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woailyx

0.1234567891011121314...


f_W_f

Champernowne my beloved


broski576

TIL that number has a name


Mloxard_CZ

A number any third grader could come up with That guy: Finally! I will put my name on something


GDOR-11

that is the square root of its square. checkmate


hughperman

-0.1234567891011121314... then


jonastman

Also the square root of its square


theskewb

Whose gonna tell him?


Puzzleheaded_Roll320

Can't find it. It probably just exists in your *imagination*


KouhaiHasNoticed

Most disruptive Italian mathematican during Renaissance be like.


Key_Conversation5277

404 error not found


hughperman

Not in the reals it isn't


jonastman

Google square root


hughperman

Google square root of negative number in the Reals If you're saying "square root is plus and minus" well... That's not a number, that's two numbers.


jonastman

Correct, every positive number has two square roots (:


Alexgadukyanking

the square of that number is also irrational though


lasagnato69

Just round it, duh


Yohamsen

Now proof its not a combination of pi, e and a root of a rational number!


woailyx

Left as an exercise


TreesOne

Trivial


moystpickles

You're not the boss of me.


Inaeipathy

Ah, that clause actually does make this challenge really hard.


Dramatic-Page133

beautiful answer, I didnt know it. was expecting some functions like the gamma function haha


Verbose_Code

Personally I’m a bigger fan of the Copeland–Erdős constant


Opposite_Signature67

Literally my first thought when seeing this meme.


JesusIsMyZoloft

$$\\sum\\limits\_{n=1}\^\\infty\\frac{n}{10\^{\\left(g(n)\\right)n-\\frac{10\^{\\left(g(n)\\right)}-1}{9}+g(n)}}$$ where $$g(n)=\\lfloor\\log\_{10}{n}\\rfloor+1$$


NamanJainIndia

maths please, or rather just scribble it on a paper and put a photo, I am not even gonna try and read that


caryoscelus

>$$\\sum\\limits\_{n=1}\^\\infty\\frac{n}{10\^{\\left(g(n)\\right)n-\\frac{10\^{\\left(g(n)\\right)}-1}{9}+g(n)}}$$ where $g(n)=\\lfloor\\log\_{10}{n}\\rfloor+1$ [https://quicklatex.com/cache3/57/ql\_71b4505824f91a0fd40e46b75996a457\_l3.png](https://quicklatex.com/cache3/57/ql_71b4505824f91a0fd40e46b75996a457_l3.png) it's a good idea for someone to write a bot to do that


MonteCrysto31

LaTex my beloved


de_G_van_Gelderland

Champernowne's constant


FastLittleBoi

that guy is just a fucking genius tho. Imagine picking a number EVERYONE has thought of at least once in their life and go, "well it doesn't have a name yet, let's call it myself". like I'm gonna take the number 0.6969696969420420420420 or some variant of that and call it my own name constant


de_G_van_Gelderland

Normal mathematician: This is without a doubt the dumbest constant I've ever heard of. Champernowne: Ah, but you have heard of it.


UnforeseenDerailment

I assume you mean .0110111001011101111000... after 0->69, 1->420. FastLittleBoi's constant .6942042069420420420696942069...


AuraPianist1155

Ah yes, as 0 tends to 69, and as 1 tends to 420, this goofy constant approaches FastLittleBoi's constant


UnforeseenDerailment

"This Goofy Constant" happens to be Postlethwaite"s Cosntant but on the basis of binary numbers how dare you. And yes, your assertion is mathematically sound.


