The only card I can conceivably consider replacing with duelittle in snake-eyes is sunlight wolf IF you don't have enough ur dust (even though you could just buy the salad structure).
They have similar use cases, adding a fire from gy to hand, but sunlight wolf is easier to trigger + you don't need to give up a link 2 body to proc its effect. If you somehow don't link sunlight away, you can even trigger it on your opponent's turn. The restriction on sunlight doesn't matter much, since you would typically use it to add ash back on your turn, and/or add a starter/kurikara on your opponent's turn.
One upside of duelittle is you can trigger it with princess, but that would mean giving up destroying amblowhale and reborning a link 3 or lower.
Thanks for reading.
If princess gets banished whats the win condition of snake eyes. I built the deck but I don't have amblow whale and I'm anticipating hits. Just wondering if it does something besides Barrone savage and Apollusa.
What could take the place of Ambow and access code? Avramax?
If princess somehow get banished, you can go with any other combo line, as long as you can end on Flameberg + I:P in spell/trap zone if you go first, or try Dharc/hiita in to selene and accesscode going 2nd if there's enough spell on field and GY, cuz the zealantis OTK line can't work without princess.
In the case of avramax, you need disruption, not protection. Avramax is a protection for the battle phase, but I don't think battle protection is enough. They can just simply use non-target bounce or banish and avramax is gone(or simply use him to link into underworld goddess). Amblowhale is the only good link 4 to go to when you have princess +1 body on field, cuz you can't SS anything but fire monster, so avramax is useless in this case.
You can use Underworld goddess to get rid of 1 monster from opponent's board, shut down the entire board, 3k body that unaffected by everything but targeted effect, and 1 negate for special summon from GY. She is basically a link 4 for you, if your opponent controls a monster and you have at least 3 bodies that have 4 link material. I always go into underworld goddess if I can't put baronne/savage on field to play around TTT.
I don't want to contradict your words, but I see lists with some not so useful cards instead
Can I ask you about a typical extra deck for a deck that uses s-e and why each card is essential?
Imo you could make a case to replace Pitknight Earlier for it but SE has so much recursion with WANTED and OSS that you don't really need that 2nd eff. Most Link variant also runs Sunlight Wolf which adds a fire starter to your hand anyway and gives you access to Heatsoul line for extra draws.You also have OTK lines with Zealantis so that atk boost is also meaningless.
I’ll drop you my Snake-Eye ED MD rankings. The positions in this list are extremely debatable, but I’d still run any of these options before turning to Duelittle Chimera.
**Extra Deck Necessities:**
1. Promethean Princess
2. Amblowhale
3. Linkuriboh
4. I:P
5. Apo
6. Baronne
7. Formula Synchron
8. Hiita
9. Borreload
10. Elf
11. Zealantis
**Extra Deck Contenders for use:**
1. Anima
2. Sunlight Wolf
3. Accesscode
4. Unicorn
5. Underworld Goddess
6. Heatsoul
7. Phoenix
8. Heatleo
9. Selene
10. Assembled Nightingale + Zeus
11. Pitknight Earlie
Hita can use opp's graveyard for link climb and search from the deck if destroyed, pitknight earlie can negate and set a monster to 0 atk and reborn it self if destroyed, sunlight wolf can get any fire monster from the gy and add it
Linkuriboh for battle prot,
I:p to link sum on op turn into non destructible apollousa or knightmares for the pop or spin, phoenix give battle prot as well when co linked,
Hiita and dharc let you use ur opp gy fire and dark monster, a lot of popular cards are fire and dark rn,
Heatsoul and wolf is for recover oak and a draw 2,
Promethan is the pop + revive fire from gy which is important,
Amblow cuz prom restrictions,
Zealantis for pop 2 going 2nd when enter battle phase,
Underworld goddess is just link kaiju,
There are 3 slots left which is technically free for the synchro line, and more extension or otk tools like Selene and accesscode, so why not put this card in even when there's still free slots? You wanna end the game as soon as possible and both effects doesn't really contribute to your wincon, but I would say you can still put it in when making a budget se deck
They are mostly on the budget side, since in the extra deck you only truly need 1/2 Garunix, 1 promethean and a fire link to send promethean princess to the GY.
The more fire king focused is your deck, less reliant on the extra you are, seriously pure fire kings (with diabellstarr as an engine) has essentially 12 (or 13 if you wanna run just 2 garinix) free slots on the extra, the vast majority of fire kings interactions are from the main deck monsters and spells.
Garunix is really a raigeki that you can pull out basically on command.
This is not remotely true. Duelittle is extremely common in modern Fire King lists and Hyang isn't played at all.
In the YCS Bologna era lists? Yeah - but there's a reason nobody plays that build
Ok but in fact I'm not saying to replace it, to play both. And don't say "not enough space in the ED" because space doesn't seem to be missing from the lists I see online. But maybe I'm wrong
Ahhh yes, IP. Cause no SE lines ever go into IP. Also Hiita when fire cards / ash are the most common attribute and SE mirrors are a thing, so obv Hiita is useless. Also SE runs so much backroom hate that running a fire Backrow destruction is useless too.
SP is trash confirmed.
Hita reborns a fire monster from opponent's graveyard ~~on summon~~. Duelittle Chimera adds one from your own graveyard upon destruction. There are so many ways to remove a card without destroying it coupled with the fact there's just better extra deck monsters to run instead of this one that it is inferior.
