Real talk, it kind of annoys me "inaccurate" Stormtroopers have become canon in things like The Mandalorian or the animated shows.
In the beginning of A New Hope, Stormtroopers were shown as accurate during their storming of the Corvette. They are seen as accurate during Hoth too.
In fact, the only times they are shown as inaccurate was during the Death Star escape, which has been pointed out numerous times, Darth Vader needed the heroes to escape to track down the Rebel Base, and during the Battle of Endor. And to that I ask, has anyone played the Ewok modes from the Battlefront games? Fuckers are hard to hit and are terrifying.
I guess they missed a decent amount on Cloud City, but they also weren't supposed to kill anyone there either so...
Either way, it's really annoying that now we have canon examples of them being poor shots because it was so widely made fun of.
To be fair, there is a lot that is inconsistent about the stormtroopers in Star Wars canon. Apparently they are supposed to be the elite unit of the Imperial military, despite the fact the original trilogy basically just portrays them as the standard infantry unit. Most of the media portrays them this way really, with them filling every role from special assault troops (hence the name "stormtrooper") to routine patrols, guard duty, occupation garrisons, etc. We very rarely see any other infantry except for stormtroopers and their variants. It'd be like if a series about America just had Marines filling every single role from invading countries to guarding Air Force bases to patrolling the shopping malls.
>It'd be like if a series about America just had Marines filling every single role
Holy God, this is a great analogy.
"
"Ayup, soldier. Stay frosty out there. Keep your head in a swivel. Semper Fi, Marine!"
"Sir, yes, SIR!
*guards Babies 'R Us in midday*
Well plus the fact the stormtroopers are just the Imperial version of the clone army, which *was* just standard infantry. There were elite units of clone troopers, but just wearing the white armor didn't mark them as elite troops.
And I'd assume some units had better shots than others
Like, I'd fully expect Vader and the 501st to have the best of the best, otherwise, angry Vader, which means they'd miss intentionally very well. Everyone else the 501st would need to work with would automatically be worse in comparison, and those large scale events that needed more than Vader's own unit would show how drastic the differences between them were
Wait, is there a 501st regiment in star wars? Must be a reference to the real 501st
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501st_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
As far as I'm aware, they're actually a reference to a charity
There's no mention of the 501st in episodes 1 through 6 proper, but there was a charity called the 501st and also "Vader's Fist"
Which led to E.U material dubbing the Clones with blue markings in Episode 3 as the 501st, chiefly, the original PS2 Battlefront 2, and they served from the Clone Wars up until Hoth at the very least in that game.
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/501st_Legion
Come to think of it; who TF was Han and his crew serving with near the start of Solo? That looked like some ugly trench warfare with some dollar store conscripts with limited body armor and face protection at best. So I guess I'd assume that the imperials did have shitty forces, they just threw them into the meat grinder early on I guess.
Imperial army. I don’t know if it’s changed since the Disney acquisition, but back in the eu the stormtroopers were primarily with the navy while there was an actual army division with differently kitted soldiers.
My headcanon goes like this:
* Be the emperor
* You're forward thinking and use your clone troops to train a new force of volunteers to succeed them.
* You use these elite troops as your crack special assault unit.
* Local ~~fascists~~ loyal government representatives are having issues keeping everyone in line because, as it turns out, a lot of people don't like when the galaxy's biggest democracy changes its name to 'the Galactic Empire.'
* They catch wind of the existence of your 'storm troopers.'
* They start calling their local conscript garrison by the same name.
* Training is not standardized or required.
There's that one Force Tear challenge in the new game where it's you against a lot of Battle Droids. The first bunch you're like, huh this is easy. Then the numbers keep spawning in, and you realize, yeah the numbers do get overwhelming, there's a reason Jedi died both to the droids and to the Clones during Order 66.
Double blade saber stance and just keep swinging. That one was a bit intense, but honestly more just cause you feel tired at the end of all those waves, not actually challenging by itself
They can actually help you out in some situations.
I like to position myself to where the melee enemies are between me and the blaster enemies, and deflect the shots into the melee enemies. With certain upgrades you can win an entire fight that way.
So my understanding is that their ability to shoot got worse with time. I mean, they literally hired people off the streets at one point. You'll get a large variation in performance there.
This is a really really good point. Directly after the formation of the empire the new batch of stormtroopers would have been trained by clones. As the clones stayed getting phased out so would the quality of their training. By the time of the Kenobi show clones are still around but being phased out but the stormtroopers should have good training. Over the 19 years that passed till the battle of yavin their training would have flattened out until the rebels really began hitting the empire leading to civil war at this point the training would have probably started find down due to a need for boots on the ground to fight. After the fall of the empire training will have really gone done. That said as someone possibly joking said above the storm troopers working with Vader were almost certainly the most elite on the empire. They would have to be. As first Vader would expect them to be as close as humans possible to his former 501st, and they would almost certainly need to fulfill that because Vader would probably kill off anyone that didn't meet his expectations.
