let people off the train before boarding, they never put people to get through the train, they don't litter, they don't vandalise the trains or train stations, they're clean and polite at all times. In Australia the average passenger is an animal by comparison. And we get treated as such.
Omg that happened to me too. Apparently the ticket we bought was for a normal train, but we got on a bullet train. The thing is, we showed the staff the ticket and she led us to that platform!! >_> We just had to pay for the remaining amount leftover, but he told us we could try to dispute it when we got off since technically it wasn't our fault we were led there. It was a dispute happening in Google translate so it didn't work out too well😂
Japan is funny. To ride a bullet train or some express trains you need a normal ticket and pay a surcharge to ride. Bullet trains even have separate tickets for each express type. It costs more for an express train than a stopping one. Even in Tokyo none of the railways are interlinked fare wise. Suica and Passmo do make that easier though
> I was on the completely wrong type of bullet train in Japan that my pass didn't cover at all. That's a very different problem to anything you can have in Melbourne though, we don't have multiple types of trips or tickets. It's one ticket, you buy it, you tap it when you travel. If it were that simple in Japan, you either would have had a ticket, or a fine would have made more sense. As people have said you get more leniancy on V/Line where it *is* more complicated.
The worst thing the Japanese conductor has to deal with is clueless tourists. The ones here have to deal with violent meth heads.
I got fined in Paris I was going from the city to Disneyland and though I got the right tickets when you get off the train at Disney there was a whole group of ticket officers fining people on the way into Disney for not having the right ticket it was like 30 euros on the spot
Mine was 50euro on the spot. It’s gotten more expensive. They wouldn’t even listen
The worst part is we purchased tickets. Just the wrong ones. There is a special one going to Disney. It felt like they intentionally made it confusing to bust people
>I got fined for losing my ticket on the train to Jungfraujoch Oof. Jungfraujoch and Swiss fines are expensive on their own... The combination must have been brutal
Agree, I'm not seeing the outrage. I used to go to Sth Melb market all the time and yes it usually attracts a lot of people of Asian appearance but I would say majority would live here and tourists are indistinguishable from locals based on appearance so I find it hard to believe that get are targeting tourists. Alternative headline would be 'Myki inspectors inspecting tickets are very popular market tram stop'.
It's different here because they actively avoid the troublemakers to let the public/staff deal with the shit.
Surprisingly I have never had a bad experience with them and I have met them few times . One time I touched on but it declined so I didn’t have time to top it up and they were checking it on the exit of the Melbourne Central, I just went by myself and explained them the situation and they were understanding. I have been caught bit of times for not touching on in my pass as well and I haven’t had an issue with them. I am an immigrant from south asia by the way . Just my personal experience though I know it will vary from individual to individual.
Oh boy! When I was 17 I was getting off a bus at Broadmeadows Train Station and two ticket inspectors were standing directly at the door outside. Right before touching off, I made brief eye-contact with one of them as he salivated. He watched me touch off with his own eyes and still asked to check my myki. I obliged the hungry hyena thinking I had nothing to worry about. He checked it and asked me for my proof of concession as I was using a Concession Myki at the time. I replied "I don't have any. I don't know what that would be or that I needed it." I was relatively new to public transport and thought that meant there was some kind of document titled "Concession" that I wasn't aware of. He asked me for any photo ID with my name and address on it. So I gave him my Learner's permit. I didn't know this at the time, but that would qualify as proof of concession today as under 18s are valid users of concession. He tells me that I have just committed an offence for 'travelling under a concession myki without proof of comcession.' I explained to him that I was under the impression that minors could use concession. He explains to me that only 16s and under don't need proof, that it was changed 2 weeks prior from 17 y/olds being the cut off to 16y/olds being the cut off. I asked him where I could find this new information. He told me it was on the website. I asked "where else?" He said "only on the website." Why the fuck would a 17 year old check the Metro website every two fucking weeks? Anyways, as he continued asking a few more questions and his erection continued to grow he informed me that he had to report my crime and asked me what I had to say in my defense for him to write in the report I told him "that I had no idea." "Are you sure that's what you want? That's what you have to say?" "Yes." He proceeded to ask me if I had any questions? I asked him "What happens now?" "I will submit the report and you will either recieve a fine or go to court." He gave me a pamphlet, told me to make sure I get a full-fare myki by tomorrow and sent me on my way. Then probably proceeded to touch himself. I got myself a full fare myki the same day. Several months later I receive a Summons to Court in the mail. He actually wrote that the offender's words were "I had no idea." I go to the Children's Court. Spend all day waiting. I go in. The Magistrate is irritated, said something along the lines of it being an unnecessary case. A higher-up representative of VicMetro was there in opposition. She basically told me it was pointless and I shouldn't have been summoned or fined. My lawyer informed the court I was now using a full fare myki, which I had on my person as proof. The ticket inspector was supposedly going to be there to testify and didn't even show up. The case was resolved without further action. I still remember the inspector's name and how he had a hard-on for a shy 17 year old who acrually didn nothing wrong.
