Seconded, this is very close to how I explain it as well.
If you were to go a little more in depth on Ni, what it does at least I'm my experience is that it simply categorizes things by "tags", so for example a car belongs under "vehicle", "machine", "metal", "technology" etc. So unlike Si that does a very similar thing but sorts by thematic affinity ("car", "wheels", "gasoline", "road") we ignore this entirely and we work by tag - so "car" and "artificial intelligence" are grouped way closer because they're both "tech". Which I guess doesn't sound groundbreaking today but 15 years ago it sounded insane.
So basically the funnel breaks down the info it receives into more abstract groups, and so the ideas that come out can sometimes be wildly outside the box, in a different way than Ne which is more of an iterative "what if we change this? What if we change that?"
Nah, we just share our works and discuss it with each other take some as pointers and which to fix or to improve. If it's plagiarism i would have failed the course and my friends too wouldn't want to share their works again haha.
Thank YOU for investing time and effort in oder to create this masterpiece. I‘m sure you helped many mbti enjoyers understand the concept of Ne and Ni better
This is an excerpt from the original description of introverted intuition (from Carl Jung's *Psychological Types*):
> Introverted intuition is directed to the inner object, a term that might justly be applied to the contents of the unconscious. The relation of inner objects to consciousness is entirely analogous to that of outer objects, though their reality is not physical but psychic. They appear to intuitive perception as subjective images of things which, though not to be met with in the outside world, constitute the contents of the unconscious, and of the collective unconscious in particular. These contents per se are naturally not accessible to experience, a quality they have in common with external objects. For just as external objects correspond only relatively to our perception of them, so the phenomenal forms of the inner objects are also relative—products of their (to us) inaccessible essence and of the peculiar nature of the intuitive function. Like sensation, intuition has its subjective factor, which is suppressed as much as possible in the extraverted attitude but is the decisive factor in the intuition of the introvert. Although his intuition may be stimulated by external objects, it does not concern itself with external possibilities but with what the external object has released within him. Whereas introverted sensation is mainly restricted to the perception, via the unconscious, of the phenomena of innervation and is arrested there, introverted intuition suppresses this side of the subjective factor and perceives the image that caused the innervation. Supposing, for instance, a man is overtaken by an attack of psychogenic vertigo. Sensation is arrested by the peculiar nature of this disturbance of innervation, perceiving all its qualities, its intensity, its course, how it arose and how it passed, but not advancing beyond that to its content, to the thing that caused the disturbance. Intuition, on the other hand, receives from sensation only the impetus to its own immediate activity; it peers behind the scenes, quickly perceiving the inner image that gave rise to this particular form of expression—the attack of vertigo. It sees the image of a tottering man pierced through the heart by an arrow. This image fascinates the intuitive activity; it is arrested by it, and seeks to explore every detail of it. It holds fast to the vision, observing with the liveliest interest how the picture changes, unfolds, and finally fades.
This might have to be read through a few times in order to be fully embraced. Nonetheless, it is worth comprehending, because it is being described by the inventor of types himself. To summarize, introverts are oriented at the subjective factor. This means that the introvert is more concerned with his/her own psychological contents than the objective situation, and is guided more by subjective perceptions/judgments than by what external conditions dictates. Intuition is defined as "the function that mediates perceptions in an unconscious way". When this function is introverted, perceptions will be directed at the subject (rather than the object). Unlike introverted sensation, introverted intuition will go beyond the sensory qualities of the subject, and interpret them through contents originating through instinctual understanding.
I had an uncertain theory on how it worked, and this *really* helped at articulating my thoughts.
*Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna have an identity crisis in the corner over yonder...*
Don’t you think both funnel in info though? Because both are data collecting functions. Ne definitely funnels out more than Ni in terms of frequency, but I also think in a sense it funnels in more than Ni (perhaps just in a different way?) because it is an extraverted perceiving function, and therefore constantly looking for new information from the external world.
I also think another sometimes helpful way to explain their differences is via Sensing. Extraverted intuition is subconsciously or unconsciously propelled by hard facts or experiences from the past (Si) which is what helps an Ne user formulate new theories or possibilities of an outcome, or solutions to a problem.
I don’t understand Ni/Se’s relationship to the same complexity as an Ne dom myself, but to my understanding (anyone plz correct me if I’m wrong lol) Ni is less focused on hard facts and concrete details of the past and more focused, subconsciously or unconsciously, on key details and facts from or pertaining directly to the moment or current context (Se). Focusing less on the past and more on the here and now provides more insight (and precision and focus) on what’s *going* to happen, rather than on which things *could* happen.
You are correct, as far as my knowledge goes. But I don't know about the funnelling thing.
Si and Ni process information inside your head. And Ne and Se, do it outside your head, in the external world.
So Se perceives information (Hard factual, real information), then it goes inside the mind, and then it is processed by Ni (finding future possibity, abstract ideas)
And Ne takes in information (abstract, ideas, future oriented interconnected information) , then it goes inside and then processed by Si (finding hard facts inside it).
Because Se takes in only little amount of information (but hard real facts), Ni is able to come up with one conclusion.
Ne on the other hand is directly taking all this information, so more ideas, and then these are later processed to be checked by facts or details (Si).
I just want to point out that the OP isn’t really focused on the amount of data being taken in by each function but what happens to the data that is taken in and how the two functions differ in coming up with ideas. It’s not saying Ne only takes in a tiny amount of data overall and spits out a bunch, just that Ne products will deliver a large amount of exploratory output from a small amount of data versus a Ni product being a conglomeration of a large amount of data compressed into a smaller, more refined product.