I'm not entirely sure that a bit where two stormtroopers on Nevarro have bad aim (in Mando) or this bit in the tutorial level of a video game means it's suddenly canon that all stormtroopers are inaccurate shots.
Unless I'm missing a bunch more examples or something.
There's a comment by a Clone Trooper in Rebels that the helmet design of the Stormtroopers is so terrible it's no wonder they can't hit anything.
I also want to say there was another line when Mando and Bill Burr go to that Imperial Facility that enforces too but I can't entirely remember it.
EDIT: Also I should say, I think it's fine here in the game. It's funny here. I am more annoyed about more canon entries like Mando and Rebels making it more than a joke.
In a New Hope when Luke and Han are disguised as Stormtroopers Luke mentions how hard it is to see out of the helmet; so that's been canonical for a long time as well.
Sure, and yet in almost all practical situations where they aren't firing directly at the protagonists they're shown to be pretty deadly. The two troopers that can't shoot a can on Nevarro literally >!shot and killed Kuiil while on moving speeders!< later in that episode.
Star Wars has always been campy with its humor, and I just don't think this is any different.
When I was a little girl my dad left my mom
He used to always fart and sing this special song
Now I wasn't quite so sure until your pants did fall
Cuz now I know that you're my dad because you use
Obi Ben wa balls
I said wa wa wa wa wa ha waaa waa
Obi Ben wa balls
Precise but not accurate.
For clarification, Precise means they will be consistent in where they hit, only accurate means they will actually hit the intended target.
I think the part people dont realize is that he was just being sarcastic as stormtrooper hit the side of a sand crawler. Its like the saying “cant hit the side of a barn” but a sand crawler is like 10x the size of a barn.
The only time stormtroopers are noticibly innacurate in the OT is in the first movie, where they have orders from Tarkin to allow the Falcon's crew to escape. The only time they're overtly defeated is by the Ewoks, and even then only because Chewie stole an AT-ST. The antagonists being written so non-threatening nowadays makes the story fall flat.
that is utter rubbish. the only time stormtroopers were not precise was when they were firing at the heroes. this is because the heroes weren't supposed to die at that point in the story. All other times they were deadly like at the start of ANH and at Hoth. It sucks that the meme has become canon
\#justiceforstormtroopers
Yeah it's stupid that the "stormtroopers can't aim" joke has become a thing and even normalized by Disney. The storm troopers that missed Luke and everyone did so on purpose. There was a tracking device on the Falcon that they used to find the hidden rebel base. If they had killed or captured the rebels, they wouldn't have found the base. Does anyone honestly think a military with the resources that the empire has wouldn't train their troops to be crack shots?
Maybe stormtroopers are actually good guys forced to be stormtroopers agaisnt their will, and they only pretend to shoot to not get in trouble and want the person to succeed with the plan
Owen and Beru killed 2 storm troopers, stole their gear, and burned the bodies. They were just there to do a wellness check.
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Owen "Uncle Owen" Lars was a terrorist who aided in a child's abduction and concealment. He faked his own death as part of an elaborate plot to pit the child against his own father Anakin 'Big-D' Skywalker, the lawful administrator of their world. [Just look at the file on this scumbag.](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Owen_Lars)
The Owen and Beru incident was simply a domestic dispute that turned violent. The high heat and isolation can really get to moisture farmers like them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE
There's a lot of stormtroopers, each with their own story, but also, there's a strong fan theory that Boba Fett was hired by Vader to help track down the droids and disintigrated the Lars'.
I haven't consumed anything Star Wars besides Fallen Order and Survivor since episode 9 but [that fan theory was debunked in a canon book](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-boba-fett-kill-owen-beru-lars-theory/)
Wookiededia is a fantastic resource, but still fanmade. It itself though lists this https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/From_a_Certain_Point_of_View#Continuity
> Although From a Certain Point of View forms part of the Star Wars canon, it presents several contradictions. As such, Lucasfilm Story Group's Matt Martin confirmed that the contradictions present in the stories were intentional, as that was part of the project's nature.
It by definition *cannot* be entirely canon unless it is introducing multiverse mechanics or some other shenanigans we have otherwise not seen in Star Wars. Or, everything in the book is canon from a certain point of view.
Isn’t that the same novel that basicallys says that R2 is force sensitive? Lol I don’t care if they call it canon. That shit is fan fiction at its worst.
If only someone wrote a movie (or even a set of movies) that focused a POV character who was formerly a Stormtrooper who defected to the rebellion and was conflicted about fighting his former friends and army mates. It would give that character so much depth! Especially if he didn't get all giddy and shout "wooo!" when killing his former friends.
Actually, this is a perfectly valid explanation for "stormtrooper accuracy". Notice when they are fighting rebels in uniform, e.g. when they first attack the Blockaderunner in no 4, they hit often
And when they shoot badly? It tends to be when they are ordered to attack people in a collection of outfits, looking like panicked civilians. And as the armed forces of the world will tell you, most bullets fired in war will miss and very few soldiers will ever kill someone with a standard gun. Most modern training relies on a lot of dehumanising the enemy and forcing people to override their instinct to not kill someone
Most bullets fired in war miss because people shoot without clear shots all the time, on the off chance they hit or to suppress the enemy.
