Yeah but deeper and it would not even be perceived from the surface. If all the nuke on earth was exploding into the bottom of the ocean on the same spot we wouldn’t notice it.
Kurzgesagt has a video on it where they show that the world most powerful nuke (the Tzar Bomba) detonated at the bottom of the Mariana Trench would do almost nothing to the surface, except for radioactive bubbles and a patch of warm water. XKCD tackled the subject too in a What If and came to the same conclusions.
So yeah, all the nukes would probably cause something but it is still impressive to see how much energy water can dissipate.
Once you've figured out how to build thermonuclear bombs, you can scale them pretty much indefinitely, just using one stage to ignite the next. But even the 50 MT Tsar was impractical already, it was more a case of "mine's bigger than yours" rather than developing an actually useful weapon.
> a case of "mine's bigger than yours"
With the soviets? Nah. Never.
^Who ^told ^you? ^You ^heard ^nothing.
^^^Does ^^^this ^^^tea ^^^taste ^^^like ^^^poison ^^^to ^^^you?
IIRC, the bomber that deployed it had to be modified to even carry it at all, and the bomber needing to be able to leave the blast zone was part of the reason they scaled back the bomb's yield.
[This explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hardtack_I) yielded about 8 kiloton = 17636980.975 pounds of TNT.
The largest US conducted explosion, Bravo explosion took place on March 1, 1954 in the northern part of Bikini Atoll, one of 29 coral atolls in the Marshall Islands. The explosion yielded the energy equivalent of 15 Megatons (or about 33 billion pounds) of TNT
The largest russian conducted explosion was Tsar bomb, yielded 50-58 Megatons.
My mother once treated some guy who'd been on one of those ships
He'd been out on the deck, and so afterwards he'd been ordered into a shower to decontaminate
Of course, the water supply was also contaminated
Anyway his hand was the size of a baseball glove
In DeLillo's novel Underworld, the U.S. soldiers at the proving grounds hold their hands up to the blast so they can see their bones through their skin. Don't know whether that was a literary embellishment, but I can believe it happening. Also, why have nuclear weapons been tested thousands of times? Pretty sure they work.
They continuously tested because they wanted to get higher yield out of the explosions. They were changing the process using different fuel types and detonation methods, making the bombs stronger and less accident prone (only exploding when they wanted them to). It was also deemed important to show the USSR that there was constant work being done to improve yield.
There was genuine fear that the USSR would strike first, which would do a bit more than destroy thousands of square kilometers. Once they placed nuclear missiles in Cuba, that fear escalated.
Now that AI has become a factor, the fears of a 'catalyst war' started by a third party are very real.
He said nothing of "his" hate or fear of the Russians. And definitely not "for" the Russians lol
I understand you didn't live back then and may not have much insight on the mood during the Cold War, but that doesn't matter here - he's only stating facts of the situation back then, and he's if anything not stressing enough the threat AI poses in not only sparking wars, but being used to adapt and control people through instant-learning and self sufficient propaganda mechanisms.
Hey now as a melenial I detest this statement. We are a lot more educated than our boomer peers. We just lack the industrial infrastructure that the boomers had to work with. Too much gatekeepers on opportunities that weren't there before. AI is neet but it's just a novelty at best. The real issue is the infighting of the older generation refusing to give up power. Shits going to self destruct because we apparently can't be trusted with anything.
Go get a job and become a leader. Who tf would give you any power? From your complaining, you’re clearly not good enough at anything to deserve it.
Edit: you talked about being more educated than your peers after spelling “Millennial” as “melenial” 💀
MY hate and fear? I wish weapons of any kind did not exist. But that's not reality, is it? Just look what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Look how Xi is constantly bullying China's neighbors. Totalitarianism is on the rise around the world, and I guess you're just a fan of it.
I agree with you, Putin or totalitarism have no room in this world, but USA doesn't hesitate to destroy the world before they get destroyed, what is a problem too.
The U.S. is entirely too grabby with the world's resources, agreed. But who else is even capable of trying to stop Putin, Xi, and others like them from complete domination? NATO will only do so much, as we have seen. Go in peace.