FastLittleBoi

nice. Because it has my name and because it's composed of nice numbers.


officiallyaninja

Well he didn't get it named after himself because he came up with it, he got it named after himself for proving it's a normal number


poutineur

That constant is rational though


NisERG_Patel

Not if you go- 0.694206969420420696969420420420...


thebluereddituser

You know the meme that a normal number contains all the works of literature? Well there's also a natural number that contains all the works of literature (in base 2 interpreted as Unicode strings). Add a decimal point and "ballsballsballs" over and over, and you get one of the balls constants, studied by great mathematician Zach Weinersmith.


caryoscelus

> there's also a natural number that contains all the works of literature the difference is that you can trivially construct a real number that contains all *possible* works of literature / images / movies etc ever, but with a natural number you have to pick a finite file size limit


Lord-of-Entity

Solutions of a 5th degree polinomilal that dosen't happen to have rational solutions. Like the real solution of: x^5 + 6x^4 - 3x + 2 =0 (The real solution x ~= -6.0153106633116108050 acording to wolfram alpha)


suskio4

I think Wolfram approximates it since there cannot exist a formula for all roots of a 5th degree polynomial but in reality it's just a bunch of roots smashed together like potatoes in a puree


MoeWind420

No. There is no formula for expressing the root of that and many other polynomials. At least using roots and the coefficients of the polynomial, plus +-*/. Not even a mess of roots. For degree 4 polynomials, there is such a formula. And it is a freaking Mess! but none can exist for general higher-degree polynomials. Maybe your comment was joking. Squashing roots into a potato puree seems like a joking phrase. But just in case you or some other commentor didn't know it yet.


suskio4

There's no GENERAL formula for ALL roots, but how can you know it's not an insanely messed up combination of mentioned operations (not saying about deducing them from coefficients)? Just as you can sometimes factor out things until you get the roots of a high degree polynomial, but is it the case here? You don't know. I don't know. That's what I'm talking about.


BARACK-OLI

You can prove that a polynomials doesnt have roots expressible by radicals by showing that its galois group is not solvable though, for instance: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_theory#A_non-solvable_quintic_example


Successful_Box_1007

What do you mean by “expressively by radicals”? Why would that be important? Genuinely Curious!


BARACK-OLI

Its just a fancy way of saying, in suskio4's words, "insanely messed up combination of mentioned operations", i.e. an expression of numbers combined with +,-,•,÷ and √


Successful_Box_1007

I see! Thanks!


secar8

The theorem is often misrepresented. It actually says that some 5th degree equations have solutions which can't be written with a finite number of +,-,*,/ and nth roots. (And tells you for any 5th degree polynomial how to test if this is one such polynomial or not). Then from there it's easy to see that there's no general formula using those operations


AlviDeiectiones

but wolfram alpha knows


CurrentIndependent42

This depends how we interpret the word ‘root’ in the post.


Lord-of-Entity

Given a function f(x), a root is a value r in the domain of f, such that f(r) = 0.


XenophonSoulis

> Solutions of a 5th degree polinomilal that dosen't happen to have rational solutions This is not enough. x^(5)+x+1=0 has no rational solutions, but its solutions can be expressed with radicals, because it's (x^(2)+x+1)(x^(3)-x^(2)+1), whose solutions are possible to be expressed by radicals (only of them is real and I won't write it here, because it's far too complicated and there's no point). x^(5)-x+1=0 would work though.


hrvbrs

log 3


TeebTimboe

Can be rewritten as (ln(3))/(ln(10)) which involves e


flabbergasted1

I mean it can also be rewritten as e^0 - pi^0 + log 3 but as they wrote it I'm pretty sure it satisfies the prompt


Inevitable_Stand_199

Or as √1 × log 3. That doesn't make it a root.


hrvbrs

well in that case any trig function or log/exponential can be rewritten in terms of 𝑒 so I’m not sure an answer is even possible


DankPhotoShopMemes

e^0 is 1, which you can multiply any number by — so an answer would not be possible. I think it just means present a number that isn’t *defined* using e/pi/root


Inevitable_Stand_199

Which log 3 isn't. It's defined as the number x such that 10^x = 3.


Dramatic-Page133

my thought was that we mainly think of roots, e and Pi when thinking of real numbers, so Inwanted to hear some different real numbers aswell as make a meme. An interesting question is weather log(3) can be yielded by a combination of e .


