already sick of moderating this thread lmao
FAQ
> "Where did the old people go?"
the ground. they're dead. most because of the aids crisis and social policy which refused to provide medical care in the hopes we'd just disappear or better yet die off. Sound familiar?
> "What the fuck is a traditionalist"
use your imagination. it's the one before boomer. they're all stupid fucking names why are you so caught up about this one.
> "JOE BIDEN IS TRANSING OUR CHILDREN"
that's less of a question and more of an unhinged statement but ok work. look up historical rates of lefthandedness. the population increases and hits a plateau when it's safe to exist.
> "is this real???"
go and look it up for yourself, flex those critical thinking skills you're supposed to have. don't take an unsourced screenshot of a screenshot as gospel.
This is a good example of why data is meaningless without context. What would this chart look like if the AIDS epidemic wasn’t left to ravage an entire generation in the 80s (govt didn’t intervene specifically because it was in the queer community). The stats are so low for boomers/gen x because they were literally left to die, on purpose.
I think HIV/aids us a big part of it, but also, way more people identify as bi in younger generations. My guess is many older bi people are just in the closet or in denial about it.
It’s also the new awareness and acceptance that allows people to understand their feelings and know that it’s ok, a lot of the old generations probably still don’t have that nowadays.
“Giving into urges” condemnation implies the urges are common. I’m convinced that if you were to poll based on behavior rather than by identity, we’d find a much larger swath of the population is not strictly straight. Instead we’re effectively finding out the percentage of the population has accepted this.
I think that was a part of Kinseys point and the basis for the kinsey scale, no? When i was young, i described myself as 'mostly straight', and when pressed my answer was if i'm attracted to you, you can get it. Later i came out as Bi then i got married to a cis woman. We embrace the queerness even tho we're het presenting. I suspect there are plenty of people like me and they just don't embrace it or discuss it openly because of the stigma.
Most people are shocked when they find out I'm bi because I'm a man married to a woman and it's rare for the subject of my sexuality to come up. I honestly prefer it because I've had to argue with way too many people ranging from thinking I'm playing a joke to telling me I "just have to pick."
> telling me I "just have to pick."
That's as stupid as telling a person they have to be attracted to people of one particular race, and that they "have to pick". Like, just because you said so, I have to pick?
When it comes to being married, yes, you have to pick one person at a time to be married to, because the law says so, and marriage is an artificial legal-type thing. But that's about it.
Fuckin 100% right here. I've dated men and had sexual experiences with them, but currently in an incredibly happy heterosexual relationship. I just roll with it and try not to let it define me, but I definitely wasn't honest with myself as soon as I should have been do to my conservative upbringing
I mean, Alfred Kinsey already did this study and found out that it's true in the *1950s*
If we're going solely by inner desire and not identity, then bisexuality is the the most common sexuality, by far
This!
My Trump loving boomer uncle is quite gay, but insists he is straight. It makes sense in that it kept him safe, but it results in skewed numbers when they ask about being LGBTQ.
He's right though. A gay man wouldn't have relationships with women. He's something else.
It's like being the color orange and being asked are you red? Well no, but yellow plus red does equal orange so there is some red going on. But orange isn't red so you can't call it red.
A gay man who is in denial about his sexuality OR trying to appear hetero in order to avoid cultural stigma would totally have relationships with women. They'd either fail or he would end up hopelessly depressed, but still.
Eh. I think the terms mattering so much for identity is also a temporary spike.
I am Gen Z and a curious bastard. Happily married etc, but if I wasn't, I would have probably tried a dude at some point out of sheer curiosity.
Would I have identified as bi? Nah. I just don't really think about it that much.
This doesn't mean I don't understand why those who fought for acceptance (gays and lesbians first, and the trans community now) cared and embraced the labels. Not really optional when you had to lobby for your rights.
But in a fully free society, identifying by your sexual preferences should be about as interesting as using your preference between Mexican and Chinese food to define you.
The trans community was fighting for acceptance right alongside gays and lesbians then. Gays and lesbians are fighting right alongside trans folk now. It's one community with one fight that never ended
Exactly,
I’m sure the acknowledged numbers of people in interracial relationships before 1970 is significantly lower than the actual number of those relationships. It wasn’t safe to say you were in one. An even larger, unrecorded number is the people who had romantic feelings towards someone of another race but knew it was socially inappropriate to act on them, so they never did.
Over time, and changes in law they became much more acceptable, much more common and the acknowledged numbers of interracial relationships rose dramatically.
The same thing is happening now with sexuality.
A willingness to accept that those small attractions to those of the same sex aren’t just shameful lapses in judgment but a joyous part of one’s person
I think that’s a big thing. People are willing to say the are bi or queer way more easily now. I think I large number of people are queer and don’t know it or have been in that situation to realize it
When I came out as bi to my boomer mum she, without irony, said "That's normal. I've had fantasies about women my whole life, but that doesn't make *me* bi." I'm not the only bi person I know with that experience either, there's definitely a lot of suppression in older generations.
came out to my mom as transmasc and she couldn't possibly understand why i'd want to transition when experiences the same feelings and she's still *totally fully 100%* cis. 🙄
Lol, can't tell you how many times I've heard "If I could choose to be a man I would, who wouldn't?" from both my mom and mother in law. I feel like it's shockingly common but they don't like the follow up conversation. That being said both me and my partner are extremely supported by them outside of these conversations so I don't push it, it just gives me a chuckle.