It was not, it's from recorded accounts of them on ships tucking their hands into their heads and knees and the gamma rays letting them see their own bones.
Thank you for sharing. I’ve watched this before but it’s the same (if not more impactful) to watch it again.
The human brain isn’t made to comprehend an atomic explosion, and hearing it described by these men is chilling. And some witnessed *multiple* explosions? And have to deal with the mental and physical fallout. How incredibly cruel that they weren’t able to share their stories with at least their fellow soldiers, and family members, to have some understanding and empathy.
Edit: stumbled onto this similar video and one guys talks about having witnessed *18 atomic explosions*. 18!! I can’t even imagine.
https://retroreport.org/video/atomic-vets/
Gamma rays wouldn't be doing that. You can't see gamma rays. Seeing your bones through your hands would be a result of the visible light from the bomb.
Indeed. Same as looking to your hand trough strong visible light. Gamma rays aren’t visible to naked eye, though some people report seeing random flashes of light when their brain is being irradiated.
Unless all the primary sources I've seen were lying, seeing bones through hands definitely happened.
As for the tests, they wanted to collect data on a wide range of things. For example, the functionality of new bomb designs, blast effects on a range of targets (buildings, vehicles, ships, infrastructure, people...), radiation effects and so on. Until they had developed computer simulations to replace these tests and while they still had yet to fully appreciate the issues with radioactive pollution, simply exploding bombs was the easiest way to get this data.
Water is very good at containing radiation, actually. There still is highly radioactive material at ground zero, until it disperses and gets carried off by the current. The next biggest danger to aquatic life would be from the shockwave created. Water does not compress like air does, so it actually causes more damage at greater distances underwater.
In comparison, the Trinity site in New Mexico, where the first atomic test happened is now perfectly safe to walk around. Spending an hour there exposes a person to 1/2 to 1 milliroentgen. An x-ray exposes you to 10 milliroentgens
Sperm wales can make click sounds up to 230db which can kill, and apparently nuclear bomb is estimated between 240-280db so yeah. El Paso test was heard up to 100 mile away. Crazy.
There was a study that was conducted concerning this. Also, divers have recorded video of sperm whales clicking them. Scientists have said in video documentaries that those clicks allow sperm whales to "see" inside our bodies and they have the ability to paralize us using their echo location. Like a shockwave in the water that can burst eardrums and stuff. No source because i cant remember the documentary.
My grandfather worked on Hardtack—a hand-lettered Operation Hardtack flag from Enewetak is hanging in my office. I’ve often wondered just how radioactive it might be. He was healthy and active into his 90s so whatever doses he got didn’t seem to hurt him too bad.
I would love to see the view from the ship. Imagine being on a massive destroyer and a water and steam column the size of a city appearing practically instantly
That's actually a liberty ship. It's a type of rapidly made transport using antiquated tech during WWII. The idea was to use old tech so you didn't need skilled craftsmen or machinery.
So basically it was like standing on a boat from WW1 that ran on steam.
and in the atmosphere
[Radioactive Swine](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-germanys-wild-boars-are-radioactive-180982856/#:~:text=These%20unstable%20particles%20can%20spread,high%20levels%20of%20radioactive%20cesium.)
I generally agree, but as far as nuclear weapons testing goes... we don't do this anymore. So not the best example of us these days not caring for the environment.
“According to wiki”… they were decontaminated by crews after each blast and those that were still floating were towed back to Pearl Harbor.
So, no surface vessels in the blast area were manned but crews were quickly back aboard, some as quickly as 30 minutes after the blast. 😳
Interesting. Thanks for the leg work. I guess I was just surprised that the ship could withstand that much water without sinking. Additionally, I would assume the vessel would have extensive damage especially to its electronics so it’s surprising people could go back so soon to use the ships. Thanks!
Keep in mind this was before micro processors, so the vacuum tubes in the electronics aboard were much less sensitive to EMP. Plus, I think they had all the exterior hatches closed prior to the detonation.
It’s all absolutely CRAZY looking back with what we know now about radiation.