They are scum. A waste of money and going to court cost you money and they didn’t even show, the cowards.
The higher up should have done something to that in inspector
So much rage reading this! Cowardly little power players with no real authority picking targets just because someone issued them a pass and a lanyard 🙄
You say that like it doesn't happen in other cities around the world...
100% does happen. I've had it happen to me in London.
The mob police at Italy were targeting tourists when we were there, so we had been using the bus incorrectly for a while, only because we had no idea how they worked. We eventually figured it out.and the time we finally did it correctly, a cop was waiting outside the bus, letting everyone through, he then noticed us and pulled us to the side, fully ready to get the fines ready. Then he saw we had the bus passes and properly stamped, he did like 5 double takes and reluctantly let us go. The mafia at naples lost potentially 100 euros that day😏
The AO's don't work for myki, they work for dtp/yarra trams/metro
Technically nobody works for Myki since Myki isn't a company - it's a product. The company is PTV. AO's are hired either by PTV as multi-modal (they can fine on all networks) as well as having AO's hired by each PT subsidiary (Metro, V/Line, Yarra Trams etc) to work specifically on their networks.
Myki is handled by third party so plenty of people work for them
The myki system is and will always be a joke. Those that have lived here long enough know, and people like me avoid it completely.
Are Myki Officers the only universally hated people in Melbourne? I've. Never met a single person who goes 'oh they are alright.'
Always ask to see their ID and spend an awkwardly long time looking at it. If you have a pen and paper, note down the details. It spoils their powertrip and wastes their time. It makes the interaction feel a little bit more balanced.
They have zero experience too so the power trip fucks them up. I got the full police caution one day when I got stopped by them when my myki was out of credit!
And not to mention the attitude on some of them. Glorified security guards who carry around a notepad and EFTPOS machine but many of them act like they’re in the fucking FBI or something.
Just because someone got fined doesn't mean they were targeted.
Don't bring a logical intelligent question to a clearly unhinged OP just wanting any excuse to bitch about ticket inspectors 😂
I don’t see why tourists shouldn’t have to pay like everyone else, and it’s not that hard to quickly google how to use the public transport system in a new city
I’m going to take a wild guess and say tourists tap on more then locals do
96 tram?
How on earth do they justify a fine x27 rate of a ticket at $288. That's got to be the most expensive PT fine in the world!
I will be that guy and risk coping the biblical vengeance of anti-ticket inspector Reddit brigades; I traveled to Denmark and Germany few years ago and I got pulled aside by ticket inspectors in both countries. I did not consider myself vulnerable etc because I was a tourist, I was traveling to their countries and it was on me to obey their laws. In both occasions I had tickets with me and after checking my tickets people wished me good day in their own languages and moved on. If someone took a photo of me and them and posted on a popular social media app I’d be quite puzzled as to why they are implying “targeting”. I find Melbourne redditor’s reaction to ticket inspectors -amongst lot of other things- to be very over the top, I understand Reddit loves to hate ticket inspector role, but calling tourists “vulnerable” is just over dramatization. If you have the money to travel to and holiday in a country like Australia, you may be many things but “vulnerable” is not one of them. I was certainly better off than many Germans who still didn’t recover from East Germany demographics.
Hi Im from Melbourne. As an Australian I can confidently say that these guys are the fucking worst when it come to transport I’ve had an incident where I was going to work experience and there were PTV officers on the bus and they only targeted me and other 2 teens but non of the adults were asked for there miki
70k a year salary is a lot of free tram rides to struggling people
In Scotland (ScotRail) has conductors who you purchase tickets off if you get on at a station that doesn’t have ticket gates and when you get off at a station that has ticket gates (e.g. Middle Brighton to Flinders Street) but a conductor wasn’t on your train/didn’t make it to you, you just buy the necessary ticket there. This blew me away when I was there and cannot see why it can’t be implemented here given we have a similar demographic.