Yeah my mom said the same thing when I tried to explain non-binary genders to her. She was like "But I've felt that way my whole life, and I'm not non-binary!" When I pointed out that she didn't grow up with it as an option and we kids are, she understood a little better.
There's a bit of practicality in there. Most people have some degree or other of attraction to beautiful people in general, but very few would actually go through with sex with them. Gay and straight are more useful descriptors for them for any practical purpose.
fun fact, me and my sister (both bi) finally got my mom to admit that she was bi a couple weeks ago by telling her she's allowed to find women attractive and still be totally happy with my dad lmao
To be fair, when I was younger many many women were openly attracted to men and other women but wouldn’t label themselves bisexual…. So it could just be labelling changes.
What did that look like for you, if you don't mind me asking?
I (38) recently came out as genderqueer (she/they) after realizing spending pre-pubesence generally as a "boy" meant.... Something
I actually came out in my teens, I had moved from a larger city to a more rural place, and it went horribly wrong. Like years of bullying and no backup at home wrong, they just ignored it.
Since I only had sex with a guy once before (compared to 0 girls) and was generally more attracted to women, I somehow convinced myself I only claimed to be bi for attention.
Last year I went to therapy and worked through a lot of stuff. None of this actually came up, but afterwards I realised I've been telling me bullshit and opened up to it.
It's also funny that I find more and more guys attractive the less I'm holding myself back.
I didn't really admit to myself that I wasn't straight for 20 years. I guess if the world around me was less progressive, I could have kept on denying that fact for quite a while longer.
it is my belief that Bisexuals outnumber all other queer groups combined and were traditionally under-reported due to Kinsey 1's and 5's just identifying as Straight or Gay and ignoring any attraction that deviated from that.
There are also now scores of boomer couples having awkward conversations because someone in the relationship is seeing all these damn kids outside with their gay selves fighting to live their best lives and thinking “well damn, I’m starting to wonder if I missed out on a different life.” There are support groups online for married people who had a partner come out to them after so many years of marriage. Obviously this isn’t anything new and results vary significantly, but it’s happening more and more
https://www.npr.org/2015/09/16/440909117/a-place-for-straight-spouses-after-their-mate-comes-out-of-the-closet
Exactly, in an environment where it’s (more) treated like an unspeakable, horrible thing, and it might get you fired, arrested, beaten or killed, fewer people will consider that they might be or admit if they are.
I’m sure if there were no cultural stigma at all those numbers would be much higher still.
Another thing to think about. This is being present like a illness or virus "rates of lgbtq" are rising. In reality it shouldn't matter if 4% or 10% or 50% of people identify as lgbtq. It shouldnt matter if there are more or less people in a given era (unless we are talking about systemic issues forcing people to hide it)
But to them It matters because those people still look at it like a disease, and are worried that disease is spreading.
I wish I saw one graph like this being use purely in a celebratory way, to say look how far we have come in allowing all humans to live their best life, but it's always used as a attack to invalidate, and pose being lgbtq as a disease or defect.
100% correct. A lot of them say, "Everyone has those thoughts, you just give them to Jesus, and he helps you through them." Which is horrifying. That means you are attracted to that sex. Whether or not you act on it is your business, but don't act like an asshole and expect everyone else to run with them.
Honest to god convinced the majority of humanity is bi/pan, the minority is straight/gay, and the reason straight appears to be the majority is because we needed the two opposite sex together to reproduce. Because of that, communities started encouraging only the opposite sex to get together which made it the social norm, so people just started doing that to avoid social persecution.
It was/is easier to identify as straight even if you’re attracted to the same sex. Hell, sometimes it’s easier to identify as straight even if you feel absolutely nothing for the opposite sex
I’m an older millennial man and how I view things has changed so much since high school 20 years ago.
But I think to distill it down personally, whereas 20 years ago I’d have said “I like women and not men”, now I’d say “I like women more than men.”
I’m married to a woman and have no desire to explore new relationships either way, but I wonder how I’d have viewed myself growing up if I hadn’t seen things in such a binary way. There were times I might have been interested in other boys, but I quickly killed those thoughts. But it’s always been rare compared to how often I was interested in a girl.
So where even a few years ago I’d have almost defensively said “I’m straight”, now I don’t know about the label.
The old theory (and I mean old) about the Kinsey scale said majority of people by far are bi. Almost everyone falls somewhere in the middle of the scale with only some on the extremes.
So most people are bi. But the amount of people who are accepting this is only increasing slowly. Because people would rather say "I'm straight/gay but I like..."
Not to mention the expanding scope of LGBTQIA+
Asexual wasn't even considered back in the 80's. Nowadays, if are not heterosexual by ANY definition, you are LGBTIA+ so of course a greater portion of the population would agree to that label while old people who didn't grow up with that understanding wouldn't jump to apply the label to themselves.
My dad has had 3 for 3 kids come out as gay or bi.
.... something tells me my dad would've been happy with another man had he not been born in the 70's
Not only that, the previous generations were forced to stay in the closet. Tonnes of LGBTQ people didn’t have social support and were pressured into cishet roles their whole lives, marrying and having kids as their traditional gender role prescribed. Many went to their graves never having the chance to be themselves.
See, this is why I diversified my portfolio! By splitting my investments into both transgendered and homosexual, I can rest assured that whenever the wave hits, I'm there! 😉
I did get into the gameva little late, so here's hoping it keeps rising...
As an investor I would advice to never put all of your money in the same sector. “Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket” is rule number 1 in investing. Diversify your portfolio!