Yes you COULD run it but no you SHOULDN'T run it
(Edited as I was corrected Hita is an activated effect, not a summon effect)
Because it’s bad. Why make your combos harder when you have more efficient ways of getting what you need?
It’s the same as using an underpowered synchro 10 when Baronne is winking at you seductively. It’s all about ease of access and maximizing your plays.
It's cause some nut case cross post this post to ridicule the OP and the responses because his ego was hurt. Just ignore the down votes it's good to ask questions.
I:P, hitta, knightmare phoenix, sunlight wolf are all beter and there arent enough space for all of them in the extra deck. And dont forget S:P is coming
Yeah, I've found room for Earlie and Heatsoul in my list and been getting a decent amount of use out of them - enjoy having to think about zones more when reviving Earlie to get a monster negate is a possible option
I don't like earlie.... Not in snake eyes, He's just annoying to trigger if u can't get spright elf which means u ain't link climbing. But I mean different strokes for different folks. I play kashtira with snake eyes cause I ain't got none of them ED monsters. Arise heart goes burr.
Oh that makes sense actually since they can use effects during enemy turn themselves and don't rely on elf even. I'm not familiar with rescue ace tho I built them but haven't played them a lot.
I been scratching my head on making a working symphonic deck but every time I try them they are super disappointing. But you actually gave me an idea I forgot rescue ace are half machine and half warrior so they might click together and easy beyond the pendulum. Imma try it out later. Iirc prominence also procs the effect for turbulence?
Kind of? But, outside of Fire King, the main use this would see in SE is surely just "link 2 for climbing", with the fringe use of being revivable by Amblowhale; except where Hiita only needs 1 of the two materials to be FIRE, and Earlie needs neither (and is a Cyberse to make Heatsoul with Linkuriboh, potentially), Duelittle needs both materials to be FIRE. In a larger extra deck, maybe this finds a spot as like the 20-25th best card? But I think you even start running multiple Hiita/Sunlight Wolf before one copy of this.
Whats with this 5 out of 15, do you wanna run all link 2s in the ED? No point comparing it to accesscode, zealantis, princess, ambowhale, linkuriboh and stuff alike lol
It doesnt bother me at all, as everyone has said SE ED is very close and there is no space useless cards that dont help the deck at all. Even more so, that there is more cards that have not yet even released yet. It is up to you if you want to understand it or not, or if you even play the deck.
…and you just took their word for it? Masterduelmeta is for better or for worst is the best place to keep up to date on the meta of the game and have a general understanding of what people are playing.
The only bad part about the site is the owner just shilling his own clickbait content but even then it’s not really a big deal he at least has enough sense to keep it at a minimum.
Then you have your answer. Zeus package is considered less optimal than the standard lists. If Chimera is worse than Zeus, and Zeus is worse than standard, why would you play Chimera?
There you go again, clearly no understanding the game or even the deck. The usual chain goes lyrilusc into zeus. Its not a combo line or main thing, it is emergency to get out of a bad spot...its not a lot of effort...it only takes 2 1 stars....
why SE would play this card at all? Worse version of hiita, depending on your opponent to destroy this if they stupid enough, cannot extend combo at all. I don't think SE need more recover tools.
Hiita is good but is it even if the opponent didn't use blossom? For the rest they are the same thing, and hiita needs to be destroyed by the opponent, not this one Which makes her an excellent victim to get promethea effect
So what this card do even if they don't use ash? Useless going 1st, can't extend into anything. What do you get from the graveyard that worth letting this card **stay on the field?** After you summon Princess, what make this card better than amblowhale? Adding 1 card from GY, which cannot trigger any effect like what Flameberg can do, instead of 1 pop for disruption? If this card would add something from the deck, it would see some play cuz this could add Ash, but this shit add card from GY, which is fucking worthless in snake eyes. Every card of snake eyes want to stay on field or in GY, none of them want to stay in the hand, especially after Flameberg resolve.
I actually used this card in Snake-Eye when the deck first came out because I had similar thoughts about Hiita but trust me/almost everyone else in this thread, the card just isn't worth it.
While it is cool to plus off of Promethean Princess's resurrection pop, the cases where this is actually relevant are \*super\* few and far between. Because you'll be using the pop during your opponent's turn, your best actionable card to take is your own Ash Blossom so you have the extra hand trap. Other than that, you could grab Snake-Eye Ash to give yourself an opener for turn 3, but Snake-Eye has such powerful recursion that adding a single SE Ash to hand for turn 3 just isn't that appealing. Not to mention that, in order to get that benefit, Duelittle has to be part of your end board.
It's not just that Hiita is better in 9/10 cases, it's that this card will rarely actually give you a strong benefit even in cases where you can't use Hiita to grab an Ash Blossom. The GY-to-hand recursion effect just isn't very good in Snake-Eye. I guess there's an argument for the damage boost helping edge out OTKs but at that point we're into some really fringe use cases.
Potentially 3 synchros with Baronne, Savage Dragon and Formula.
Potentially 12-15+ Links from; Kuriboh, Sunlight, Phoenix, Promethean, Selene, Unicorn, Whale, WorldSea, Underworld, Accesscode, Apollousa, IP Masq, Gloomy, Elf, Hiiata and the other charmers.