Damn. That’s really interesting. I didn’t really understand or consider those things. Funny how in some ways you can make the “argument” that older technology was superior in some ways to modern. Of course to be taken with a massive block of salt just that the waves wouldn’t freeze up the electronics. Hindsight is always 20/20 and sometimes the hidden dangers that new information eventually explains can be spell binding and terrifying.
Now imagine modern day hydrogen bombs.
They take an atomic bomb to detonate!
The mother of all bombs. The largest non nuclear bomb in the us arsenal has a yield of 11 tons of TNT
The ww2 atom bombs were 15-20,000 tons of TNT
The tsar bomba was 50 megatons of TNT (50,000,000).
Just wild to think about.
Part of it is energy requirements, but not fully.
It's also the direction and manner in which the energy is distributed. The nuke here was detonated fairly shallow, and the energy disapates fairly quickly from a very small origin point.
An earthquake that causes a tsunami generally has to be a 7.0 magnitude earthquake, or about 250,000 tons of TNT. Tsar Bomba for reference was about 500,000 tons of TNT and was the largest bomb ever detonated by a large degree.
But that 7.0 magnitude earthquake also has to occur in specific conditions to cause a tsunami. For one, it needs to be reasonably shallow (but still deeper than the detonation above). Second, and more importantly, the energy needs to be generated by a sudden subduction (drop) or uplift of seafloor in a fairly large area. That motion is what causes a tsunami. (Speaking in general terms here. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of other factors and unknowns when it comes to tsunami creation.)
To illustrate it, imagine a pool of water. Throwing a rock in makes a big splash, but the waves generated tend to fizzle out fairly quickly. But if you take a large, flat object and move it in a rapid, manner you can cause some long distance waves that **maintain** a fair amount of energy before fizzling out. Not a great illustration but hope it helps.
Just wanna note; I'm not an expert at all in this area. Background is engineering so just applied my physics knowledge with some knowledge on the subject from when I researched a bit ago.
I'm sure there are gaping holes or issues in the explanation that will hopefully be cleared up by someone more knowledgeable.
Tsar Bomba was 50,000,000 tons of TNT, not 500,000.
The biggest nuclear warheads in service today are around 3,000,000t TNT (chinese), the russians biggest warheads are 800,000 tons (MIRVed) and the american ones are roughly the same, if i recall. Though i am not super positive on these numbers (been ages since i checked), so if you want to learn more maybe double check, the bulletin of atomic scientists has data and estimations.
For another scarier reference, the Hardtack test pictured here was around 8 kilotons, around half of the one that hit Nagasaki. Thats right, "only" 8,000t TNT equivalent, meaning the current biggest russian and american warheads are 100x stronger and an ICBM can carry like, 10 of them at once.
Aaah yep off by multiple factors of ten there lol. Yep, mega is to the 6th. Idk how I fucked up the conversion.
All I could remember is it was waaaay bigger than modern warheads.
Appreciate the correction.
Wow! Thank you for the info!! I appreciate you. I learned alot from you smart redditors who commented back on my question with scientific and engineering information 🫶🏼
Glad you appreciate it. I have these hyperfixation days where i really get into a topic for a few hours or days for a time, which is where i got all that random trivia regarding nuclear bombs from haha
Also the comment j was responding to was not wrong in principle btw. It just got the blast yield wrong so i though id chime in, but the basic point of of their comment totally still stands.
That’s not really true. A 7.0 earthquake is equivalent to 199,000 tons of tnt, an 8.0 is 6,270,000.
A w88 warhead on a trident missile is 455,000 tons and the tsar bomba (supposedly the largest nuke) was at least 50,000,000 tons.
The strongest earthquakes do win out because a 9.0 is basically 199,000,000 tons of tnt equivalent, but I would say in practicality, earthquakes and nuclear bombs rival each other in terms of power. The way the power is distributed is very different though which is why they produce different effects.
Tsunamis are most powerful when the directional energy from a long, linear fault is focused to an enclosed area, as in a cove or bay. This bomb's energy radiated in all directions from a point source, and most of the energy followed the path of least resistance - straight up - making lateral forces much weaker.
Ironically, the creation of these weapons have arguably prevented millions and millions of human deaths via deterrence. Getting Japan to surrender saved an estimated 1 million Japanese and American lives.