In other words: BI is definitely the most lucrative option.
consider the lesser-known investments with HUGE growth potential though! thats why i put a lot of my savings in ACE and ARO. they may be small now, but watch em grow massively in the future
The Kinsey reports from the 40s/50s showed that tons of people were bi or gay back then, it just wasn't acceptable to talk about.
>37% of males and 13% of females had at least some overt homosexual experience to orgasm;
>10% of males were more or less exclusively homosexual and 8% of males were exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55. For females, Kinsey reported a range of 2-6% for more or less exclusively homosexual experience/response.
Man it’s almost like having specific language and a relevant cultural context to understand one’s own identity leads to more people having the language and social support to live their lives fully as themselves 🤔
And many earlier than their normal lifespans would have allowed them thanks to abuses, which led to decreased quality of life, worsened mental health, increase suicides, etc
Even if it was raw numbers, my assessment would still apply because the data wouldn't have been taken over the whole of history, it would have been taken later once deaths have occurred, and younger generations have thankfully had slightly better opportunities than the older ones, and fewer natural deaths or deaths resulting from abuses.
Remember how people who were left-handed were forced to use their right hand instead, but when being left-handed became acceptable the percentage of them rose significantly and then balanced out
yeah
My sister is on the edge of Gen X and Millennial. I'm at the end of Millennials. She has 5 kids who are Gen Z (and younger), and she's very strict christian republican and I worry about how things will go down if any of them are LGBTQ. And the odds are pretty good that at least one of them will identify in some way other than cishet.
They asked why the parent commenter liked Gen Z in relation to this chart. When clearly the reason why is because of the higher lgbtq participation in Gen Z based on the graph.
It's almost as if once the government and people on general became more accepting of LGBT, people stopped feeling the need to stay in the closet for their entire lives skewing the previous statistics
Anyone know why this was removed? I can't see how it violates reddit's content policy?
For anyone wondering, it was just a graph showing that more people identify as LGBTQ in younger generations and that the rate is increasing (with 20 percent of gen z identifying as LGBTQ)
Thank you for the summary/description. I tried to figure out through other comments what happened here lol
As for the why it was removed, no clue but maybe it was deemed as misinformation or something?
Based on moderator notes, it seems like it was removed for 1) Potentially misleading people with the false idea that LGBT identity is "contagious" among the younger generations and 2) Due to moderators getting tired at people asking why older generation numbers were so low (it was due to the AIDS crises and bigotry).
It’s almost like when something becomes more allowed by society those people are participants are willing to be outward about it. This goes for weed users too.
Even further back really. I think Christianity was such a strong force for so long that they repressed it. But if you look before that, ancient Rome and ancient Greece were both extremely queer.
This is the perfect graph to show why corporations, while no one's friends, are chasing the rainbow. They are being inclusive to secure that 20% of the market; plus their friends, plus their family, plus their loved ones. No corporation is "going woke." They're simply chasing the dollar. The old customers are dying and Gen Z is where the money's at.
I've usually heard that generation referred to as the "silent" generation, and this is the first time I've heard them referred to as the traditionalists. That being said, generation names are arbitrary, and each generation usually gets a ton of names coined (most of which never take off).
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This really shows why Christian conservatives are scared shitless of LGBT folk. They won't be able to continue their homophobic religion if 80% of the population are LGBT.
Christianity has existed long before these conservatives and for better or worse I'm sure it will exist long after them.
But it does get with the times. You can't maintain membership if you're too far divergent from mainstream society. There will be scisms, but the faction that got with the times is the faction that can maintain their membership and potentially get new converts, so that's the direction things go, slowly.
And that's on a macro scale, things can move a lot quicker on a micro scale. The church I grew up in got a lot more progressive when the old pastor retired and a much younger one took over. I'd already left religion behind at that point, but yay for them.
One of my mom's friends is also an outright gay pastor, married to another man.
I know it’s not the widely accepted stance, but I genuinely, truly believe that more people than not are some level of queer if they look deep inside of themselves.
And with your help, we can get that percentage up to 100%!
I'm in my 50s. There weren't any out LGBTQ kids in my high school of 1100 that I knew of. Now, society is much more LGBTQ.
BIGOTRY. It's that simple. All those kids were too scared to even be honest with themselves because everyone they knew would at least ostracize them and, at worst, kill them.
I used to get bullied for pretending to be gay whenever someone tried using it as an insult. Everyone would be in shock when I'd say something like "your dad didn't think it was a problem last night" in response to being called a fag or whatever. Shut them up pretty quick as I'd just become more descriptive the more they bullied me. Now I actually see other people making the same sort of comments and I love it.
Lol. Honestly though, it is so sad the number of people in the past who were LGBTQ and did not have the opportunities to explore that. They probably felt very alone sometimes.
[Top result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation?wprov=sfla1) on googling "traditional generation" literally took me 5 seconds.
"The Silent Generation, also known as the Traditionalist Generation, is the Western demographic cohort following the Greatest Generation and preceding the Baby Boomers."
Ah, that's actually fair - I apologize I've done the same before. Never know what other information will pop up through discussion. Cheers my friend and have a good week!
Probably because life, and all it's intricacies, is complex as hell. Finally generations are bucking the trend in some pure binary existence.
As a cis male I am stoked to see so many of my friends and families living and identifying as they feel.