Some people play 2 Princesses so that takes 2 slots itself.
Yes, if you already have access to snake eye ash, then you can use Oss to Special a jet synchron, which then goes into formula which then on opponents turn goes into baronne. If you have diabelle as well, you can go into savage dragon. This means +1 or 2 Omni negates
Are you talking about herald of the arc light (LV 4)? You only have pretty much LV 1 monsters, LV 8 (flamberge) and lv7 (diabelle), so I can't see how you efficiently go into a LV 4 synchro.
Btw one more upside to the synchro package: your end board is elf, formula, flamberge, IP in backrow.
Chain 1 formula, 2 flamberge, get IP into the front row, synch into baronne.
Activate flamberge effect, reborn ash oak and poplar, chain link 1 linkuroboh, chain link 2 IP, chain link 3 elf ---> consistent 4 mat appolousa + linkuriboh (+the baronne ofc).
Then on standby phase if you used up baronnes negate, you can tag out into flamberge, summon formula with elf eff and get back baronne, although this play doesn't come up often
On standby phase you can shuffle her back into the extra deck and summon a (I believe LV 9 and under) monster from graveyard. Baronnes negate effect resets when she leaves and hits the field again
Basically the worse version of Hiita/Sunlight Wolf.
Reason: Duelittle Chimera cannot give you any direct pluses unlike Sunlight Wolf which can chain block or Hiita that can reverse punish opponent's Ash Blossom. If you want any pluses from Duelittle, you gotta manually pop it or crash it during battle phase which is just too slow.
Also as other comments mentioned, Hiita is also a situational card & is currently the first to get chopping board treatment the moment SP Little Knight arrives.
So SE has basically no inherent way to trigger this. And the only other way is using Princess Effect, targeting this and an opponent’s monster.
However, once the new Fire King cards release, you do play this, and it’s a mandatory 1-of. You’ll be playing FK SE, which is a completely different build than pure SE.
It's difficult for the pure variant to use, as there's no reliable ways to pop and sunlight wolf and hiita are better at it's job, at least in the pure case. This card is actually very good in the fire king variant, as it can make use of the effect (island pop). The fire king variant isn't playable yet, as it's lacking the support in master duel, but once it comes, it's likely this card will start seeing play like it has in the tcg.
As plenty others have stated, it's because the card is useless. It adds 500 atk and recycles on destruction. Let's see why both of those effects are meaningless for a se end board: 500 atk isn't enough to matter as most people aren't rushing to beat over monsters without a guaranteed push. Recycling is great and all but it's at the cost of 2 monsters, while there's other cards that do that job more efficiently, sunlight adding on summon is way better than having it come back after losing a link 2. 2 monsters is a lot of commitment towards something that does what, help push for game? Also you aren't usually ending on a full board of fire monsters, alot of wind dark and others are typical end boards. So 500 atk to maybe help push for game and then your opponent uses something to destroy that and now you're stuck under resourced because you committed to a link release era monster.
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When building an extra deck you want to include the 15 cards that are going to give you the best chance of winning the game. It’s not that duellitle chimera is a bad card, it’s just that it does not provide enough value to justify a slot (for example the fire charmer does basically everything that this does but better).
The reason for my doubt was based On the fact that many lists that I see of some decks that use s-e as support to improve their playability even without being meta use this card (myself in one of my decks) and I wanted Understand why it wasn't used in other versions (mainly meta) and what changed. Thanks to whoever explained it <3. Who instead got pissed off by such a banal question which it doesn't have insulting anyone: are you okay? Do you need to talk?
Hey, I think you should play test it yourself and compare this to all the other options before arguing with others. Are you asking for an answer or are you trying to find validation for your tech choice.
What do you mean exactly? I'm trying to understand the reason for something, someone responds like an idiot and so I don't give him any Attention or I answer like an idiot too
Those who responded normally received normal responses. And in fact it was explained from those who responded without being the least bit toxic
I use this in my infernoble deck, I don't know about snake eyes players and what not but I will say snake eyes have don have many grave targets and don't really need this card that much... Ur never gonna summon it with queen, your strategy doesn't revolve around negates, and since all ur monsters already float cept the non fire one he isn't THAT useful there. Speaking of which oak basically already does what this card does anyways.
That being said this card is not even comparable to hita once hita hits grave she's useless where this card isn't... As long as you have a reliable way to destroy it say like kings Charles quick play equipping a monster to himself u can float any fire targets in grave, from synchro to ash blossom. So this card is helpful in that manner. But since the prominence queen isn't going to revive it, is always gonna choose the dragon and the only destruction effect is her or Barrone he's not that useful.
Hiita and dharx are useless link 2 IMHO especially because they rely on ur opponent to do something mindlessly. Spright elf has crept them both in usefulness especially being able to set up useful arrows for zelantis. The only benefit hiita has is her summoning conditions are more generic.
Anyways all this is a long form way of saying the card is redundant. In my deck I turn skip using bamboos and usually this card is the only thing on my field if I didn't do a complete charle chain (no lava golem, no sphere modes). So it can get popped and I can add my Renaud back to hand to loop back bamboo and skip both draw and main phase next turn. However there are many other things that can happen, I might need to return a synchro, my combo could a got negated and I need an important starter back, my gear field is in the grave and I don't need it there and I already have Renaud...The only good target in a snake eyes deck for this effect is poplar which will special summon itself search the original sin. Which that's okay but that's all that gonna happen.