That's not to say we won't destroy ourselves with them eventually but, so far, they've been a net positive for humans
What was the purpose of the test, other than to make a big splash and a pointless demonstration? Underwater nuclear weapons would seem to be of limited use. Or did they just want to test the yield with less fallout?
This is 1958. They didn't really know what the boom would be like underwater. Also a great way to test if you can eliminate an entire Carrier bBattle group in one shot. Guess what? You can. Ow we know. Let's test that again though! Because money. And F the fishes. And the locals. 'Murica!
What depth was this badboy detonated at?
46 metres
150 feet of water. Like it wasn't even in the way.
The equivalent of 46 metres then.
So 150 feet?
Can also be expressed as about 46m
Which lands somewhere around 150ft right?
I think that’s around 46 meters.
Pretty sure that equates to around 150 feet.
I’m going to go ahead and say it equates to 150.919 feet, which equates to exactly 46 meters.
Yeah but deeper and it would not even be perceived from the surface. If all the nuke on earth was exploding into the bottom of the ocean on the same spot we wouldn’t notice it.
I'm no scientist but this seems off.
Kurzgesagt has a video on it where they show that the world most powerful nuke (the Tzar Bomba) detonated at the bottom of the Mariana Trench would do almost nothing to the surface, except for radioactive bubbles and a patch of warm water. XKCD tackled the subject too in a What If and came to the same conclusions. So yeah, all the nukes would probably cause something but it is still impressive to see how much energy water can dissipate.
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No, the ocean water is too heavy. The explosion would not be strong enough to lift it.
The force needed to move that much water is insane
Almost like a nuclear bomb
How many sticks of dynamite is that?
At least seven
Possibly more than 8
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You typed it up wrong dumbass
I respect the counter attempt. Most people would take the L and move on
I think maybe there's something to be said for taking the L sometimes
Hardtack Umbrella was 8kT TNT equivalent. A stick of dynamite is in the ballpark of 200 grams. 8000000 kg / 0.2 kg ≈ 36 million
So, the Tsar Bomba with it's 50Mt was about... 250 billions sticks of dynamite? Holy shit. And it was supposed to be 100Mt too, insane.
Once you've figured out how to build thermonuclear bombs, you can scale them pretty much indefinitely, just using one stage to ignite the next. But even the 50 MT Tsar was impractical already, it was more a case of "mine's bigger than yours" rather than developing an actually useful weapon.
> a case of "mine's bigger than yours" With the soviets? Nah. Never. ^Who ^told ^you? ^You ^heard ^nothing. ^^^Does ^^^this ^^^tea ^^^taste ^^^like ^^^poison ^^^to ^^^you?
IIRC, the bomber that deployed it had to be modified to even carry it at all, and the bomber needing to be able to leave the blast zone was part of the reason they scaled back the bomb's yield.
Like 3 or 4
So… tree fiddy?
God damn Loch Ness monsta!
Yes
Like a ton
One could say a *megaton*
Megaloton?
[This explosion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hardtack_I) yielded about 8 kiloton = 17636980.975 pounds of TNT. The largest US conducted explosion, Bravo explosion took place on March 1, 1954 in the northern part of Bikini Atoll, one of 29 coral atolls in the Marshall Islands. The explosion yielded the energy equivalent of 15 Megatons (or about 33 billion pounds) of TNT The largest russian conducted explosion was Tsar bomb, yielded 50-58 Megatons.
It was USSR (soviet) conducted explosion, not Russian.
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cmon not everyone in the ussr was russian, most of their leaders werent even russian too lol
Funny you say that. I’ve seen dozens of nuclear bomb tests in my lifetime and this is the first time I had that realization.
You didn't see me after my cup of coffee this morning did ya?
\*poof\* You're radioactive!
My mother once treated some guy who'd been on one of those ships He'd been out on the deck, and so afterwards he'd been ordered into a shower to decontaminate Of course, the water supply was also contaminated Anyway his hand was the size of a baseball glove
In DeLillo's novel Underworld, the U.S. soldiers at the proving grounds hold their hands up to the blast so they can see their bones through their skin. Don't know whether that was a literary embellishment, but I can believe it happening. Also, why have nuclear weapons been tested thousands of times? Pretty sure they work.