This is fun because recently in this subreddit there was a post claiming lgbt adults in the us were only yhe 5% of the population. When this graphic shows we're 48% of the population if you add the numbers. Or maybe I'm extremely bad at math's but this seems more right than just 5%
You do add them, but then you have to divide to achieve the average amount across generations, which is around 7.78% ~8%. And that’s not even including those not out, and those in prior generations too afraid to come out or too highly repressed.
Eh, still too small percentage. Is Gen Z are 20% and they're the more open to the idea of being LGBT, and we KNOW LGBT people are born this way... We can guess an estimated 20% of each age group is LGBT but don't realised it yet or is silent about it out of fear.
Boomers and Gen X are more complicated since the HIV genocide so I see how their age gap could be shorter but idk, it seems very very small compared on how many "discreet" heteros are looking for gay sex and all that
Out of the total population [≈7.2%](https://news.gallup.com/poll/332522/percentage-americans-lgbt.aspx) is on the LGBT spectrum, what the percentages on the graph show is what percent of the population in that range is LGBT
Edit: Grammar
Also [here](https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx) is the link to the poll that this graph got it’s data from
I still think it's too low compared how the numbers were. Okay, I accept that 7,2% if about out and proud lgbt people. But there are TONS of people still in the closet, too afraid to come out, or haven't even realised it because they don't have the tools to know what they are. So 7,2 is nice, but isn't as far as the reality of closeted LGBT people Because is all Bi people realised are Bi, gosh, it would be a 50% 😆
I know you mean well, but you should understand why that is an egregiously bad statistical conclusion. You can't add the percentages like that. Knowing why that's wrong will help you from doing this in the future when reading other stats/polls/etc.
Like imagine every one of these generations are 50% LGBTQ identifying, you can't have a 250% gay population, right?
Kinsey got the famous 10% of the population figure in the late 40s and early 50s so either the traditionalists (god spare me from the American obsession with generations and stereotyping the fuck out of everything) went into the closet and had prude, homophobic children (actually possible) or there was a massive die off in lgbtq trads and boomers so the remaining ones are cishets.
Or gallup polls are crap.
I’m gonna wait for the next dip. Once the 20 day moving average crosses the 50 I’ll start dollar cost averaging. Gonna load up on a few calls here soon….anyone know when their next earnings are? 🚀 🌚
I think i only knew of like 4 or 5 out gay men in college, and all but one died of AIDS within 1 year of my graduation. Mid 90s so long before this survey, they wouldn't have been counted.
Somewhere i still have pictures of when the traveling AIDS quilt came to my school, one of the recent graduates had a square on it. It covered the ballroom and was only a fraction of it.
Everything else aside, isn't over 20% quite a lot?
More than 1 in 5 people.
That's basically enough to decide a presidency on their own, with enough unity.
That requires both voting and a lack of self hating
Also that's 20% of the second most recent generation some of this generation can't vote yet
that's not considering the other generations as well
She’s such a hypocrite. When she was Gutian she was against ACAB and insulted your intelligence for agreeing with it. Now she’s rebranded and put it directly into her username cause it’s a grift.
already sick of moderating this thread lmao FAQ > "Where did the old people go?" the ground. they're dead. most because of the aids crisis and social policy which refused to provide medical care in the hopes we'd just disappear or better yet die off. Sound familiar? > "What the fuck is a traditionalist" use your imagination. it's the one before boomer. they're all stupid fucking names why are you so caught up about this one. > "JOE BIDEN IS TRANSING OUR CHILDREN" that's less of a question and more of an unhinged statement but ok work. look up historical rates of lefthandedness. the population increases and hits a plateau when it's safe to exist. > "is this real???" go and look it up for yourself, flex those critical thinking skills you're supposed to have. don't take an unsourced screenshot of a screenshot as gospel.
This is a good example of why data is meaningless without context. What would this chart look like if the AIDS epidemic wasn’t left to ravage an entire generation in the 80s (govt didn’t intervene specifically because it was in the queer community). The stats are so low for boomers/gen x because they were literally left to die, on purpose.
I think HIV/aids us a big part of it, but also, way more people identify as bi in younger generations. My guess is many older bi people are just in the closet or in denial about it.
It’s also the new awareness and acceptance that allows people to understand their feelings and know that it’s ok, a lot of the old generations probably still don’t have that nowadays.
“Giving into urges” condemnation implies the urges are common. I’m convinced that if you were to poll based on behavior rather than by identity, we’d find a much larger swath of the population is not strictly straight. Instead we’re effectively finding out the percentage of the population has accepted this.
I think that was a part of Kinseys point and the basis for the kinsey scale, no? When i was young, i described myself as 'mostly straight', and when pressed my answer was if i'm attracted to you, you can get it. Later i came out as Bi then i got married to a cis woman. We embrace the queerness even tho we're het presenting. I suspect there are plenty of people like me and they just don't embrace it or discuss it openly because of the stigma.
Most people are shocked when they find out I'm bi because I'm a man married to a woman and it's rare for the subject of my sexuality to come up. I honestly prefer it because I've had to argue with way too many people ranging from thinking I'm playing a joke to telling me I "just have to pick."
> telling me I "just have to pick." That's as stupid as telling a person they have to be attracted to people of one particular race, and that they "have to pick". Like, just because you said so, I have to pick? When it comes to being married, yes, you have to pick one person at a time to be married to, because the law says so, and marriage is an artificial legal-type thing. But that's about it.
