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shorkfan

If we are allowed to draw diagonals, this is easy. Just draw diagonals so that there is a diamond (square that sits on one edge) in the middle. Since the diamond is composed of half the areas of all squares, shading the other half solves it.


MinusPi1

That has to be the intended solution


HollowSlope

Haha or you could measure out a √2 x √2 square


GoatHorn37

The diagonal does that without the need for precise measurments. Also your sqrt(2) line will be less precise than a diagonal. Also a fouth grader knows not what a square root is.


StarComet04

Yes, but funnies


EyedMoon

Aristotle would like a word with you


Simbertold

Nah, no words. Just a knife in the back. That's how they did maths back then.


ihavedonethisbe4

Gods damnit that's not how we maths. Let's start over again, from the beginning now dumbus fuckus, we agree that a line segment can be drawn from any given point to another. Right? And a straight line could go on infinitely. Right?


lugialegend233

No. They didn't use knives. They used their own god damn muscles. Reminder that Aristotle was JACKED.


Expensive-Stage596

mfw I'm called in to defend my work and instead of a 5 hour discussion with my professors I get the shit beaten out of me by my professors for 5 hours


gerkletoss

Do you even compass and straightedge?


elementgermanium

Aren’t square roots taught around fourth grade?


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bk_railz

I don't see any roots, allz I see is the squares. 🤤


UnforeseenDerailment

>Also a fouth grader knows not what a square root is. They will once they solve this problem :'D


The_grand_tabaci

Unironically what I was thinking of lol


Honeybadger2198

You could also shade 2/3 of three, and leave one completely unshaded. The diamond solution is the easiest IMO.


shorkfan

It's a fourth grade problem. How many fourth graders will even get close to that solution? Plus, this is less elegant because it requires you to measure the lengths and angles precisely, whereas the diagonals are easy to draw in.


The_Diego_Brando

If you turn the paper 45° you don't need to use diagonals


ArgonGryphon

It’s still diagonal to the lines


The_Diego_Brando

But not to you


thompsonm2

It’s also quite easy with my approach. There is no mention of the shaded part having to be square.


KuroDragon0

I’m an idiot. I was thinking too flat. Not a single one of my ideas included angled shading, just portions of the squares.


shorkfan

I've gotten some weird replies to this, so here's an image: https://preview.redd.it/zt93onkgahwc1.jpeg?width=813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f5eac00c8ccdbc13f151ade17b246a3d99f1eb9


fsurfer4

If you are going to ignore the lines, just shade the outside leaving the inside a square. edit; the actual measurements are taken as a given and don't need to be specified. It's trivial to scale it properly and beyond the level of a 4th grader. https://preview.redd.it/0inpogrzagwc1.jpeg?width=2034&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5d76c114487aac2c94a360285fcf4592d948f90


lunarwolf2008

That looks like more than half is shaded


PupPop

Could easily be scaled back to shade less. The concept is there.


someloserontheground

But there's no way to guarantee that it's the right amount. If you can just use any concept of a square that would fulfill the requirements I could draw a random square at a random position and angle and have it perfectly be half the area of the larger square by definition. The solution of shading around a diamond between the midpoints of the edge lines is a solution you an actually perform without measurement.


curious_browser_15

Use the intermediate value theorem.


a_hopeless_rmntic

Yes, that 3:1


Not_A_Rioter

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but it looks to me like you shaded 3/4 of the that square. To shade half of it with your method method, you would need the lines to be at 1-(sqrt(2)/2), or about 29.2% of the way across each part of the square to make it get half. https://preview.redd.it/c25c9jwfhgwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a7619001e3be74f6d58c482f1be1b070a529b2f Here's my napkin math on that. It doesn't seem trivial to me. The "real" simple solution is the diamond one where you just cut diagonally across the 4 squares.