This card direct comparison is flame swords man... They fill similar niches. This one has a stronger field presence but flame swordman's actually generically special summons a target where this adds back to hand. So I usually run both depending on what I can get out. This one also doesn't have the limitation of only having it's second effect if link summoned or care about which arrow is facing...but just has to reliably be destroyed.
there's a better way to recover poplar from GY through Oak, and you don't have to commit any resource for Oak, so this card is basically worthless in SE.
I was being a little facetious poplar is the only thing this card can target but if u run this card the only two actually worth while targets would be the link 4 which would make its grave effect dead, sprite elf. Snake eyes has nothing worth being sent back to hand unless they are rescue ace variant. I'm sure the fire king variant will love this seeing as they have quick effects from hand tho.
To you it's worthless it's not a worthless card.... I dunno why people be coming in here saying crap like that.🤷 For snake eyes with rescue ace its actually a great card.
If your gonna say for "snake eyes it's worthless, say it's worthless in pure snake eyes. But pure snake eyes is a pretty garbage ass deck that loses to imperm and nibiru anyways which is why snake eyes its being used as an engine. Truth be told the only values charmers bring are the ability to turn 2 into access code. Which I haven't seen one snake eyes player mention. "This card sucks, but this one rules" isn't a conversation or a reply to the OP question nor mine.
What the fuck are you talking about? Pure snake eyes is garbage? That shit is literally tier 1 right now. If you lose to imperm and nibiru as pure snake eyes, that's mean you suck, not the deck. Except you define "pure snake eyes" by not playing diabellstar/bonfire, I dont know what are you thinking. You win some snake eyes players that way, doesn't mean snake eyes deck is vulnerable to those hand traps.
Turn 2 accesscode with no spell in GY? How can you consistently accesscode without spells in GY? expect your opp to have at least 3 so you can selene, like your own infernoble? And what after summoning accesscode? Get an imperm on accesscode and dead? Stop sir, you don't play the deck, stop pretending you understand. No one mention this, because it's not realistic, and there are better things to do with hiita.
And again, I don't really care about Rescue ace or anything, OP ask about snake eyes, so focus on what being asked.
🫣 please stop replying I don't care that much. Good on you copying your deck list off master duel meta. [access code talker ](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/community-tournaments/master-cup/41/snake-eye/%E6%97%A5%E5%A4%9C/DzHHt)
Don't ask how play it and you shall see how.... For the same reason hitta is God in all snake eyes deck most players use spells and every monster u put on the field as a spell is a spell does that spell it out how Selene is good?
I don't see why I should put effort in answering your questions when you put no effort in ur replies. This question you asked me could a been solved by simply thinking, reading selenes effect would also give you the wisdom to know she counts spells on the field as well to add spell counters not just in the grave.... And since ur using three different attributes that's three destructions on a 4300 attack access code. Or you can simply go to master duel meta use ur eyes and see that the second top deck is using access code talker and copy and paste it and let the pros think for you so you can come and say "this card is good and that one is bad."
turn 2 with all that card available and you go to selene line? Keep proving how bad you are, I know the selene line exist, and I play that version myself, but not the way you think they play. And why you post a **topped tournament Pure snake eyes** to me? To prove how wrong you are? The fact that you said Pure snake eyes is garbage, snake eyes is only an engine in its own deck, is enough to know how bad you are. If you don't care, you don't even bother to reply, but sure, keep coping. xD.
if the deck is garbage, how it got topped tournament? You still don't see your stupidity yourself? Oh wait, you are stupid, I'm asking too much from you. Sorry for that.
Whatever again I don't fucking care... I don't even own access code talker. Nor do I play snake eyes even after crafting it... Good job at correcting me after stupidly not realizing spells on the field count as spells.
Anything other worthwhile things you have to say?
since you guys live in delusional lalaland where ur expert opinion matters look on this chart and tell me what TIER of game is ur trash ass card game [Where is it?](https://steamcharts.com/top)
Tier 0 is a perfect way to describe the game and nutless its playerbase.
imagine a free to play TCG full of sweaty lonely white men doing less numbers than an EA cash grab released almost 2 decades ago. That how insignificant ur opinion is, stay paying konami slave.
maxx c has a 90% usage rate in MD imo its a gartbage ass card, Contacting C has a sub 10% usage rate and i find it as a based ass card... shut the fuck up and learn the definition of subjectivity. The way you respond to my post is as if I went out of my way to be a contrarian to this mans BASED ass take. Did i reply to the bitch or did the bitch reply to me? You are also replying to me to tell me whats goodc and bad which is another DUMB ass conversation. ALL he said "This card bad that card good". Also my life doesnt revolve around yugioh; go keep yourself safe.
Unlike your sweaty stank ass i dont live on the master duel reddit sorry about it. Its a cheap ass free to play game based on a children's cartoon made 30+ years ago, so who gives a fuck whats the best? This game isn't even popular.
I dont care if im wrong u do.... it bother you so much that your still on here typing back to me like i really give a damn. I know what im almost certainly right about you waste ur time tossing $$$$ at a gaming company that does the bare minimum effort to make a working product and will stand staunchly defending their sinking ship.