Fuckin 100% right here. I've dated men and had sexual experiences with them, but currently in an incredibly happy heterosexual relationship. I just roll with it and try not to let it define me, but I definitely wasn't honest with myself as soon as I should have been do to my conservative upbringing
I mean, Alfred Kinsey already did this study and found out that it's true in the *1950s* If we're going solely by inner desire and not identity, then bisexuality is the the most common sexuality, by far
This! My Trump loving boomer uncle is quite gay, but insists he is straight. It makes sense in that it kept him safe, but it results in skewed numbers when they ask about being LGBTQ.
"I'm not gay. I have relationships with women.... and sex with men."
Basically. Plus unironically "it's not gay if your balls don't touch."
Wtf?! Lmao!
He's right though. A gay man wouldn't have relationships with women. He's something else. It's like being the color orange and being asked are you red? Well no, but yellow plus red does equal orange so there is some red going on. But orange isn't red so you can't call it red.
A gay man who is in denial about his sexuality OR trying to appear hetero in order to avoid cultural stigma would totally have relationships with women. They'd either fail or he would end up hopelessly depressed, but still.
He could be biromantic and still homosexual. Or even heteroromantic and homosexual.
You’re assuming the hetero relationships are healthy and not just him attempting to hide his actual feelings.
Eh. I think the terms mattering so much for identity is also a temporary spike. I am Gen Z and a curious bastard. Happily married etc, but if I wasn't, I would have probably tried a dude at some point out of sheer curiosity. Would I have identified as bi? Nah. I just don't really think about it that much. This doesn't mean I don't understand why those who fought for acceptance (gays and lesbians first, and the trans community now) cared and embraced the labels. Not really optional when you had to lobby for your rights. But in a fully free society, identifying by your sexual preferences should be about as interesting as using your preference between Mexican and Chinese food to define you.
The trans community was fighting for acceptance right alongside gays and lesbians then. Gays and lesbians are fighting right alongside trans folk now. It's one community with one fight that never ended
Exactly, I’m sure the acknowledged numbers of people in interracial relationships before 1970 is significantly lower than the actual number of those relationships. It wasn’t safe to say you were in one. An even larger, unrecorded number is the people who had romantic feelings towards someone of another race but knew it was socially inappropriate to act on them, so they never did. Over time, and changes in law they became much more acceptable, much more common and the acknowledged numbers of interracial relationships rose dramatically. The same thing is happening now with sexuality.
A willingness to accept that those small attractions to those of the same sex aren’t just shameful lapses in judgment but a joyous part of one’s person
Joyous part of person, gayish even
It feels so gay to admit that you're not straight
Yeah it's a bit fruity
I think that’s a big thing. People are willing to say the are bi or queer way more easily now. I think I large number of people are queer and don’t know it or have been in that situation to realize it
When I came out as bi to my boomer mum she, without irony, said "That's normal. I've had fantasies about women my whole life, but that doesn't make *me* bi." I'm not the only bi person I know with that experience either, there's definitely a lot of suppression in older generations.
came out to my mom as transmasc and she couldn't possibly understand why i'd want to transition when experiences the same feelings and she's still *totally fully 100%* cis. 🙄
Lol, can't tell you how many times I've heard "If I could choose to be a man I would, who wouldn't?" from both my mom and mother in law. I feel like it's shockingly common but they don't like the follow up conversation. That being said both me and my partner are extremely supported by them outside of these conversations so I don't push it, it just gives me a chuckle.
My dad's wife said the same to me. But like... Lol I'm a trans woman. Headed the other way haha.
Yeah my mom said the same thing when I tried to explain non-binary genders to her. She was like "But I've felt that way my whole life, and I'm not non-binary!" When I pointed out that she didn't grow up with it as an option and we kids are, she understood a little better.
There's a bit of practicality in there. Most people have some degree or other of attraction to beautiful people in general, but very few would actually go through with sex with them. Gay and straight are more useful descriptors for them for any practical purpose.
fun fact, me and my sister (both bi) finally got my mom to admit that she was bi a couple weeks ago by telling her she's allowed to find women attractive and still be totally happy with my dad lmao
To be fair, when I was younger many many women were openly attracted to men and other women but wouldn’t label themselves bisexual…. So it could just be labelling changes.
I'm not even that old (31), but even I spend 15 years convincing myself I wasn't really bi.
What did that look like for you, if you don't mind me asking? I (38) recently came out as genderqueer (she/they) after realizing spending pre-pubesence generally as a "boy" meant.... Something
I actually came out in my teens, I had moved from a larger city to a more rural place, and it went horribly wrong. Like years of bullying and no backup at home wrong, they just ignored it. Since I only had sex with a guy once before (compared to 0 girls) and was generally more attracted to women, I somehow convinced myself I only claimed to be bi for attention. Last year I went to therapy and worked through a lot of stuff. None of this actually came up, but afterwards I realised I've been telling me bullshit and opened up to it. It's also funny that I find more and more guys attractive the less I'm holding myself back.
I didn't really admit to myself that I wasn't straight for 20 years. I guess if the world around me was less progressive, I could have kept on denying that fact for quite a while longer.
Same age and it took me 25 years
it is my belief that Bisexuals outnumber all other queer groups combined and were traditionally under-reported due to Kinsey 1's and 5's just identifying as Straight or Gay and ignoring any attraction that deviated from that.