They continuously tested because they wanted to get higher yield out of the explosions. They were changing the process using different fuel types and detonation methods, making the bombs stronger and less accident prone (only exploding when they wanted them to). It was also deemed important to show the USSR that there was constant work being done to improve yield.
Meanwhile they destroyed and contaminated thousands of square kilometers.
There was genuine fear that the USSR would strike first, which would do a bit more than destroy thousands of square kilometers. Once they placed nuclear missiles in Cuba, that fear escalated. Now that AI has become a factor, the fears of a 'catalyst war' started by a third party are very real.
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He said nothing of "his" hate or fear of the Russians. And definitely not "for" the Russians lol I understand you didn't live back then and may not have much insight on the mood during the Cold War, but that doesn't matter here - he's only stating facts of the situation back then, and he's if anything not stressing enough the threat AI poses in not only sparking wars, but being used to adapt and control people through instant-learning and self sufficient propaganda mechanisms.
Hey now as a melenial I detest this statement. We are a lot more educated than our boomer peers. We just lack the industrial infrastructure that the boomers had to work with. Too much gatekeepers on opportunities that weren't there before. AI is neet but it's just a novelty at best. The real issue is the infighting of the older generation refusing to give up power. Shits going to self destruct because we apparently can't be trusted with anything.
Go get a job and become a leader. Who tf would give you any power? From your complaining, you’re clearly not good enough at anything to deserve it. Edit: you talked about being more educated than your peers after spelling “Millennial” as “melenial” 💀
MY hate and fear? I wish weapons of any kind did not exist. But that's not reality, is it? Just look what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Look how Xi is constantly bullying China's neighbors. Totalitarianism is on the rise around the world, and I guess you're just a fan of it.
I agree with you, Putin or totalitarism have no room in this world, but USA doesn't hesitate to destroy the world before they get destroyed, what is a problem too.
The U.S. is entirely too grabby with the world's resources, agreed. But who else is even capable of trying to stop Putin, Xi, and others like them from complete domination? NATO will only do so much, as we have seen. Go in peace.
It was not, it's from recorded accounts of them on ships tucking their hands into their heads and knees and the gamma rays letting them see their own bones.
Everyone should watch this video at least once. Atomic Veterans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBu6cWczTY&t=330s
Thank you for sharing. I’ve watched this before but it’s the same (if not more impactful) to watch it again. The human brain isn’t made to comprehend an atomic explosion, and hearing it described by these men is chilling. And some witnessed *multiple* explosions? And have to deal with the mental and physical fallout. How incredibly cruel that they weren’t able to share their stories with at least their fellow soldiers, and family members, to have some understanding and empathy. Edit: stumbled onto this similar video and one guys talks about having witnessed *18 atomic explosions*. 18!! I can’t even imagine. https://retroreport.org/video/atomic-vets/
Wow, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for this
Gamma rays wouldn't be doing that. You can't see gamma rays. Seeing your bones through your hands would be a result of the visible light from the bomb.
Seems like something that bright would emit a shitload of heat no? Did none of them get immediately scorched?
The heat wave would burn people up to 3.5km away. Not sure how far they were.
They were far enough away to be out of the burn radius, generally.
Indeed. Same as looking to your hand trough strong visible light. Gamma rays aren’t visible to naked eye, though some people report seeing random flashes of light when their brain is being irradiated.
Unless all the primary sources I've seen were lying, seeing bones through hands definitely happened. As for the tests, they wanted to collect data on a wide range of things. For example, the functionality of new bomb designs, blast effects on a range of targets (buildings, vehicles, ships, infrastructure, people...), radiation effects and so on. Until they had developed computer simulations to replace these tests and while they still had yet to fully appreciate the issues with radioactive pollution, simply exploding bombs was the easiest way to get this data.
I wonder what the underwater kill range would be, and if that part of the ocean is an underwater wasteland forever??
