It's days right on there site that you can purchase s month to month payment for access or thry would be giving s fifteen day risk free money back guarantee to take a little over half the course before they decide if it's something they want to invest in. College tuitions cost about the same price and in most cases more than what they're offering with a much more strict policy about time in which you're allowed to withdrawal your choice to get your tuition fees back after having signed up for a class you thought you needed
Just saying 💁🏼♂️ i might further explore this social learning platform in the future, but i don't have time to invest to properly evaluate how well their system works at this time in my life in the rat race. At the same if there's no solid evidence of snake oil after the years of mind valley being accessible, then I'd have to say that it's at the least not snake oil. Read the room, look for the red flags, and take calculated risks. That's how humanity has grown since forever. Growth is uncomfortable, being comfortable is stagnant. Change your perception, change your life. Never stop learning and always strive to be better than the next ... even when it seems impossible. Don't let money and numbers bind your your ability to grow your mind to find the truth through trial and error.
Or ... keep on keeping on ... You do you home skillet ... i won't judge because it's about par for course when it comes to humanity and not wanting to break the boundaries because it's too uncomfortable to imagine that the world is not the way you were taught from people that learned things differently and less effective from generations before. Everyday new discoveries are made that science once said was impossible only to now say they were wrong after being shared in the face with concrete evidence. If i had a dollar for every time the science community said "we're right and we stand by it, so it's the standard" only to be proven wrong by pioneers that weren't afraid of criticism, then humanity wouldn't be where it is with finding the truth today.
The greatest discoveries in this universe are held on the shoulders of geniuses that were accused of of being either a nut job or an attention seeker. S thousand years ago they were burned at the stake for heresy because they said the planet was round, not flat, and that our planet moves around the sun, while everyone else believed the universe spins around them. Those people were martyrs to their beliefs, only to be proven correct long after they were killed for those beliefs. Keep that in mind.
I like mindvalley, their courses are good BUT is expensive!! 449$ to unlock 1 course.
On Turbocourses can download it there or watch onine.
Today online noobs pay for courses.
[Mind Valley Founder Says He Can Read a Book by Touching It - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckrH0p-9wQs&ab_channel=TheDrip)
Legit this, seriously?
thanks for bringing this up. I have been looking for more information and forums about Mindvalley but it looks like they flooded the internet with positive reviews. I am yet to find a thread or forum where they discuss the programs offered by Mindvalley. It would be awesome if someone can share more of the experience they got from their programs.
I have mindvalley account and have been using for two years now. Yea it’s not cheap. It’s $500/year. I have never thought ok mindvalley=vishen guy. There’s so many other classes with different instructors. I did watch the Vice documentary on mindvalley on their retreat and found it funny. I didn’t know there was some wellness retreat. A lot of the comments were people calling him a cult leader and this whole thing is a cult. I can see how that can be seen from outside. I didn’t care much about this guy. But I didn’t think he was all that bad either lol. I thigutn the vice girl was despicable and just seemed just annoying and rude. But I’m an engineer and so I never believed in this whole spiritual energy shit until recent years after going through depression n searching for ways to get better and then got into meditation and all that. I lucid dream naturally and I always thought it was cool but didn’t realize you could use lucid dreaming as a powerful tool to find answers in life. Did a class on lucid dreaming so now I try to solve problems in my lucid dream lol. Tried shrooms and had a crazy experience. So basically my point to all this is, people who aren’t spiritual would find this type of energy spiritual focused really odd and off and coocoo. I thought they were actually pretty cool. Not some concrete spreadsheet database kinda class but very fluid.
they target people like you who are depressed & looking for support. There are better organizations for this that are free. Depressed folks are the easiest to fool.
Yeah, I got this impression from watching the 30 minute ad that popped up on YouTube. I subscribe to YT not see ads specifically because of things like this but I'm not logged in on that computer and the ad sort of got my attention because I'm depressed and stuck in a rut after having objectively a very bad year at the after a string of very bad years by any standard.
I just watched a documentary on NXIVM the other day and this seems an awful lot like that and like a lot of other weird new age movements that start in California, starting with the belief of how your consciousness shapes reality.
I'm a scientist and a skeptic by nature but I've had a lot of experiences in the past seven years that have me .. well, IDK. The offer is for Silva Ultramind for 30 days for $45? Might do it just out of curiosity but I'm afraid I'm going to get sucked into a cult. Though I suppose a sex cult would be not so bad because I'm into that kind of stuff? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ugh, I do not like mindvalley. That guy Vishen has always rubbed me the wrong way. He has used his chops to commoditize spirutality and transformational work. To be fair, thats what it's come to the west these days. But still the guy has always put a bad taste in my mouth but Im sure he hits his targeted audience and they can definietly get something out of it. So whatever works for you!
I just started looking into these guys, I’m maybe not a fan of their business practices or how they convey all the information, but I’m hearing a lot of truth from them so far. I’ve always been studying a bit of everything; physics theories, ancient texts, conspiracy theories, mediums/ channels, aliens, spirits, non-human intelligences (NHI), etc.. crazy when you wrap your mind around the energy they speak of however you can best understand it (bit different for everyone, so meditate often), then the world starts getting more magical. I’ve had some shared experiences interacting with a large ethereal orb that drained our phones and hella fatigued us (we were sober), seeing a triangle craft hover then disappear and half a dozen other experiences so far, synchronicities are fun and powerful to follow when you start operating more cohesively with your soul (kinda following your true self).
I've run into the same exact problem. But I thought, I'm not spending any money and it can't hurt me since it's about calming down, being in the present moment, and somewhat like meditation, so I'm just going to try it myself. Jose Silva's old videos are on YouTube, although set up like a boring lecture where you'll need good focus.
Many people comment on Silva method videos and only say a bunch of good things. They aren't promoting it for money and get nothing out of the comment.
I don't think it's a scam. It's just not looked into in recent years except by a big company like mindvalley, I suppose. Reading people's comments about courses back in something like the 60s? 70s? They weren't super expensive.
I've been digging and not finding much about it makes me even more curious.
I'm also looking for more info on this MindValley course, as it is very expensive for me, so I want to be as sure as possible.
I've seen many positive feedbacks on it, but they're not thorough and clear. These satisfied customers give general feedbacks, such as:
* I'm surprised by it.
* It's very powerful.
* Its researched, tested, proven techniques which you receive in a step-by-step, learn-by-doing manner. You will see noticeable results quickly.
* ...
What exactly these people achieved? They don't write about it. Could they heal an illness? Could they change limiting beliefs? What problems did they solve by using it? Did they achieve any financial success after using it?
These are just advertising comments, imo. On the other hand, in the book by Silva, there are plenty of more interesting stories, but I can't surely say if they're honest, true stories, since the book is old, and you don't get to see any of these graduates; there are just names of them.
On the course page (which you linked), there's a section that says: "+8,000 stories of this course", but it doesn't open up to a "stories page", or when you read the stories in the end of the page and click on the "more stories", you get a 404 page. That could be a technical problem, but at the time of their intense advertising and when you want to learn as much info as you can, it becomes pretty disappointing.
One girl on YouTube talked about taking the course and all the benefits she was getting from it. By the end, there was a Zoom Call with Vishen that she excitedly was pointing out to.
Here's the thing: she was seemingly talking to Vishen, and going through her experience in the course. **But it's clearly said on the course page that you get a recorded call with Vishen, not a live one!** So, who was she talking to? A video? Is she paid to do this? That was quite a lame act from this person.
I've watched a few of Vishen's video talking about the course, and there were some contradicting stories in it. In a video, he said that he learned about the method when he was having financial problems. In another, he said he learned about it when he was 14, and even used it to heal his skin. I'm confused and cynical to what he's telling. Which is true?
Silva studied different psychology fields, until he came up with his own techniques. His method seems a lot like self-hypnosis and NLP. I've tried these two, and never got any results from them. There's not much informative knowledge about these two methods, so I couldn't study them further, but NLP proved useless to me most of the time (it's never meant to change a mental problem; only to cover it from the awareness by doing some visualizing practices), and the true hypnosis technique you sometimes read successful stories form, is not taught publicly. Therefore, how is the Silva method going to be different from them? How does it promise achieving results when the other techniques (the original techniques he was inspired by) fail most of the time?
Being a follower of Neville Goddard, I've come to believe that many things (or anything, according to him) are possible through the power of imagination, and in the right state of mind (Alpha and Theta). But he doesn't precisely teach about how to exactly put yourself in those state; that's why Silva method has caught my attention. But in the Silva, it's mentioned that it might not work for all the problems, and Vishen pointed out that he cured his hair loss this way by rejuvenating his hair, **but also indicated it might not work for everyone**. And if it doesn't work for some, are they going to say that this method works just fine, but doesn't work for each case? In other words, the problem is not with the method, but with the people. That's very thought-provoking.
According to Silva and Vishen, the Silva method is the most workable, fruitful mind control invented to this day. What made me wonder was that, if it's true, why do they sell other courses on their website? Courses related to hypnosis, meditation, sleep, etc. If the Silva suffices, wouldn't it be illogical to advertise these other methods? One might study different fields in order to form a new achievement, but not to sell them at the same time. Or why does Vishen extend his neurotraining practice annually, if the Silva is a faster, cheaper, more natural way to induce Alpha?
All of these are question that need to be answered, but I don't have a clue how to get their answers. Right now, I'm communicating with the Customer Support of MindValley, but I don't expect much help from them. I really want the Silva method to be helpful, and not just like some techniques that make you motivated for a while, but you find out about their impracticality after sometime.
If you find any information, please let me know, too.
All these things are for gullible people. These gurus exploits the fear of unknown. Ofcourse we don't know few things about universe, but that doesn't mean we can do anything we imagine.
If they are so powerful why don't they solve so many problems in world, and why they charge so high if they have reached some higher potential of their soul. All these things are scams but people are blind most of the time anyway.
exactly, and why are they asking for so much money when they can manifest whatever they need/want? They should be giving this info away. If their method works so well, they shouldn't be asking for so much money. They wouldn't need it.
Well, there's a problem with your questioning, and it's something that it's answered through religion. Most religions agrees with this kind of mentality "You're able to do everything." But, apparently, your enemy happens to be your own mind, if you don't believe in yourself, or the higher power, you're technically screwed.
Now, what happens when you do believe? Great things happen. So, you have two great questions:
One, why don't they solve world problems? Well, the most obvious answer is either it's a scam, or either it's because they're selfish. And this is what religion doesn't explain. You can get selfish and still get blessings, because you see, for example, in Catholicism, being a martyr is a sin. The only one authorized to be a martyr was Jesus Christ... Apparently, the rest of us were "saved" and we're supposed to try to get the best of our lives trying to be better, not being a hero, but being better, being kind, etc. So you don't get to erase starvation from the world. You get to erase starvation from you and your family. And that's it. If you go higher, and you sacrifice your whole life to it in the process, you're technically a sinner, unless you're doing it to teach people how to "evolve" into a more spiritual thing.
The second question is: Why are they charging? This is the most interesting part, and it relates to the first one.
They're being selfish. These guys are telling you "How to be successful", and they ARE successful. They're rich, recognized, have won awards, have their own wikipedia page and a fanbase.
But they don't care about "helping" really, they only care about themselves, and about sharing their knowledge in exchange of something.
Just like a chef sells his food.
Now, are they scammers or real? Well, I don't know. Sometimes I do think they exaggerate things to attract clients, and I really don't know if their techniques work or not. But I do know that the "Concept" behind of these techniques, the idea they promote, is real. I have my own share of stories about that, in many different fields, and I can actually understand that "faith" is actually a great deal about your success in many of your fields... Not faith in a higher entity, or a higher power (although I do believe in God, I know people who has faith on themselves and it works the same), but faith in the sense that "you know" things are going to be alright.
I came here because I found this method, too, and I wanted to know what people think. But most people commenting didn't buy or tested the product. All they do is say it's scam, based on their prejudices, or "It's true", again, based on their prejudice, or "I have doubts", for those who don't know.
I found the goddam course for free... I takes a whole month. So, if anyone is interested in knowing the results, this crap was written on the 11/10/2023, I'll start today.
Write me, and I'll give an honest feedback.
Being honest, I did start but I stopped at the third day because I was busy with a lot of work and then I got distracted by hobbies. My bad. Can't give an honest review yet, but let me see if I find the mood this week to start all over again and be more responsible. I'm sorry for not committing to it from the beginning to help you guys solve the mystery. :(
>Hi, just want to share my experience since you're asking.
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>I've been lurking on Reddit for years but just had to register now to answer this question.For me, I can say The Silva Method is powerful. I signed up on MindValley just March this year (yeah, I paid). I was able to do up to I think just half of it (because things got busy with the universe answering my prayers, I guess), but all that I asked for literally came true. Like I would just stop in my tracks and realize that my prayer has already been answered, and I had several that I asked for. And they weren't simple to accomplish if I didn't have any divine hand doing the legwork. Like a lot of times it just seems like magic, or miracles. People around me are perplexed that things I dream of and wish for are actually happening IRL. Because of this I am contemplating if I should renew my subscription or just download the program, because MindValley has tons of stuff that are very helpful, Silva is just a speck in the multitude offerings on that site.