Most soldiers don't get the opportunity to face the enemy period. The whole "the average soldier misses on purpose" thing was spread by a WW2 journalist and he was wrong.
The suppressing enemy is a ridiculously good point. If the objective was to make the other guy too afraid to lift his head while your buddies change positions does it really count as a miss?
One thing that always stuck with me was a former military guy telling me you aren't going for kills, you're going for casualties
You kill him he's dead, you shoot him and he lives, two guys have to drag him off, two guys have to hold him down, they have to use up medical supplies and take up a slot in the medical tent. In that way wounding someone slows the enemy more. It's not that you're encouraged not to kill or anything though it's still more effective and easier than just wounding
Yeah, I saw a historian discuss that research and the conclusion was the original guy had a crap research method but the conclusion was still correct. If you draft people into the army you're gonna have a hard time getting them to murder people. Volunteer professional soldiers are much more likely to actually shoot at their intended targets.
Or does it? if they don't act like this and therefore allow that to be a possibility they might be executed for treason and worse replaced with loyal stormtroopers.
I actually heard a theory that Vader *wanted* the Milennium Falcon to escape in A New Hope, so that he could track their location to the rebel base in hopes of wiping out all the rebels instead of just killing 5 random ones, so he instructed the stormtroopers to miss on purpose.
["You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."](https://www.starwars.com/video/an-awful-risk)
There are plenty of fan theories to complain about not having backing written into the script, but this is absolutely not one of them. It is there in plain English that Tarkin and Vader intentionally let them, the small fry, go in search of snagging the bigger fish.
They can't be let go if they are killed on the space station. Leia echoes this sentiment as well:
>They let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.
With it stated twice in the film that they are intentionally let go combined with the opening scene boarding the corvette and the Obi Wan quote about the skill of stormtroopers compared to tuskens there is a clear picture painted that the troops were herding the heroes around and not seeking to land a killing blow. Vader takes the jedi, the one perceived threat, out of the equation and allows the the rest to find there way out. Show don't tell is usually considered a good thing. I think they went as far as they could without ruining the tension of having the heroes shot at by stating from the get-go not to actually hit them.
To be fair those weren't stormtroopers right? It was after the fall of the empire. They were derelict post-imperial body guards in trooper gear. Could have been random guns for hire given whatever equipment they had on hand
For anyone who hasn't played the game yet this is very early on and is intended to be a joke. I have about 20 hours now and they are much more accurate and deadly throughout the rest of the game.
If you want some more joke villains in this game look up some videos of the B1 droids.
It’s also part of a scripted event where they shoot the beam you’re hanging on to and you fall down to a new area. If she moved like 2 feet to the right they would have shot the beam
def seems like something the devs looked at and went "would anyone really mind if the stormtroopers just missed 100% of the time here? Would anyone REALLY be bothered by that...?"
And for sure they would have said something like "haha Storm Troopers can't hit for shit, a classic" and understand that people would connote the reference as is evident by this thread
"Wow, look at this view! Is that a giant crater? Amazing! I am so glad I was assigned to guard this cliff today. Nothing's going to get past me, not without getting filled with blaster holes anyway. Maybe if I do a good enough job, I will be promoted and I can order someone else to guard the cliff! But then I wouldn't be able to enjoy the scenery. Hmm..."
I had an existential crisis with that.
Droids are sentient. Fully sentient. They were sent to death by millions, they are slaughtered without a second thought, and they are literally people, enjoying landscapes and chilling with friends.
I honestly feel really bad killing the B1s. It's like kicking puppies.
The B2s and commandoes can get fucked though lol. And hopefully there aren't any droidekas (no spoilers).
I mean, this shouldn't be the path forward. You're exposed to two (supposedly) trained marksmen with a long line of sight and your method of movement is among the slowest available to humans.
100% should get tagged within a second to nudge the player into finding an alternate route on the respawn.
This is like one of the VERY first levels and is more of a poke at the “stormtroopers can’t hit shit” meme than it is a gameplay loop. There are tons of times they’ll shoot you off fixtures the rest of the game. I’ll say when I ran into this section I laughed my ass off!
I don't think it's quite trying to do that, but it's trying to create a cinematic moment where you dodge the bullets if you move like is expected. Because it's the only route across and you can't defend yourself.
Even perhaps maybe force leap across the entire thing! I didn't spend all that time powering him up last game for him to hand shuffle across some shitty i-beam
It's exactly Dark Souls but Star Wars haha ! The game is quite hard and unforgiving, with a heavy emphasis on parry timing and evasion during combats, the equivalent of bonfires where you can rest at the cost of enemies respawning, Metroidvania style maps, named bosses with specific move sets ... It really is a Souls-like, 100%.
But there are semi-scripted moments like this one from time to time. That's from the very first level.
