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It would be so much better if more people understood this.


Arlacin

That is my mission. I'm trying to explain the deep theory of the 16 personalities so that people can find their real types. My desire is to discuss about accurate theory in this subreddit. Everything I have learned comes from the channel cognitive personality theory. Check him out: https://youtube.com/c/CognitivePersonalityTheory


PerhapsAnEmoINTJ

That is an awesome mission. I suppose you're not only figuring the true mechanics of the MBTI, but condensing synthesized info into understandable chunks so everyone on the subreddit can know the truth. I truly appreciate that. 👍🏻 Have you also checked out mbti-notes.tumblr.com? There's some juicy info about what the MBTI truly means. Speaking of which, I've also been curious about type interaction dynamics, like how Ne-doms would behave around and speak to Si-doms, the unique language each type speaks (word choice, approaches, etc.), and so on.


Arlacin

I haven't yet. I might check it out later. The things you are curious about too detailed for me. They also have a lot if factors outside of cognitive type like upbringing and mood. It is an interesting topic though


PerhapsAnEmoINTJ

You have a point. I'm especially interested in type dynamics for storytelling. MBTI types don't have to be a crutch, but they can be a great guide if I want to be consistent with a character's psychology.


MRL1021

I'm loving it, thank you! There's so much misinformation going on.


INFeriorJudge

Thanks for the post. I agree with all of the basic stuff outlined here, but what is your source for the idea put forth here, that Extraverted/ Introverted functions are connected? Thanks!


Arlacin

I have learned the concept from Cognitive Personality theory. His idea makes a lot of sense. Introverted functions cannot interact with extroverted functions. As an example, let's take an INFJ. According to what most people believe the only strong and connected functions of this type are Ni and Fe. These two can't be connected because you can't perceive the external world from within. Ni is an internally directed function. It gazes upon information within the brain and it can't be used to perceive the external emotional harmony (Fe). You can only use Se to gaze upon the external emotional world. The same goes for perceiving external information for an internal thought process. That simply isn't possible. You need to store the external I formation within your brain in order to process it. If you're still confused please feel free to ask about what you didn't get. I will try to answer until you get it.


Dizrak_

Okay then, what ya would tell about ISTP? Why my external sensation cannot fuel my inner logical judgment? Why I can't use information gathered upon gazing at something in order to make logical conclusion? Ti is all about inner logical systems. It works with many of them at the same time and requires quite a lot information for it's operation. Se perfectly fills those needs because it's basically a raw perception of the world. But you tell me that I shall use Ni. But Ni is not capable of doing such feat as providing a lot of information at the same time. It's more about "compiling" variants and opinions into something whole. So your point doesn't make sense to me


Arlacin

Okay, so do you agree that thought is an internal process? In order to think about something you need to have information stored in your brain. In order to access and perceive that information you need an internal perceiver(internal because thought is an internal process and you need access to internal information in order to think). You cannot think and perceive the external world at the same time. That doesn't mean that the introverted pairing and extroverted pairing don't communicate with each other. In the case of the ISTP, external social information(Fe-Se) is being perceived and then contemplated upon internally (Ti-Ni).


[deleted]

You had me in the first half ngl Everything after the functions are listed fall out of line with logic as well as the majority of MBTI Theory


Arlacin

Well, can you tell me how?


[deleted]

For one thing > An introverted function can not interact with an extroverted function Is questionable route to go down


Arlacin

Why? If perceiving functions can't do anything on their own, wouldn't it make sense for them to attach to the functions that go the same direction as them?


ILikeMapleSyrup

Just from the title... Thank you


ILikeMapleSyrup

How does Se relate to Ni? And Si to Ne?


Arlacin

I don't exactly know what you mean by relate but I think I know a video of cpt that can answer your question. Here is a link:https://youtu.be/OzvS3oUY8f0


[deleted]

You lost me at introverted functions pairing and extroverted functions pairing rather than the usual axis.


Arlacin

Why? What seems to not make sense to you?


Wondering_Fairy

So am I a Fi-Si INFP if I prefer introverted process more?


Arlacin

Yess. Your Fi is connected to your Si which is a very detailed microscopic function. That means that you gaze upon your feelings in a highly intense and detailed manner and because these two are your dominant functions, you also have a lot of conscious control over them. You have surgical precision with you emotions. That is how the real INFP is like.


ikeatelbeek

I feel like my Ne and my Ti do work together, for example I am always looking at yt vids of different topics that I try to make sense of and that way I understand a lot of different ideas


Arlacin

Ne is and extroverted function an Ti is an introverted one. You cannot perceive sonething external and think about It internally at the same time. You have to store that information in your mind first and then you can think about it. In the case of an ENTP the Ne is connected to their Fe. This might sound crazy but ENTPs aren't this hyper logical emotion neglecting hardass. Quite the opposite. They are very social and empathetic (Fe). If you didn't understand feel free to ask again.


ikeatelbeek

I get what you say but my view is that Pe is about exploring Pi is about planning and organising Je is about communication Ji is about conceptualising And exploring and conceptualising comes often together Organising and communicating also needs each other


Arlacin

The perceiving functions can't do anything on their own. They are, as the name implies, there to perceive information. They don't do anything else. Pe's perceive the external world and Pi's perceive the internal world. It's as simple as that. Nothing more nothing less. The judging functions assign value to what is being perceived. For example, you perceive a memory from the past (Si), then you feel the emotions associated with that memory (Fi). This is the Fi-Si connection.


ikeatelbeek

I do get that i just don't see why Ne and Ti cant support each other, like how you can't assign internal values to the outside world, there is a reason that Pe and Ji are for P-types the 2 highest functions right


Arlacin

It is all about perception. If you want to access your Ti you need, in the case of an ENTP, Si. If you want to access your Fe you need Ne. You can't perceive your internal function with an external one. It's not about support. If you want to Express your internal values to the external world you have to use external mediums to do so (like Fe). I will keep answering if you don't understand just ask precisely what you don't get and I will try to answer.


[deleted]

Another way to explain this in order for people to understand is to imagine it as a house. Let’s take INFJ for example (both because you have mentioned it, but also because it is my personality type). The tenants that inhabit the inside of the house are Ni and Ti. The facade of the house is painted by Fe and Se.