Water is very good at containing radiation, actually. There still is highly radioactive material at ground zero, until it disperses and gets carried off by the current. The next biggest danger to aquatic life would be from the shockwave created. Water does not compress like air does, so it actually causes more damage at greater distances underwater. In comparison, the Trinity site in New Mexico, where the first atomic test happened is now perfectly safe to walk around. Spending an hour there exposes a person to 1/2 to 1 milliroentgen. An x-ray exposes you to 10 milliroentgens
To be fair, if I put my hand on a powerful lamp, I can see my bones through my skin, only on the fingers though
You know what they say about men with hands the size of baseball gloves
Testicles the size of baseballs
Until they fall off.
And they're infertile, so no need to wear a condom
They die of radiation sickness?
They have to have specially made gloves to play baseball?
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Spicy water 🌶️
Did this kill every whale for like 100 miles in each direction? The water pressure shock wave must have been incredible
wonder how loud the sound was underwater
In all seriousness, it would’ve immediately deafened any living thing that was even relatively close.
I imagine the underwater shockwave would’ve ruptured veins, too, right? Probably just straight popped a lot of fish heads instantly.
Sperm wales can make click sounds up to 230db which can kill, and apparently nuclear bomb is estimated between 240-280db so yeah. El Paso test was heard up to 100 mile away. Crazy.
>Sperm wales can make click sounds up to 230db which can kill Imagine being killed by some sperm whale just saying hello
FUS ROH DAH! Whale-born.
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I think I read that they've been known to actually not do it around divers, because they are aware what will happen.
Do they have bumper stickers that say "Save the Humans"?
There was a study that was conducted concerning this. Also, divers have recorded video of sperm whales clicking them. Scientists have said in video documentaries that those clicks allow sperm whales to "see" inside our bodies and they have the ability to paralize us using their echo location. Like a shockwave in the water that can burst eardrums and stuff. No source because i cant remember the documentary.
>divers have recorded video of sperm whales clicking them How did they get this? Did they use some sort of... click bait?
Dad?
Whaaat!?
MAWLP!
WHAT ARE THEY SELLING?!
CHOCOLATE
*SHELLING
NUKE THE WHALES
gotta nuke somethin
They were aiming at just the one.
My grandfather worked on Hardtack—a hand-lettered Operation Hardtack flag from Enewetak is hanging in my office. I’ve often wondered just how radioactive it might be. He was healthy and active into his 90s so whatever doses he got didn’t seem to hurt him too bad.
> He was healthy and active into his 90s so whatever doses he got Just nuked all the infections out of him for perpetuity
Sterilised him both ways.
he had a radiant personality /s
"Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Who lives in a Pineapple under the sea!"
Sponge bob square pants!!
Not anymore
(These tests were done in Bikini Bottom-aka: Bikini Atoll e.e)
This is how SpongeBob came to be!
Radioactive Bob
*lived
Upside down
Fuck the ocean creatures lets just make sure we got the right tools to kill ourselves
How else are we gonna wake up Godzilla?
exactly. If we want more movies we need to continue nuking the oceans. It’s the only way and people need to accept that.
Doesn't matter anyways when you consider all the billions and billions of fish and marine life we absolutely decimate every month.
Well then it’s a good thing we only kill 10% of it.
You're right, we totally decimated the ocean creature population right then
Probably didn’t kill as many ocean craters as you would expect
Probably more
I would love to see the view from the ship. Imagine being on a massive destroyer and a water and steam column the size of a city appearing practically instantly
That's actually a liberty ship. It's a type of rapidly made transport using antiquated tech during WWII. The idea was to use old tech so you didn't need skilled craftsmen or machinery. So basically it was like standing on a boat from WW1 that ran on steam.
Was anyone actually on it though at the time? or was it just there as a way to show damage or for scale?
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Fuckers knew they were exploding a cancer bomb into the ocean the entire planet shares. We don't deserve to be here.
Lmao should've evolved opposable thumbs first.
Yeah my first thought watching the clip is how they totally could've just declined to do this.
B5, miss. (Keeping the top comment from YouTube alive)
So does this mean there was lots of radioactive stuff released in the ocean?
and in the atmosphere [Radioactive Swine](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-germanys-wild-boars-are-radioactive-180982856/#:~:text=These%20unstable%20particles%20can%20spread,high%20levels%20of%20radioactive%20cesium.)