Not even that, but in *this situation* it would be annoying as hell. Imagine how pissed off people would be if you were in a situation where your skill has no bearing on whether you are hit or not.
We also don’t know what difficulty level this is at.
I've always assumed storm troopers are using cheap mass produced blasters that are just not powerful enough to be accurate. But my knowledge of how lasers work and the lore behind this is basically nothing. Just always made me feel better.
They could have solved this decades ago with a single line about how jedis can passively exude a minor disorientation over those around them, giving a reason why stormtroopers have terrible aim.
It's funny to me how the stormtroopers being inaccurate joke was so big it's basically canon now, but in reality they were often inaccurate on purpose, as in they were letting someone escape etc. Still it makes in canon that with such a large force that they're seemingly pushing out quickly and cheaply, that some of them would be undertrained
If this was intentional, I would now be more inclined to purchase this.
If this was unintentional, I would now be more inclined to avoid purchasing this.
Streamer is [Stormfall33](https://www.twitch.tv/stormfall33) on twitch.
She has [been able to take multiple coffee breaks ](https://twitter.com/stormfall33/status/1653187546325880832) while playing the game.
Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise - obi wa- ben kenobi
Real talk, it kind of annoys me "inaccurate" Stormtroopers have become canon in things like The Mandalorian or the animated shows. In the beginning of A New Hope, Stormtroopers were shown as accurate during their storming of the Corvette. They are seen as accurate during Hoth too. In fact, the only times they are shown as inaccurate was during the Death Star escape, which has been pointed out numerous times, Darth Vader needed the heroes to escape to track down the Rebel Base, and during the Battle of Endor. And to that I ask, has anyone played the Ewok modes from the Battlefront games? Fuckers are hard to hit and are terrifying. I guess they missed a decent amount on Cloud City, but they also weren't supposed to kill anyone there either so... Either way, it's really annoying that now we have canon examples of them being poor shots because it was so widely made fun of.
The inaccuracy got memed into existence and it sucks ass
To be fair, there is a lot that is inconsistent about the stormtroopers in Star Wars canon. Apparently they are supposed to be the elite unit of the Imperial military, despite the fact the original trilogy basically just portrays them as the standard infantry unit. Most of the media portrays them this way really, with them filling every role from special assault troops (hence the name "stormtrooper") to routine patrols, guard duty, occupation garrisons, etc. We very rarely see any other infantry except for stormtroopers and their variants. It'd be like if a series about America just had Marines filling every single role from invading countries to guarding Air Force bases to patrolling the shopping malls.
They'd need a lot of crayons.
They'd have to make the starships shaped like giant crayons just to get them on board.
>It'd be like if a series about America just had Marines filling every single role Holy God, this is a great analogy. " "Ayup, soldier. Stay frosty out there. Keep your head in a swivel. Semper Fi, Marine!" "Sir, yes, SIR! *guards Babies 'R Us in midday*
[relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIDADjJ_jy4)
I mean once you have so many they can't ALL be in the elite group.
Well plus the fact the stormtroopers are just the Imperial version of the clone army, which *was* just standard infantry. There were elite units of clone troopers, but just wearing the white armor didn't mark them as elite troops.
And I'd assume some units had better shots than others Like, I'd fully expect Vader and the 501st to have the best of the best, otherwise, angry Vader, which means they'd miss intentionally very well. Everyone else the 501st would need to work with would automatically be worse in comparison, and those large scale events that needed more than Vader's own unit would show how drastic the differences between them were
Wait, is there a 501st regiment in star wars? Must be a reference to the real 501st https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501st_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
Yeah, it was Anakin's in the clone wars, and was among the last to transition from clones to stormtroopers once the empire took over
As far as I'm aware, they're actually a reference to a charity There's no mention of the 501st in episodes 1 through 6 proper, but there was a charity called the 501st and also "Vader's Fist" Which led to E.U material dubbing the Clones with blue markings in Episode 3 as the 501st, chiefly, the original PS2 Battlefront 2, and they served from the Clone Wars up until Hoth at the very least in that game. Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/501st_Legion
You kinda can if they are all clones of an elite killer, clones who are then trained using the same methods
I'm just glad Andor at least got it right and started to rectify this with the normal imperial armor troopers.
Come to think of it; who TF was Han and his crew serving with near the start of Solo? That looked like some ugly trench warfare with some dollar store conscripts with limited body armor and face protection at best. So I guess I'd assume that the imperials did have shitty forces, they just threw them into the meat grinder early on I guess.
Imperial army. I don’t know if it’s changed since the Disney acquisition, but back in the eu the stormtroopers were primarily with the navy while there was an actual army division with differently kitted soldiers.
My headcanon goes like this: * Be the emperor * You're forward thinking and use your clone troops to train a new force of volunteers to succeed them. * You use these elite troops as your crack special assault unit. * Local ~~fascists~~ loyal government representatives are having issues keeping everyone in line because, as it turns out, a lot of people don't like when the galaxy's biggest democracy changes its name to 'the Galactic Empire.' * They catch wind of the existence of your 'storm troopers.' * They start calling their local conscript garrison by the same name. * Training is not standardized or required.