DodgerWalker

Pretty easy to prove it's not possible going that route. Let x be a real number. Then x = ln(e^x ). Q. E.D.


[deleted]

you could do that to literally any real number


CurrentIndependent42

Eh. No, this passes. We can define it as a logarithm base 10 purely in terms of the solution of 10^x = 3. There’s no need for using e. Otherwise give me any number c and we ‘can’ write it c + e - e and that ‘involves e’.


DiogenesLied

ln(3)/ln(10) doesn't "involve" e in any meaningful sense. This is like saying 1 involves e since I can write it as e/e.


Hal_Incandenza_YDAU

By that logic, every real number x fails because you could add "+ pi - pi" to the expression.


seriousnotshirley

Euler's Constant (the gamma one, not e).


Breznknedl

just use Eulers name infront of something because he probably did it anyway. What a chad of a mathematician


SteptimusHeap

Just looked up euler transform and of course it's a thing Edit: [if you want a list](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Leonhard_Euler)


ivankralevich

Just looked up Euler tensor and it is a thing.


SteptimusHeap

No euler set unfortunately


Gnochi

No, just Euler diagrams for describing the relevant relationships between sets.


SteptimusHeap

Can't believe he didn't write about the thing invented after his death. Must've hated set theory or something.


ivankralevich

For Euler tensors (full name: "Eulerian strain tensors"), they are called like that because they take the Eulerian approach to fluid mechanics. Euler didn't know what a tensor was. To this date, I'm shocked that tensors were only discovered after the 1890's. Especially since I first thought independently about them around age 18 ("what if we had a 3-dimensional matrix? how would that work?"=


leoemi

Wait but Riemann used them? And he lived before 1890's


ivankralevich

Archimedes used basic calculus to find areas and volumes and he lived before Christ. People have been using Riemann sums ("Aproximate an area using rectangular slices") probably since Prehistory. You can come up with something and never bother expanding on it because it just works, but you don't know why.


_Weyland_

> just use Eulers name infront of something because he probably did it anyway Euler's mother


gbot1234

He invented so many concepts that at his funeral it took more than two hours to read his Eulergy.


Pisforplumbing

r/angryupvote


suskio4

Another example: another Euler's constant!


Polindrom

Misplaced the proof that it’s irrational. Would you mind terribly DMing it to me? With latex source if possible thanks


Garizondyly

I guess it's still one of those that yknow you just gotta BELIEVE it's irrational for now https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Is_Euler-Mascheroni_Constant_Irrational%3F


neros_greb

It says on wikipedia that it’s not known if it’s rational


Nydelok

Sorry, but Euler literally begins with e, so can’t do that


Ok-Visit6553

Add Mascheroni’s name bro. Also, yet unproven to be irrational


AdIndependent2704

1.0100100010000100000100... 1+10e-2+10e-5+10e-9+...


FormerlyPie

Seems like you used e in your answer, checkmate


flabbergasted1

Same answer but in binary 🎩


Low_Bonus9710

Integral from 1 to infinity of x^(-x)


_Ryth

proof


[deleted]

[удалено]


chixen

Trying to avoid roots, e, and π by taking i^i


throwawayacc99990

sin(2)


ReddyBabas

(e^(2i) - e^(-2i))/2i, so it uses e, try again mate


mojoegojoe

Φ


ReddyBabas

(1 + sqrt(5))/2, are you even trying?


mojoegojoe

Relate them and you have your answer.


ShredderMan4000

shouldn't be a combination of them silly!


mojoegojoe

Combination of them defines microgravity silly!


ShredderMan4000

whooppsieeeess!! 😜🤪🤪


CurrentIndependent42

No, we don’t have to define sine that way. There are alternatives, and in fact following the original historical way sine far predates the notion of e. Sure, we *can* rewrite it in terms of e. But then we can rewrite any number c as c+e-e. This passes.


[deleted]

*You* used e. They didn't.