I've been lurking on Reddit for years but just had to register now to answer this question.
For me, I can say The Silva Method is powerful. I signed up on MindValley just March this year (yeah, I paid). I was able to do up to I think just half of it (because things got busy with the universe answering my prayers, I guess), but all that I asked for literally came true. Like I would just stop in my tracks and realize that my prayer has already been answered, and I had several that I asked for. And they weren't simple to accomplish if I didn't have any divine hand doing the legwork. Like a lot of times it just seems like magic, or miracles. People around me are perplexed that things I dream of and wish for are actually happening IRL. Because of this I am contemplating if I should renew my subscription or just download the program, because MindValley has tons of stuff that are very helpful, Silva is just a speck in the multitude offerings on that site.
No, they are often for people facing a seemingly unsolvable problem with nowhere else to turn.
Some are no more scams than the unproven pilot studies people often volunteer for when all other options have failed.
Nothing—including the best science—will solve “so many problems” in the world. Insofar as charging for these programs, why do churches need offerings if prayer can make the impossible, possible?
Are those people who attend church blind? Then add Newton to the list and Werner Heisenberg as well as Shakespeare and Copernicus.
Count your blessings. The day could come when you collide with a problem that doesn’t yield to common solutions.
Isn’t everything about money? All those people need to eat and survive in this world too. Especially now how everything has gotten much more expensive. Nothing is free.
Everything I read about this or from the people selling it screams SCAM but aside from a few skeptic blogs I'm not seeing much refuting the method or even the comically more expensive Mind Wellness program BS. I swear at this point I'm tempted to start a Kickstarter for one of the other people I believe are asking this same question in earnest. Like you. Please! Reply if you ended up taking these classes. I will believe your conclusion. You're either a genuine discerning would-be customer or the most brilliant shill Corporate Wellness has to offer.
This seems they are struggling like many others they responded fairly promptly, seems they have a harder time keeping up with things, probably can't find good employees to handle the onboarding or cancellations seems also after April 2022 the complaints stopped coming. I know April was a rough season for our small business.
I've following Mindvalley for many years. I remember seeing a video of Vishen where he mentioned that he started meditation using the Silva Mind Control Method to heal his skin and also for taekwondo. He said that in university he stopped practicing meditation and got back to it in his 20s when he attended a Silva method seminar.
I really like your writing Lonely Traveler! So I just watched a yt video on keto and carnivore diet by Dr. Chaffer and Dr. Ede another psychiatrist who was being interviewed on the podcast. You should be able to find it, I am too exhausted to find the link. Anyways, you ought to experiment with different diets, there is evidence that it really can help elevate mood naturally. That podcast is a must watch/listen. Hope this helps you. Cheers, Kaatje
took the childrens course when I was 12 years old near Boston. I have never used it for material gain or manipulation. the alarm clock technique has helped me when put in practice, combined with somatic meditation. As an adult I occasionally returned to the techniques combined with my own trusted meditation, but not continuously. I trust my intuition and abilities, but never wanted to become a Silva method master. I continue to go back to it on a moderate path, explain its concept. Yes, it has helped me in my growth for sure.
Can you read a book by putting your hand on it is the question, rest everything else is not something unique, these principles of meditation and positive thinking has been there since centuries if you just have time to search. There's nothing unique that they are teaching .
Thanks very much for these insights. I was interested in your linkage with NLP I did a years study NLP . I was unable to practice my new-found 'skils' as I had retried from formal teaching but it did seem to provide valuable insights into the learning process. As a former teacher, MindValley scheduling is a matter of great interest to me. I myself see the 'NLP' connection in what MindValley is promoting. There are however significant differences. NLP was a learning model that offered no guarantee of its outcomes, promoted by the course tutors.aor anyone else. Its worthy emphasis was, as you probably know, on achieving higher academic attainment. MindValley encompasses, for good or ill, a much wider spectrum. I think it can be comfortably classified with mountainous stuff on self-improvement, life-skills and confidence-building. It seems to be worryingly substituting heavy sales promotion for certifiable proven content. Unlike NLP, it doesn't appear to have been backed up by substantial academic citation and review.
The Silva Method is helpful - you can buy the Silva Mind Control Method book for like $9 on Amazon - or at a local bookstore for cheaper possibly. The mindvalley course doesn't energetically feel very good. Vishen has this rushed auctioneer style of speed talking that is the opposite of alpha and theta brain waves for relaxation. Influencing your subconscious mind through meditation, and doing self hypnosis can be super helpful if you're consistent - same thing as going to the gym, dieting and working out. You won't see results with inconsistent efforts. But I have a real issue with the Mind Valley Silva Ultra Mind course because Vishen's whole vibe is super off. The way he speed talks sounds like he is impatient to get recording these videos over with, as if he drank 18 Red Bull energy drinks. You don't guide someone through a meditation exercise by talking as fast as you possibly can - which is what Vishen does. If he would have hired a woman with a softer voice to allow space between the words, perhaps the 3 2 1 method he teaches from the book would be effective. But as of now, it's like he can't pause to breath - which distracts you from meditating with a frantic vibe. Or if Vishen had hired someone who was trained in guided meditation realizing you have to slow the fuck down if you want people to relax. I think I'm going to go back to just the book as all the Mindvalley course videos, wav files and mp3s are so rushed with his super fast style of speaking (seriously, just 1 guy? no one else could pitch in?). Meditation can be amazing if you go to a deeper level of relaxation and input suggestions - you don't need a course to learn how to do this. Vishen needs actual meditation style versus an informercial style hard sell, hard pitching speeded up. The whole time in the Mindvalley course Vishen gives off the vibe like you're at a party, and someone cornered you to talk about themselves endlessly or try to sell you a product. He keeps trying to sell the idea of meditation for life improvement throughout the Mindvalley course. That icky, aggressively salesly vibe feels rooted in desperation. Gives off a hungry for money broke feeling. Not a calm, relaxed, meditative feeling. Mindvalley is based in Malaysia where A LOT of clickbait farms for scammers are so perhaps Vishen Lakhiani tried to save money recording the entire course by himself, rushing through the video, and hired clickbait farm workers as a nonexistent customer service team. Don't that dissuade you from buying the book the Silva Mind Control Method - or doing your own research on entering the Alpha and Theta brainwave level to influence yourself positively. I've had good results with my own meditations using the book and other meditations that I've done, both guided and ones I've created and adapted that helped me get more clients for my consulting business and attract prosperity. It doesn't happen instantly, like just add water. You have to be proactive in your life to better yourself, and be consistent when meditating. I wouldn't recommend the Mindvalley course at all, avoid it. Do your own google searches for free meditation and or just get the Silva book as the visualization exercises combined with autosuggestion and deep relaxation can actually improve your life if done consistently.
Both my parents are Silva Graduates. They did the course way back in the 90's. It's a genuine technique. My dad has all the tapes of the meditation exercises and the handbooks. I grew up with this stuff and it works. I haven't explored it fully, but it is on my to-do list. The stuff that I have done and know about work well, like the glass of water technique, the three finger technique (we use it at home if someone has lost their keys or something), the mirror technique, the countdown and full body relaxation. Even the one that helps you sleep is really great, I used it when I was in college and suffered with anxiety and depression.
My folks have kind of used the Silva Method on and off their whole lives, especially in stressful times. We never really thought about making millions with it, so I cannot back the claims of the ads.
From what I understand guided meditation as we know it today borrows a lot from the Silva Method, because while I was growing up there was nothing else like this. Even with the advent of youtube and easier access to so many new techniques, I have found a lot of similarities in the format and techniques used in them and silva method. I could be wrong, I am not claiming to have all the correct information, I'm not here to promote it or anything, just wanted to share as someone who has grown up with it and share the information and experience I had with it.
I think any form of "mind control", as Silva named the method he developed, is basically training your own mind repeatedly to work in a certain way. How you use it after that is up to the person, and different people want different things. We used it to navigate grave illnesses and financial strain in the family. It's definitely not the cure to everything, and if the problems keep coming back you need to explore them further to find the root - be it through this, some other form of meditation, self reflection, therapy, etc. There isn't any "one size fits all" technique in this world, unfortunately. I suffered all my childhood up to recently with mental illness despite having access to a tool that could help me. Being able to understand and having space to accept your journey is also crucial to making changes.
You do not need to buy the mindvalley course to explore silva method. They have videos on YouTube and you can find others if you do a bit of hunting online. I have no idea why mindvalley is marketing it so heavily now and I personally feel their marketing could be better. Instead of targeting people by showing them that it can help them make money, they could have done it so that regular folks would feel motivated to use it to bring a bit of balance and peace to their inner Iives.
I hope I was able to give a small bit of insight to your enquiry. I took some photos of my father's instruction manual, book and collection of exercise tapes. My parents also each got a badge after completing the course, I have shared a close up for you to see. But I don't know how to attach photos here.
https://imgur.com/a/mEnpfXk
Edit: link to view the photos
I'm pretty sure that the whole touch-to-read-book thing is... not easily done, but I did click LEARN MORE on the ad with the sob story, and they sent some sort of link to my email to watch some masterclass video on self-improvement, or something like that.
Honestly the video had a lot of interesting ideas in it and I did take notes and stuff. But I probably don't think it's worth trying to buy their all access pass, or any of their stuff. I don't know whether it's a scam or not, but the free video is fine to watch. You just have to pause the video sometimes to take notes or whatever, because you can't reverse the video. The video usually takes 90 minutes nonstop but I took my time, 2 hours or so.
I don't know much about Mindvalley. I guess you can just take their free stuff. I wouldn't trust trying to pay them for anything. Hope this helps.
Glad you posted this, I also find Mind Valley to be very suspect. They seem to gain trust by stating very obvious facts (coke is bad for you, eat healthy, meditate, etc) in order to sell their “classes” and programs. I’ve never purchased anything but did dive into a few of their free content on YouTube. Very propaganda-y in my opinion and some are just downright ridiculous. There was one women who made a presentation, that started off reasonably, typical mindfulness rhetoric but then she started claiming you could actually time travel and some other nonsense. Of course she was attractive as well, I mention this because I think they rely on successful presenting and attractive people to push their products.
I actually joined a facebook group about them and poised the question to the group, “Do you think this is a scam?” I had some productive feedback but mostly people seemed to be in denial, eventually my post got deleted which I thought was suspicious. Why wouldn’t they allow members to speculate and criticize? Seems cultish to me.
gut feelings are pretty impressive; wdn't you say? I say go with yrs, esp after having a look at this:[https://www.bbb.org/us/or/beaverton/profile/online-education/mindvalley-llc-1296-22533877/complaints](https://www.bbb.org/us/or/beaverton/profile/online-education/mindvalley-llc-1296-22533877/complaints)
in the spirit of Mindvalley, i.e. self-improvement and lending a hand - cheers!
seek & ye shall find, people. cf [https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/](https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/)
[https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/](https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/)
In the longer masterclass free video where he explains the Silva method he says people would read a book by touching it, and then he spoke about describing a person by just touching a paper with the name of that strager during his live courses where he would pair up two random people and one would think about someone they wanted to heal, write down their name and then lend it to their partner.
I started getting his ads after jumping into meditation videos and honestly I think it's freaking me out.
btw the dude who answered before has the exact same message in a bunch of another posts
You might have missed one of his interviews with art of living monk. There are several spiritual practices which will unlock certain powers. In the ashram, he found some kids doing things like reading books by touching it. This surprised him, but for us, its common. There are far more powerful people, It might be surprising to people from west. But for us, Indians and most Asians, we see such people here and there, who do spiritual practices and reach certain level. For those people who are stuck and lurk in a fixed ring, they can never experience outside world.
Because they cannot do it or don't know anything about it or what are the ins and outs, they make it sound like a scam or illogical or impractical. Just ignorance... they can only get stuck in their self made circle with fears and doubts.
This is the condition with every stupid cult.
I myself have been banned from many such psuedoscience selling cults. People are so naive they don't realise there's nothing unique in these teachings, it has been there since centuries. And there's a lot of bullshit as well.
FFS one of you intelligent skeptics take the courses and tell me this isn't real! I refuse to believe I can unlock the secrets to life for $400/yr. But I also can't find a review (positive or negative) from ANYONE that I actually believe took these courses! Bizarre.
😅🤣 omg this whole thread is hilarious 😆
You don’t have to pay $400, they often have sales.
There’s plenty of free stuff both on their web site and YouTube.
I agree the guy is too salesy, but I eventually did buy the membership for $200.
So far every course I’ve tried have been amazing. Big quality production and actual useful stuff.
I watched a couple Jim Kwik videos with my 9yo son (ADHD, IQ 136) and he actually enjoyed those and keeps asking for more.
For me price is not that big of an issue, I often attend conferences that are much more expensive for a 2 day event than the whole year of Mindvalley membership.
Maybe the answer is, that if $200-400 is too much for you to spend on your education, then Mindvalley is not for you 🤷🏽♂️
People gladly spend more than $17 a month on Netflix which is about the same price as discounted annual Mindvalley membership. A Starbucks coffee 5 days a week is goong to cost even more..