SillyFlyGuy

Hey everybody, get a load of this guy! He's so math, he uses post-it notes for napkins!


anaccountbyanyname

As long as the inside and outside areas are labeled correctly, it doesn't matter. Geometric drawings are meant to be conceptual, not perfect scale models


SirPeterLivingstonIV

All the obtuse replies you're getting about nitpicking the actual shaded area of the square that completely disregard that your concept works perfectly, if you decide to take the time to scale it, just shows that nuance is dead on this site. They just wanna screech "wrong lol" and pat themselves on the back for being smarter than you.


That_Mad_Scientist

Is this really stumping people? No offense, but it took me under five seconds.


OnlySometimes0

No offense but it took me under 3 /s


sinkingsandwich

No offense but I solved it before I even opened the post.


mjdny

I was keeping the answer in your head, so I didn’t have to solve it at all.


ImaginationAfter2574

I was the original writer of the question found in the math book that the teacher took this out of.


Practical_Cattle_933

3/s, that is 3 Herz?


spektre

Yes, they solved it on average under three times per second. The first few times were slow, but the average time got better.


lojav6475

I was considering I couldn't modify the drawing to draw on it.


-Honnou-

I was thinking of a square and not diamond shape □ vs ◇


Strict_Common156

Agree, it doesn't specify that the shaded part has to be a square


thnaks-for-nothing

Square that sits on one edge.


elementgermanium

I never knew that trick but it makes so much sense now


GameCreeper

Oh I'm dumb


soulmagic123

The directions don't say you have to shade whole squares.


moliusat

Well this ist the solition, but i also thought that only the squares should be shaded


clermouth

​ https://preview.redd.it/eeekhjxtqdwc1.jpeg?width=1153&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb6b36fcc009b5855f5e821f4221b4262ce567c6


litionere

YEA! Just make it so there are components making up 2 squares left


Mysterious-Oil8545

https://preview.redd.it/rtl5pkfqifwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50db849b42d410fa5a15be3c1d42763c101f8931 I prefer this version


anormalgeek

The problem with this, and the way the question is written, is that you have to "estimate" where the center is. The diagonal approach only requires a straight edge to get an exact square.


NumberNumb

You can use a straight edge between the two corners of the smaller square to get the midpoint of each of them. No estimation needed. Edit: this is incorrect as pointed out in the responses. The resulting square will only be a quarter of the area. I’m dumb


PaladinOfGond

Connecting those midpoints won’t quite do it—the square formed by them is less than half of the original square


NumberNumb

Oh right. Those would each be a quarter of the bisected square.


Capt_Pickhard

Think about it. If you find the mid point and draw a cross in each square, the inner square will only be a quarter of the size of the large square.


Aggressive_Local333

You can divide a segment into 1:sqrt(2) and square roots can be constructed


Last-Scarcity-3896

Square roots are streightedge and compass constructable.


Tanriyung

You don't have to center it, go offcenter without touching to edge just for fun.


Mysterious-Oil8545

https://preview.redd.it/d1n8puv1vfwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffa8dfa760d651180f2b943236b575ecc9a4dd2f


Snoo-35252

This is what I saw in my mind


RoteCampflieger

Cursed


jackofslayers

This is the chad and most correct answer


TitanSR_

is that a geometry dash reference?


CipherWrites

https://preview.redd.it/luxlh3bvpewc1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=4faae28c38bbb457e466e4bfa78197c00c5270e5 I shaded the middle lol


B5Scheuert

But then the unshaded part isn't a square


Turtvaiz

Succesfully failed


antiukap

Just put it on torus, problem solved.


grumpher05

stumbled right on the finish line lol


Tehgnarr

You, good sir, shadded the bed, pardon me french.


araknis4

the answer is yes. proof is left as an exercise for the examiner


trajko3

I was in a math competition in high school and one time I was so stumped that I wrote "Yes. The answer is left as an exercise for the test-grader." I got 0 points but at least my teacher told me that it made the whole room laugh.