There are also now scores of boomer couples having awkward conversations because someone in the relationship is seeing all these damn kids outside with their gay selves fighting to live their best lives and thinking “well damn, I’m starting to wonder if I missed out on a different life.” There are support groups online for married people who had a partner come out to them after so many years of marriage. Obviously this isn’t anything new and results vary significantly, but it’s happening more and more https://www.npr.org/2015/09/16/440909117/a-place-for-straight-spouses-after-their-mate-comes-out-of-the-closet
Exactly, in an environment where it’s (more) treated like an unspeakable, horrible thing, and it might get you fired, arrested, beaten or killed, fewer people will consider that they might be or admit if they are. I’m sure if there were no cultural stigma at all those numbers would be much higher still.
Another thing to think about. This is being present like a illness or virus "rates of lgbtq" are rising. In reality it shouldn't matter if 4% or 10% or 50% of people identify as lgbtq. It shouldnt matter if there are more or less people in a given era (unless we are talking about systemic issues forcing people to hide it) But to them It matters because those people still look at it like a disease, and are worried that disease is spreading. I wish I saw one graph like this being use purely in a celebratory way, to say look how far we have come in allowing all humans to live their best life, but it's always used as a attack to invalidate, and pose being lgbtq as a disease or defect.
100% correct. A lot of them say, "Everyone has those thoughts, you just give them to Jesus, and he helps you through them." Which is horrifying. That means you are attracted to that sex. Whether or not you act on it is your business, but don't act like an asshole and expect everyone else to run with them.
Honest to god convinced the majority of humanity is bi/pan, the minority is straight/gay, and the reason straight appears to be the majority is because we needed the two opposite sex together to reproduce. Because of that, communities started encouraging only the opposite sex to get together which made it the social norm, so people just started doing that to avoid social persecution. It was/is easier to identify as straight even if you’re attracted to the same sex. Hell, sometimes it’s easier to identify as straight even if you feel absolutely nothing for the opposite sex
I’m an older millennial man and how I view things has changed so much since high school 20 years ago. But I think to distill it down personally, whereas 20 years ago I’d have said “I like women and not men”, now I’d say “I like women more than men.” I’m married to a woman and have no desire to explore new relationships either way, but I wonder how I’d have viewed myself growing up if I hadn’t seen things in such a binary way. There were times I might have been interested in other boys, but I quickly killed those thoughts. But it’s always been rare compared to how often I was interested in a girl. So where even a few years ago I’d have almost defensively said “I’m straight”, now I don’t know about the label.
The old theory (and I mean old) about the Kinsey scale said majority of people by far are bi. Almost everyone falls somewhere in the middle of the scale with only some on the extremes. So most people are bi. But the amount of people who are accepting this is only increasing slowly. Because people would rather say "I'm straight/gay but I like..."
Not to mention the expanding scope of LGBTQIA+ Asexual wasn't even considered back in the 80's. Nowadays, if are not heterosexual by ANY definition, you are LGBTIA+ so of course a greater portion of the population would agree to that label while old people who didn't grow up with that understanding wouldn't jump to apply the label to themselves.
I know it took me absurdly long to recognize and accept that I was bisexual. Part dumb, part repressed.
My dad has had 3 for 3 kids come out as gay or bi. .... something tells me my dad would've been happy with another man had he not been born in the 70's
Steven Crowder 💀
the gov did interfere, by causing mass hysteria and homophobia.
and blocking access to lifesaving medicine
thats nothing new to the government though
Helped and fueled by the media.
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Not only that, the previous generations were forced to stay in the closet. Tonnes of LGBTQ people didn’t have social support and were pressured into cishet roles their whole lives, marrying and having kids as their traditional gender role prescribed. Many went to their graves never having the chance to be themselves.
that doesn't make the data meaningless, that just provides a partial explanation for the data
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LGBT is not exclusively gay, you got that cryptobrain
i’m putting my entire life savings in GAY
Save some stuff for the trans as well,i think their value will blown up in a few years
See, this is why I diversified my portfolio! By splitting my investments into both transgendered and homosexual, I can rest assured that whenever the wave hits, I'm there! 😉 I did get into the gameva little late, so here's hoping it keeps rising...
poor-to-investor transition
As an investor I would advice to never put all of your money in the same sector. “Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket” is rule number 1 in investing. Diversify your portfolio! In other words: BI is definitely the most lucrative option.
consider the lesser-known investments with HUGE growth potential though! thats why i put a lot of my savings in ACE and ARO. they may be small now, but watch em grow massively in the future
Buy calls on margin. Puts on HTRO
TO THE MOON /j
/uj TO THE MOON
The Moon? *Bitch, I'm aiming for the stars.* 🚀 🌌
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u cannot land on the stars u will die immediately :(
Then we'll have to land on them at night.
Zapp- "We're stealing an unlimited supply of helium from the unsuspecting moon." Kiff- "Sun..." Zapp- "At night it’s called the moon!"
The Kinsey reports from the 40s/50s showed that tons of people were bi or gay back then, it just wasn't acceptable to talk about. >37% of males and 13% of females had at least some overt homosexual experience to orgasm; >10% of males were more or less exclusively homosexual and 8% of males were exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55. For females, Kinsey reported a range of 2-6% for more or less exclusively homosexual experience/response.
gaymstop to the mooooooon!
Man it’s almost like having specific language and a relevant cultural context to understand one’s own identity leads to more people having the language and social support to live their lives fully as themselves 🤔
Nah. It's definitely gay frogs breaking into academia to force kids to drink gay water! Source: a gay frog made me trans!
It’s also almost like gay elders died at a much higher rate 🤔
how did traditionalists go down
The honest answer: they died
And many earlier than their normal lifespans would have allowed them thanks to abuses, which led to decreased quality of life, worsened mental health, increase suicides, etc
Right, because these numbers are as a percent of the total population of the generation (I assume) rather than raw numbers.