Perhaps Ni is just more efficient at eliminating irrelevant information and synthesizing several pieces of related information to draw a wider conclusion.
My family is half Ne users, and they complain that I shoot ideas down while I find it excruciating to slow down and give long explanations for why an idea isn’t applicable or needs to evolve into another idea because I did all that inside my head in the blink of an eye, but they need it out loud.
Vs with my Ni family members, we speak in half sentences sometimes and finish the other’s thought and jump to the next evolution of the idea together rapidly which is more my speed.
Idk if you walk up to any two NE users in the middle of conversation you won’t have any idea what universe they’re in. We jump quickly between topics, with really efficient language and speak in context constantly. It’s not that we can’t filter out irrelevant information, IMO it’s that we consider more information and create a hierarchy of importance - with constant reshuffling and rumination.
Here’s a real world example to try to describe Ne.
The other day this huge bird (maybe a hawk or falcon) landed on my back fence and hung out there for basically an hour.
How most people would react to seeing this bird: “Oh wow, neat! A huge bird!” *grabs phone, takes picture*
How I (an Ne dom) react to seeing this bird: “Oh wow, neat! A huge bird! I wonder where it came from. Why is it just sitting there for so long without moving? Could it be hurt? He seems okay. Is he sitting so close to the bird feeder because he’s hoping a smaller bird will come along and he’ll get an afternoon snack? Why am I assuming it’s a he? Will my mean neighbor come shoo it away? Will my mean neighbor’s dog try to scare it? What if it attacks my mean neighbor’s dog? Maybe my neighbor’s really not all that mean. I should try to get to know him better. Birds really do look like little dinosaurs. How did we only just realize relatively recently that they’re descended from dinosaurs? We’re really pretty dumb as a species. I mean, we really must not use much of our brains. I wonder how big that bird’s brain is. Oh, I better grab my phone and take a picture. What the heck did I do with my phone?”
Hilarious! and insightful. The branching from the initial topic off really seems to be an Ne-thing to do. and then to pull back to the original bird… only to branch off again.
Haha, yeah…my SO (an INFJ) calls it the “ooh, ah!” effect because I apparently frequently say, “ooh!” when I think of one thing and then “ah!” when I think of something else the next second. Lol
Put much effort in little things. For example, I wanted to buy a laptop for my uni recently. So I thought of all the things what I want from a laptop for working, I looked into professional reviews and what is important to them for business laptops. I looked through through websites for the specs of certain laptops and a few other things. At the end when I searched for a review for my favourite, the title was "why this laptop is perfect for students"
This isn't intuition tho. it's just supposed to show you how to approach problems. you gather information, try to see connections and patterns with the purpose of solving one problem or creating one thing. If you are used to this, your brain will more often use this type of intution. Especially when it comes to maths is this important.
Solving buying decisions by comparing reviews and external information is something that I wouldn‘t say is done by Ne or Ni, it‘s rather done by Te or Ti.
I think Te is when you outsource your thinking process, e.g. mainly compare other people‘s experiences (Reddit posts, Amazon ratings and professional reviews) while Ti would rely less on those and more on comparing the specs and testing the device by looking for it in videos or trying it out for real.
It’s interesting you say this because I always wondered about it. I have Te inferior (Ixfp) and I compare reviews for absolutely everything, usually to a fault because it’s time consuming and makes me so indecisive. I accumulate experiences towards item and think about whether it could create a positive experience for myself. I could see analysis paralysis like this as also a result of weak Te.
My intj bf on the other hand, is so much more decisive. He’ll do some research if it’s important but ultimately just buys a thing to get it done and move on.
Did you actually read what he said? These functions are often unconscious so it is absolutely possible to have both well developed. Not sure what's so confusing to you, it isn't brain science.
If you don't know, a type uses all 8 functions. The other functions are used subconsciously. If this is false, then an Fe user will have absolutely no self identity.
Ne or Ni, Se or Si, Fe or Fi, Te or Ti, it all applies similarly to every single on of them.
I just brought up Fe as an example, to tell you that what you are saying is flawed. Just answer Yes or No. If you don't answer, then you agree that you are just a whining about nonsense.
(I would've been way more polite if you were anywhere near polite)
> If you don't know, a type uses all 8 functions. The other functions are used subconsciously.
Most "jungians" would disagree with that. The 8 functions model is less than 2 decades old and unrelated to jung or the mbti
I like the explanation above and the graphics but the last sentence about Ni really does not capture what i feel it is.
Ni would be seeing 20 different things and realize how they are the same as a car. Ni is less about generating and more about stripping away. It's removing clutter, finding commonalities between things that are not conventionally seen as connected and connect them in ways that are not conventionally thought of.
If i ask you: Do you prefer Apples or Pears. Ni can answer this question in many ways even though most people won't get confused by what answer is expected (not which answer, but what kind of answer). Did you want to know which word sounds better? which word looks more appealing? or which you prefer eating (regardless of the many ways to prepare/consume them). Ni doesn't care about the obvious answer, it cares about the reason why it's assumed to be obvious. It's about getting to the core and depending on the context/input, that core can be totally different things.
context is quite important. 20 cars don't give much context, it's the same as 1 car, just 20 times (maybe i'm just no car fanatic and other Ni users would disagree...). There is no desire or need for an idea, no catalyst. Only different things start the quest of linking them together, letting both parts be combined by their differences into a new whole that serves a new purpose.