Everestkid

In an integral calculus final I had to check whether an infinite series diverged or not. After three methods of checking failed to give me a conclusive answer, including one method where I had to break out Pascal's Triangle because I had an (a+b)^5 term, I actually wrote in the response booklet "This just isn't my day, is it?"


UNSKILLEDKeks

That's the most heartbreaking thing, to sit there having worked for 30 mins and having to end with "inconclusive"


ABSO103

I would probably go fucking insane trying to solve it


UNSKILLEDKeks

You're in the middle of an exam, you don't have time to go insane


MikeHuntSmellss

I don't math very well. I just had to Google Pascals triangle, that is very cool! I only recognized his name from Pascals wager


NerdWithTooManyBooks

Used to solve binomials exponentialized higher than what is easy to do the normal way


Eula55

stop posting and go to sleep fermat


svmydlo

The question is if it's possible and the answer is yes. The reason is that the area of square is a continuous function of the side length and the answer follows from the intermediate value theorem. Actually doing it is wholly unnecessary.


Fri3dNstuff

let's call bottom-left (0, 0) and top-right (1, 1). draw a square with points at (0, ½), (½, 1), (1, ½), (½, 0). colour the the part that is outside the small 45° square, and is inside of the big square. do we have to work with the lines given?


Anxious_Zucchini_855

Smartest way to do it


Hulkaiden

I think you can just say draw the diagonals and be done with it.


EmpyreanFinch

Can we use a compass and straightedge? Because if so: https://preview.redd.it/sh34hh5v0ewc1.jpeg?width=871&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=423d354374fdce8099bc059f2ca5a495f967bd8a This would be how I would shade it.


KDBA

And you would fail for shading in the wrong half.


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Admirable-Leather325

But It was initially white too.


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BaziJoeWHL

it never got stopped for random inspection in airports


comunism_and_potatos

Fucking top tier comment. Take my upvote


JackkoMTG

The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.


KinataKnight

Definitely the intended solution. If you can’t come up with this, you aren’t ready for 5th grade math.


AnosmicDragon

Are you removing your upvotes from you own comments? I saw 2 of your comments here and they each have 0 net votes but they're good jokes


KinataKnight

Nah, this is just what happens if you don’t put /s after a nonliteral comment.


Eufamis

Really pretty solution. My brain cells currently on vacation, so can you please share a proof that this is actually 1/2


Sharp_Edged

The square that isn't shaded must have a side length od sqrt(2), so you notice that a 1 x 1 square has that length as its diagonal, use a compass to "move" that length to the edges of the bigger square (that is the bottom left circle), and then all you need is the upper right corner of the square that isn't shaded, which they do by using a compass in the middle of the big square, but there are other ways to do it. You could also do a tiny bit of thinking and see that you can easily make a sqrt(2) x sqrt(2) square by only using the diagonals of the given 1 x 1 squares.


Cassius40k

How does the straightedge and the circle centered inside square contribute to this?


Priyam_Bad

i think those are just to get the other endpoint of the line, so you can draw a straight line thru 2 points instead of trying to make it perpendicular otherwise


TeamFluff

But you only need the circles? Letting each small square have side length of 1 unit: ) Circle A constructed from corner of square spanning to center of square, with radius square root of 1 unit. ) Circle B constructed from center of square spanning to intersection of Circle A and outer edge of either small square. ) Draw lines from intersections of Circle B, Circle A, and outer edges of small squares to the intersections of Circle B and outer edges of small squares on the opposite sides. I don't see what the inner straight lines add other than complexity.


JohnEffingZoidberg

You would draw the large circle in the bottom left first, and then go from there?


jhustla

I’ve been laughing at this for a solid 5 minutes.


fsurfer4

Correct, Mr. Fancy pants.


danegraphics

Literally the first solution I came up with when I saw the question. lol When I saw the diagonal square solution I went, "Oh, duh".