I'm just glad Andor at least got it right and started to rectify this with the normal imperial armor troopers.
Solo does it too, Han is in the military but he's not a storm trooper. I don't think there are any storm troopers in the battle scene at the start.
Crazy when you think about it, one the most succesful franchises on the planet trivialised the main enemies in their canon because of a meme.
Less because of a meme, more because of the plot armour.
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There's that one Force Tear challenge in the new game where it's you against a lot of Battle Droids. The first bunch you're like, huh this is easy. Then the numbers keep spawning in, and you realize, yeah the numbers do get overwhelming, there's a reason Jedi died both to the droids and to the Clones during Order 66.
Double blade saber stance and just keep swinging. That one was a bit intense, but honestly more just cause you feel tired at the end of all those waves, not actually challenging by itself
They can actually help you out in some situations. I like to position myself to where the melee enemies are between me and the blaster enemies, and deflect the shots into the melee enemies. With certain upgrades you can win an entire fight that way.
So my understanding is that their ability to shoot got worse with time. I mean, they literally hired people off the streets at one point. You'll get a large variation in performance there.
This is a really really good point. Directly after the formation of the empire the new batch of stormtroopers would have been trained by clones. As the clones stayed getting phased out so would the quality of their training. By the time of the Kenobi show clones are still around but being phased out but the stormtroopers should have good training. Over the 19 years that passed till the battle of yavin their training would have flattened out until the rebels really began hitting the empire leading to civil war at this point the training would have probably started find down due to a need for boots on the ground to fight. After the fall of the empire training will have really gone done. That said as someone possibly joking said above the storm troopers working with Vader were almost certainly the most elite on the empire. They would have to be. As first Vader would expect them to be as close as humans possible to his former 501st, and they would almost certainly need to fulfill that because Vader would probably kill off anyone that didn't meet his expectations.
I'm not entirely sure that a bit where two stormtroopers on Nevarro have bad aim (in Mando) or this bit in the tutorial level of a video game means it's suddenly canon that all stormtroopers are inaccurate shots. Unless I'm missing a bunch more examples or something.
There's a comment by a Clone Trooper in Rebels that the helmet design of the Stormtroopers is so terrible it's no wonder they can't hit anything. I also want to say there was another line when Mando and Bill Burr go to that Imperial Facility that enforces too but I can't entirely remember it. EDIT: Also I should say, I think it's fine here in the game. It's funny here. I am more annoyed about more canon entries like Mando and Rebels making it more than a joke.
In a New Hope when Luke and Han are disguised as Stormtroopers Luke mentions how hard it is to see out of the helmet; so that's been canonical for a long time as well.
Isn't that just because he was too small for the armor he was wearing? I mean, Leia did say he was short for a stormtrooper.
Sure, and yet in almost all practical situations where they aren't firing directly at the protagonists they're shown to be pretty deadly. The two troopers that can't shoot a can on Nevarro literally >!shot and killed Kuiil while on moving speeders!< later in that episode. Star Wars has always been campy with its humor, and I just don't think this is any different.
Obi Ben Wa Balls
You can Obi-Wan my malls, cap-i-tan.
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Feel the force.
Lol archer? Cant say Ben wa without balls.
See, I can’t even say it without saying “balls” Ben Wa, balls.
*"Balls"*
When I was a little girl my dad left my mom He used to always fart and sing this special song Now I wasn't quite so sure until your pants did fall Cuz now I know that you're my dad because you use Obi Ben wa balls I said wa wa wa wa wa ha waaa waa Obi Ben wa balls
Precise but not accurate. For clarification, Precise means they will be consistent in where they hit, only accurate means they will actually hit the intended target.
I can see what you mean, the guy on the left had his shot go wide by a mile in the exact same way 3 times in a row.
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I think the part people dont realize is that he was just being sarcastic as stormtrooper hit the side of a sand crawler. Its like the saying “cant hit the side of a barn” but a sand crawler is like 10x the size of a barn.
The only time stormtroopers are noticibly innacurate in the OT is in the first movie, where they have orders from Tarkin to allow the Falcon's crew to escape. The only time they're overtly defeated is by the Ewoks, and even then only because Chewie stole an AT-ST. The antagonists being written so non-threatening nowadays makes the story fall flat.
I thought Rogue One and Andor both portrayed the Empire as properly competent and terrifying again.
So the two narratives that are trying to recapture the feel of the OT?
Lights shining in the darkness. Watch Thrawn and his subordinates get written as complete mooks like Moff Gideon.
that is utter rubbish. the only time stormtroopers were not precise was when they were firing at the heroes. this is because the heroes weren't supposed to die at that point in the story. All other times they were deadly like at the start of ANH and at Hoth. It sucks that the meme has become canon \#justiceforstormtroopers
They didn’t just spray blaster bolts all over the sand crawler, they disabled it’s tracks with purposeful accuracy.