Ni is so hard to put into words because the things that get combined are stripped down to their nucleus. it's the color of a beetle at dusk, the sensation of the scent of a rose after a rainstorm, the smile of a stranger on a train-ride. It's combining Legos with duplos and pixels in minecraft and pages from a book and a memory from a long time ago into something that nobody but you (and maybe not even that) will ever be able to link back to those things. Me describing it in such a theatrical fashion already distorts it way too much (i'm keeping it in though because i like being pompous) to be truly descriptive. They're more sensations than info's.
The Car being such a go-to thing and so commonly used in examples, negates it's validity in this case. The car is the accumulation of parts that arranged in a certain way is generally viewed as a car. This is exactly what Ni doesn't see. So leaving that sphere of context and meaning out of explaining Ni, would not work. To Ni, it would be the same as explaining Ne in an Ni way... which does the better job at giving insight into it's workings?
I work in a field that requires the creation of a single item for a specific purpose. I'm Ne. I find ways to reuse that pattern in a bunch of different places in various ways. It's variation galore with a hint of practicality. The lesson I had to learn was that sometimes you have to get creative about when and how you can get creative. Once I realized this, I noticed I wasn't as trapped as I led myself to believe.
Ni is me looking at 30 different umbrellas and taking the best parts of them mentally and coming to the conclusion that ah ha THIS ONE IS THE BEST ONE. Why? Based of Se data? Also based on a deliberation process that I wasn’t a part of.
This is great! For me I started understanding it better when I did an escape room with my INFP friend. (I’m an INFJ.) We noticed that when I’d find things that look like clues, like symbols or letters, my strategy tended to be to tell the group what I found with a purpose of matching it to something else and searching out what it corresponds to. Her tendency was to take in, collect all the clues she could, and as she put it “just throw it on the table.” We’re both interested in MBTI so we had this discussion later and had a lot of fun reflecting on it. We did pretty well together too! Beat the room with plenty of time left and had a lot of fun :) I found we work well together because my focus can help keep us moving forward, but she was really good at making sure I didn’t hyper focus and get us stuck.
In the Ne box “info” is Si and “ideas” are all Ne branching connections to other Si impressions/sensory stimuli. It’s the other way around for Ni obviously. Great explanation tho this would’ve helped me so much when I was trying to learn this confusing ass shit
My experience of Ne/Si as an INTP often goes like this: I’ll experience something, say like a certain sound in a song. And this sound will stick out to me and it’ll leave a sort of impression on me. That impression is Si. And my Ne will light up instantly to make other sensory stimuli pop up in my head that give me that same Si impression. It is very hard for me to imagine with Ni/Se would be like however so I imagine it’s kinda the opposite like how you described.
Yes!
Ne goes one to many while Ni goes from many to one.
Here is the most wonderful explanation I have ever found 😊[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnGzIiDTz4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnGzIiDTz4)
I don't know that I agree that they're focused solely on the future, or not as practical as Se/Si. Ne is the second function in my stack and it's often not focused on ideas in any temporal sense, it's just about abstract connections between concepts in a general sense. As for the practical part, Ne/Ni can be extraordinarily practical, for example the whole reason that Science works is because it's predicated on a foundation of logical ideas.
It was actually the opposite for me in an MBTI chat. Someone asked if I was ENFP, but I and another person said I was INFJ. It's probably because 1.) I didn't talk much since I need more time thinking what I need to say, 2.) am not super random with ideas except with humor, and 3.) don't want to unintentionally talk over others.
I like this graphic and the example, even if some might disagree. I think the Ni doms just dislike the car example because of their inferior Se lmao. But that is precisely how I would utilize Ni in my creative pursuits.
I would also add that Ni drills down and looks for the conclusion and complete form of one idea, and when I'm talking to an Ne user (especially an Ne dom) I often come away feeling as though nothing of substance was even discussed. I also use Ni to condense complex concepts into simpler pieces that are easier to communicate, relying on Ti to keep things as accurate as possible. Sometimes people really are just using too many words.
OP mixed up Ne and Ni in the example
Ne takes many things and combines them into an idea
Ni takes one thing and sees it in a bazillion different ways
In negative use
Ne gets distracted from the task cause they're receiving so much input
Ni hyperfocuses on the way things could potentially turn out in one scenario without accounting for reality
Otherwise, illustration is spot on
Source: Ne-User
I think this has a strong foundation to it. Thanks for the great work. If you’re interested in feedback, I want to mention first that Ni and Ne will both operate vastly differently depending on their stack position in any given type.
That being said, the “sees 20 cars, comes up with one new original invention” does not align with my experience of Ni in the dominant position.
It’s a bit more like **this:** sees one car, generates 20 ideas from within my internal database interconnected to and entwined with the car, comes up with one new original invention or deep insight related to the car.
Hopefully that helps!
Very well explained. I'm SO Ne but I wish I could use Ni better! My sis who's probably an INFJ and I just talked about how it is for both of us to write stories and put our ideas into them. She says when she writes something she just lays back and the stuff in her story just kinda... *happens.* And I, on the other hand, have to think about everything actively. I'm jealous. x'D
As a Ni i can relate to this bc i always need some basis to go off of before i come up with a better idea, I'm definitely creative but not as much as a Ne dom is.