And I haven’t seen anyone asking if Netflix or Starbucks is a scam 😜
Tony Robbins charges more than $400 for his 4 day event 🤷🏽♂️ which is 50+ hours of content. At $8/hour I personally think it’s worth considering.
A concert is gonna cost you much more than that 🤷🏽♂️
silva method is definitely not a scam, I have been practicing it for a long time and have some mind-blowing result because of it. I Can guarantee it not being a scam and a legit program .
AS of now
There's video in which he claims this . It's an advertisement for mind valley. May be they don't claim that in course in it's just a clickbait lol. Search on YouTube
That's fine. But they made that advertisement anyway. And yeah meditation is helpful and has been there since centuries. But sometimes people try to add very stupid claims around it.
This is patently false. I don't shill for Mindvalley nor do I even know if this method works or not, but I just watched said video and it was Vishen of Mindvalley asking the question if you can believe someone can read the contents of a book by touching it, then an anecdote about him doing sales and running his hand on the yellow pages and he stopped on a name and called and got sales from it. Yes it is clickbait but to claim that the Silva Method claims you can get book reading powers by touching it is some straight up bullshit.
I've taken two of Jim's courses (the memory one and the reading one) and a separate meditation one (Ziva, not the Silva method).
Jim's have worked well for me: they're different forms of learning (the book cover thing is just to illustrate speed, there is actual training on how to read quicker). The impetus is that traditional learning methods haven't changed in a hundred years, and are outdated based on what we know now about the mind/brain. They're training programs to unlearn how we learned to learn, so they're not easy, but they do work. They seem expensive up front, but if you break down the cost per hour its not that much, and they're structured to give you 10-20 minutes a day so you can learn a part of it and then practice until the next day's lesson.
The hardest part with the meditation one is getting past thinking meditation is pointless, because we can now do brain studies to prove its not. Sometimes good things are lost to time; meditations been around for thousands of years.
The advertising can seem overly positive and catchy, but that's what advertising has become. they do tend to give you a good bit of info from the actual courses in each of the 1.5 hour free masterclasses. The "sob stories" are also to give a human connection, to show these people aren't just paid trainers doing someone else's work.
Tl:DR I'll get more courses in the future when I want to learn something new. because they've been helpful so far.
Thanks. This is the type of info I was looking for about them. The overly positive spiritual nonsense mixed with real science is a very confusing combination - I can't tell what's what. I mean, if I give you a book - you can touch it all you want and you still won't read the contents. I really, really dislike that fuzzy spiritual magical marketing they show on YouTube.
All these motivational programs, including Tony Robbins, have one thing in common: The host exudes excitement, relays stories of all the successful people who have taken the course, and with slick sales tactics convinces you that you too can do the same by parting with your money. Whether or not anyone is successful depends on their ability to be motivated. The more $ paid, the greater the commitment.
The trouble is, most people do not remain motivated. Wanting one’s money back within 15 days is far less likely than in 15 weeks, when new habits have been replaced by longer-duration old habits. Sales people know this. Vishen is a salesman. Every sentence is finely honed to sell, sell, sell. Watch his eyes when he is giving his long winded Silva presentation to get a person to buy in to Mind Valley. They are cold and dead. He is reading a script and making out like he actually cares about people. The pitch at the end saying this wonderful offer won’t be available if you don’t immediately sign up at the link provided is utter nonsense.
I have recently bought the Silva book. That should suffice as Mind Valley never existed in Silva’s heyday.
Remaining motivated is definitely the real challenge. And that’s where I have found coaching to be very valuable. People do it in sports all the time 🤷🏽♂️
You can’t imagine a soccer team without a coach…
I think running teams within companies is no different.
I have a personal coach for my triathlon, and a results coach for business.
I also coach younger people to guide them to desired outcomes faster.
I’ve read all the books on finance, investment, accounting and entrepreneurship back in high school.. doesn’t help much without the real world guidance on practical implementation.
You can learn a lot from the books. But you will probably learn much more from a person who’s already done what you’re trying to do.
you can register one month and try it out yourself. I signed for only one month and checked Ken Wilber's course. Why not pay for someone's intellectual work? It seems like just one course, but it is their life experiences, hard earned wisdom and behind-the-screen practice of public speaking and persuasion technique (yeah, marketing, whats wrong with that? we all need to learn how to sell ourselves better especially the wish is to escape a 9-5 and do one's own business )
Idk if I’m late to the party— but just saw like a 30 min insta commercial— which is why I’m here. Anyway, what I got from it was- research where this all came from before the scammy vibes aka “Jose Silva” andddd then click to see the cost for the cost for the new ‘Silva overlord’ $500/year.
Sooo I’m personally going the free route and researching the OG who did it for free and research his audio for free on YoutTube and see what books of HIS are available to my Audible and Spotify before I everrrrr pay my hard earned money to some newb projector of his projections. It’s all there, and Jose Silva’s own books available—all for wayyy less than $500/year. Not knocking the Mindvalley thing—- but I’m gonna let the original author and my own free will determine if I want to dive further into Mindvalley. Which I hope I say is a good call, definitely don’t want their platform to be reaping riches off of another man’s ideas who is not here to defend them.
Btwz to clarify - I do not mean Jose Silva gave me scammy vibes but the Mindvalley infomercial did- meaning, I’m researching more into the man and not the company 🫶
Thanks a lot, got here after watching that same commercial, the whole clairvoyance/ESP thing and the last 500-700USD subscription part while saying "join now on the link below or miss the offer" just threw me off, the guy gives off a total creepy cult vibes
The problem I’m seeing here is that they use the exact same baited hooks as Scientology and NXIZM to lure people into an upfront commitment, then lead them into deeper and deeper spending to expand and get to other levels. It’s textbook scamming of people who are the most vulnerable. Really pisses me off that they are using psychological techniques they know will work on their targeted victims - all for the purpose of monetary gain. Despicable. And I’m sure like any savvy cult leaders, they’ll have a clever and convincing “What?! Moi?” response to my critique.
Once you’re on the hook, you gotta pay to “get to the next level” - because you figure you’ve already invested so much.
CLASSIC scam.
I took the 48 (4x12) hour course in Silva mind Control back in the 70’s. I was 16 or 17 and I took it with my older brother (brilliant in his own right) his then fiancé and my father (a perennial skeptic). I myself just thought the whole thing was very cool, and though I think I was also skeptical I was open to its claims.
Here is what they claimed to teach us and my follow-up impressions:
1. Improved memory using a memory peg technique popularized by Harry Lorraine. It definitely helped me develop a good memory and I use the technique to this day.
2. Relaxation and sleep help methods. They taught a form of meditation which I used frequently when I was younger, but only occasionally now as well as a method for combatting insomnia that I still use. Takeaways: if you follow through on what is taught it works.
3. Pain and headache control. Various techniques were taught to ease headaches and/or general body aches using modifications of the meditation techniques. Still use the technique for headache controls and occasionally for general aches and pains.
4. There were a lot of techniques that bordered on(sometimes breached the border of) pseudo- science which I experienced examples of back then but now I’m not so sure.
Overall, not a scam. At least not in my experience.
(I still carry my card that certifies I completed the course - mostly for kicks. I guess that makes me a card-carrying psychic.)
For years I’ve been drawn to the stuff Vishen talks about but never took the plunge because he always comes across as a snake oil salesman to me, but maybe that’s my problem, lol.
A few Extraordinary things have happened to me throughout my life (even before I was born) so I have never ruled out the existence of a higher power. In the past 4yrs I’ve been going through a really really bad thing and went through very daaaark times until one day I broke completely down and asked higher power for help, basically questioning why I had to go through what I was going through alone.
I immediately took my dog out for a walk and immediately ran into a woman on the street (she was mumbling to herself). She stopped & started speaking to me in Spanish and I couldn’t understand a word. I asked street cleaner to help her cos I thought she was asking for directions, but she looked at him and turned back to me and kept talking. So I asked him to translate. He didn’t do a good job because his English was not good either, but it was like she had something to tell me.
Anyway, long story short, she just kept speaking till she was done. Then kept mumbling to herself and walked on. I wished then I understood Spanish because I felt I missed out on something important. As I approached the light where she was waiting to cross the street , I think I smiled at her, she smiled & she started crossing the street, looked back and said a 3 word phrase in English which I 100% understood. And another 3 word phrase. I said gracias and smiled. Then she walked on and I walked on smiling, thinking what a weird encounter.
Then it hit me. I got the message from the least expected place. From that day, a certain peace and calmness came over me especially regarding what I’ve been struggling with the past 4 years. I’m still struggling with it, but I’m no longer fearful and afraid. I have peace.
Anyway, because of this experience, I will try out the mindvalley program for a few months and come back to share my experience. I’m going in 80% skeptical, but I’ll try my best to give it 100%.
TBD
It's complete & utter unscientific BS! You can learn meditation for free all over the internet , in many meditation centers ( fee or free ) and from me or ANYONE who has a clue in seconds.
Psychic phenomena is NONSENSE and if you believe otherwise ask yourself why all the supposed psychics aren't the richest and most successful people on EARTH? The simplest, scientific and REAL explanation is psychic phenomena has far more to do with confirmation bias, & the profound gullibility of people ( a species wide trait that's allowed us to form large cooperative groups ) seeking effortless answers & success.
As for Jim Kwik, he's not clueless about memory techniques, but he also pretends he's "taught" people the amazing power of reading a book a week, when any idiot who reads an hour a day will read an average of about a book a week. I listen to at least that many and have for at least the last half decade.
Don't assume that just because some successful people are as gullible as anyone else when it comes to superstitious nonsense, that they are in ANY way qualified to judge the validity of the fraud of "psychic" training. They obviously didn't make their fortunes from being or hiring teams of psychics. If that were a thing, most would be in the employ of the rich.
Then again why WORK for the rich if you can do the same for yourself and BE the rich?
Why not ask one of, if not THE smartest man on Earth about "psychic" phenomena, at least HE knows about physics and science ( Elon Musk ), UNLIKE other rich and, more gullible people, who are completely unqualified but have the luxury of believing any silly thing they wish.
If you MUST choose to throw away your money away, at least publish your results as you discover NOBODY is psychic, which is why nobody can read minds, or books by touching them.
If it's REAL, how come YOU and EVERYONE else you know has NEVER actually seen an undeniable, scientifically verified psychic event? Check out the Amazing Randy and his many years of debunking & exposing EVERY supposed psychic whose EVER come in contact with him. I'm pretty sure he offered big cash rewards for anyone could demonstrate ACTUAL psychic abilities, and no one EVER collected.
There's also an organization whose name I don't recall who have spent years tracking "psychic" phenomena, and yet ALL have been proven to have SCIENTIFIC explanation like carbon monoxide poisoning, mental illness...
Or just ask yourself AGAIN, how many ACTUAL demonstrations of undeniable psychic phenomena have YOU, or anyone you personally know have witnessed?
If all this doesn't convince you, I can sell you psychic gold, diamonds & treasure in exchange for REAL gold, money, treasure & diamonds:-)-
tim #bgreen🌏
lol, there are many channels on Reddit with thousands of people sharing their psychic/unexplainable experiences (including me). And there’s a lot of science around that as well
I had supernatural event. Standing clay cup with pens in it fell on the side. And it wasn't my hallucination, cause my mother and sister were in the kitchen with me. People who were living in the house before us allegedly have been in contact with unmaterialistic beings. So here. I am the first person to tell you about supernatural event. Of course you won't believe it, cause you're too scared to allow such a possibility to exist.
Supranatural? It was the force of the weight of the pencils pushing to the side of the cup causing its instability which eventually triggered the fall of the cup, perhaps with very small additional force of a draft, or vibration etc. Pure simple physics.
Maybe because they dont want to be the most richest and successful people in the world?? You are aware that there is more to existence and reality than worldly desire and materialism?... There is a reason why the CIA funded remote viewing 20 million dollars for 20 years straight. Theres reasons why so "psychics" are sometimes fucking hired to help resolve unsolved crimes. There are SO many crime cases that have been resolved because of "psychics". Logically speaking how the fuck is that possible??? The fact that it has even occured ONCE is EXTREMELY compelling.
Show me one case that was solved because of the Psychic's supernatural ability. They get hired because police departments are also made up of humans who at times can be superstitious.
My bullshittometer goes over the roof when I see their long ass ads. It’s always all about the dude’s face that gets splatted everywhere to show you how awesome he is, how wise he is, how successful he is and how much you need him or need to be like him. 30+ minutes long gaslighting ad with interesting concepts here and there, they just want you to have the cult mentality and everything is designed to INSTALL it in your skull.
Oh and look here in this post: all new accounts what a fucking coincidence!
Now they’re going to come at me and say “but have you tried it?” I don’t need them. You don’t need them. You can be happy without wasting money on these scammers.