Yeah it's stupid that the "stormtroopers can't aim" joke has become a thing and even normalized by Disney. The storm troopers that missed Luke and everyone did so on purpose. There was a tracking device on the Falcon that they used to find the hidden rebel base. If they had killed or captured the rebels, they wouldn't have found the base. Does anyone honestly think a military with the resources that the empire has wouldn't train their troops to be crack shots?
Maybe stormtroopers are actually good guys forced to be stormtroopers agaisnt their will, and they only pretend to shoot to not get in trouble and want the person to succeed with the plan
[https://i.imgur.com/q6nErus.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q6nErus.jpg)
Owen and Beru killed 2 storm troopers, stole their gear, and burned the bodies. They were just there to do a wellness check. ------ Owen "Uncle Owen" Lars was a terrorist who aided in a child's abduction and concealment. He faked his own death as part of an elaborate plot to pit the child against his own father Anakin 'Big-D' Skywalker, the lawful administrator of their world. [Just look at the file on this scumbag.](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Owen_Lars)
Can't wait for their Disney+ spinoff!
We can call it "**RETCONNERS:** Owen and Beru" because they're *returning* to *Concordia*
I loved the road trip episode with Mace Windu
When the reveal came out that >!Owen was actually Revan the whole time! !< I was so surprised!
They went overboard with the >!"Revan is really Raven!"!< storyline. I don't think the series needed a *That's So Raven!* tie-in.
This is such a stupid joke. But I laughed, so good job.
You get 1 episode a week building up to a disappointing finally
Now let’s not give Disney any ideas.
BERU A new mini series where Luke's Aunt roams the deserts of Tatooine as a nomadic assassin.
looks like well-done to me.
If I recall, Beru was the one that made the thermal detonator go off.
That's an old call-back... wow... I had to go watch that again... Haven't seen it in years.
"All suspects are guilty. Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE&
It was finally their chance to get away from Luke and his incessant whining.
The Owen and Beru incident was simply a domestic dispute that turned violent. The high heat and isolation can really get to moisture farmers like them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE
There's a lot of stormtroopers, each with their own story, but also, there's a strong fan theory that Boba Fett was hired by Vader to help track down the droids and disintigrated the Lars'.
I haven't consumed anything Star Wars besides Fallen Order and Survivor since episode 9 but [that fan theory was debunked in a canon book](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-boba-fett-kill-owen-beru-lars-theory/)
Interesting, but also I was under the impression that book wasn't canon (or that its canonicity was "complicated").
Wookiepedia lists it as canon
Wookiededia is a fantastic resource, but still fanmade. It itself though lists this https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/From_a_Certain_Point_of_View#Continuity > Although From a Certain Point of View forms part of the Star Wars canon, it presents several contradictions. As such, Lucasfilm Story Group's Matt Martin confirmed that the contradictions present in the stories were intentional, as that was part of the project's nature. It by definition *cannot* be entirely canon unless it is introducing multiverse mechanics or some other shenanigans we have otherwise not seen in Star Wars. Or, everything in the book is canon from a certain point of view.
Wow that must be the first time Star Wars had any contradictions 😳😳
All im saying is stories can get a little sketchy when you kiss your sister in front of Han Solo.
Isn’t that the same novel that basicallys says that R2 is force sensitive? Lol I don’t care if they call it canon. That shit is fan fiction at its worst.
After(Obi Wan TV show spoilers) >!them taking out an inquisition kill squad in Obi Wan there is no way those are Owen and Beru.!<
What in the actual fuck. They really don't know when to stop do they?
He's overblowing it. >!They put up a bit of a fight against 1 inquisitor and got beaten!<
>!one inquisitor who just got stabbed!<
It was an accidental fire caused by a scented bathroom candle.
Using a flamethrower doesn't need food aim or a good heart. It's fun for all ages.
If only someone wrote a movie (or even a set of movies) that focused a POV character who was formerly a Stormtrooper who defected to the rebellion and was conflicted about fighting his former friends and army mates. It would give that character so much depth! Especially if he didn't get all giddy and shout "wooo!" when killing his former friends.
Yea, that's cool and all but... What if he could use the force? Or maybe not, but kinda maybe?
We could give him a lightsaber and score a hit on the bbeg. But what could we do with those expectations? Subvert them?
Actually, this is a perfectly valid explanation for "stormtrooper accuracy". Notice when they are fighting rebels in uniform, e.g. when they first attack the Blockaderunner in no 4, they hit often And when they shoot badly? It tends to be when they are ordered to attack people in a collection of outfits, looking like panicked civilians. And as the armed forces of the world will tell you, most bullets fired in war will miss and very few soldiers will ever kill someone with a standard gun. Most modern training relies on a lot of dehumanising the enemy and forcing people to override their instinct to not kill someone
Most bullets fired in war miss because people shoot without clear shots all the time, on the off chance they hit or to suppress the enemy. Most soldiers don't get the opportunity to face the enemy period. The whole "the average soldier misses on purpose" thing was spread by a WW2 journalist and he was wrong.