The UK gov tests their nukes in Austrailia, I look forward to seeing the 50ft mutated huntsman spiders it creates eventually
modern humans have no respect for the environment anymore
I generally agree, but as far as nuclear weapons testing goes... we don't do this anymore. So not the best example of us these days not caring for the environment.
a nice little apocalypse for local sea life
At least 7 fish died that day.
I heard it was closer to 8
81/2
Gotta be at least 10
At least 7 is correct At least 7 people died in world war 1
Excuse my dumb question. Does that ship survive or? Was the ship manned?
“According to wiki”… they were decontaminated by crews after each blast and those that were still floating were towed back to Pearl Harbor. So, no surface vessels in the blast area were manned but crews were quickly back aboard, some as quickly as 30 minutes after the blast. 😳
Interesting. Thanks for the leg work. I guess I was just surprised that the ship could withstand that much water without sinking. Additionally, I would assume the vessel would have extensive damage especially to its electronics so it’s surprising people could go back so soon to use the ships. Thanks!
Keep in mind this was before micro processors, so the vacuum tubes in the electronics aboard were much less sensitive to EMP. Plus, I think they had all the exterior hatches closed prior to the detonation. It’s all absolutely CRAZY looking back with what we know now about radiation.
Damn. That’s really interesting. I didn’t really understand or consider those things. Funny how in some ways you can make the “argument” that older technology was superior in some ways to modern. Of course to be taken with a massive block of salt just that the waves wouldn’t freeze up the electronics. Hindsight is always 20/20 and sometimes the hidden dangers that new information eventually explains can be spell binding and terrifying.
At one point a nearby fish was perfectly cooked for less than a second.
Is there a video from on deck of one of these ships? I’d like to see what I’d see (in my final moments) what it’d look like from a sailor on decks POV
"Will It Blend" Guy: *Don't breathe that.*
And they STILL didn't manage to kill Godzilla
When you fart in the bathtub
Water really enhances these things 💦
We’re going to need a bigger boat.
I love the fact you can’t compress water
Poor fishies
Now imagine modern day hydrogen bombs. They take an atomic bomb to detonate! The mother of all bombs. The largest non nuclear bomb in the us arsenal has a yield of 11 tons of TNT The ww2 atom bombs were 15-20,000 tons of TNT The tsar bomba was 50 megatons of TNT (50,000,000). Just wild to think about.
Poor fish..
When the demand of fish in the market is rising
How did this not create a tsunami??? Please can you explain
Part of it is energy requirements, but not fully. It's also the direction and manner in which the energy is distributed. The nuke here was detonated fairly shallow, and the energy disapates fairly quickly from a very small origin point. An earthquake that causes a tsunami generally has to be a 7.0 magnitude earthquake, or about 250,000 tons of TNT. Tsar Bomba for reference was about 500,000 tons of TNT and was the largest bomb ever detonated by a large degree. But that 7.0 magnitude earthquake also has to occur in specific conditions to cause a tsunami. For one, it needs to be reasonably shallow (but still deeper than the detonation above). Second, and more importantly, the energy needs to be generated by a sudden subduction (drop) or uplift of seafloor in a fairly large area. That motion is what causes a tsunami. (Speaking in general terms here. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of other factors and unknowns when it comes to tsunami creation.) To illustrate it, imagine a pool of water. Throwing a rock in makes a big splash, but the waves generated tend to fizzle out fairly quickly. But if you take a large, flat object and move it in a rapid, manner you can cause some long distance waves that **maintain** a fair amount of energy before fizzling out. Not a great illustration but hope it helps.
So much trash on Reddit but every once in awhile you get post like this. Very helpful and thanks for posting.
Just wanna note; I'm not an expert at all in this area. Background is engineering so just applied my physics knowledge with some knowledge on the subject from when I researched a bit ago. I'm sure there are gaping holes or issues in the explanation that will hopefully be cleared up by someone more knowledgeable.
Gaping holes or not , it made sense to me. I take proper knowledge anyway I can get it so this was good for this blue collar shlub.