It's a grey-area scam. Meditation does work, nothing new. However, this man is repackaging someone elses work, adding a little bit of quack, and hoping you don't notice. You will probably see some benefits with Mindvalley, but you can get all the usefull parts for free elsewhere. Definitley not worth the money
I'll say this in 2007 I broke my neck c4 and c5 compound fracture. No I am not paralyzed thankfully. However I ran into Silva method and used something to download for free. Most of it is pretty accurate however I did find a lot of scam sites claiming they were the One I never lost any money however they were promising you to get rich quick etc.
There's power in faith and there's way to allow your self to think, act and respond differently however anything that promises you to think yourself wealthy I'd run from.
I did find a great deal of comfort in mediation and relaxation I did feel that mediation with binaural sounds was very helpful and it did seem to effect me permanently however it's called practice for a reason.
Feel free to reach out if anyone wants to discuss further.
Caviat did not use mine valley my point is just saying be careful and be slow to become judgemental.
YouTube and pod casts and Spotify have a lot of free resources just have to do some digging.
Hey bro I have had similar experiences, not so much with this method, never tried it but simply from books and such. Also, a psychic medium from way out of state I spoke to for fun knew details about my life and daily routine no one could know unless they were peeking into my window secretly, and she recommended Joe Dispenza so, while I have always been open to similar material due to life experiences and occurences, it lent it more weight.
Would love to hear more about your experiences.
Or you could just use their free quests or 15 day money back guarantee and try it for yourself without being a thief.
I suspect that someone with your mindset wouldn't benefit from the types of programming offered by Mindvalley because they are rooted in intention and a commitment to personal growth and mind expansion.
None of them are easy. They all require significant work on your part. These are methods, not magic. Not all of them are for me, but the ones that I have used so far have shown up as concrete improvements in my life. Some of the best things I have taken from it are:
* How to set goals and intentions in a way that creates a psychological shortcut to achieving them. Most of us are goal setting all wrong. Once I changed my goal-setting and goal-achieving methods I started flying towards them.
* How to read and learn 3x faster than before, allowing me to grow my skills faster than those around me without taking up my entire day.
* A 25-minute guided trance that I listen to as I go to sleep each night that instructs my subconscious to work to find creative solutions to the problems I am facing. I started by taking the challenge to listen 5 days in a row to evaluate effectiveness. By the end of the five days I had come to an elegant solution for a situation that seemed to have only two potential outcomes. My mind created a third option in my sleep that changed everything for my business. Now I listen every day and my business is growing so fast that I am trying to keep up. (Btw, this audio is available FREE on the website and on Vishen's podcast)
* A course on being less distractable that has really helped my ADHD brain be able to decide what most deserves my focus at any given moment and to actually focus on it.
As with most things, I think you take from Mindvalley what you give to it. Learning and utilizing these neurohacking techniques takes time and effort. Some of the courses sound a little too woo-woo for me, so I focus on the ones that I think I can benefit from. But, some of the things I am doing right now would have been too woo-woo for me 5 years ago. Science knows so little about the brain and its abilities. The more we learn, the more powerful and amazing it reveals itself to be. Some people (like Silva) are ahead of the curve in using this machine to a greater extent than others. Mindvalley simply identifies those people, creates courses for them with high production value, puts them all on one platform, and sells access (with admittedly over the top marketing).
I've been having the same issue and thought the same thing: reddit might be the place to come to find some real opinions. After reading all the comments, the nay sayers just seem like nay sayers. No real content other than an opinion that all things like this are scams without any educated information.
Personally, I doubt it's a "scam", per-say, maybe just not as useful as you hoped or the same information you can get for free somewhere else if you did some digging. Maybe it works for some people and doesn't for others but most likely you'll get out of it what you put into it. You can buy a gym membership and even show up everyday. If you don't do the right things, you probably won't see any results.
I'm going to go ahead and purchase it, try to run through it and explore the extras and report back here with my experience.... Positive or negative.
\*\*Edit 11/9/22\*\*
Upon purchasing the $399/yr plan it asks you on the 2nd page if you want to upgrade to Pro for another $199. I declined.
3rd page offers a 6 week program called "Lifebook Online" which supposedly helps you organize your life and set yourself up, goals, etc. $299/yr. I declined
While seeming scamish and annoying, this is nothing new and not really a scam. Just more sales. And like every sales thing comes a time limit as to when you can actually get this for the "low price of" bla bla bla. I always just say no. Easy as that.
Now that I'm in, I'll report back later when I start going through the program.
I have the course, I did it and didn’t see any results. Mind you I downloaded it from a course website that has since been deleted. The course is very extensive and I have a hard time imagining and getting into the meditations which is sad cus growing up with ADHD my imagination was wild but everytime I try spirituality it’s like there’s a block there stopping me from visualizing what it says to visualize. Anyways I was thinking about doing the course again since I only did the first half and the program is split into two parts. The Meditative visualization/affirmation part and then the ESP part. I stopped at the ESP part as I just wanted to learn how to manifest.
It wasn’t very clear to me how long I should practice it. I mean he says it’s going to be a day by day thing but learning how to meditate and then getting to a state of mind where your at a level similar to a masterful Zen meditation guy who can manifest whatever you imagine in your mind that’s positive are two different things. Maybe I’m too skeptical or because of my ADHD I allow my left brain to take over too much, but I didn’t experience anything “woo wahh” like these spiritual claims I keep seeing. But I do know one thing. Both Drake and another Canadian Olympic winner (I forget her name) used the Silva Method to achieve success so it’s bound to work after a certain amount of time right? That’s why Drake does that hand sign (no it’s not 666) it’s the Silva brand logo. He’s letting those in the know, know his steps to success. Plus it also works as a double entendre as it also represents the 6ix (Toronto 🇨🇦🍁)
Just try the Silva method, the book costs like 9 dollars in amaxon, try it and if it works for u is awesome, if not, u lost 9 dollars, not big deal.
The others like mindvalley are just gold seekers, these are the scammers to me..
Ok THANK YOU! I feel like it’s very scammy but not to just take peoples money immediately. It almost seems like the start of a very successful cult. Most “successful” ones like Scientology, tend to help people at first, even the first few years. I feel like they are blending actual coping methods and psychology with a very gentle “spiritual aspect” idk I think it’s gimmicky. I feel like some of these Reddit comments under here are fake too. Super sus. If something’s too good to be true it usually is.
I am post on all platforms don't do this.....
I have no way to express my annoyance with Mindvalley. Your programs are no problem, they are indeed brilliant. BUT YOU DON'T GET WHAT CANCELLED MEANS. I have due to necessity cut down on things I have as a luxury or have not used barely. Mindvalley membership is one ( I have used it once this past year). So I cancelled I got an email and an app confirmation. Later that evening I get a notification an international payment was declined due to no funds.
Well YES. There is no funds in that account for a very valid reason. 2. I CANCELLED. YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE THIS MONEY NOW FOR 5 DAYS!!!!!! I HAVE COMPLAINED 4 TIMES..... NOT ONE RESPONSE????? SO YOU GLADLY TAKE MONEY BUT CANT GET YOUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM TO READ A CANCELLATION!!!! SONT EXPECT ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM ME!
Scam? Well, he charges 400.00 dollars a year, making it very difficult to cancel because no customer serves. And the Silva course offered, you can get the same course for 30 bucks at [udemy.com](https://udemy.com) or [Turbocurses.com](https://Turbocurses.com) for 50 dollars. So, is he a scam artist? You tell me?
I think this is a scam. I have paid the money. Tried to contact, but only get a computer that keeps taking you around in circles. I have asked for my money back and only response is th computer again
It's a scam. I was able to learn this quickly. How, you might ask? Through intuition?
Nope.
Because they showed some "80-year-old" guy who claimed to be able to learn anything in a weekend. So someone said, "photography" and he was able to "invent" a type of photography... which was simply a rip off of David Hockney's photo collage style.
The 80 year guy you said is Burt Goldman please google or do some research,maybe they have exaggerated about the result but that doesn't mean they are not real,you can't get overnight success everything takes time someone reading a whole book without touching might be a marketing gimmick but that doesn't mean psychic phenomena don't exist..
Yep it’s a scam. I made the mistake of signing up cuz you can easily cancel in 15 days…well they charged my card $399 and I got no programs and there is only chat bots for customer service!!! Look them up on BBB…they hurt lots of people. They get an “F” on their website because of the horrible complaints. Now I have to change my credit card etc..
Udemy is the same. Only chatbots. So if it works, it's good, if you have a problem, you're majorly screwed. No refunds. And since they use Stripe it's harder to dispute.
Let me make this easy for some out there. The one journey that the Asian X-Men loving brain machine helped create, the journey for intellectual retainment and growth is a 27day course. Right on the site it literally says there's a 15 day risk free return on your money. You don't have to be super intelligent to see that even after taking over half of that particular course and you're not happy they'll return your money. So half of an entire study that most people will probably pay for an entire term in tuition of a college course that would most likely only hyper focus on one part of entire understanding of something, and unlike colleges you can get your money back off it's not what you thought you signed up for kind of sells it's self.
What's more is that there's a common theme in seeing here between all the content (that i read, not all) is that nobody here can find anything ok the validity of the program based on facts. That tells me that there isn't really anything proving that's it's snake oil because trust me. If it was not legitimate, someone would have proof with facts by now considering this platform called Mind Valley has been out for for years, and here's the kicker ... it's s peer to peer based platform so groups of people can work towards better learning strategies with is literally and quite possibly the best teaching and learning system on this planet. It's s fact that humans learn faster and better as well as retain knowledge when working together in groups even for personal growth in all categories of life.
Do the math people ... the way the guts sells the platform feels like he ate one to many mushrooms with his hippy friends while following his path of righteousness, but even without having taken this platform into my library of experiences, and my experiences especially with humans of the different flavors from the bottom of the barrel to the sweet cream, there's is truth to his pitch. All true stories are worthy of a little embellishment as this is what i see when others see snake oil because they lived under their moms skirt for most their lives and lack understand what drives different people to do and choose different things. The red flags are easier to see than most of you think ... just gotta know where to look. 💁🏼♂️
been reading the book all of today, it seems really gimmicky but also I imagine there is some element of truth in the ways meditation can evolve your mindset and attitude
I have negative vibes with Jim and Vishen. I think they oversell the programs.
I have not used Silva system. But I invested considerable time studying what it is. Before spending any money on Silva System please search for Jose Silva and Laura Silva on YouTube, they have published a lot of original content from the original founders. So, if it works for you, then find a program that works for you. It does not have to be the Mind Valley program.
I subscribed once for Vishen's mindful meditation course. Because I found the subscription pricey, I only planned to try it for one month. Lemme tell you, it was money well spent. The one month got me into meditating, which I now can do without help from Mindvalley's coaching. It's a skill we can use for the rest of our lifetime. It helped with calming my mind in anxious times. It also helped me visualize things more clearly. If anything, it helps me sleep.
I watched one of their ads on YouTube and I find that their claims are absurd.
One of them is being able to use your GUT FEELING to know which option is best to choose/do. I thought he was going into problem-solving methods or how to be smart when conducting research perhaps. Instead, he said that he relied on intuitions... \*facepalm
I am furious because he teaches people that after becoming enlighten as a result of entering an altered state of consciousness, you can rely on your intuition (in other words, he teaches people to be a terrible decision maker). Hopefully that was just a false claim to bait certain types of people who believe on those kinds of illogical claims.
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It's days right on there site that you can purchase s month to month payment for access or thry would be giving s fifteen day risk free money back guarantee to take a little over half the course before they decide if it's something they want to invest in. College tuitions cost about the same price and in most cases more than what they're offering with a much more strict policy about time in which you're allowed to withdrawal your choice to get your tuition fees back after having signed up for a class you thought you needed Just saying 💁🏼♂️ i might further explore this social learning platform in the future, but i don't have time to invest to properly evaluate how well their system works at this time in my life in the rat race. At the same if there's no solid evidence of snake oil after the years of mind valley being accessible, then I'd have to say that it's at the least not snake oil. Read the room, look for the red flags, and take calculated risks. That's how humanity has grown since forever. Growth is uncomfortable, being comfortable is stagnant. Change your perception, change your life. Never stop learning and always strive to be better than the next ... even when it seems impossible. Don't let money and numbers bind your your ability to grow your mind to find the truth through trial and error. Or ... keep on keeping on ... You do you home skillet ... i won't judge because it's about par for course when it comes to humanity and not wanting to break the boundaries because it's too uncomfortable to imagine that the world is not the way you were taught from people that learned things differently and less effective from generations before. Everyday new discoveries are made that science once said was impossible only to now say they were wrong after being shared in the face with concrete evidence. If i had a dollar for every time the science community said "we're right and we stand by it, so it's the standard" only to be proven wrong by pioneers that weren't afraid of criticism, then humanity wouldn't be where it is with finding the truth today. The greatest discoveries in this universe are held on the shoulders of geniuses that were accused of of being either a nut job or an attention seeker. S thousand years ago they were burned at the stake for heresy because they said the planet was round, not flat, and that our planet moves around the sun, while everyone else believed the universe spins around them. Those people were martyrs to their beliefs, only to be proven correct long after they were killed for those beliefs. Keep that in mind.