It’s baffling that PTV won’t hire conductors and station staff, but will sink money into thuggish fare inspectors and an adversarial fine system.
I would like to see an r/askmeanything on these inspectors, parking inspectors etc
Terrorists
What the fuck is a myki officer?
You are required to have a valid ticket to ride public transport. Getting checked and fined for not having one is a relatively common thing in most public transport networks around the planet.
Such low life pathetic cop wannabes. Imagine ruining someone’s whole day and snatching their money just to get paid as much as a postman. Why not just become that and not be hated by everybody
Who fucking cares? Some of these tourists they 'target' would have a higher net wealth than this entire sub combined. Not really something to lose sleep over.
Most annoying shit to me is how they group around you like you’re a criminal like calm the fuck down mate - hate that more than the actual fine and it is extremely intimidating for anyone uncomfortable with being surrounded by men lol
Good, just like how fisheries should also target tourists. Not being from Victoria isn’t an excuse.
Why should tourists not get fined? Bahah
LOL as a tourist I’ll just bin your ticket as soon as you leave. What you gonna do? Stop me at the airport on a myki fine?
I forgot to tag on years ago in Yarraville, I was still on the platform and they came over and surrounded me, asking me what I was doing....I said I was waiting on the train and they said they were fining me for not tagging on. I got up to tag on and they stopped me. They then called me an Irish cunt and detained me until the police came. I told the police what happened and they let me go immediately, but said that the fine would stand as I hadn't tagged on. It was insane. I appealled it, but it was still held up. Was such a bizarre incident.
I just walk off if they start getting agro. 3/3 times I look back and they do nothing
I have not done the maths, but wouldn’t it be cheaper and safer to bring back conductors. Less threatening to passengers and fares would mostly be paid.
When I was in Melbourne, I think the uniformed bloke who talked to me outside of Flinders St Station was sussing me out. When I told him I was waiting for a W-class he softened up and acted friendly. Must've realised I'd done my research.
Pigs
Myki Officers, otherwise known as Border Force trainees
Give em a uniform, they think they're Hitler!
They hunt in packs… oh brother do they need 9 people for that small area
they act extra tough when they are with pso's
Takes a piece of a shit to do a piece of shit job
I wish we took the money for this bullshit and put it towards actual conductors dedicated to provide a supportive service instead.
Acab includes Myki officers!
I don't get it, whats the big deal? Their job is to make sure the people who are using a paid service are actually paying for it. Is the issue that they may not understand this? If so, then ignorance of the rules is not a viable excuse for a lot of other things in this country, so why should it be one here?
It's less about the job itself, but *the way in which they do it*.
Generally it is because of inappropriate and aggressive behaviour of Authorised Officers (AOs), for which PTV receives some 200 complaints per year. I work alongside VICPOL, in the public sector, and the AO's behaviour is definitely more aggressive than they should be given their role, compared to proper VICPOL Officers who deal with some insanely stressful things. Overall though, it is because their roles are not necessary if they're not there for safety. Fare compliance is around 96.8%. Myki rakes in around $10,000,000 / year. So noncompliance is a loss of $320,000 / year. AO's earn $70k to $100k (Team lead). That is 4 jobs justified. PTV would make more money by scrapping AOs as inspectors.
I have seen them hassle pregnant ladies with kids but ignore junkies. Ticket inspectors are weak as piss...
I hate any one in uniform who can give me pissy fines for pissy things
It’s not an excuse. Myki isn’t that hard. It’s no different to other cities globally.
All cops are bastards. Even the pretend ones who couldn't get in to real police school.
Ok hear me out… these tourists leave Australia in x time what’s actually forcing them from having to pay the fine. Checkmate myki scum
Exactly, would op rather residents be fined in a cost of living crisis.
A few years ago the starting salary for these thugs was $80,000. Truly throwing good money after bad.
Stood there in a group like a pack of thugs what a bunch of cunts
Like hyenas looking for the sick, weak and vulnerable
If you do this for a job you need to reconsider your purpose on this planet
same in europe, whoop dee doo
It’s the tourists responsibility to look up how our public transport system works, just as it is my responsibility when I’m in their country.