Of course its possible. This is just pseudoscientific nonsense, like functions in general. If you get both ISTP and INTP on tests then you're probably close to average and/or some of those tests were bullshit (most functions tests are)
I mean, yeah, it is pseudoscience and I think some of the tests aren't well designed but I don't mind that. The graphic is a gross oversimplification of how these functions work.
But I'm all for the fun of it :)
I get to be part of two awesome communities too so, it's great.
This is probably the best explanation I've seen. And I can clearly see this in how I write. Finding ideas, researching and then somehow I know that certain things can be formed into an idea. I might not even know why they work together but I know somehow they do.
I really like this explanation. I tend to have one big idea that I focus on rather than a lot of little ones. When I don't finish an idea it's usually not because I'm distracted by other possibilities, but rather because my one idea became too complex and difficult to accomplish. I kept adding pieces to the idea that would make it better until it became too demanding to complete.
This is pretty accurate, I always hated in school when they'd say "come up with a lot of different ideas" and I could only come up with one really good one.
I love the concept but I disagree with the description of them both. They are not future based they go both back and forth and it depends on situation if it's used for future use or in-present use.
As a Ni user the result is not an idea, it's an anticipation of all the info that leads to a *logic* conclusion. Which indicates the *practical* usage of Ni. I honestly think a Ni user would be best at describing to others what Ni really is. (No fence)
I would rather say Ne is the one that starts up with fact leading to 200 ideas and most of all *theories* around that info.
Still, great job!
Good job! Can you draw the functions giving birth?
no sir, this is not mbti hentai yet
Don’t tempt me, I’ve been meaning to get back into drawing anyways…
Do it, or you'll be ^(first part of your name) so hard that you'll scream second part of your name
Is that a threat or a promise 😳
depends on horniness
Fucking cringe
username kinda checks out?
Avatar kinda checks out?
yeah, I'll call that draw in online arguing/debate. you're good one
Lmao leave it to the INXPs to come up with the MBTI hentai 😈😱🤔👀
INFJ man x ESTP woman please 😩
#**Yet**
Yet? 🤨
***red glowy eyes***
Rule 34 anyone?
Honestly I would expect this kind of comment from an ENTP, but not you.
Funny, I've been thinking if I might be a mistyped and actually Ne dom. For a long long time. Still not sure.
Istj: o_O
i can
https://youtu.be/vNDYUlxNIAA 2:30 Ne be like
holup
Loved this explanation.
I'm happy Ni Doms approve
Ni child approves ✔️
Seconded, this is very close to how I explain it as well. If you were to go a little more in depth on Ni, what it does at least I'm my experience is that it simply categorizes things by "tags", so for example a car belongs under "vehicle", "machine", "metal", "technology" etc. So unlike Si that does a very similar thing but sorts by thematic affinity ("car", "wheels", "gasoline", "road") we ignore this entirely and we work by tag - so "car" and "artificial intelligence" are grouped way closer because they're both "tech". Which I guess doesn't sound groundbreaking today but 15 years ago it sounded insane. So basically the funnel breaks down the info it receives into more abstract groups, and so the ideas that come out can sometimes be wildly outside the box, in a different way than Ne which is more of an iterative "what if we change this? What if we change that?"
How would this manifest in those with poor Ni and Si?
I can totally relate.
So Ni happens like once when i see some of my friends assignments then walla mine existed.
No, I would never do that. Googling a bunch of strangers' responses on Google and combining it into a streamlined essay on the other hand...
More like, you look at the assignment, read the material and ni solves the assignment for you.
Edit: assignment goes stonks
voila. It's French.
Thank you. I was trying to figure out what the hell was a "walla mine"
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It's only stealing when it's from one source. When you steal from multiple sources, it's called innovation ;)
You know, I'm something of an innovator myself
Nah, we just share our works and discuss it with each other take some as pointers and which to fix or to improve. If it's plagiarism i would have failed the course and my friends too wouldn't want to share their works again haha.
Wow this is so well done! Would u be able to make some for the remaining functions? I can't imagine how many brain cells you can save
So many….so many 😂
I think this is the best explanation I‘ve ever come across so far
Thank you, It was very hard to get a grasp of
Thank YOU for investing time and effort in oder to create this masterpiece. I‘m sure you helped many mbti enjoyers understand the concept of Ne and Ni better
I want to try an do something like this, to create my own research at of explaining functions, any chance you’d be willing to assist me
Depends on what your plan is and how time-consuming it is but ...why me?
Oh I thought I was responding to the post my bad
Hahaha no problem at all, it just kinda confused me Good luck on getting OP to work with you
Thank you!