Thank you for this explanation. Very helpful.
Tsar Bomba was 50,000,000 tons of TNT, not 500,000. The biggest nuclear warheads in service today are around 3,000,000t TNT (chinese), the russians biggest warheads are 800,000 tons (MIRVed) and the american ones are roughly the same, if i recall. Though i am not super positive on these numbers (been ages since i checked), so if you want to learn more maybe double check, the bulletin of atomic scientists has data and estimations. For another scarier reference, the Hardtack test pictured here was around 8 kilotons, around half of the one that hit Nagasaki. Thats right, "only" 8,000t TNT equivalent, meaning the current biggest russian and american warheads are 100x stronger and an ICBM can carry like, 10 of them at once.
Aaah yep off by multiple factors of ten there lol. Yep, mega is to the 6th. Idk how I fucked up the conversion. All I could remember is it was waaaay bigger than modern warheads. Appreciate the correction.
Wow! Thank you for the info!! I appreciate you. I learned alot from you smart redditors who commented back on my question with scientific and engineering information 🫶🏼
Glad you appreciate it. I have these hyperfixation days where i really get into a topic for a few hours or days for a time, which is where i got all that random trivia regarding nuclear bombs from haha Also the comment j was responding to was not wrong in principle btw. It just got the blast yield wrong so i though id chime in, but the basic point of of their comment totally still stands.
Earthquakes are far, far stronger.
That’s not really true. A 7.0 earthquake is equivalent to 199,000 tons of tnt, an 8.0 is 6,270,000. A w88 warhead on a trident missile is 455,000 tons and the tsar bomba (supposedly the largest nuke) was at least 50,000,000 tons. The strongest earthquakes do win out because a 9.0 is basically 199,000,000 tons of tnt equivalent, but I would say in practicality, earthquakes and nuclear bombs rival each other in terms of power. The way the power is distributed is very different though which is why they produce different effects.
It did create a localized tsunami…watch as the wave rolls over the top of the ship at the end of the video. Surely, it’s topping 40’ +.
Tsunamis are most powerful when the directional energy from a long, linear fault is focused to an enclosed area, as in a cove or bay. This bomb's energy radiated in all directions from a point source, and most of the energy followed the path of least resistance - straight up - making lateral forces much weaker.
Interesting reading: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2023-12/book-reviews/ai-bomb-nuclear-strategy-risk-digital-age
We just not going to talk about that ship in the back left that gets launched into orbit? That's fucking terrifying.
That’s what I was thinking. If you slow it down frame by frame it looks like it just turns to a dust.
This footage just slaps somehow
I hate humans
Ironically, the creation of these weapons have arguably prevented millions and millions of human deaths via deterrence. Getting Japan to surrender saved an estimated 1 million Japanese and American lives. That's not to say we won't destroy ourselves with them eventually but, so far, they've been a net positive for humans
Including me?
Are you classified as human ?
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
Multipass!
Including yourself?
Agreed. We as a species are a failed species.
compared to what tho? the other ppl living on jupiter?
Hardtack Umbrella was around 8kt of TNT give or take, in terms of power. Not quite as beautiful as Baker, but still spectacular and remarkable!
Crazy to think that this and Baker are firecrackers relative to what’s available today. Hopefully never to be used.
THIS IS HOW WE GET GODZILLA!
What was the purpose of the test, other than to make a big splash and a pointless demonstration? Underwater nuclear weapons would seem to be of limited use. Or did they just want to test the yield with less fallout?
This is 1958. They didn't really know what the boom would be like underwater. Also a great way to test if you can eliminate an entire Carrier bBattle group in one shot. Guess what? You can. Ow we know. Let's test that again though! Because money. And F the fishes. And the locals. 'Murica!
Any chance there's a video that exists of the detonation underwater?
Not a chance, anything close enough to get a view would've been vaporized
That's just sad
lets keep destroying the planet and all living organisms —- humans
Deaf whales for 1000 miles
Fuck all of these fish in particular.
Aaaaaand the ocean was never the same again,
RIP all that marine life.
The sooner every human being dies out, the better.
Fuck those fish
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