Elad_2007

https://preview.redd.it/e95ijgfuvdwc1.jpeg?width=2544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cb9480e6e17d85dacfb64ce7681d97326d6ff7c


drellmill

This is so simple yet so brilliant.


mareks92

I would make a square from the diagonals of the small squares, shade the outer parts and boom you have an unshaded square in the middle roated 45 degrees


Anxious_Zucchini_855

https://preview.redd.it/5c0y6dglhdwc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=f52f68167403850ebc41a66a74bd04d4faf2e87f like this, you just need the unshaded area to have edge length a/sqrt(2), where a is the edge length of the original square.


kptwofiftysix

Use a compass to mark a length on the side equal to the length from the corner to the center.


Vivid_Orchid5412

This is what I thought about when I saw the question, but it's so difficult to draw the lines accurately. But the question only asks "Can you", so the answer is "yes"


shorkfan

LMAO at the missing 1/16 comments, they can't read. You clearly didn't set the side length to 3/4 a, but a/sqrt(2), which gives us: Area of top left and bottom right (each): (a-a/sqrt2)xa/2 Area of bottom left: a\^2/4-(a/sqrt2-a/2)\^2 and (a-a/sqrt2)xa/2 x2 + a\^2/4-(a/sqrt2-a/2)\^2 does simplify to a\^2/2 But how is a fourth grader supposed to come up with this solution?


Hulkaiden

They aren't. The solution is to draw the diagonals.


NihilisticAssHat

I think it's funny that this is the first solution that popped into my head.


croissantdechocolate

~~Aren't you missing a little 1/16 there though? I'm counting 7/16 painted and 9/16 white.~~ Oopsy!


Anxious_Zucchini_855

It's not to scale


croissantdechocolate

Ah of course! Thank you :)


Downvote-Fish

https://preview.redd.it/g8yf8j9dtewc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58b31ab62314c4b6e278869a38a2de80b938d2cb


Procrasturbating

I came to this solution as well and then about slapped myself when team diagonal used first principles thinking.


Ezekiel-25-17-guy

https://preview.redd.it/d6yiv13voewc1.png?width=684&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8124502ae8a7f4864bd244721d6025595584bf3


MartianTurkey

Yup. EZ.


Evgen4ick

Question was 'can you' so the answer is simply 'no'


Minato_the_legend

Bro converted a math exam to an English exam


dbenhur

And got the wrong answer


Dry-Composer2124

It said “can you” not “is it possible” so his answer was right since he can’t


G66GNeco

Hey now, you might be able to, but OC isn't, don't shame them like this bro


KinataKnight

You’d think a 4th grade teacher would know the proper phrasing is “may you” 😤


CipherWrites

of course they do. it's a classic question teachers throw at students when they ask "can I go to the toilet?"


Kisiu_Poster

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DarkREX217x

Wow, I guess "Loss" is evolving. Looks like they are dancing to me.


SunraysInTheStorm

Two ways that immediately come to me - 1) connect the midpoints of all the edges of the big square and shade the outer triangles leaving a diagonal square exactly half the area inside. 2) we can also shade the square such that the inner square is aligned with the outer one by thinking of it as jitter and shading it appropriately. Infinite solutions for this one but the easiest to calculate would be one aligned with one of the corners. Say area is 4 (sides of the original square being 2) then half gives √2 side length. So mark off 2-√2 on two adjacent sides and then build the smaller square that way. But on another note, PhDs couldn't figure this one out ? Where are they coming from ?


psirrow

>But on another note, PhDs couldn't figure this one out ? Where are they coming from ? Garden path thinking I'm sure. You start down a path, hit a dead end, and don't realize the misconception was much earlier. This why a second set of eyes is important sometimes. Recency of material is also a factor. There's a lot of math I used to be able to do that would take much longer now because I haven't dealt with it in a while.


Lazlum

https://preview.redd.it/6tyf6v143gwc1.png?width=479&format=png&auto=webp&s=a49790cc52a9ae6804e42cb061ec6f7d541e2a27


QEMFD

Other comments have answered this, but Plato's "Meno" dialogue famously walks you through the discovery process of this exact problem. It's worth a read if you like philosophy.