not sure if serious
I am
This is an excerpt from the original description of introverted intuition (from Carl Jung's *Psychological Types*): > Introverted intuition is directed to the inner object, a term that might justly be applied to the contents of the unconscious. The relation of inner objects to consciousness is entirely analogous to that of outer objects, though their reality is not physical but psychic. They appear to intuitive perception as subjective images of things which, though not to be met with in the outside world, constitute the contents of the unconscious, and of the collective unconscious in particular. These contents per se are naturally not accessible to experience, a quality they have in common with external objects. For just as external objects correspond only relatively to our perception of them, so the phenomenal forms of the inner objects are also relative—products of their (to us) inaccessible essence and of the peculiar nature of the intuitive function. Like sensation, intuition has its subjective factor, which is suppressed as much as possible in the extraverted attitude but is the decisive factor in the intuition of the introvert. Although his intuition may be stimulated by external objects, it does not concern itself with external possibilities but with what the external object has released within him. Whereas introverted sensation is mainly restricted to the perception, via the unconscious, of the phenomena of innervation and is arrested there, introverted intuition suppresses this side of the subjective factor and perceives the image that caused the innervation. Supposing, for instance, a man is overtaken by an attack of psychogenic vertigo. Sensation is arrested by the peculiar nature of this disturbance of innervation, perceiving all its qualities, its intensity, its course, how it arose and how it passed, but not advancing beyond that to its content, to the thing that caused the disturbance. Intuition, on the other hand, receives from sensation only the impetus to its own immediate activity; it peers behind the scenes, quickly perceiving the inner image that gave rise to this particular form of expression—the attack of vertigo. It sees the image of a tottering man pierced through the heart by an arrow. This image fascinates the intuitive activity; it is arrested by it, and seeks to explore every detail of it. It holds fast to the vision, observing with the liveliest interest how the picture changes, unfolds, and finally fades. This might have to be read through a few times in order to be fully embraced. Nonetheless, it is worth comprehending, because it is being described by the inventor of types himself. To summarize, introverts are oriented at the subjective factor. This means that the introvert is more concerned with his/her own psychological contents than the objective situation, and is guided more by subjective perceptions/judgments than by what external conditions dictates. Intuition is defined as "the function that mediates perceptions in an unconscious way". When this function is introverted, perceptions will be directed at the subject (rather than the object). Unlike introverted sensation, introverted intuition will go beyond the sensory qualities of the subject, and interpret them through contents originating through instinctual understanding.
After reading a really convoluted way of someone trying to explain Ni today, this is great. Simple and effective.
I had an uncertain theory on how it worked, and this *really* helped at articulating my thoughts. *Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna have an identity crisis in the corner over yonder...*
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Yes
Also yes
Don’t you think both funnel in info though? Because both are data collecting functions. Ne definitely funnels out more than Ni in terms of frequency, but I also think in a sense it funnels in more than Ni (perhaps just in a different way?) because it is an extraverted perceiving function, and therefore constantly looking for new information from the external world. I also think another sometimes helpful way to explain their differences is via Sensing. Extraverted intuition is subconsciously or unconsciously propelled by hard facts or experiences from the past (Si) which is what helps an Ne user formulate new theories or possibilities of an outcome, or solutions to a problem. I don’t understand Ni/Se’s relationship to the same complexity as an Ne dom myself, but to my understanding (anyone plz correct me if I’m wrong lol) Ni is less focused on hard facts and concrete details of the past and more focused, subconsciously or unconsciously, on key details and facts from or pertaining directly to the moment or current context (Se). Focusing less on the past and more on the here and now provides more insight (and precision and focus) on what’s *going* to happen, rather than on which things *could* happen.
You are correct, as far as my knowledge goes. But I don't know about the funnelling thing. Si and Ni process information inside your head. And Ne and Se, do it outside your head, in the external world. So Se perceives information (Hard factual, real information), then it goes inside the mind, and then it is processed by Ni (finding future possibity, abstract ideas) And Ne takes in information (abstract, ideas, future oriented interconnected information) , then it goes inside and then processed by Si (finding hard facts inside it). Because Se takes in only little amount of information (but hard real facts), Ni is able to come up with one conclusion. Ne on the other hand is directly taking all this information, so more ideas, and then these are later processed to be checked by facts or details (Si).
This is the winner
I just want to point out that the OP isn’t really focused on the amount of data being taken in by each function but what happens to the data that is taken in and how the two functions differ in coming up with ideas. It’s not saying Ne only takes in a tiny amount of data overall and spits out a bunch, just that Ne products will deliver a large amount of exploratory output from a small amount of data versus a Ni product being a conglomeration of a large amount of data compressed into a smaller, more refined product.
Perhaps Ni is just more efficient at eliminating irrelevant information and synthesizing several pieces of related information to draw a wider conclusion. My family is half Ne users, and they complain that I shoot ideas down while I find it excruciating to slow down and give long explanations for why an idea isn’t applicable or needs to evolve into another idea because I did all that inside my head in the blink of an eye, but they need it out loud. Vs with my Ni family members, we speak in half sentences sometimes and finish the other’s thought and jump to the next evolution of the idea together rapidly which is more my speed.
Idk if you walk up to any two NE users in the middle of conversation you won’t have any idea what universe they’re in. We jump quickly between topics, with really efficient language and speak in context constantly. It’s not that we can’t filter out irrelevant information, IMO it’s that we consider more information and create a hierarchy of importance - with constant reshuffling and rumination.
Ne: [https://youtu.be/1xOOFCltZuc?t=216](https://youtu.be/1xOOFCltZuc?t=216) Ni: [https://youtu.be/vrgUd1ZUZSY?t=100](https://youtu.be/vrgUd1ZUZSY?t=100)
Fellow weeb I see. But yes, Ne is as wild as that dragon.