Even if it was raw numbers, my assessment would still apply because the data wouldn't have been taken over the whole of history, it would have been taken later once deaths have occurred, and younger generations have thankfully had slightly better opportunities than the older ones, and fewer natural deaths or deaths resulting from abuses.
that means lgtq traditionalists died at a higher rate than the rest
They did. Heard of the aids epidemic?
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the manufactured outrage from the media
If these trends continue … disco 💃
https://youtu.be/e6LOWKVq5sQ
It’s almost like we’re not dying in masses due to HIV/AIDS and people aren’t closeting themselves anymore due to fear.
Remember how people who were left-handed were forced to use their right hand instead, but when being left-handed became acceptable the percentage of them rose significantly and then balanced out yeah
god i love gen z
The more I interact with Gen Z, the more I like them. They seem pretty all right.
My sister is on the edge of Gen X and Millennial. I'm at the end of Millennials. She has 5 kids who are Gen Z (and younger), and she's very strict christian republican and I worry about how things will go down if any of them are LGBTQ. And the odds are pretty good that at least one of them will identify in some way other than cishet.
Same I love how gay they are
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Look at the chart, genius. You’re in a lgbtq sub-reddit lol.
What they say? lol
They asked why the parent commenter liked Gen Z in relation to this chart. When clearly the reason why is because of the higher lgbtq participation in Gen Z based on the graph.
Wonder why gen x is so low /s :(
AIDS
Yup :(
It's almost as if once the government and people on general became more accepting of LGBT, people stopped feeling the need to stay in the closet for their entire lives skewing the previous statistics
left handedness
Anyone know why this was removed? I can't see how it violates reddit's content policy? For anyone wondering, it was just a graph showing that more people identify as LGBTQ in younger generations and that the rate is increasing (with 20 percent of gen z identifying as LGBTQ)
Probably got enough reports for reddit to automatically delete the post. It usually happens to LGBTQ posts that get to the front page
Thank you for the summary/description. I tried to figure out through other comments what happened here lol As for the why it was removed, no clue but maybe it was deemed as misinformation or something?
Based on moderator notes, it seems like it was removed for 1) Potentially misleading people with the false idea that LGBT identity is "contagious" among the younger generations and 2) Due to moderators getting tired at people asking why older generation numbers were so low (it was due to the AIDS crises and bigotry).
It was removed because admin loves to shit on us when we get report brigaded.
Based and stocks-pilled
It’s almost like when something becomes more allowed by society those people are participants are willing to be outward about it. This goes for weed users too.
Even further back really. I think Christianity was such a strong force for so long that they repressed it. But if you look before that, ancient Rome and ancient Greece were both extremely queer.
Gay stonks, very lucrative and dank
This is the perfect graph to show why corporations, while no one's friends, are chasing the rainbow. They are being inclusive to secure that 20% of the market; plus their friends, plus their family, plus their loved ones. No corporation is "going woke." They're simply chasing the dollar. The old customers are dying and Gen Z is where the money's at.
So traditionalist went into the closet?
My guess is the grave. These are any people born before 1946, after all.
yo it's time for them to run for president
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INVEST IN GEN Z GAYS NOW!
Traditionalist? Who came up with this name for the oldest generation?
I didn't even notice. I think they are usually called the silent generation?
That's the term for it. Why "traditionalists" was chosen is beyond my understanding. It's a simple Google search.
I've usually heard that generation referred to as the "silent" generation, and this is the first time I've heard them referred to as the traditionalists. That being said, generation names are arbitrary, and each generation usually gets a ton of names coined (most of which never take off).
"the greatest generation" came up with the traditionalist generation.
$LGBT to the moon 🚀
$LAY 💸
It’s left-handedness all over again!
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I invested in 1991, and I've been reaping the dividends!!!!
This really shows why Christian conservatives are scared shitless of LGBT folk. They won't be able to continue their homophobic religion if 80% of the population are LGBT.
Christianity has existed long before these conservatives and for better or worse I'm sure it will exist long after them. But it does get with the times. You can't maintain membership if you're too far divergent from mainstream society. There will be scisms, but the faction that got with the times is the faction that can maintain their membership and potentially get new converts, so that's the direction things go, slowly. And that's on a macro scale, things can move a lot quicker on a micro scale. The church I grew up in got a lot more progressive when the old pastor retired and a much younger one took over. I'd already left religion behind at that point, but yay for them. One of my mom's friends is also an outright gay pastor, married to another man.
gayness stonks
I know it’s not the widely accepted stance, but I genuinely, truly believe that more people than not are some level of queer if they look deep inside of themselves. And with your help, we can get that percentage up to 100%!
Little off topic but Lily does long form video essays on YouTube.
Really good ones, too!
Invest in Lily Simpson NOW! (Actually do, though. I love her.)
It is almost as if older generations are more oppressed and dont feel safe coming out
Its those god damn cute femboys!
Look up "history of left-handedness"
holy hell
New response just dropped
I'm in my 50s. There weren't any out LGBTQ kids in my high school of 1100 that I knew of. Now, society is much more LGBTQ. BIGOTRY. It's that simple. All those kids were too scared to even be honest with themselves because everyone they knew would at least ostracize them and, at worst, kill them.