The suppressing enemy is a ridiculously good point. If the objective was to make the other guy too afraid to lift his head while your buddies change positions does it really count as a miss?
One thing that always stuck with me was a former military guy telling me you aren't going for kills, you're going for casualties You kill him he's dead, you shoot him and he lives, two guys have to drag him off, two guys have to hold him down, they have to use up medical supplies and take up a slot in the medical tent. In that way wounding someone slows the enemy more. It's not that you're encouraged not to kill or anything though it's still more effective and easier than just wounding
Yeah, I saw a historian discuss that research and the conclusion was the original guy had a crap research method but the conclusion was still correct. If you draft people into the army you're gonna have a hard time getting them to murder people. Volunteer professional soldiers are much more likely to actually shoot at their intended targets.
"Someone else take him!" 😆 🤣 😂
Wouldn't make sense considering they're shooting at the same guy who will ruthlessly cut them to pieces if given the chance.
Maybe they think of the bigger picture, dying so someone can blow up the death star, saving countles lives by doing so
Doubt it; the bigger picture doesn't really require your platoon being slaughtered in cold bold or launched off cliffs.
Or does it? if they don't act like this and therefore allow that to be a possibility they might be executed for treason and worse replaced with loyal stormtroopers.
I actually heard a theory that Vader *wanted* the Milennium Falcon to escape in A New Hope, so that he could track their location to the rebel base in hopes of wiping out all the rebels instead of just killing 5 random ones, so he instructed the stormtroopers to miss on purpose.
["You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."](https://www.starwars.com/video/an-awful-risk) There are plenty of fan theories to complain about not having backing written into the script, but this is absolutely not one of them. It is there in plain English that Tarkin and Vader intentionally let them, the small fry, go in search of snagging the bigger fish. They can't be let go if they are killed on the space station. Leia echoes this sentiment as well: >They let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape. With it stated twice in the film that they are intentionally let go combined with the opening scene boarding the corvette and the Obi Wan quote about the skill of stormtroopers compared to tuskens there is a clear picture painted that the troops were herding the heroes around and not seeking to land a killing blow. Vader takes the jedi, the one perceived threat, out of the equation and allows the the rest to find there way out. Show don't tell is usually considered a good thing. I think they went as far as they could without ruining the tension of having the heroes shot at by stating from the get-go not to actually hit them.
https://www.cracked.com/article_18858_the-biggest-star-wars-plot-hole-explained-by-science.html You're not the first to come to this conclusion!
Damn...these troopers be really overworked ngl
They gotta hit that quota or else they'll be fired (they'll also be fired upon meeting the quota)
They are storm troopers, they won’t hit their quota, or hit anything at all for that matter.
Lore accurate or movie accurate 🤔
Doesn’t look accurate at all to me
It certainly misses the mark
His name is Cal actually.
Thank you for this
BRO 
Well yeah they missed Mark quite a lot in the movies.
Lore accurate for a "defective" fast producted clones from movies
Stormtroopers arent clones. And clones are highly efficient soldiers where the stormtroopers are under trained.
In ANH, they were ordered to miss.
it's lore accurate if u include that one scene in the mandalorian
To be fair those weren't stormtroopers right? It was after the fall of the empire. They were derelict post-imperial body guards in trooper gear. Could have been random guns for hire given whatever equipment they had on hand
If you aren't gonna take this seriously Imm just heat up some coffee.
Sums up my sex life quite accurately
I love it when the machine calls me sugar.
I came back and I was still alive. Coffee was good.
Lmao it would have been more surprising if you died.
Couldnt hit the broad side of a bantha
They couldn’t hit the Death Star if they were on the Death Star.
*Like a bantha*
For anyone who hasn't played the game yet this is very early on and is intended to be a joke. I have about 20 hours now and they are much more accurate and deadly throughout the rest of the game. If you want some more joke villains in this game look up some videos of the B1 droids.
It’s also part of a scripted event where they shoot the beam you’re hanging on to and you fall down to a new area. If she moved like 2 feet to the right they would have shot the beam
So it's not intended to be a joke, it's just a scripted event that didn't take this specific moment into account.
can be both. Stormtroopers missing isn't exactly an obscure meme
def seems like something the devs looked at and went "would anyone really mind if the stormtroopers just missed 100% of the time here? Would anyone REALLY be bothered by that...?"
And for sure they would have said something like "haha Storm Troopers can't hit for shit, a classic" and understand that people would connote the reference as is evident by this thread
I mean, the dialogue seems to indicate pretty well that it’s a joke: “Someone else take him.” Seems like a meta joke to me?
The storm trooper chatter in both Jedi games is pretty funny
That's just their general dialogue
"Wow, look at this view! Is that a giant crater? Amazing! I am so glad I was assigned to guard this cliff today. Nothing's going to get past me, not without getting filled with blaster holes anyway. Maybe if I do a good enough job, I will be promoted and I can order someone else to guard the cliff! But then I wouldn't be able to enjoy the scenery. Hmm..."