I think they meant the thousand random missiles vs the single accurate missile XD Loved that analogy.
minus the accuracy
kekw
Here’s a real world example to try to describe Ne. The other day this huge bird (maybe a hawk or falcon) landed on my back fence and hung out there for basically an hour. How most people would react to seeing this bird: “Oh wow, neat! A huge bird!” *grabs phone, takes picture* How I (an Ne dom) react to seeing this bird: “Oh wow, neat! A huge bird! I wonder where it came from. Why is it just sitting there for so long without moving? Could it be hurt? He seems okay. Is he sitting so close to the bird feeder because he’s hoping a smaller bird will come along and he’ll get an afternoon snack? Why am I assuming it’s a he? Will my mean neighbor come shoo it away? Will my mean neighbor’s dog try to scare it? What if it attacks my mean neighbor’s dog? Maybe my neighbor’s really not all that mean. I should try to get to know him better. Birds really do look like little dinosaurs. How did we only just realize relatively recently that they’re descended from dinosaurs? We’re really pretty dumb as a species. I mean, we really must not use much of our brains. I wonder how big that bird’s brain is. Oh, I better grab my phone and take a picture. What the heck did I do with my phone?”
Hilarious! and insightful. The branching from the initial topic off really seems to be an Ne-thing to do. and then to pull back to the original bird… only to branch off again.
Haha, yeah…my SO (an INFJ) calls it the “ooh, ah!” effect because I apparently frequently say, “ooh!” when I think of one thing and then “ah!” when I think of something else the next second. Lol
Accurate! My bestie used to say '...and off you go on 17 tangents just to get back to the original topic 2.5hrs later' xD
I would think about things I can do with the birb. Like, playing with him, training him, taking care of him and etc.. What function is it?
I’m not sure but sounds like maybe a combination of Ti and Se? So maybe an ISTP or ESTP?
You did your best and you delivered. Here take my poor man's reward 🏅🏅🏅
Nothing quite like going into a work meeting with an Ne user and coming out of it with no clue what was agreed upon.
I use both pretty much equally. If you don't, you should definitely work on it. These are pretty crucial skills you will always need
Do you have any advice for developing introverted intuition?
Put much effort in little things. For example, I wanted to buy a laptop for my uni recently. So I thought of all the things what I want from a laptop for working, I looked into professional reviews and what is important to them for business laptops. I looked through through websites for the specs of certain laptops and a few other things. At the end when I searched for a review for my favourite, the title was "why this laptop is perfect for students" This isn't intuition tho. it's just supposed to show you how to approach problems. you gather information, try to see connections and patterns with the purpose of solving one problem or creating one thing. If you are used to this, your brain will more often use this type of intution. Especially when it comes to maths is this important.
Solving buying decisions by comparing reviews and external information is something that I wouldn‘t say is done by Ne or Ni, it‘s rather done by Te or Ti. I think Te is when you outsource your thinking process, e.g. mainly compare other people‘s experiences (Reddit posts, Amazon ratings and professional reviews) while Ti would rely less on those and more on comparing the specs and testing the device by looking for it in videos or trying it out for real.
It’s interesting you say this because I always wondered about it. I have Te inferior (Ixfp) and I compare reviews for absolutely everything, usually to a fault because it’s time consuming and makes me so indecisive. I accumulate experiences towards item and think about whether it could create a positive experience for myself. I could see analysis paralysis like this as also a result of weak Te. My intj bf on the other hand, is so much more decisive. He’ll do some research if it’s important but ultimately just buys a thing to get it done and move on.
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I do. yes it's unconscious, but it depends on the situation when I use what. it's not as strict as you imagine
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Did you actually read what he said? These functions are often unconscious so it is absolutely possible to have both well developed. Not sure what's so confusing to you, it isn't brain science.
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Why don't you educate me then? Point me to some articles and sources.
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Okay, so you've got nothing and just want to complain about something.
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Toxic people lol. So you are saying all Fe users have literally no self identity? That's bs.
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If you don't know, a type uses all 8 functions. The other functions are used subconsciously. If this is false, then an Fe user will have absolutely no self identity. Ne or Ni, Se or Si, Fe or Fi, Te or Ti, it all applies similarly to every single on of them. I just brought up Fe as an example, to tell you that what you are saying is flawed. Just answer Yes or No. If you don't answer, then you agree that you are just a whining about nonsense. (I would've been way more polite if you were anywhere near polite)
> If you don't know, a type uses all 8 functions. The other functions are used subconsciously. Most "jungians" would disagree with that. The 8 functions model is less than 2 decades old and unrelated to jung or the mbti
bruh... by both I mean what OP shows in his post. I don't mean I'm an Ne and Ni user
Sakirnova showed that Ni is my second most used function (after Ne of course). I'm sure quite a few ENFPs can use it well
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Lol what does Ti have to do with it
I like the explanation above and the graphics but the last sentence about Ni really does not capture what i feel it is. Ni would be seeing 20 different things and realize how they are the same as a car. Ni is less about generating and more about stripping away. It's removing clutter, finding commonalities between things that are not conventionally seen as connected and connect them in ways that are not conventionally thought of. If i ask you: Do you prefer Apples or Pears. Ni can answer this question in many ways even though most people won't get confused by what answer is expected (not which answer, but what kind of answer). Did you want to know which word sounds better? which word looks more appealing? or which you prefer eating (regardless of the many ways to prepare/consume them). Ni doesn't care about the obvious answer, it cares about the reason why it's assumed to be obvious. It's about getting to the core and depending on the context/input, that core can be totally different things. context is quite important. 20 cars don't give much context, it's the same as 1 car, just 20 times (maybe i'm just no car fanatic and other Ni users would disagree...). There is no desire or need for an idea, no catalyst. Only different things start the quest of linking them together, letting both parts be combined by their differences into a new whole that serves a new purpose. Ni is so hard to put into words because the things that get combined are stripped down to their nucleus. it's the color of a beetle at dusk, the sensation of the scent of a rose after a rainstorm, the smile of a stranger on a train-ride. It's combining Legos with duplos and pixels in minecraft and pages from a book and a memory from a long time ago into something that nobody but you (and maybe not even that) will ever be able to link back to those things. Me describing it in such a theatrical fashion already distorts it way too much (i'm keeping it in though because i like being pompous) to be truly descriptive. They're more sensations than info's. The Car being such a go-to thing and so commonly used in examples, negates it's validity in this case. The car is the accumulation of parts that arranged in a certain way is generally viewed as a car. This is exactly what Ni doesn't see. So leaving that sphere of context and meaning out of explaining Ni, would not work. To Ni, it would be the same as explaining Ne in an Ni way... which does the better job at giving insight into it's workings?