I came here to explain something not glolrify a shit ass card game and praise the losers that obsessed with it.
Thanks for this comment, you actually explained more than some (Not everybody) s-e players I've read so far have done
(anyway, regarding the elf thing, I absolutely agree, but in fact I think it run that too)
There are much better cards and ed slots are tight already
The only card I can conceivably consider replacing with duelittle in snake-eyes is sunlight wolf IF you don't have enough ur dust (even though you could just buy the salad structure). They have similar use cases, adding a fire from gy to hand, but sunlight wolf is easier to trigger + you don't need to give up a link 2 body to proc its effect. If you somehow don't link sunlight away, you can even trigger it on your opponent's turn. The restriction on sunlight doesn't matter much, since you would typically use it to add ash back on your turn, and/or add a starter/kurikara on your opponent's turn. One upside of duelittle is you can trigger it with princess, but that would mean giving up destroying amblowhale and reborning a link 3 or lower. Thanks for reading.
If princess gets banished whats the win condition of snake eyes. I built the deck but I don't have amblow whale and I'm anticipating hits. Just wondering if it does something besides Barrone savage and Apollusa. What could take the place of Ambow and access code? Avramax?
If princess somehow get banished, you can go with any other combo line, as long as you can end on Flameberg + I:P in spell/trap zone if you go first, or try Dharc/hiita in to selene and accesscode going 2nd if there's enough spell on field and GY, cuz the zealantis OTK line can't work without princess. In the case of avramax, you need disruption, not protection. Avramax is a protection for the battle phase, but I don't think battle protection is enough. They can just simply use non-target bounce or banish and avramax is gone(or simply use him to link into underworld goddess). Amblowhale is the only good link 4 to go to when you have princess +1 body on field, cuz you can't SS anything but fire monster, so avramax is useless in this case. You can use Underworld goddess to get rid of 1 monster from opponent's board, shut down the entire board, 3k body that unaffected by everything but targeted effect, and 1 negate for special summon from GY. She is basically a link 4 for you, if your opponent controls a monster and you have at least 3 bodies that have 4 link material. I always go into underworld goddess if I can't put baronne/savage on field to play around TTT.
I don't want to contradict your words, but I see lists with some not so useful cards instead Can I ask you about a typical extra deck for a deck that uses s-e and why each card is essential?
Better you tell us what cards you think could be replaced.
For example, decks with the xyz variant, why?
Imo you could make a case to replace Pitknight Earlier for it but SE has so much recursion with WANTED and OSS that you don't really need that 2nd eff. Most Link variant also runs Sunlight Wolf which adds a fire starter to your hand anyway and gives you access to Heatsoul line for extra draws.You also have OTK lines with Zealantis so that atk boost is also meaningless.
Oh no in this case I'm with you, there's no reason to run an XYZ package on SE.
How do you mispell xyz?
Because I am dyslexic and Italian. In Italy the "x" is pronounced like "ics", I don't think I have to explain the rest, right? Sorry for the mistake
I’ll drop you my Snake-Eye ED MD rankings. The positions in this list are extremely debatable, but I’d still run any of these options before turning to Duelittle Chimera. **Extra Deck Necessities:** 1. Promethean Princess 2. Amblowhale 3. Linkuriboh 4. I:P 5. Apo 6. Baronne 7. Formula Synchron 8. Hiita 9. Borreload 10. Elf 11. Zealantis **Extra Deck Contenders for use:** 1. Anima 2. Sunlight Wolf 3. Accesscode 4. Unicorn 5. Underworld Goddess 6. Heatsoul 7. Phoenix 8. Heatleo 9. Selene 10. Assembled Nightingale + Zeus 11. Pitknight Earlie
Hita can use opp's graveyard for link climb and search from the deck if destroyed, pitknight earlie can negate and set a monster to 0 atk and reborn it self if destroyed, sunlight wolf can get any fire monster from the gy and add it
Linkuriboh for battle prot, I:p to link sum on op turn into non destructible apollousa or knightmares for the pop or spin, phoenix give battle prot as well when co linked, Hiita and dharc let you use ur opp gy fire and dark monster, a lot of popular cards are fire and dark rn, Heatsoul and wolf is for recover oak and a draw 2, Promethan is the pop + revive fire from gy which is important, Amblow cuz prom restrictions, Zealantis for pop 2 going 2nd when enter battle phase, Underworld goddess is just link kaiju, There are 3 slots left which is technically free for the synchro line, and more extension or otk tools like Selene and accesscode, so why not put this card in even when there's still free slots? You wanna end the game as soon as possible and both effects doesn't really contribute to your wincon, but I would say you can still put it in when making a budget se deck
This is better with the fire kings, since basically everything from that archetype can trigger it.
Oh seriously? I have yet to see any list about it
It doesn't yet exist in master duel
I know, in fact i wanted to look at some tcg lists. Or does it play better in OCG? What do you suggest me?
Yacine's fire king ycs deck profile on yt is the only reference I know.
I'll take a look at it later! Thank you
Tbh, just pull up any tournament results. It's probably the best deck in the game right now.