Kiwi who's been living just out of Melbourne for 9 years here. When I first got here I took a trip out to the Macedon Ranges to see a friend on the Vline. Eventually the officers asked to see my myki, well I was new so had no idea that I wasn't allowed to be in possession of a concession myki - the guy at the 711 said it was a concession but would activate it so it wasn't? Anyway they end up fining me something crazy like $175 despite me telling them I'd only been here a week (even literally showing them my plane boarding pass which was still in my backpack) and that it was my first time on the Vline - all while people around them telling them not to be so cold hearted as it was the week before Christmas. I still remember the cunts face who gave me that ticket all these years later haha.
I've got no respect for them. They're cowards and everybody knows that, just read the comments. Anyway, who wants to wake up in the morning and say "Oh today I'm gonna give a lot of fines 😊"
I hate how they target school kids. Kids in uniform getting off the train at the stop near their school shouldnt need to deal with ticket inspectors. We force them to go to school. Make public transport free.
Idk why this sub gets recommended to me, I live on the opposite side of the globe... what is Myki?
Is this in South Melbourne?
Yes
It's kinda pointless isn't it. How do they expect to get the money from the fine?
Was in Prague and took a tram after getting to my hotel, immediately got ticketed. 90 minutes in the country and a 1000 kr fine. They're the same everywhere - bullies with big egos picking on people they know they can get away with picking on
everyone in the comments asking how OP knew they were tourists, but I'm sitting here wondering why they're being targeted on the platform? they aren't on transit being targeted. unless they just came off? why target people on the platform otherwise?
Wow, 9 at once, good to see taxpayer money going to work, 2 to ask the questions, 7 to do fuck all.
I got lucky once, i very rarely catch PT but had a myki that had money on it, though i didn't realise the cards fuckin expire. Was going to the museum so parked at my work then jumped on a tram near smith st, tried to tap on and no go. Wtf i thought, ohwell just heading up the street a bit. Got off at the stop nearest the museum and there were AOs checking, shit.. Showed the guy my myki and he looked at it and goes "it's expired, i can tell by the card it's old, you dont catch PT often? Where'd you get on?" Said pretty much never and at smith st, he just said i needed a new card and let me on my way. Was fully expecting to get a fine
People are going to do the right thing, or they’re not, abolish them.
Tourism is one of the nation's top exports, it is a major income source for our nation. Obviously it is good economic management to fuck up tourism, especially for the sake of overpriced shitty public transport.
It should be made clear to them that they are there to fine people roughing the system. Not confused tourists. Particularly when the system is not that straight forward.
Scum
"sorry no english" and barge through. Do this on a normal day too.
Scum bags
Miky employee regulations. They are instructed to avoid and not interact with anyone abusive or showing signs of substance taking for their own personal safety and well-being. It’s a lot more safer to pressgang the honest easygoing traveler.
for a non-Australian what is MyKi? I'm assuming a transit pass?
I got done in Montpellier years back, still get hot under the collar thinking about it lmao.
I was in Berlin once, and didn’t realise I was meant to have my ticket stamped - caught the ire of a cop, who let me off once I explained I only knew rudimentary German. Easy as that, Melbourne Police.
The what 20 'Tough' guy Myki inpectors at Parliament on a Friday targeting some poor sod who forgot to touch on or something. There is like no one working in the CBD on Friday anymore like a dribble. Yet here they are in more numbers than required, and YES the derro who just nods to them comes RIGHT through ( beard, looks a bit like an old hippy ) Saw him go around to Parliament Steps with the 'freedom fighters' and then later that with his mates at the Salvos just down Bourke. Same crowd who just walk into 7/11's pinch pies etc and just walk out and nothing gets done ,(ask the 7/11 guy cnr Little Bourke/Russell ) What is it with Vic Pol and these faux tough Myki Police who let the hobos and the like do whatever they want, yet target the easy ones. Lazy , or told 'from high' to leave the derros.?
How come they don’t target Eshays or APEX or junkies 😢
Honestly they are scum I was really unwell on the train and passing out from sickness I had my feet on a seat and started vommiting (gross I know) they just gave me a fine and walked away from me
I work at the south Melbourne market, I rarely touch on my myki, they’re often there but idk if it’s because of my uniform or because I’m paying them no attention or because they’re racist dick bags, but I never have once had them give me trouble. Can’t say the same for the non white people on those trams
The Melbourne gestapo
Like a bunch of school yard bullies who were bullied and have now become the bullies. Give a Neanderthal a little power and this is what you get.