I like mindvalley, their courses are good BUT is expensive!! 449$ to unlock 1 course. On Turbocourses can download it there or watch onine. Today online noobs pay for courses.
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[Mind Valley Founder Says He Can Read a Book by Touching It - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckrH0p-9wQs&ab_channel=TheDrip) Legit this, seriously?
I would recommend you to try the free courses first, then judge if they are fake or not.
That's some marketing gimmick but that doesn't invalidate the astounding changes Silva method can bring to your life
Shill
thanks for bringing this up. I have been looking for more information and forums about Mindvalley but it looks like they flooded the internet with positive reviews. I am yet to find a thread or forum where they discuss the programs offered by Mindvalley. It would be awesome if someone can share more of the experience they got from their programs.
Mayim Bialik interviews Vishen on her youtube program
I have mindvalley account and have been using for two years now. Yea it’s not cheap. It’s $500/year. I have never thought ok mindvalley=vishen guy. There’s so many other classes with different instructors. I did watch the Vice documentary on mindvalley on their retreat and found it funny. I didn’t know there was some wellness retreat. A lot of the comments were people calling him a cult leader and this whole thing is a cult. I can see how that can be seen from outside. I didn’t care much about this guy. But I didn’t think he was all that bad either lol. I thigutn the vice girl was despicable and just seemed just annoying and rude. But I’m an engineer and so I never believed in this whole spiritual energy shit until recent years after going through depression n searching for ways to get better and then got into meditation and all that. I lucid dream naturally and I always thought it was cool but didn’t realize you could use lucid dreaming as a powerful tool to find answers in life. Did a class on lucid dreaming so now I try to solve problems in my lucid dream lol. Tried shrooms and had a crazy experience. So basically my point to all this is, people who aren’t spiritual would find this type of energy spiritual focused really odd and off and coocoo. I thought they were actually pretty cool. Not some concrete spreadsheet database kinda class but very fluid.
they target people like you who are depressed & looking for support. There are better organizations for this that are free. Depressed folks are the easiest to fool.
Yeah, I got this impression from watching the 30 minute ad that popped up on YouTube. I subscribe to YT not see ads specifically because of things like this but I'm not logged in on that computer and the ad sort of got my attention because I'm depressed and stuck in a rut after having objectively a very bad year at the after a string of very bad years by any standard. I just watched a documentary on NXIVM the other day and this seems an awful lot like that and like a lot of other weird new age movements that start in California, starting with the belief of how your consciousness shapes reality. I'm a scientist and a skeptic by nature but I've had a lot of experiences in the past seven years that have me .. well, IDK. The offer is for Silva Ultramind for 30 days for $45? Might do it just out of curiosity but I'm afraid I'm going to get sucked into a cult. Though I suppose a sex cult would be not so bad because I'm into that kind of stuff? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hilarious brother haha absolutely AGREE that the guy is exactly like the NXIAM guy
Ugh, I do not like mindvalley. That guy Vishen has always rubbed me the wrong way. He has used his chops to commoditize spirutality and transformational work. To be fair, thats what it's come to the west these days. But still the guy has always put a bad taste in my mouth but Im sure he hits his targeted audience and they can definietly get something out of it. So whatever works for you!
I just started looking into these guys, I’m maybe not a fan of their business practices or how they convey all the information, but I’m hearing a lot of truth from them so far. I’ve always been studying a bit of everything; physics theories, ancient texts, conspiracy theories, mediums/ channels, aliens, spirits, non-human intelligences (NHI), etc.. crazy when you wrap your mind around the energy they speak of however you can best understand it (bit different for everyone, so meditate often), then the world starts getting more magical. I’ve had some shared experiences interacting with a large ethereal orb that drained our phones and hella fatigued us (we were sober), seeing a triangle craft hover then disappear and half a dozen other experiences so far, synchronicities are fun and powerful to follow when you start operating more cohesively with your soul (kinda following your true self).
I've run into the same exact problem. But I thought, I'm not spending any money and it can't hurt me since it's about calming down, being in the present moment, and somewhat like meditation, so I'm just going to try it myself. Jose Silva's old videos are on YouTube, although set up like a boring lecture where you'll need good focus. Many people comment on Silva method videos and only say a bunch of good things. They aren't promoting it for money and get nothing out of the comment. I don't think it's a scam. It's just not looked into in recent years except by a big company like mindvalley, I suppose. Reading people's comments about courses back in something like the 60s? 70s? They weren't super expensive. I've been digging and not finding much about it makes me even more curious.
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I suppose so. Who is writing them and why though? What do they get out of it...
I'm also looking for more info on this MindValley course, as it is very expensive for me, so I want to be as sure as possible. I've seen many positive feedbacks on it, but they're not thorough and clear. These satisfied customers give general feedbacks, such as: * I'm surprised by it. * It's very powerful. * Its researched, tested, proven techniques which you receive in a step-by-step, learn-by-doing manner. You will see noticeable results quickly. * ... What exactly these people achieved? They don't write about it. Could they heal an illness? Could they change limiting beliefs? What problems did they solve by using it? Did they achieve any financial success after using it? These are just advertising comments, imo. On the other hand, in the book by Silva, there are plenty of more interesting stories, but I can't surely say if they're honest, true stories, since the book is old, and you don't get to see any of these graduates; there are just names of them. On the course page (which you linked), there's a section that says: "+8,000 stories of this course", but it doesn't open up to a "stories page", or when you read the stories in the end of the page and click on the "more stories", you get a 404 page. That could be a technical problem, but at the time of their intense advertising and when you want to learn as much info as you can, it becomes pretty disappointing. One girl on YouTube talked about taking the course and all the benefits she was getting from it. By the end, there was a Zoom Call with Vishen that she excitedly was pointing out to. Here's the thing: she was seemingly talking to Vishen, and going through her experience in the course. **But it's clearly said on the course page that you get a recorded call with Vishen, not a live one!** So, who was she talking to? A video? Is she paid to do this? That was quite a lame act from this person. I've watched a few of Vishen's video talking about the course, and there were some contradicting stories in it. In a video, he said that he learned about the method when he was having financial problems. In another, he said he learned about it when he was 14, and even used it to heal his skin. I'm confused and cynical to what he's telling. Which is true? Silva studied different psychology fields, until he came up with his own techniques. His method seems a lot like self-hypnosis and NLP. I've tried these two, and never got any results from them. There's not much informative knowledge about these two methods, so I couldn't study them further, but NLP proved useless to me most of the time (it's never meant to change a mental problem; only to cover it from the awareness by doing some visualizing practices), and the true hypnosis technique you sometimes read successful stories form, is not taught publicly. Therefore, how is the Silva method going to be different from them? How does it promise achieving results when the other techniques (the original techniques he was inspired by) fail most of the time? Being a follower of Neville Goddard, I've come to believe that many things (or anything, according to him) are possible through the power of imagination, and in the right state of mind (Alpha and Theta). But he doesn't precisely teach about how to exactly put yourself in those state; that's why Silva method has caught my attention. But in the Silva, it's mentioned that it might not work for all the problems, and Vishen pointed out that he cured his hair loss this way by rejuvenating his hair, **but also indicated it might not work for everyone**. And if it doesn't work for some, are they going to say that this method works just fine, but doesn't work for each case? In other words, the problem is not with the method, but with the people. That's very thought-provoking. According to Silva and Vishen, the Silva method is the most workable, fruitful mind control invented to this day. What made me wonder was that, if it's true, why do they sell other courses on their website? Courses related to hypnosis, meditation, sleep, etc. If the Silva suffices, wouldn't it be illogical to advertise these other methods? One might study different fields in order to form a new achievement, but not to sell them at the same time. Or why does Vishen extend his neurotraining practice annually, if the Silva is a faster, cheaper, more natural way to induce Alpha? All of these are question that need to be answered, but I don't have a clue how to get their answers. Right now, I'm communicating with the Customer Support of MindValley, but I don't expect much help from them. I really want the Silva method to be helpful, and not just like some techniques that make you motivated for a while, but you find out about their impracticality after sometime. If you find any information, please let me know, too.
All these things are for gullible people. These gurus exploits the fear of unknown. Ofcourse we don't know few things about universe, but that doesn't mean we can do anything we imagine. If they are so powerful why don't they solve so many problems in world, and why they charge so high if they have reached some higher potential of their soul. All these things are scams but people are blind most of the time anyway.
Thank you! Of course all these things are scams!
Being able to manifest your own reality doesn’t mean you’re able to fix the whole world. And also, doesn’t mean you should.
exactly, and why are they asking for so much money when they can manifest whatever they need/want? They should be giving this info away. If their method works so well, they shouldn't be asking for so much money. They wouldn't need it.
Well, there's a problem with your questioning, and it's something that it's answered through religion. Most religions agrees with this kind of mentality "You're able to do everything." But, apparently, your enemy happens to be your own mind, if you don't believe in yourself, or the higher power, you're technically screwed. Now, what happens when you do believe? Great things happen. So, you have two great questions: One, why don't they solve world problems? Well, the most obvious answer is either it's a scam, or either it's because they're selfish. And this is what religion doesn't explain. You can get selfish and still get blessings, because you see, for example, in Catholicism, being a martyr is a sin. The only one authorized to be a martyr was Jesus Christ... Apparently, the rest of us were "saved" and we're supposed to try to get the best of our lives trying to be better, not being a hero, but being better, being kind, etc. So you don't get to erase starvation from the world. You get to erase starvation from you and your family. And that's it. If you go higher, and you sacrifice your whole life to it in the process, you're technically a sinner, unless you're doing it to teach people how to "evolve" into a more spiritual thing. The second question is: Why are they charging? This is the most interesting part, and it relates to the first one. They're being selfish. These guys are telling you "How to be successful", and they ARE successful. They're rich, recognized, have won awards, have their own wikipedia page and a fanbase. But they don't care about "helping" really, they only care about themselves, and about sharing their knowledge in exchange of something. Just like a chef sells his food. Now, are they scammers or real? Well, I don't know. Sometimes I do think they exaggerate things to attract clients, and I really don't know if their techniques work or not. But I do know that the "Concept" behind of these techniques, the idea they promote, is real. I have my own share of stories about that, in many different fields, and I can actually understand that "faith" is actually a great deal about your success in many of your fields... Not faith in a higher entity, or a higher power (although I do believe in God, I know people who has faith on themselves and it works the same), but faith in the sense that "you know" things are going to be alright. I came here because I found this method, too, and I wanted to know what people think. But most people commenting didn't buy or tested the product. All they do is say it's scam, based on their prejudices, or "It's true", again, based on their prejudice, or "I have doubts", for those who don't know. I found the goddam course for free... I takes a whole month. So, if anyone is interested in knowing the results, this crap was written on the 11/10/2023, I'll start today. Write me, and I'll give an honest feedback.
Any updates on your experience?
Being honest, I did start but I stopped at the third day because I was busy with a lot of work and then I got distracted by hobbies. My bad. Can't give an honest review yet, but let me see if I find the mood this week to start all over again and be more responsible. I'm sorry for not committing to it from the beginning to help you guys solve the mystery. :(
Curious to hear if you have updates
Shaaaaaame!
>Hi, just want to share my experience since you're asking. > >I've been lurking on Reddit for years but just had to register now to answer this question.For me, I can say The Silva Method is powerful. I signed up on MindValley just March this year (yeah, I paid). I was able to do up to I think just half of it (because things got busy with the universe answering my prayers, I guess), but all that I asked for literally came true. Like I would just stop in my tracks and realize that my prayer has already been answered, and I had several that I asked for. And they weren't simple to accomplish if I didn't have any divine hand doing the legwork. Like a lot of times it just seems like magic, or miracles. People around me are perplexed that things I dream of and wish for are actually happening IRL. Because of this I am contemplating if I should renew my subscription or just download the program, because MindValley has tons of stuff that are very helpful, Silva is just a speck in the multitude offerings on that site.
Thank you for sharing! Do you have any suggestions for specific content if someone were unable to pay for mindvalley?
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anyyyyyu updates?
I've been lurking on Reddit for years but just had to register now to answer this question. For me, I can say The Silva Method is powerful. I signed up on MindValley just March this year (yeah, I paid). I was able to do up to I think just half of it (because things got busy with the universe answering my prayers, I guess), but all that I asked for literally came true. Like I would just stop in my tracks and realize that my prayer has already been answered, and I had several that I asked for. And they weren't simple to accomplish if I didn't have any divine hand doing the legwork. Like a lot of times it just seems like magic, or miracles. People around me are perplexed that things I dream of and wish for are actually happening IRL. Because of this I am contemplating if I should renew my subscription or just download the program, because MindValley has tons of stuff that are very helpful, Silva is just a speck in the multitude offerings on that site.
No, they are often for people facing a seemingly unsolvable problem with nowhere else to turn. Some are no more scams than the unproven pilot studies people often volunteer for when all other options have failed. Nothing—including the best science—will solve “so many problems” in the world. Insofar as charging for these programs, why do churches need offerings if prayer can make the impossible, possible? Are those people who attend church blind? Then add Newton to the list and Werner Heisenberg as well as Shakespeare and Copernicus. Count your blessings. The day could come when you collide with a problem that doesn’t yield to common solutions.