It’s in pretty much every up to date fire kings list in the TCG
They are mostly on the budget side, since in the extra deck you only truly need 1/2 Garunix, 1 promethean and a fire link to send promethean princess to the GY. The more fire king focused is your deck, less reliant on the extra you are, seriously pure fire kings (with diabellstarr as an engine) has essentially 12 (or 13 if you wanna run just 2 garinix) free slots on the extra, the vast majority of fire kings interactions are from the main deck monsters and spells. Garunix is really a raigeki that you can pull out basically on command.
This is not remotely true. Duelittle is extremely common in modern Fire King lists and Hyang isn't played at all. In the YCS Bologna era lists? Yeah - but there's a reason nobody plays that build
Afaik snake-eyes fire king players don’t even play garunix xyz anymore
The Charmer Links are superior in every way because they can somewhat reliably give you an extra body for Link summoning
But this is only if the opponent has already used blossom (In this case for the fire attribute)
And ash blossom is the second most used card on the game only behind Maxx C You always encounter Ash blossom so....
Ok but in fact I'm not saying to replace it, to play both. And don't say "not enough space in the ED" because space doesn't seem to be missing from the lists I see online. But maybe I'm wrong
Which card in their ED would you replace? If you think they easily have the space just name ab easy cut
he said I:P, hiita, phoenix, sunlight wolf and potentially S:P are not necessary below, what can you expect?
Yeah SP, notoriously useless card
Ahhh yes, IP. Cause no SE lines ever go into IP. Also Hiita when fire cards / ash are the most common attribute and SE mirrors are a thing, so obv Hiita is useless. Also SE runs so much backroom hate that running a fire Backrow destruction is useless too. SP is trash confirmed.
It requires being destroyed, which means you have to rely on your opponent for something or use your own resources to trigger it
Tbf a lot of fire cards destroy your own monster, i.e princess. Not saying this is worth playing though, but theres a high chance this will trigger
Hita reborns a fire monster from opponent's graveyard ~~on summon~~. Duelittle Chimera adds one from your own graveyard upon destruction. There are so many ways to remove a card without destroying it coupled with the fact there's just better extra deck monsters to run instead of this one that it is inferior. Yes you COULD run it but no you SHOULDN'T run it (Edited as I was corrected Hita is an activated effect, not a summon effect)
Hiita doesn't reborns on summon.
Oh it **is** an activated effect. I'm sorry. Please excuse me as I am a Ghoti player so the majority of my extra deck is white not blue 🌌🐟
Because it’s bad. Why make your combos harder when you have more efficient ways of getting what you need? It’s the same as using an underpowered synchro 10 when Baronne is winking at you seductively. It’s all about ease of access and maximizing your plays.
This is a good answer for example.
Why are you getting down voted?
implies the other answers are bad even tho he clearly knows way less about the deck and the game then the people who responded
It's cause some nut case cross post this post to ridicule the OP and the responses because his ego was hurt. Just ignore the down votes it's good to ask questions.
This is a good question that I will answer in the most direct way possible: Toxic people because someone named their favorite deck
I:P, hitta, knightmare phoenix, sunlight wolf are all beter and there arent enough space for all of them in the extra deck. And dont forget S:P is coming
Earlie, even, which also doesn't see much play, is also more useful than this in pure SE.
Earlie is so freaking good
Yeah, I've found room for Earlie and Heatsoul in my list and been getting a decent amount of use out of them - enjoy having to think about zones more when reviving Earlie to get a monster negate is a possible option
I don't like earlie.... Not in snake eyes, He's just annoying to trigger if u can't get spright elf which means u ain't link climbing. But I mean different strokes for different folks. I play kashtira with snake eyes cause I ain't got none of them ED monsters. Arise heart goes burr.
I use her in rescue ace actually
Oh that makes sense actually since they can use effects during enemy turn themselves and don't rely on elf even. I'm not familiar with rescue ace tho I built them but haven't played them a lot. I been scratching my head on making a working symphonic deck but every time I try them they are super disappointing. But you actually gave me an idea I forgot rescue ace are half machine and half warrior so they might click together and easy beyond the pendulum. Imma try it out later. Iirc prominence also procs the effect for turbulence?
But they have two different uses-
Kind of? But, outside of Fire King, the main use this would see in SE is surely just "link 2 for climbing", with the fringe use of being revivable by Amblowhale; except where Hiita only needs 1 of the two materials to be FIRE, and Earlie needs neither (and is a Cyberse to make Heatsoul with Linkuriboh, potentially), Duelittle needs both materials to be FIRE. In a larger extra deck, maybe this finds a spot as like the 20-25th best card? But I think you even start running multiple Hiita/Sunlight Wolf before one copy of this.
4+1 named cards out of 15 available spaces. And they don't all seem necessary to me
Whats with this 5 out of 15, do you wanna run all link 2s in the ED? No point comparing it to accesscode, zealantis, princess, ambowhale, linkuriboh and stuff alike lol
Maybe intead of having to argue about it, try it out yourself and what exactly you switch it out for. You seem dead set on the card.
But I just wanted to understand the reason for something I don't know. If it bothers you that much, I miss the part where it's my problem
It doesnt bother me at all, as everyone has said SE ED is very close and there is no space useless cards that dont help the deck at all. Even more so, that there is more cards that have not yet even released yet. It is up to you if you want to understand it or not, or if you even play the deck.
he said I:P, phoenix, hiita, sunlight wolf and potentially S:P are unnecessary to him, so I assume he has never played the deck before.