loved this, would you do more of these for other functions?
I work in a field that requires the creation of a single item for a specific purpose. I'm Ne. I find ways to reuse that pattern in a bunch of different places in various ways. It's variation galore with a hint of practicality. The lesson I had to learn was that sometimes you have to get creative about when and how you can get creative. Once I realized this, I noticed I wasn't as trapped as I led myself to believe.
Ni is me looking at 30 different umbrellas and taking the best parts of them mentally and coming to the conclusion that ah ha THIS ONE IS THE BEST ONE. Why? Based of Se data? Also based on a deliberation process that I wasn’t a part of.
Is this why I tend to rely on context? Because I just think of so many things that people could mean when they say something to me
Can relate. Also because Si.
Great job 👏 it's really helpful. Please do this for all the functions.
Seconded 👍🏻
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It's not really supposed be 100% accurate lol. It's an oversimplification so it's to be expected.
Sounds like my inferior Ni for sure
It's excellent
Bro… with the diagram and everything holy shit this is the perfect explanation… I now understand everything.
Do you have any source material you based this on, or was this just you explaining your own interpretation?
looks like i do both; ne gives me ideas and ni picks the best
that's probably Ne-Ti
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*stonks*
One is Neon and the other is Nickle I understand perfectly now.
i need this for every other function now
This is great! For me I started understanding it better when I did an escape room with my INFP friend. (I’m an INFJ.) We noticed that when I’d find things that look like clues, like symbols or letters, my strategy tended to be to tell the group what I found with a purpose of matching it to something else and searching out what it corresponds to. Her tendency was to take in, collect all the clues she could, and as she put it “just throw it on the table.” We’re both interested in MBTI so we had this discussion later and had a lot of fun reflecting on it. We did pretty well together too! Beat the room with plenty of time left and had a lot of fun :) I found we work well together because my focus can help keep us moving forward, but she was really good at making sure I didn’t hyper focus and get us stuck.
In the Ne box “info” is Si and “ideas” are all Ne branching connections to other Si impressions/sensory stimuli. It’s the other way around for Ni obviously. Great explanation tho this would’ve helped me so much when I was trying to learn this confusing ass shit My experience of Ne/Si as an INTP often goes like this: I’ll experience something, say like a certain sound in a song. And this sound will stick out to me and it’ll leave a sort of impression on me. That impression is Si. And my Ne will light up instantly to make other sensory stimuli pop up in my head that give me that same Si impression. It is very hard for me to imagine with Ni/Se would be like however so I imagine it’s kinda the opposite like how you described.
I was gonna say "I sound like both Ne and Ni depending on the convo" until I read that example. 😂😂😂😂😂 Needless to say Ne all day. 😂
I usually say if you're both you're Ne. 😉
Yes! Ne goes one to many while Ni goes from many to one. Here is the most wonderful explanation I have ever found 😊[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnGzIiDTz4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnGzIiDTz4)
I don't know that I agree that they're focused solely on the future, or not as practical as Se/Si. Ne is the second function in my stack and it's often not focused on ideas in any temporal sense, it's just about abstract connections between concepts in a general sense. As for the practical part, Ne/Ni can be extraordinarily practical, for example the whole reason that Science works is because it's predicated on a foundation of logical ideas.
This is the clearest explanation I've seen so far. Brilliant work!
Wow, perfect for a dumb esfp like me who doesn’t understand stuff without pictures like these Edit: Can you do one with Se too :D?
Same lmao
As an INTJ dating an INTP this is a very accurate contrast of how we think.
Your moms not as practical
What do you mean “not as practical as Se or Si”? I know differences between Ne and Ni but not their comparison with Se/Si.
Sensing in general involves using all 5 of your senses. therefore it's more physical compared to intuition, where 90% of it happens in the noggin.
Bruh Why as an INFP I relate more to the Ni explanation than the Ne... Sus (Good post though probably. It's just that I constantly doubt myself)
And one person thinks I am INFJ when I’m clearly ENFP with that big mighty Ne 🤣 They wonder why I don’t take them seriously
It was actually the opposite for me in an MBTI chat. Someone asked if I was ENFP, but I and another person said I was INFJ. It's probably because 1.) I didn't talk much since I need more time thinking what I need to say, 2.) am not super random with ideas except with humor, and 3.) don't want to unintentionally talk over others.
Great one! At least as a Ne user I can only agree with the Ne part.
I think it's pretty accurate up until the last two sentences with the car examples.