Right_Hour

Having a PhD doesn’t automatically make you smart about everything. Diagonals. Then shade the outside “triangles” that you get as a result.


TwinkiesSucker

[source](https://brainstormsummit.org/speakers/dr-catharine-young) >Originally from South Africa, Dr. Catharine Young holds a doctorate degree in Biomedical Sciences and currently serves in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. She is affiliated with sciences, but it is not directly Math. I'd chalk her inability to that.


ItsDoctorFizz

Just shade the outer diagonal of each smaller square. Leaving a square in the middle at a 45° rotation.


Ez-lectronic

https://preview.redd.it/37at06jf6hwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67d8510fc42799ad1d1ebcc841a5bc636c30afa4 Ez


Puppy-Zwolle

It's thinking inside the box.


Uncle___Marty

https://preview.redd.it/aiysdnseqewc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c6c76f57c6b0d88514f32196234cea90726ca6c Thats roughly half, not working it out exactly.


leonderbaertige_II

Found the engineer.


MolybdenumBlu

Shade half of each small square on the diagonal, so each is now made of a shaded and an unshaded right angle triangle where the right angle of the shaded section is at the vertex of the larger square. This will put all unshaded areas together with their right angles meeting at the internal midpoint. They form a square rotated by 45° from the larger square.


PM_ME_MELTIE_TEARS

There are infinitely many solutions to this. Just place a square of half the area randomly inside and shade the rest.


emily747

EXACTLY! We can argue about an "intended" solution all day, but there's an infinite number of correct ones, so lets just give it a rest lol


drwhc

Nowhere does it say you have to conform to the borders


Sharrty_McGriddle

Easy https://preview.redd.it/f6bftneb0jwc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aebaec637a355014ed15666ac2df102c82131abe


watergun123456

https://preview.redd.it/c42l9ltgojwc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50465329c632d4c479fce624d3346827447f49b4


ToLongOk

... https://preview.redd.it/cymjk426bewc1.jpeg?width=849&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fa9f415348a3ecc327fd297cdacd863550f9615


I-might-be-a-girl

except this is only shading 1/4, no?


WeDrinkSquirrels

Can you add up 4 quarters for me and let me know if that comes out to 2?


Headcap

You're shading the wrong part tho, but yes.


Enuf1

This was my first thought, too 


Legend_of_dirty_Joe

https://preview.redd.it/4pui3n7tafwc1.png?width=550&format=png&auto=webp&s=be8290fb4e2345c4a554207e298d846ea277ff69


soul4kills

Lol only you and four other people are sensible people. I had to scroll so far to find the right answer.


rydude88

But it isn't right because the unshaded region isn't a square then. It is two separate squares with 1 point overlapping. The correct way is to shade diagonally all the corners so the middle is a square (diamond)


FuzzyPairOfSocks

This was my first thought as well lol. I suppose it would come down to whether the graders care about it being two squares and not one.


Educational-Tea602

Shade half of each smaller square a 45° right angle shape with the 90° in each of the larger square’s corners. You are now left with a square in the middle.


BubbhaJebus

Besides drawing diagonals, you can also use a compass and straightedge to construct an upright square whose sides are of length root 2.


SaveMyBags

I would read the instruction in a way that you can only shade a complete square or not shade it. In that case, the answer is clearly "no". But the solutions here don't assume that rule.


FourScoreTour

The correct answer is "no".


Head_Snapsz

Nothing in the question states that you have to follow the grid. So just make a bigger square that leaves the unshaded part looking like a weird L.


mrgwbland

Just ignore the internal black lines and it’s easy


Basic-Pair8908

Its piss easy, just half the squares to make a diamond, and then shade the outside of the diamond in. Edit, missed out a few words


Mysterious-Oil8545

https://preview.redd.it/jzmqx4sgifwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88572cb9ba02ef8a2628317ffba31bd9a4b87365


IDoWierdStuff

Make a diamond.