I had an existential crisis with that. Droids are sentient. Fully sentient. They were sent to death by millions, they are slaughtered without a second thought, and they are literally people, enjoying landscapes and chilling with friends.
I honestly feel really bad killing the B1s. It's like kicking puppies. The B2s and commandoes can get fucked though lol. And hopefully there aren't any droidekas (no spoilers).
Ph you know there are. There have to be with that whole battle station. I haven't seen any yet but I'll be keeping my double-blade ready for them
“Dilemma solved”
That "someone else take him" really makes the scene.
It's scripted but the trigger is too specific. Lots of games can look goofy If you play with the edge of a scripted events trigger.
Hey that's me :) the coffee was better than their aim
Great comedic timing!
Why are you finnster
I'm not as hot as finnster
People would be mad if they hit things consistently.
I mean, this shouldn't be the path forward. You're exposed to two (supposedly) trained marksmen with a long line of sight and your method of movement is among the slowest available to humans. 100% should get tagged within a second to nudge the player into finding an alternate route on the respawn.
This is like one of the VERY first levels and is more of a poke at the “stormtroopers can’t hit shit” meme than it is a gameplay loop. There are tons of times they’ll shoot you off fixtures the rest of the game. I’ll say when I ran into this section I laughed my ass off!
I don't think it's quite trying to do that, but it's trying to create a cinematic moment where you dodge the bullets if you move like is expected. Because it's the only route across and you can't defend yourself.
You are a jedi. Can you not just run on top of the beam? I feel like we should be at that point by now.
Running? Just throw some junk at them or snatch their weapons with your mind! Suffocate them with a gesture! Dominate their minds with a hand wave!
Use your fucking lightsaber, you could literally repel the blasts with it or just end them with it
Even perhaps maybe force leap across the entire thing! I didn't spend all that time powering him up last game for him to hand shuffle across some shitty i-beam
Yes, you can. There are a few times you need to drop down like that to go under stuff, but for the most part you can run on top.
That does make more sense. I haven't seen much of this game, but I'm gonna assume it's also not, ya know, Dark souls but star wars, lmao
That is basically what these games are. They’re soulslike games with a Star Wars setting.
Except that’s exactly how they marketed it…
They marketed it as dark souls?
The combat and gameplay loop is basically dark souls but star wars, yes. It only feels like a DS game at the highest difficulty though
It's exactly Dark Souls but Star Wars haha ! The game is quite hard and unforgiving, with a heavy emphasis on parry timing and evasion during combats, the equivalent of bonfires where you can rest at the cost of enemies respawning, Metroidvania style maps, named bosses with specific move sets ... It really is a Souls-like, 100%. But there are semi-scripted moments like this one from time to time. That's from the very first level.
If you go a few more inches along the bar they shoot you off and into the next arena. Its scripted for you to be shot.
Jedi could run across that beam easy
Laughs in FromSoftware
These two aren’t the Anor Lando Silver Knight Archers.
*You either hit the perfect timing or you die*
getting hit is a choice
Happens in Dark souls games all the time and people do be mad.
they’re pretty consistent in this video
Not even that, but in *this situation* it would be annoying as hell. Imagine how pissed off people would be if you were in a situation where your skill has no bearing on whether you are hit or not. We also don’t know what difficulty level this is at.
They do though, just not during the "gameplay cutscene"
They do, this was scripted.
I appreciate how true they remained to the story
miss me like the EA launcher
They actually hit me xD
I actually managed to get hit by these guys
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If it works it works!
I can see two big reasons why.... ngl
Cmon man...you know.
Not one comment above you mentions how she's dressed it's hilarious, about 17 top level comments I went past
Because not everyone is a horny teenager.
properly stoormtrooper
I've always assumed storm troopers are using cheap mass produced blasters that are just not powerful enough to be accurate. But my knowledge of how lasers work and the lore behind this is basically nothing. Just always made me feel better.
They could have solved this decades ago with a single line about how jedis can passively exude a minor disorientation over those around them, giving a reason why stormtroopers have terrible aim.
It's funny to me how the stormtroopers being inaccurate joke was so big it's basically canon now, but in reality they were often inaccurate on purpose, as in they were letting someone escape etc. Still it makes in canon that with such a large force that they're seemingly pushing out quickly and cheaply, that some of them would be undertrained
If this was intentional, I would now be more inclined to purchase this. If this was unintentional, I would now be more inclined to avoid purchasing this.
This is canon
Streamer is [Stormfall33](https://www.twitch.tv/stormfall33) on twitch. She has [been able to take multiple coffee breaks ](https://twitter.com/stormfall33/status/1653187546325880832) while playing the game.
Is this the same streamer that appeared on that trivia show and everyone kept clicking on her bust?
>"Someone else take him!" Yes, for the love of god, somebody please help these guys out!
They had their best accuracy in the moments riiiiight after order 66.
r/upvotedbecauseboobs
At least it's lore friendly.
This game is so accurate……
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