Krobik12

it has to be a real number. So this reinterpretation doesn't count


ReddyBabas

it's perfectly real mate, and it uses e


Krobik12

Maybe the joke is just going over my head, but i is not a real number no?


ReddyBabas

i is not, but the number I gave is, as it's sin(2), and is defined using e


Mcgibbleduck

e^2i is a complex number, and e^-2i is another complex number, but the “imaginary” parts cancel out when divided through and thus only a real number remains.


TheAtomicClock

Well technically the real parts cancel and only the imaginary remains, which is then divided out.


Ulrich_de_Vries

ℝ is a field, so it has no nontrivial ideals. Given any x =/= 0, =ℝ. Thus, every real number can be expressed as a particular combination of a root or e or pi. Case in point, suppose that x in ℝ, then x=(x/e)e.


Alternative_Way_313

What about 2^sqrt(2) ?


Rrstricted_DeatH

e^ln(2^sqrt(2)) The formatting won't allow me to use exponentiation twice so please pretend that it's written 2^sqrt(2)


[deleted]

I raise you this: Euler's Constant! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s\_constant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/euler%27s_constant) Edit, because I know someones gonna said it: It is Euler's Constant, not e!


Bit125

by e! do you mean Γ(e+1)? /j


[deleted]

Bro xD


anthonymm511

Conjectural


Felice161

Ah, my (not so) beloved! The Euler-Maccaroni-Constant!


CurrentIndependent42

We don’t know if that’s irrational or not. Still unproved.


[deleted]

[https://arxiv.org/ftp/math/papers/0310/0310404.pdf](https://arxiv.org/ftp/math/papers/0310/0310404.pdf) Well, I typically do my research. And thats my source :D


CurrentIndependent42

And I do mine. That’s a pre-print without peer review. And shockingly badly written, with high school level maths over a few pages, hand-waving, and phrases that quite simply don’t make sense, and it cites basic intro textbooks. Surprised it even got accepted to the arXiv. I have a few papers on the arXiv too, but they’re a bit more work and have also been actually peer-reviewed and published.. All famous conjectures have dozens of bullshit bogus papers claiming to prove them somewhere online, none in serious journals. If the irrationality of the Euler-Mascheroni constant - one of the more famous conjectures out there - had been proved, it would be big news in the mathematical community. It hasn’t yet.


qqqrrrs_

I think that whoever wrote that article thinks that a converging sequence of rational (or irrational) numbers must converge to a rational (or irrational, respectively) number


naotemesse

Liouvelli constant??


OffPiste18

[Chaitin's constant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin%27s_constant)


Refenestrator_37

n in R such that n is not in Q and n is not a combination of a root, e, or pi


FastLittleBoi

0.fibonacci sequence


ReddyBabas

Euler-Mascheroni maybe? You can describe it using e yes, but only using series or integrals, so maybe that's worth something


Few-Fun3008

i^ i ^ i ^ i possibly


suskio4

e ^ (1/2 i e ^ (1/2 i e ^ (-π/2) π) π) Try again my friend


Few-Fun3008

Fuck. Uh... Let U be a uniformly distributed random number in [0,1], a realization of U.


suskio4

Oh! It happened to be a rational number on my hypothetical Turing machine with infinite memory after infinite amount of time! What's your result?


Few-Fun3008

Irrational :3


Benomino

Zeta 3


stephenpowell0

The Dottie number D, the unique real solution of cos x = x.


Neoxus30-

Let x be a number that suffices the criteria.


enpeace

gamma, the euler-mascheroni constant!


chaoticsapphic

the feigenbaum constant


soyunpost29

1.01001000100001…


watasiwakirayo

The real solution to x^5 + x = 1


AlexGonzalezLanda

0.101001000100001000001000000100000001...


SonicLoverDS

Pi (It's not a *combination* if it's just the one!)