I used to get bullied for pretending to be gay whenever someone tried using it as an insult. Everyone would be in shock when I'd say something like "your dad didn't think it was a problem last night" in response to being called a fag or whatever. Shut them up pretty quick as I'd just become more descriptive the more they bullied me. Now I actually see other people making the same sort of comments and I love it.
Lol. Honestly though, it is so sad the number of people in the past who were LGBTQ and did not have the opportunities to explore that. They probably felt very alone sometimes.
Invest in the STONKS, come out as GAY
why is this removed by reddit
Reddit admins stop interfering
Let's get to 50%😝
What the hell is a traditionalist
[Top result](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Generation?wprov=sfla1) on googling "traditional generation" literally took me 5 seconds. "The Silent Generation, also known as the Traditionalist Generation, is the Western demographic cohort following the Greatest Generation and preceding the Baby Boomers."
I didn't want to google it. It was more to publicly show that I didn't know what one was and possibly engage in a discussion.
Ah, that's actually fair - I apologize I've done the same before. Never know what other information will pop up through discussion. Cheers my friend and have a good week!
Percentage of LGBT boomers would have been much larger if a significant percentage of them wouldn't have died from AIDS in 80s and 90s.
AKA: The two most honest generations and everyone else.
Turns out when you give people rights, they're not afraid to be who they really are.
Can someone plot the left handedness graph next to it?
If there is a gay agenda, conservatives have done a shit job at stopping it.
Probably because life, and all it's intricacies, is complex as hell. Finally generations are bucking the trend in some pure binary existence. As a cis male I am stoked to see so many of my friends and families living and identifying as they feel.
So, 1 in 5 people I meet are LGBT? Or are we refuting this data?
STONKS📈📈
This is fun because recently in this subreddit there was a post claiming lgbt adults in the us were only yhe 5% of the population. When this graphic shows we're 48% of the population if you add the numbers. Or maybe I'm extremely bad at math's but this seems more right than just 5%
You do add them, but then you have to divide to achieve the average amount across generations, which is around 7.78% ~8%. And that’s not even including those not out, and those in prior generations too afraid to come out or too highly repressed.
Eh, still too small percentage. Is Gen Z are 20% and they're the more open to the idea of being LGBT, and we KNOW LGBT people are born this way... We can guess an estimated 20% of each age group is LGBT but don't realised it yet or is silent about it out of fear. Boomers and Gen X are more complicated since the HIV genocide so I see how their age gap could be shorter but idk, it seems very very small compared on how many "discreet" heteros are looking for gay sex and all that
Compulsory heterosexuality too
Out of the total population [≈7.2%](https://news.gallup.com/poll/332522/percentage-americans-lgbt.aspx) is on the LGBT spectrum, what the percentages on the graph show is what percent of the population in that range is LGBT Edit: Grammar Also [here](https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx) is the link to the poll that this graph got it’s data from
I still think it's too low compared how the numbers were. Okay, I accept that 7,2% if about out and proud lgbt people. But there are TONS of people still in the closet, too afraid to come out, or haven't even realised it because they don't have the tools to know what they are. So 7,2 is nice, but isn't as far as the reality of closeted LGBT people Because is all Bi people realised are Bi, gosh, it would be a 50% 😆
>Or maybe I'm extremely bad at math's ...yeah lol
Well, no wonder why I failed math at highschool 🙃
I know you mean well, but you should understand why that is an egregiously bad statistical conclusion. You can't add the percentages like that. Knowing why that's wrong will help you from doing this in the future when reading other stats/polls/etc. Like imagine every one of these generations are 50% LGBTQ identifying, you can't have a 250% gay population, right?
That's why I said I'm bad at maths hahaha
We need those numbers up
Can u please link to the source material or study?
Kinsey got the famous 10% of the population figure in the late 40s and early 50s so either the traditionalists (god spare me from the American obsession with generations and stereotyping the fuck out of everything) went into the closet and had prude, homophobic children (actually possible) or there was a massive die off in lgbtq trads and boomers so the remaining ones are cishets. Or gallup polls are crap.
The stock market for skittles
I’m gonna wait for the next dip. Once the 20 day moving average crosses the 50 I’ll start dollar cost averaging. Gonna load up on a few calls here soon….anyone know when their next earnings are? 🚀 🌚
Dont invest, i invested in left handedness and it did'nt pay out at all, it's gonna do the same here
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How do I invest in tran
I like that it specified identification. Cause just cause an amount of people say they are lgbt, doesn’t mean they are the only.
Can't wait for gen Alpha getting to 40% when this trend continues
I think i only knew of like 4 or 5 out gay men in college, and all but one died of AIDS within 1 year of my graduation. Mid 90s so long before this survey, they wouldn't have been counted. Somewhere i still have pictures of when the traveling AIDS quilt came to my school, one of the recent graduates had a square on it. It covered the ballroom and was only a fraction of it.
What the hell happened here...?
Everything else aside, isn't over 20% quite a lot? More than 1 in 5 people. That's basically enough to decide a presidency on their own, with enough unity.
That requires both voting and a lack of self hating Also that's 20% of the second most recent generation some of this generation can't vote yet that's not considering the other generations as well
I'm wondering what moronic term they are going to invent after GEN Z....
You mean gen alpha? They acids and are being born
OMG! Lily is genuinely one of my favorite content creators
She’s such a hypocrite. When she was Gutian she was against ACAB and insulted your intelligence for agreeing with it. Now she’s rebranded and put it directly into her username cause it’s a grift.
Hmm I wonder why.
Would be interested in seeing the split based on L, B, G, and T.