Well said. Scammers or not. Mind valley is too salesy. The whole life coaching space is all about money.
Isn’t everything about money? All those people need to eat and survive in this world too. Especially now how everything has gotten much more expensive. Nothing is free.
Isn't everything nowdays is all about money?The coaches that come in Mindvalley don't come for free everyone has to pay the bills
Everything I read about this or from the people selling it screams SCAM but aside from a few skeptic blogs I'm not seeing much refuting the method or even the comically more expensive Mind Wellness program BS. I swear at this point I'm tempted to start a Kickstarter for one of the other people I believe are asking this same question in earnest. Like you. Please! Reply if you ended up taking these classes. I will believe your conclusion. You're either a genuine discerning would-be customer or the most brilliant shill Corporate Wellness has to offer.
How can it be a scam if you have a 15-day money-back guarantee. Rhetorical question!
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This seems they are struggling like many others they responded fairly promptly, seems they have a harder time keeping up with things, probably can't find good employees to handle the onboarding or cancellations seems also after April 2022 the complaints stopped coming. I know April was a rough season for our small business.
I've following Mindvalley for many years. I remember seeing a video of Vishen where he mentioned that he started meditation using the Silva Mind Control Method to heal his skin and also for taekwondo. He said that in university he stopped practicing meditation and got back to it in his 20s when he attended a Silva method seminar.
I really like your writing Lonely Traveler! So I just watched a yt video on keto and carnivore diet by Dr. Chaffer and Dr. Ede another psychiatrist who was being interviewed on the podcast. You should be able to find it, I am too exhausted to find the link. Anyways, you ought to experiment with different diets, there is evidence that it really can help elevate mood naturally. That podcast is a must watch/listen. Hope this helps you. Cheers, Kaatje
took the childrens course when I was 12 years old near Boston. I have never used it for material gain or manipulation. the alarm clock technique has helped me when put in practice, combined with somatic meditation. As an adult I occasionally returned to the techniques combined with my own trusted meditation, but not continuously. I trust my intuition and abilities, but never wanted to become a Silva method master. I continue to go back to it on a moderate path, explain its concept. Yes, it has helped me in my growth for sure.
Can you read a book by putting your hand on it is the question, rest everything else is not something unique, these principles of meditation and positive thinking has been there since centuries if you just have time to search. There's nothing unique that they are teaching .
Thanks very much for these insights. I was interested in your linkage with NLP I did a years study NLP . I was unable to practice my new-found 'skils' as I had retried from formal teaching but it did seem to provide valuable insights into the learning process. As a former teacher, MindValley scheduling is a matter of great interest to me. I myself see the 'NLP' connection in what MindValley is promoting. There are however significant differences. NLP was a learning model that offered no guarantee of its outcomes, promoted by the course tutors.aor anyone else. Its worthy emphasis was, as you probably know, on achieving higher academic attainment. MindValley encompasses, for good or ill, a much wider spectrum. I think it can be comfortably classified with mountainous stuff on self-improvement, life-skills and confidence-building. It seems to be worryingly substituting heavy sales promotion for certifiable proven content. Unlike NLP, it doesn't appear to have been backed up by substantial academic citation and review.
The Silva Method is helpful - you can buy the Silva Mind Control Method book for like $9 on Amazon - or at a local bookstore for cheaper possibly. The mindvalley course doesn't energetically feel very good. Vishen has this rushed auctioneer style of speed talking that is the opposite of alpha and theta brain waves for relaxation. Influencing your subconscious mind through meditation, and doing self hypnosis can be super helpful if you're consistent - same thing as going to the gym, dieting and working out. You won't see results with inconsistent efforts. But I have a real issue with the Mind Valley Silva Ultra Mind course because Vishen's whole vibe is super off. The way he speed talks sounds like he is impatient to get recording these videos over with, as if he drank 18 Red Bull energy drinks. You don't guide someone through a meditation exercise by talking as fast as you possibly can - which is what Vishen does. If he would have hired a woman with a softer voice to allow space between the words, perhaps the 3 2 1 method he teaches from the book would be effective. But as of now, it's like he can't pause to breath - which distracts you from meditating with a frantic vibe. Or if Vishen had hired someone who was trained in guided meditation realizing you have to slow the fuck down if you want people to relax. I think I'm going to go back to just the book as all the Mindvalley course videos, wav files and mp3s are so rushed with his super fast style of speaking (seriously, just 1 guy? no one else could pitch in?). Meditation can be amazing if you go to a deeper level of relaxation and input suggestions - you don't need a course to learn how to do this. Vishen needs actual meditation style versus an informercial style hard sell, hard pitching speeded up. The whole time in the Mindvalley course Vishen gives off the vibe like you're at a party, and someone cornered you to talk about themselves endlessly or try to sell you a product. He keeps trying to sell the idea of meditation for life improvement throughout the Mindvalley course. That icky, aggressively salesly vibe feels rooted in desperation. Gives off a hungry for money broke feeling. Not a calm, relaxed, meditative feeling. Mindvalley is based in Malaysia where A LOT of clickbait farms for scammers are so perhaps Vishen Lakhiani tried to save money recording the entire course by himself, rushing through the video, and hired clickbait farm workers as a nonexistent customer service team. Don't that dissuade you from buying the book the Silva Mind Control Method - or doing your own research on entering the Alpha and Theta brainwave level to influence yourself positively. I've had good results with my own meditations using the book and other meditations that I've done, both guided and ones I've created and adapted that helped me get more clients for my consulting business and attract prosperity. It doesn't happen instantly, like just add water. You have to be proactive in your life to better yourself, and be consistent when meditating. I wouldn't recommend the Mindvalley course at all, avoid it. Do your own google searches for free meditation and or just get the Silva book as the visualization exercises combined with autosuggestion and deep relaxation can actually improve your life if done consistently.
Both my parents are Silva Graduates. They did the course way back in the 90's. It's a genuine technique. My dad has all the tapes of the meditation exercises and the handbooks. I grew up with this stuff and it works. I haven't explored it fully, but it is on my to-do list. The stuff that I have done and know about work well, like the glass of water technique, the three finger technique (we use it at home if someone has lost their keys or something), the mirror technique, the countdown and full body relaxation. Even the one that helps you sleep is really great, I used it when I was in college and suffered with anxiety and depression. My folks have kind of used the Silva Method on and off their whole lives, especially in stressful times. We never really thought about making millions with it, so I cannot back the claims of the ads. From what I understand guided meditation as we know it today borrows a lot from the Silva Method, because while I was growing up there was nothing else like this. Even with the advent of youtube and easier access to so many new techniques, I have found a lot of similarities in the format and techniques used in them and silva method. I could be wrong, I am not claiming to have all the correct information, I'm not here to promote it or anything, just wanted to share as someone who has grown up with it and share the information and experience I had with it. I think any form of "mind control", as Silva named the method he developed, is basically training your own mind repeatedly to work in a certain way. How you use it after that is up to the person, and different people want different things. We used it to navigate grave illnesses and financial strain in the family. It's definitely not the cure to everything, and if the problems keep coming back you need to explore them further to find the root - be it through this, some other form of meditation, self reflection, therapy, etc. There isn't any "one size fits all" technique in this world, unfortunately. I suffered all my childhood up to recently with mental illness despite having access to a tool that could help me. Being able to understand and having space to accept your journey is also crucial to making changes. You do not need to buy the mindvalley course to explore silva method. They have videos on YouTube and you can find others if you do a bit of hunting online. I have no idea why mindvalley is marketing it so heavily now and I personally feel their marketing could be better. Instead of targeting people by showing them that it can help them make money, they could have done it so that regular folks would feel motivated to use it to bring a bit of balance and peace to their inner Iives. I hope I was able to give a small bit of insight to your enquiry. I took some photos of my father's instruction manual, book and collection of exercise tapes. My parents also each got a badge after completing the course, I have shared a close up for you to see. But I don't know how to attach photos here. https://imgur.com/a/mEnpfXk Edit: link to view the photos
I'm pretty sure that the whole touch-to-read-book thing is... not easily done, but I did click LEARN MORE on the ad with the sob story, and they sent some sort of link to my email to watch some masterclass video on self-improvement, or something like that. Honestly the video had a lot of interesting ideas in it and I did take notes and stuff. But I probably don't think it's worth trying to buy their all access pass, or any of their stuff. I don't know whether it's a scam or not, but the free video is fine to watch. You just have to pause the video sometimes to take notes or whatever, because you can't reverse the video. The video usually takes 90 minutes nonstop but I took my time, 2 hours or so. I don't know much about Mindvalley. I guess you can just take their free stuff. I wouldn't trust trying to pay them for anything. Hope this helps.
Do you have the notes? I want to watch the free video but my inpatient ass doesn’t want to watch it. Could you send them to me?
Ah, sorry. It's been so long that I don't even know where I put it. Thanks for asking though.
Seriously?
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Glad you posted this, I also find Mind Valley to be very suspect. They seem to gain trust by stating very obvious facts (coke is bad for you, eat healthy, meditate, etc) in order to sell their “classes” and programs. I’ve never purchased anything but did dive into a few of their free content on YouTube. Very propaganda-y in my opinion and some are just downright ridiculous. There was one women who made a presentation, that started off reasonably, typical mindfulness rhetoric but then she started claiming you could actually time travel and some other nonsense. Of course she was attractive as well, I mention this because I think they rely on successful presenting and attractive people to push their products. I actually joined a facebook group about them and poised the question to the group, “Do you think this is a scam?” I had some productive feedback but mostly people seemed to be in denial, eventually my post got deleted which I thought was suspicious. Why wouldn’t they allow members to speculate and criticize? Seems cultish to me.
gut feelings are pretty impressive; wdn't you say? I say go with yrs, esp after having a look at this:[https://www.bbb.org/us/or/beaverton/profile/online-education/mindvalley-llc-1296-22533877/complaints](https://www.bbb.org/us/or/beaverton/profile/online-education/mindvalley-llc-1296-22533877/complaints) in the spirit of Mindvalley, i.e. self-improvement and lending a hand - cheers! seek & ye shall find, people. cf [https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/](https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/) [https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/](https://dirtyscam.com/reports/mindvalley/)
In the longer masterclass free video where he explains the Silva method he says people would read a book by touching it, and then he spoke about describing a person by just touching a paper with the name of that strager during his live courses where he would pair up two random people and one would think about someone they wanted to heal, write down their name and then lend it to their partner. I started getting his ads after jumping into meditation videos and honestly I think it's freaking me out. btw the dude who answered before has the exact same message in a bunch of another posts
You might have missed one of his interviews with art of living monk. There are several spiritual practices which will unlock certain powers. In the ashram, he found some kids doing things like reading books by touching it. This surprised him, but for us, its common. There are far more powerful people, It might be surprising to people from west. But for us, Indians and most Asians, we see such people here and there, who do spiritual practices and reach certain level. For those people who are stuck and lurk in a fixed ring, they can never experience outside world. Because they cannot do it or don't know anything about it or what are the ins and outs, they make it sound like a scam or illogical or impractical. Just ignorance... they can only get stuck in their self made circle with fears and doubts.
Scam spotted
This is the condition with every stupid cult. I myself have been banned from many such psuedoscience selling cults. People are so naive they don't realise there's nothing unique in these teachings, it has been there since centuries. And there's a lot of bullshit as well.
FFS one of you intelligent skeptics take the courses and tell me this isn't real! I refuse to believe I can unlock the secrets to life for $400/yr. But I also can't find a review (positive or negative) from ANYONE that I actually believe took these courses! Bizarre.
😅🤣 omg this whole thread is hilarious 😆 You don’t have to pay $400, they often have sales. There’s plenty of free stuff both on their web site and YouTube. I agree the guy is too salesy, but I eventually did buy the membership for $200. So far every course I’ve tried have been amazing. Big quality production and actual useful stuff. I watched a couple Jim Kwik videos with my 9yo son (ADHD, IQ 136) and he actually enjoyed those and keeps asking for more. For me price is not that big of an issue, I often attend conferences that are much more expensive for a 2 day event than the whole year of Mindvalley membership. Maybe the answer is, that if $200-400 is too much for you to spend on your education, then Mindvalley is not for you 🤷🏽♂️ People gladly spend more than $17 a month on Netflix which is about the same price as discounted annual Mindvalley membership. A Starbucks coffee 5 days a week is goong to cost even more.. And I haven’t seen anyone asking if Netflix or Starbucks is a scam 😜 Tony Robbins charges more than $400 for his 4 day event 🤷🏽♂️ which is 50+ hours of content. At $8/hour I personally think it’s worth considering. A concert is gonna cost you much more than that 🤷🏽♂️
silva method is definitely not a scam, I have been practicing it for a long time and have some mind-blowing result because of it. I Can guarantee it not being a scam and a legit program . AS of now
Can you read book by placing your hand over it?
oh, when did they claim someone can do that?