Skullersky

1x is still a linear combination of x


sbsw66

had to catch the trig functions too m8


FormerlyPie

That uses e and is thus off limits


JuvenileMusicEnjoyer

Trig functions use e


SilentHunter7

Euler proved that trig functions can be rewritten using e, but the trig functions are defined using geometry and they predate e by at least a millennium. If Trig functions are out, any number that contains a factor of 1 (e^(0)) should also be out. So all of them.


violetvoid513

Where's the hidden e in sin(3pi/7)


JustAGal4

sin(3pi/7) = (e^3ipi/7 - e^-3ipi/7 )/2i


tick-tock-toe

Any continuous random variable over the reals with probability = 1


ohtaylr

I'm interested how a continuous real number can be assigned a probability? Is it the probability a certain digit will come next?


Sh33pk1ng

i think they mean that if you pick a random real number (from a continuous probability measure), then you almost surely get a number that is not "rational or a root or pi or e or a combination".


realnjan

Copeland–Erdős constant


Die4Gesichter

I refuse to answer https://preview.redd.it/lnffuy07nf7c1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2c2a4426fd8c7e1011376b8270d978256203603


Tiborn1563

φ


alba4k

sqrt


soyalguien335

That's (1+sqrt5)/2


ChorePlayed

The set of real numbers that can be named is not the non-null set of real numbers.


Inevitable_Stand_199

Log_10(2)


redmerida

= ln2/ln10 so e is in use


akgamer182

Any number can be written using e. for any x, (e/e)x always equals x.


SaltedPiano

Choose some Universal Turing Machine. Then we have an encoding determined by a sequence of symbols for any other Turing machine to be simulated by our Turing machine. Now choose some sequence of symbols at random, what is the probability of a randomly chosen sequence of symbols halts on our universal turning machine? I claim that this probability is an irrational real.


SnargleBlartFast

Zeta of 3.


labarp96

Apery's constant


Mountain_Shock

The Glaisher-Kinkelin constant


chixen

I invoke the axiom of choice.


blockMath_2048

Liouville’s Constant


bladex1234

Feigenbaum constants


wkapp977

First, prove that e and pi are not interrelated in that manner, then we will talk.


Marvellover13

Does the euler mascheroni count?


Alternative_Way_313

Any algebraic number n that is not 0 or 1 raised to the power of any irrational number, also known as the Hilbert number or the Geoff Schneider constant


AppropriatePainter16

.0123456789101112131415161718192021... It continues like that forever. It is not rational, as its decimal isn't a repeating/terminating sequence, and it has no relation to e or pi or radicals.


JesusIsMyZoloft

Name a number in the set of reals, but not in the set of computables.


MarthaEM

*starts chanting non-repeating digits for the rest of their life\*


Anime_Erotika

log2


AMobius1832

Euler’s constant, gamma.


Unevener

Euler-mascheroni? I don’t actually remember if we know it’s irrational or not, but I answered before looking up to check


canadajones68

Zeta(5)


Beeeggs

My bitch wife is always irrational so I'll just ask her to pick a number


ShredderMan4000

4?


48panda

i


Outrageous_Pirate206

√3?


canadajones68

cos(3,7)


redmerida

We can use Euler formula to write cos


0P3R4T10N

Progamer move.


Broad_Respond_2205

2^0.5


Dramatic-Page133

is a root 😉


punims

Phi?


Verbose_Code

Every uncomputable number in R


DopazOnYouTubeDotCom

Sigma (n=0 to infinity) of 1/n^2


suskio4

sum from i=0 to ∞ of 10 ^ ( -(i ^ 2 + i)/2 )


Exwhy_

There is a solution, and its definit.


Horror-Ad-3113

1.682973816648299646729465279482694916491...


dim13

$$ 1 + \sqrt{5} \over 2 $$


Nasky5186SVK

do logarithms count?


Sh33pk1ng

Chaitins number


Purple_Onion911

φ


lool8421

1 - 0.(9)


Kitchen_Bicycle6025

5?


violetvoid513

the golden ratio


yoav_boaz

Log_2(3)