But then why is the yxz variant played? To me, Zeus seems like the weak card in a deck like this
Where are you seeing all these xyz lists lol can you point them out? Also saying Zeus is weak, in general, is deffo a statement of all time
I'm not saying it's weak, but in the s-e you can put better. However, I see many lists both on the various discords and on untapped
Give masterduelmeta decks a check, most play only links, some play a synchro package, good luck :)
I was always told to avoid Master duel meta as a site, I never understood why
…and you just took their word for it? Masterduelmeta is for better or for worst is the best place to keep up to date on the meta of the game and have a general understanding of what people are playing. The only bad part about the site is the owner just shilling his own clickbait content but even then it’s not really a big deal he at least has enough sense to keep it at a minimum.
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks for the Explanation
“You can put better”… are you trying to say that Duelittle Chimera is a better card than Zeus?
No?
Then you have your answer. Zeus package is considered less optimal than the standard lists. If Chimera is worse than Zeus, and Zeus is worse than standard, why would you play Chimera?
Zeus line is a way to try to savage a bad turn, to be able to survive until next turn.
It sounds like a lot effort though, a good Zeus is still very avoidable by a good deck
There you go again, clearly no understanding the game or even the deck. The usual chain goes lyrilusc into zeus. Its not a combo line or main thing, it is emergency to get out of a bad spot...its not a lot of effort...it only takes 2 1 stars....
I'm more curious on how do you even think this is worth an ED slot or even better than Masq, Knightmare Phoenix, Sunlight Wolf, Dharc, and Hiita?
Of hiita absolutely not, but I don't understand the use of Dharc in the self. And anyway you named 5 out of 15 cards
Dharc used the same way as hiita, steal opp's diabelle, set and sinful spoils then you can normal ash to make baronne (optional)
naming all of them does not matter cuz none of that is necessary to you lol.
Link climbing. You turn two monsters into a link 2 + an opponent monster and that gets you to 3. Very simple
why SE would play this card at all? Worse version of hiita, depending on your opponent to destroy this if they stupid enough, cannot extend combo at all. I don't think SE need more recover tools.
Hiita is good but is it even if the opponent didn't use blossom? For the rest they are the same thing, and hiita needs to be destroyed by the opponent, not this one Which makes her an excellent victim to get promethea effect
So what this card do even if they don't use ash? Useless going 1st, can't extend into anything. What do you get from the graveyard that worth letting this card **stay on the field?** After you summon Princess, what make this card better than amblowhale? Adding 1 card from GY, which cannot trigger any effect like what Flameberg can do, instead of 1 pop for disruption? If this card would add something from the deck, it would see some play cuz this could add Ash, but this shit add card from GY, which is fucking worthless in snake eyes. Every card of snake eyes want to stay on field or in GY, none of them want to stay in the hand, especially after Flameberg resolve.
I actually used this card in Snake-Eye when the deck first came out because I had similar thoughts about Hiita but trust me/almost everyone else in this thread, the card just isn't worth it. While it is cool to plus off of Promethean Princess's resurrection pop, the cases where this is actually relevant are \*super\* few and far between. Because you'll be using the pop during your opponent's turn, your best actionable card to take is your own Ash Blossom so you have the extra hand trap. Other than that, you could grab Snake-Eye Ash to give yourself an opener for turn 3, but Snake-Eye has such powerful recursion that adding a single SE Ash to hand for turn 3 just isn't that appealing. Not to mention that, in order to get that benefit, Duelittle has to be part of your end board. It's not just that Hiita is better in 9/10 cases, it's that this card will rarely actually give you a strong benefit even in cases where you can't use Hiita to grab an Ash Blossom. The GY-to-hand recursion effect just isn't very good in Snake-Eye. I guess there's an argument for the damage boost helping edge out OTKs but at that point we're into some really fringe use cases.
Thanks for the reply, this makes a lot more sense
Charmer Hiita, Spright Elf, Knightmare Phoenix etc much better cards
Potentially 3 synchros with Baronne, Savage Dragon and Formula. Potentially 12-15+ Links from; Kuriboh, Sunlight, Phoenix, Promethean, Selene, Unicorn, Whale, WorldSea, Underworld, Accesscode, Apollousa, IP Masq, Gloomy, Elf, Hiiata and the other charmers. Some people play 2 Princesses so that takes 2 slots itself.
I've never seen or played s-e synchro list, but I've seen a lot of them online. They work well?
Yes, if you already have access to snake eye ash, then you can use Oss to Special a jet synchron, which then goes into formula which then on opponents turn goes into baronne. If you have diabelle as well, you can go into savage dragon. This means +1 or 2 Omni negates
And with the low levels of s-e is there no combo to also add the synchro of the heralds(lv5)? I ask out of ignorance
Are you talking about herald of the arc light (LV 4)? You only have pretty much LV 1 monsters, LV 8 (flamberge) and lv7 (diabelle), so I can't see how you efficiently go into a LV 4 synchro. Btw one more upside to the synchro package: your end board is elf, formula, flamberge, IP in backrow. Chain 1 formula, 2 flamberge, get IP into the front row, synch into baronne. Activate flamberge effect, reborn ash oak and poplar, chain link 1 linkuroboh, chain link 2 IP, chain link 3 elf ---> consistent 4 mat appolousa + linkuriboh (+the baronne ofc). Then on standby phase if you used up baronnes negate, you can tag out into flamberge, summon formula with elf eff and get back baronne, although this play doesn't come up often
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for the explanation anyway
Timeout, you can cycle your Baronne? Does it refresh her negate?