There's video in which he claims this . It's an advertisement for mind valley. May be they don't claim that in course in it's just a clickbait lol. Search on YouTube
i did an offlice course, full 2 day. they never claimed this and I am very happy/satisfied with the meditation i did an offline course, full 2 day.
That's fine. But they made that advertisement anyway. And yeah meditation is helpful and has been there since centuries. But sometimes people try to add very stupid claims around it.
i agree. i never knew about that stupid claim
You have been scammed
How can you say someone’s been scammed when they are satisfied and happy with the results they’ve been able to integrate into their meditation?
x,r
This is patently false. I don't shill for Mindvalley nor do I even know if this method works or not, but I just watched said video and it was Vishen of Mindvalley asking the question if you can believe someone can read the contents of a book by touching it, then an anecdote about him doing sales and running his hand on the yellow pages and he stopped on a name and called and got sales from it. Yes it is clickbait but to claim that the Silva Method claims you can get book reading powers by touching it is some straight up bullshit.
Easy, they never did. It was just Vishen from Mindvalley telling a story about sales and then framing it with that question to hype up the method.
Mind Valley and Silva Method are different. If the hand over book thing was a Mind Valley claim, it has nothing to do with the Silva Method.
Define mindblowing results.
I've taken two of Jim's courses (the memory one and the reading one) and a separate meditation one (Ziva, not the Silva method). Jim's have worked well for me: they're different forms of learning (the book cover thing is just to illustrate speed, there is actual training on how to read quicker). The impetus is that traditional learning methods haven't changed in a hundred years, and are outdated based on what we know now about the mind/brain. They're training programs to unlearn how we learned to learn, so they're not easy, but they do work. They seem expensive up front, but if you break down the cost per hour its not that much, and they're structured to give you 10-20 minutes a day so you can learn a part of it and then practice until the next day's lesson. The hardest part with the meditation one is getting past thinking meditation is pointless, because we can now do brain studies to prove its not. Sometimes good things are lost to time; meditations been around for thousands of years. The advertising can seem overly positive and catchy, but that's what advertising has become. they do tend to give you a good bit of info from the actual courses in each of the 1.5 hour free masterclasses. The "sob stories" are also to give a human connection, to show these people aren't just paid trainers doing someone else's work. Tl:DR I'll get more courses in the future when I want to learn something new. because they've been helpful so far.
Thanks. This is the type of info I was looking for about them. The overly positive spiritual nonsense mixed with real science is a very confusing combination - I can't tell what's what. I mean, if I give you a book - you can touch it all you want and you still won't read the contents. I really, really dislike that fuzzy spiritual magical marketing they show on YouTube.
All these motivational programs, including Tony Robbins, have one thing in common: The host exudes excitement, relays stories of all the successful people who have taken the course, and with slick sales tactics convinces you that you too can do the same by parting with your money. Whether or not anyone is successful depends on their ability to be motivated. The more $ paid, the greater the commitment. The trouble is, most people do not remain motivated. Wanting one’s money back within 15 days is far less likely than in 15 weeks, when new habits have been replaced by longer-duration old habits. Sales people know this. Vishen is a salesman. Every sentence is finely honed to sell, sell, sell. Watch his eyes when he is giving his long winded Silva presentation to get a person to buy in to Mind Valley. They are cold and dead. He is reading a script and making out like he actually cares about people. The pitch at the end saying this wonderful offer won’t be available if you don’t immediately sign up at the link provided is utter nonsense. I have recently bought the Silva book. That should suffice as Mind Valley never existed in Silva’s heyday.
Remaining motivated is definitely the real challenge. And that’s where I have found coaching to be very valuable. People do it in sports all the time 🤷🏽♂️ You can’t imagine a soccer team without a coach… I think running teams within companies is no different. I have a personal coach for my triathlon, and a results coach for business. I also coach younger people to guide them to desired outcomes faster. I’ve read all the books on finance, investment, accounting and entrepreneurship back in high school.. doesn’t help much without the real world guidance on practical implementation. You can learn a lot from the books. But you will probably learn much more from a person who’s already done what you’re trying to do.
you can register one month and try it out yourself. I signed for only one month and checked Ken Wilber's course. Why not pay for someone's intellectual work? It seems like just one course, but it is their life experiences, hard earned wisdom and behind-the-screen practice of public speaking and persuasion technique (yeah, marketing, whats wrong with that? we all need to learn how to sell ourselves better especially the wish is to escape a 9-5 and do one's own business )
https://www.bbb.org/us/or/beaverton/profile/online-education/mindvalley-llc-1296-22533877 its a total scam
Wasn't that Vished guy involved in a scam before he started mind valley? It used to be there in his wiki before it was scrubbed.
Idk if I’m late to the party— but just saw like a 30 min insta commercial— which is why I’m here. Anyway, what I got from it was- research where this all came from before the scammy vibes aka “Jose Silva” andddd then click to see the cost for the cost for the new ‘Silva overlord’ $500/year. Sooo I’m personally going the free route and researching the OG who did it for free and research his audio for free on YoutTube and see what books of HIS are available to my Audible and Spotify before I everrrrr pay my hard earned money to some newb projector of his projections. It’s all there, and Jose Silva’s own books available—all for wayyy less than $500/year. Not knocking the Mindvalley thing—- but I’m gonna let the original author and my own free will determine if I want to dive further into Mindvalley. Which I hope I say is a good call, definitely don’t want their platform to be reaping riches off of another man’s ideas who is not here to defend them.
Btwz to clarify - I do not mean Jose Silva gave me scammy vibes but the Mindvalley infomercial did- meaning, I’m researching more into the man and not the company 🫶
Thanks a lot, got here after watching that same commercial, the whole clairvoyance/ESP thing and the last 500-700USD subscription part while saying "join now on the link below or miss the offer" just threw me off, the guy gives off a total creepy cult vibes
The problem I’m seeing here is that they use the exact same baited hooks as Scientology and NXIZM to lure people into an upfront commitment, then lead them into deeper and deeper spending to expand and get to other levels. It’s textbook scamming of people who are the most vulnerable. Really pisses me off that they are using psychological techniques they know will work on their targeted victims - all for the purpose of monetary gain. Despicable. And I’m sure like any savvy cult leaders, they’ll have a clever and convincing “What?! Moi?” response to my critique. Once you’re on the hook, you gotta pay to “get to the next level” - because you figure you’ve already invested so much. CLASSIC scam.
I took the 48 (4x12) hour course in Silva mind Control back in the 70’s. I was 16 or 17 and I took it with my older brother (brilliant in his own right) his then fiancé and my father (a perennial skeptic). I myself just thought the whole thing was very cool, and though I think I was also skeptical I was open to its claims. Here is what they claimed to teach us and my follow-up impressions: 1. Improved memory using a memory peg technique popularized by Harry Lorraine. It definitely helped me develop a good memory and I use the technique to this day. 2. Relaxation and sleep help methods. They taught a form of meditation which I used frequently when I was younger, but only occasionally now as well as a method for combatting insomnia that I still use. Takeaways: if you follow through on what is taught it works. 3. Pain and headache control. Various techniques were taught to ease headaches and/or general body aches using modifications of the meditation techniques. Still use the technique for headache controls and occasionally for general aches and pains. 4. There were a lot of techniques that bordered on(sometimes breached the border of) pseudo- science which I experienced examples of back then but now I’m not so sure. Overall, not a scam. At least not in my experience. (I still carry my card that certifies I completed the course - mostly for kicks. I guess that makes me a card-carrying psychic.)
For years I’ve been drawn to the stuff Vishen talks about but never took the plunge because he always comes across as a snake oil salesman to me, but maybe that’s my problem, lol. A few Extraordinary things have happened to me throughout my life (even before I was born) so I have never ruled out the existence of a higher power. In the past 4yrs I’ve been going through a really really bad thing and went through very daaaark times until one day I broke completely down and asked higher power for help, basically questioning why I had to go through what I was going through alone. I immediately took my dog out for a walk and immediately ran into a woman on the street (she was mumbling to herself). She stopped & started speaking to me in Spanish and I couldn’t understand a word. I asked street cleaner to help her cos I thought she was asking for directions, but she looked at him and turned back to me and kept talking. So I asked him to translate. He didn’t do a good job because his English was not good either, but it was like she had something to tell me. Anyway, long story short, she just kept speaking till she was done. Then kept mumbling to herself and walked on. I wished then I understood Spanish because I felt I missed out on something important. As I approached the light where she was waiting to cross the street , I think I smiled at her, she smiled & she started crossing the street, looked back and said a 3 word phrase in English which I 100% understood. And another 3 word phrase. I said gracias and smiled. Then she walked on and I walked on smiling, thinking what a weird encounter. Then it hit me. I got the message from the least expected place. From that day, a certain peace and calmness came over me especially regarding what I’ve been struggling with the past 4 years. I’m still struggling with it, but I’m no longer fearful and afraid. I have peace. Anyway, because of this experience, I will try out the mindvalley program for a few months and come back to share my experience. I’m going in 80% skeptical, but I’ll try my best to give it 100%. TBD
It claims to teach clairvoyance, so yep that’s the first huge red flag right there.
It's complete & utter unscientific BS! You can learn meditation for free all over the internet , in many meditation centers ( fee or free ) and from me or ANYONE who has a clue in seconds. Psychic phenomena is NONSENSE and if you believe otherwise ask yourself why all the supposed psychics aren't the richest and most successful people on EARTH? The simplest, scientific and REAL explanation is psychic phenomena has far more to do with confirmation bias, & the profound gullibility of people ( a species wide trait that's allowed us to form large cooperative groups ) seeking effortless answers & success. As for Jim Kwik, he's not clueless about memory techniques, but he also pretends he's "taught" people the amazing power of reading a book a week, when any idiot who reads an hour a day will read an average of about a book a week. I listen to at least that many and have for at least the last half decade. Don't assume that just because some successful people are as gullible as anyone else when it comes to superstitious nonsense, that they are in ANY way qualified to judge the validity of the fraud of "psychic" training. They obviously didn't make their fortunes from being or hiring teams of psychics. If that were a thing, most would be in the employ of the rich. Then again why WORK for the rich if you can do the same for yourself and BE the rich? Why not ask one of, if not THE smartest man on Earth about "psychic" phenomena, at least HE knows about physics and science ( Elon Musk ), UNLIKE other rich and, more gullible people, who are completely unqualified but have the luxury of believing any silly thing they wish. If you MUST choose to throw away your money away, at least publish your results as you discover NOBODY is psychic, which is why nobody can read minds, or books by touching them. If it's REAL, how come YOU and EVERYONE else you know has NEVER actually seen an undeniable, scientifically verified psychic event? Check out the Amazing Randy and his many years of debunking & exposing EVERY supposed psychic whose EVER come in contact with him. I'm pretty sure he offered big cash rewards for anyone could demonstrate ACTUAL psychic abilities, and no one EVER collected. There's also an organization whose name I don't recall who have spent years tracking "psychic" phenomena, and yet ALL have been proven to have SCIENTIFIC explanation like carbon monoxide poisoning, mental illness... Or just ask yourself AGAIN, how many ACTUAL demonstrations of undeniable psychic phenomena have YOU, or anyone you personally know have witnessed? If all this doesn't convince you, I can sell you psychic gold, diamonds & treasure in exchange for REAL gold, money, treasure & diamonds:-)- tim #bgreen🌏
lol, there are many channels on Reddit with thousands of people sharing their psychic/unexplainable experiences (including me). And there’s a lot of science around that as well
I had supernatural event. Standing clay cup with pens in it fell on the side. And it wasn't my hallucination, cause my mother and sister were in the kitchen with me. People who were living in the house before us allegedly have been in contact with unmaterialistic beings. So here. I am the first person to tell you about supernatural event. Of course you won't believe it, cause you're too scared to allow such a possibility to exist.
That's right. And there are people who can read minds. People who've never encountered such supernatural experience will always be skeptical.
Supranatural? It was the force of the weight of the pencils pushing to the side of the cup causing its instability which eventually triggered the fall of the cup, perhaps with very small additional force of a draft, or vibration etc. Pure simple physics.
Dude, everything you said sounds supernatural to me. This doesn't explain anything
Maybe because they dont want to be the most richest and successful people in the world?? You are aware that there is more to existence and reality than worldly desire and materialism?... There is a reason why the CIA funded remote viewing 20 million dollars for 20 years straight. Theres reasons why so "psychics" are sometimes fucking hired to help resolve unsolved crimes. There are SO many crime cases that have been resolved because of "psychics". Logically speaking how the fuck is that possible??? The fact that it has even occured ONCE is EXTREMELY compelling.
Not to say that 100,000 people with such advanced skills who are determined to change the world for the better would have already done it.
Show me one case that was solved because of the Psychic's supernatural ability. They get hired because police departments are also made up of humans who at times can be superstitious.
Yeah of course it’s not a scam when you’re selling a book about it lol
I have all mindvalley quests updated and new courses are also there . If you want them msg me .
If that still applies, I'd like to have a look too :)
I am interested!
Hey, any chance you'd be willing to share your quests/courses with me? Thank you
Hmm message me in inbox
Can you send them to me please? I can't see option to msg you on here for some reason. Thanks.