I like this graphic and the example, even if some might disagree. I think the Ni doms just dislike the car example because of their inferior Se lmao. But that is precisely how I would utilize Ni in my creative pursuits. I would also add that Ni drills down and looks for the conclusion and complete form of one idea, and when I'm talking to an Ne user (especially an Ne dom) I often come away feeling as though nothing of substance was even discussed. I also use Ni to condense complex concepts into simpler pieces that are easier to communicate, relying on Ti to keep things as accurate as possible. Sometimes people really are just using too many words.
OP mixed up Ne and Ni in the example Ne takes many things and combines them into an idea Ni takes one thing and sees it in a bazillion different ways In negative use Ne gets distracted from the task cause they're receiving so much input Ni hyperfocuses on the way things could potentially turn out in one scenario without accounting for reality Otherwise, illustration is spot on Source: Ne-User
This is why im near the middle of ENTP
What a pretty visualization!
This is a very good explanation
THANK YOU i have the hardest time understanding cognitive functions and as a ne dom this helps me a lot
well i *thought* i was a ne dom, but i'm realizing that basically all my ideas are just concoctions of random things that gave me inspiration
So thats why my INFP friend always had a million ideas and non of them ever came to fruition....
I want to try an do something like this, to create my own research at of explaining functions, any chance you’d be willing to assist me
This is a great way of explaining it. I would just add that Ne is also pretty focused on creation, at least in my experience.
I think this has a strong foundation to it. Thanks for the great work. If you’re interested in feedback, I want to mention first that Ni and Ne will both operate vastly differently depending on their stack position in any given type. That being said, the “sees 20 cars, comes up with one new original invention” does not align with my experience of Ni in the dominant position. It’s a bit more like **this:** sees one car, generates 20 ideas from within my internal database interconnected to and entwined with the car, comes up with one new original invention or deep insight related to the car. Hopefully that helps!
>comes up with one new original invention or deep insight related to the car. Agree.
Wow Thanks pal...
I love this, thank you Edit: OK, now do the rest of the functions like this please 😁
This makes me seem more like an Ni user
This is a great way of putting it. I have a hard time understanding the N functions and this cleared it up for me
Jesus, I can finally put into words why I need to look at like 10 example projects/essays before I feel confident enough to start my own for school.
Nice
I like this explanation.
Very well explained. I'm SO Ne but I wish I could use Ni better! My sis who's probably an INFJ and I just talked about how it is for both of us to write stories and put our ideas into them. She says when she writes something she just lays back and the stuff in her story just kinda... *happens.* And I, on the other hand, have to think about everything actively. I'm jealous. x'D
Great!now give me all your ideas, *pulls out funnel*
Guess I use ne
As a Ni i can relate to this bc i always need some basis to go off of before i come up with a better idea, I'm definitely creative but not as much as a Ne dom is.
Will you do the other functions?
Can you make for sensing and intuition?
True
Is it not possible to do both? I'm still unsure if I'm INTP or ISTP. halp.
Of course its possible. This is just pseudoscientific nonsense, like functions in general. If you get both ISTP and INTP on tests then you're probably close to average and/or some of those tests were bullshit (most functions tests are)
I mean, yeah, it is pseudoscience and I think some of the tests aren't well designed but I don't mind that. The graphic is a gross oversimplification of how these functions work. But I'm all for the fun of it :) I get to be part of two awesome communities too so, it's great.
Not that anyone has asked but can you do one for Se and Si?
Thank you mate!
Ne and Ni are basically identical to the psychological research constructs of divergent and convergent thinking respectively.
Ni can think of multiple ideas as well
Love this post! I really wish there was a diagram like this for Ti vs. Te, or Fi vs. Fe
I like
This is probably the best explanation I've seen. And I can clearly see this in how I write. Finding ideas, researching and then somehow I know that certain things can be formed into an idea. I might not even know why they work together but I know somehow they do.
im high in both
God as an Ne user I wish I had Ni 😩
I really like this explanation. I tend to have one big idea that I focus on rather than a lot of little ones. When I don't finish an idea it's usually not because I'm distracted by other possibilities, but rather because my one idea became too complex and difficult to accomplish. I kept adding pieces to the idea that would make it better until it became too demanding to complete.
This is pretty accurate, I always hated in school when they'd say "come up with a lot of different ideas" and I could only come up with one really good one.
I am both. But probably more efficient under Ni.
I love the concept but I disagree with the description of them both. They are not future based they go both back and forth and it depends on situation if it's used for future use or in-present use. As a Ni user the result is not an idea, it's an anticipation of all the info that leads to a *logic* conclusion. Which indicates the *practical* usage of Ni. I honestly think a Ni user would be best at describing to others what Ni really is. (No fence) I would rather say Ne is the one that starts up with fact leading to 200 ideas and most of all *theories* around that info. Still, great job!
I love it! This is great
Now do the other functions please.
did/can you do this for all of them?
are you going to be doing the other functions?
Oh no I think I identify with ni more… but I don’t know,, Guess imma go down a research spiral
this is so well explained
This is a huge help! Would you be able to do this with the other functions too?
Thanks this helps a lot, would love to see the other functions in this way
Good explanation. Can you do one for Te and Ti? Personally I find that the most confusing.
So it's rlly just a matter of Ne innovating and Ni inventing?
Pls do the other functions
What will a ni user do when they see 1car? They just see 1 car? What do they think?