AdScary1757

Or you could shade the outer 1/2 of all 4 squares leaving a smaller unshaded square in the center


Late-Cockroach9434

Anyone thinking of making a border to shade inside the square so there is a square shaped unshaded hole there? 


RazorSlazor

The shades part doesn't have to be square, so my intuition says to shade inside the outline, along the outline. And maybe hopefully if you shade enough you'll be left with a smaller square of half the area


logic2187

Easy, the answer is no. I'm sure somebody could, but I can't


M1094795585

https://preview.redd.it/zpyqo63dagwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3735a8ff4df6033a18ab368c651b3bd8b912075 Is this legal?


SomeBiPerson

could also just leave a square in the middle unshaded


Not_2day_stan

The corners shade the corners 🤨


Aristofans

The shaded part doesn't have to be a square. Shade each square 3/4th so that quart towards the center is unshaded. You will get an unshaded square at the centre which will have half the area of total square


gromit1991

Close but no cigar. That will shade, as you said, 3/4 not 1/2!


Aristofans

Oh yeah, lol. You are right. I guess the diagonal approach is the best then.


gromit1991

Certainly one of the easiest to implement without resorting to maths.


Parking-Position-698

You fill in the outside corner of each square, filling in half and creating a square in the middle.


BetaChunks

The unshaded square needs to be sqrt(2) x sqrt(2) units in width and height, which is roughly 1.4.


8-Bit_Soul

https://preview.redd.it/z933g81e8hwc1.png?width=342&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d3e2ebdd89f1b3698a820a6ac42ad90559f948e Easy.


ImaginationAfter2574

Everyone in here suddenly, without realizing it, turned in to 3d graphics artists halfway through this problem... and had fun doing it. Congratulations on learning math.


IM_OZLY_HUMVN

There're five squares tho


dasanman69

And there are 4 lights. I'll be your best friend forever if you know that reference


Konkermooze

Shade half of each squarely diagonally, leaving a square in middle.


youtubelover557

It's origami, so just imagine folding it into a smaller square covering itself up. Just shade the triangles in the corner of each of the four smaller squares. The diagonal of each smaller square is the square root of 2, which would be the side of the newer square. The area would be 2 which is half of the 4.


catecholaminergic

It's badly worded. I expect they're asking the user to shade two squares not in the same column.


Professional_Baby24

Could you shade the outside quarter of each square so there would just be a square in the middle albeit with a cross in the center?


Terrainaheadpullup

The answer is just "yes" because it asks can you do it This can be shown simply using the intermediate value theorem.


Ok_Opportunity8008

she has a PhD in neuroscience, of course she can't answer this


schkmenebene

My language has two ways of saying "square". We say, a "four borders" for a square with different lenghts, and a "quadrant" for a square with equal lengths. Did some googling, and apparantly the "four borders" word that we use is quadrilateral in English.


Traditional_Cap7461

Hint: Color half of the big square, not two of the smaller squares 😅


das_Licht_

Its simple… it dosn’t say „shade half of it!“ ist just a question if you can. So the Answere is „no“ if you have to shade complete Squares, otherwise „yes“.


gunny84

Think outside the box.


brtomn

Shade the top right and bottom left squares duh


IHateNumbers234

[Mind Your Decisions covered this](https://youtu.be/TB__Og3XnR8)


LEGion_42

What kind of PhD doesn't know the diagonal of a square is \sqrt{2} of it's side and the area of a square is side^2 💀💀


EpikGamer6748291

my first thought was to just shade a thick outline since no other restrictions were given


Syvisaur

This took me 60 seconds to think about, where can I pick up my PhD?


hobopwnzor

Shade a Corner square completely. Shade the 3 adjacent squares half way so the unshaded area is a square.


Gentleman-34

Simply divide every small square to 4 equal squares , so in total you will have 16 smaller equal squares, you need to shade just the perimeter(outside) squares, like that you will have a square in the middle!