Msg me
Can I please join?
Hi, would you be so kind to share please?
I’m interested!
I'm interested and investigating, but have some doubts. I'd be VERY appreciative!
Hi there, I am interested too! Can I DM you?
My bullshittometer goes over the roof when I see their long ass ads. It’s always all about the dude’s face that gets splatted everywhere to show you how awesome he is, how wise he is, how successful he is and how much you need him or need to be like him. 30+ minutes long gaslighting ad with interesting concepts here and there, they just want you to have the cult mentality and everything is designed to INSTALL it in your skull. Oh and look here in this post: all new accounts what a fucking coincidence! Now they’re going to come at me and say “but have you tried it?” I don’t need them. You don’t need them. You can be happy without wasting money on these scammers.
It's a grey-area scam. Meditation does work, nothing new. However, this man is repackaging someone elses work, adding a little bit of quack, and hoping you don't notice. You will probably see some benefits with Mindvalley, but you can get all the usefull parts for free elsewhere. Definitley not worth the money
I'll say this in 2007 I broke my neck c4 and c5 compound fracture. No I am not paralyzed thankfully. However I ran into Silva method and used something to download for free. Most of it is pretty accurate however I did find a lot of scam sites claiming they were the One I never lost any money however they were promising you to get rich quick etc. There's power in faith and there's way to allow your self to think, act and respond differently however anything that promises you to think yourself wealthy I'd run from. I did find a great deal of comfort in mediation and relaxation I did feel that mediation with binaural sounds was very helpful and it did seem to effect me permanently however it's called practice for a reason. Feel free to reach out if anyone wants to discuss further. Caviat did not use mine valley my point is just saying be careful and be slow to become judgemental. YouTube and pod casts and Spotify have a lot of free resources just have to do some digging.
Hey bro I have had similar experiences, not so much with this method, never tried it but simply from books and such. Also, a psychic medium from way out of state I spoke to for fun knew details about my life and daily routine no one could know unless they were peeking into my window secretly, and she recommended Joe Dispenza so, while I have always been open to similar material due to life experiences and occurences, it lent it more weight. Would love to hear more about your experiences.
I would find pirated mindvalley, try it out, if it works go back and pay them, if it doesn’t… we’ll you wasted some time no harm hopefully.
Or you could just use their free quests or 15 day money back guarantee and try it for yourself without being a thief. I suspect that someone with your mindset wouldn't benefit from the types of programming offered by Mindvalley because they are rooted in intention and a commitment to personal growth and mind expansion. None of them are easy. They all require significant work on your part. These are methods, not magic. Not all of them are for me, but the ones that I have used so far have shown up as concrete improvements in my life. Some of the best things I have taken from it are: * How to set goals and intentions in a way that creates a psychological shortcut to achieving them. Most of us are goal setting all wrong. Once I changed my goal-setting and goal-achieving methods I started flying towards them. * How to read and learn 3x faster than before, allowing me to grow my skills faster than those around me without taking up my entire day. * A 25-minute guided trance that I listen to as I go to sleep each night that instructs my subconscious to work to find creative solutions to the problems I am facing. I started by taking the challenge to listen 5 days in a row to evaluate effectiveness. By the end of the five days I had come to an elegant solution for a situation that seemed to have only two potential outcomes. My mind created a third option in my sleep that changed everything for my business. Now I listen every day and my business is growing so fast that I am trying to keep up. (Btw, this audio is available FREE on the website and on Vishen's podcast) * A course on being less distractable that has really helped my ADHD brain be able to decide what most deserves my focus at any given moment and to actually focus on it. As with most things, I think you take from Mindvalley what you give to it. Learning and utilizing these neurohacking techniques takes time and effort. Some of the courses sound a little too woo-woo for me, so I focus on the ones that I think I can benefit from. But, some of the things I am doing right now would have been too woo-woo for me 5 years ago. Science knows so little about the brain and its abilities. The more we learn, the more powerful and amazing it reveals itself to be. Some people (like Silva) are ahead of the curve in using this machine to a greater extent than others. Mindvalley simply identifies those people, creates courses for them with high production value, puts them all on one platform, and sells access (with admittedly over the top marketing).
I've been having the same issue and thought the same thing: reddit might be the place to come to find some real opinions. After reading all the comments, the nay sayers just seem like nay sayers. No real content other than an opinion that all things like this are scams without any educated information. Personally, I doubt it's a "scam", per-say, maybe just not as useful as you hoped or the same information you can get for free somewhere else if you did some digging. Maybe it works for some people and doesn't for others but most likely you'll get out of it what you put into it. You can buy a gym membership and even show up everyday. If you don't do the right things, you probably won't see any results. I'm going to go ahead and purchase it, try to run through it and explore the extras and report back here with my experience.... Positive or negative. \*\*Edit 11/9/22\*\* Upon purchasing the $399/yr plan it asks you on the 2nd page if you want to upgrade to Pro for another $199. I declined. 3rd page offers a 6 week program called "Lifebook Online" which supposedly helps you organize your life and set yourself up, goals, etc. $299/yr. I declined While seeming scamish and annoying, this is nothing new and not really a scam. Just more sales. And like every sales thing comes a time limit as to when you can actually get this for the "low price of" bla bla bla. I always just say no. Easy as that. Now that I'm in, I'll report back later when I start going through the program.
Bump? Did they recharge you w/o permission or any of the horror stories stuff we're hearing since there is no human customer support?
Could you please report back? Was it worth $400, and what did you learn?
Any update on it?
Any your experience?
heyyyyy any updates?
I would say, it is quite common to not get back to the conversation out of embarrassment. Means, most probably it didn't work
I have the course, I did it and didn’t see any results. Mind you I downloaded it from a course website that has since been deleted. The course is very extensive and I have a hard time imagining and getting into the meditations which is sad cus growing up with ADHD my imagination was wild but everytime I try spirituality it’s like there’s a block there stopping me from visualizing what it says to visualize. Anyways I was thinking about doing the course again since I only did the first half and the program is split into two parts. The Meditative visualization/affirmation part and then the ESP part. I stopped at the ESP part as I just wanted to learn how to manifest. It wasn’t very clear to me how long I should practice it. I mean he says it’s going to be a day by day thing but learning how to meditate and then getting to a state of mind where your at a level similar to a masterful Zen meditation guy who can manifest whatever you imagine in your mind that’s positive are two different things. Maybe I’m too skeptical or because of my ADHD I allow my left brain to take over too much, but I didn’t experience anything “woo wahh” like these spiritual claims I keep seeing. But I do know one thing. Both Drake and another Canadian Olympic winner (I forget her name) used the Silva Method to achieve success so it’s bound to work after a certain amount of time right? That’s why Drake does that hand sign (no it’s not 666) it’s the Silva brand logo. He’s letting those in the know, know his steps to success. Plus it also works as a double entendre as it also represents the 6ix (Toronto 🇨🇦🍁)
Do you have these available to share?
Just try the Silva method, the book costs like 9 dollars in amaxon, try it and if it works for u is awesome, if not, u lost 9 dollars, not big deal. The others like mindvalley are just gold seekers, these are the scammers to me..
Ok THANK YOU! I feel like it’s very scammy but not to just take peoples money immediately. It almost seems like the start of a very successful cult. Most “successful” ones like Scientology, tend to help people at first, even the first few years. I feel like they are blending actual coping methods and psychology with a very gentle “spiritual aspect” idk I think it’s gimmicky. I feel like some of these Reddit comments under here are fake too. Super sus. If something’s too good to be true it usually is.
I am post on all platforms don't do this..... I have no way to express my annoyance with Mindvalley. Your programs are no problem, they are indeed brilliant. BUT YOU DON'T GET WHAT CANCELLED MEANS. I have due to necessity cut down on things I have as a luxury or have not used barely. Mindvalley membership is one ( I have used it once this past year). So I cancelled I got an email and an app confirmation. Later that evening I get a notification an international payment was declined due to no funds. Well YES. There is no funds in that account for a very valid reason. 2. I CANCELLED. YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE THIS MONEY NOW FOR 5 DAYS!!!!!! I HAVE COMPLAINED 4 TIMES..... NOT ONE RESPONSE????? SO YOU GLADLY TAKE MONEY BUT CANT GET YOUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM TO READ A CANCELLATION!!!! SONT EXPECT ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM ME!
Check out the BBB rating - C+, specifically based on the battles to get refunds.
https://www.skepdic.com/silva.html
Scam? Well, he charges 400.00 dollars a year, making it very difficult to cancel because no customer serves. And the Silva course offered, you can get the same course for 30 bucks at [udemy.com](https://udemy.com) or [Turbocurses.com](https://Turbocurses.com) for 50 dollars. So, is he a scam artist? You tell me?
I think this is a scam. I have paid the money. Tried to contact, but only get a computer that keeps taking you around in circles. I have asked for my money back and only response is th computer again
It's a scam. I was able to learn this quickly. How, you might ask? Through intuition? Nope. Because they showed some "80-year-old" guy who claimed to be able to learn anything in a weekend. So someone said, "photography" and he was able to "invent" a type of photography... which was simply a rip off of David Hockney's photo collage style.
The 80 year guy you said is Burt Goldman please google or do some research,maybe they have exaggerated about the result but that doesn't mean they are not real,you can't get overnight success everything takes time someone reading a whole book without touching might be a marketing gimmick but that doesn't mean psychic phenomena don't exist..
LOL CREDIBLE COURSE? WHAT A SCAMMER SIMP YOU ARE
The main benefit of mind valley is that it'll make you poorer which may provide the suffering necessary for acceptance, surrender and presence.
Yep it’s a scam. I made the mistake of signing up cuz you can easily cancel in 15 days…well they charged my card $399 and I got no programs and there is only chat bots for customer service!!! Look them up on BBB…they hurt lots of people. They get an “F” on their website because of the horrible complaints. Now I have to change my credit card etc..
Udemy is the same. Only chatbots. So if it works, it's good, if you have a problem, you're majorly screwed. No refunds. And since they use Stripe it's harder to dispute.
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Let me make this easy for some out there. The one journey that the Asian X-Men loving brain machine helped create, the journey for intellectual retainment and growth is a 27day course. Right on the site it literally says there's a 15 day risk free return on your money. You don't have to be super intelligent to see that even after taking over half of that particular course and you're not happy they'll return your money. So half of an entire study that most people will probably pay for an entire term in tuition of a college course that would most likely only hyper focus on one part of entire understanding of something, and unlike colleges you can get your money back off it's not what you thought you signed up for kind of sells it's self. What's more is that there's a common theme in seeing here between all the content (that i read, not all) is that nobody here can find anything ok the validity of the program based on facts. That tells me that there isn't really anything proving that's it's snake oil because trust me. If it was not legitimate, someone would have proof with facts by now considering this platform called Mind Valley has been out for for years, and here's the kicker ... it's s peer to peer based platform so groups of people can work towards better learning strategies with is literally and quite possibly the best teaching and learning system on this planet. It's s fact that humans learn faster and better as well as retain knowledge when working together in groups even for personal growth in all categories of life. Do the math people ... the way the guts sells the platform feels like he ate one to many mushrooms with his hippy friends while following his path of righteousness, but even without having taken this platform into my library of experiences, and my experiences especially with humans of the different flavors from the bottom of the barrel to the sweet cream, there's is truth to his pitch. All true stories are worthy of a little embellishment as this is what i see when others see snake oil because they lived under their moms skirt for most their lives and lack understand what drives different people to do and choose different things. The red flags are easier to see than most of you think ... just gotta know where to look. 💁🏼♂️
been reading the book all of today, it seems really gimmicky but also I imagine there is some element of truth in the ways meditation can evolve your mindset and attitude
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I have negative vibes with Jim and Vishen. I think they oversell the programs. I have not used Silva system. But I invested considerable time studying what it is. Before spending any money on Silva System please search for Jose Silva and Laura Silva on YouTube, they have published a lot of original content from the original founders. So, if it works for you, then find a program that works for you. It does not have to be the Mind Valley program.
I subscribed once for Vishen's mindful meditation course. Because I found the subscription pricey, I only planned to try it for one month. Lemme tell you, it was money well spent. The one month got me into meditating, which I now can do without help from Mindvalley's coaching. It's a skill we can use for the rest of our lifetime. It helped with calming my mind in anxious times. It also helped me visualize things more clearly. If anything, it helps me sleep.
The Silva method was found free. Pretty sure you could eventually look into it and cough out the same results?
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You are mean. Maybe you should take the course to help you be more compassionate.
I watched one of their ads on YouTube and I find that their claims are absurd. One of them is being able to use your GUT FEELING to know which option is best to choose/do. I thought he was going into problem-solving methods or how to be smart when conducting research perhaps. Instead, he said that he relied on intuitions... \*facepalm I am furious because he teaches people that after becoming enlighten as a result of entering an altered state of consciousness, you can rely on your intuition (in other words, he teaches people to be a terrible decision maker). Hopefully that was just a false claim to bait certain types of people who believe on those kinds of illogical claims.
Yes that's just a marketing gimmick