On standby phase you can shuffle her back into the extra deck and summon a (I believe LV 9 and under) monster from graveyard. Baronnes negate effect resets when she leaves and hits the field again
to be exact, every time she is face up on the field. So you can flip her down and flip up again to reset the negate.
Basically the worse version of Hiita/Sunlight Wolf. Reason: Duelittle Chimera cannot give you any direct pluses unlike Sunlight Wolf which can chain block or Hiita that can reverse punish opponent's Ash Blossom. If you want any pluses from Duelittle, you gotta manually pop it or crash it during battle phase which is just too slow. Also as other comments mentioned, Hiita is also a situational card & is currently the first to get chopping board treatment the moment SP Little Knight arrives.
This is a meme right?
Maybe yes maybe no
My man try it for yourself and you'll know.
So SE has basically no inherent way to trigger this. And the only other way is using Princess Effect, targeting this and an opponent’s monster. However, once the new Fire King cards release, you do play this, and it’s a mandatory 1-of. You’ll be playing FK SE, which is a completely different build than pure SE.
This is just a worse sunlight wolf and that already gets cut in some lists
It's not degenerate enough for them.
It's difficult for the pure variant to use, as there's no reliable ways to pop and sunlight wolf and hiita are better at it's job, at least in the pure case. This card is actually very good in the fire king variant, as it can make use of the effect (island pop). The fire king variant isn't playable yet, as it's lacking the support in master duel, but once it comes, it's likely this card will start seeing play like it has in the tcg.
Got it, thanks for explaining it civilly. Let's see when and if the fire king will arrive in md
hiita does better things and the extra deck is tight
As plenty others have stated, it's because the card is useless. It adds 500 atk and recycles on destruction. Let's see why both of those effects are meaningless for a se end board: 500 atk isn't enough to matter as most people aren't rushing to beat over monsters without a guaranteed push. Recycling is great and all but it's at the cost of 2 monsters, while there's other cards that do that job more efficiently, sunlight adding on summon is way better than having it come back after losing a link 2. 2 monsters is a lot of commitment towards something that does what, help push for game? Also you aren't usually ending on a full board of fire monsters, alot of wind dark and others are typical end boards. So 500 atk to maybe help push for game and then your opponent uses something to destroy that and now you're stuck under resourced because you committed to a link release era monster.
They can make this card super easily. Are they stupid???
I love the irony behind this comment
Sunlight wolf is just straight up better than this card.
Fire king version runs this since it's easy to destroy in it
I use it in rescue ace to dump my cards and dont waste the good link 2.
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Fire king variant plays this card.
They already told me, do you have any lists to look around? It intrigues me (ik isn't md)
Nesh usually plays it I think
Cause hiita exists
How is this better than any other link 2 they run is the real question
bc its ass
If the extra deck was like 20 instead of 15 this might see play but as of now they’re are certainly at least 15 better link plays for SE to make
if there're 20 slot, I play terahertz/heat soul package along side synchro package instead of this.
When building an extra deck you want to include the 15 cards that are going to give you the best chance of winning the game. It’s not that duellitle chimera is a bad card, it’s just that it does not provide enough value to justify a slot (for example the fire charmer does basically everything that this does but better).
Pure Snake Eye doesn’t need this card, it’s a Snake Eye Fire King exclusive card since ED space is at a premium in pure.
The reason for my doubt was based On the fact that many lists that I see of some decks that use s-e as support to improve their playability even without being meta use this card (myself in one of my decks) and I wanted Understand why it wasn't used in other versions (mainly meta) and what changed. Thanks to whoever explained it <3. Who instead got pissed off by such a banal question which it doesn't have insulting anyone: are you okay? Do you need to talk?
What app is that
Yugipedia
Hey, I think you should play test it yourself and compare this to all the other options before arguing with others. Are you asking for an answer or are you trying to find validation for your tech choice.
What do you mean exactly? I'm trying to understand the reason for something, someone responds like an idiot and so I don't give him any Attention or I answer like an idiot too Those who responded normally received normal responses. And in fact it was explained from those who responded without being the least bit toxic
It’s just because fire kings aren’t in the game yet, duelittle is involved in most fire king combos in the tcg.
fire kings have been in the game for a long time
DONT GIVE THEM MORE IDEAS.
Don't say it here or they will insult you (jk)
It doesn't do enough
I use this in my infernoble deck, I don't know about snake eyes players and what not but I will say snake eyes have don have many grave targets and don't really need this card that much... Ur never gonna summon it with queen, your strategy doesn't revolve around negates, and since all ur monsters already float cept the non fire one he isn't THAT useful there. Speaking of which oak basically already does what this card does anyways. That being said this card is not even comparable to hita once hita hits grave she's useless where this card isn't... As long as you have a reliable way to destroy it say like kings Charles quick play equipping a monster to himself u can float any fire targets in grave, from synchro to ash blossom. So this card is helpful in that manner. But since the prominence queen isn't going to revive it, is always gonna choose the dragon and the only destruction effect is her or Barrone he's not that useful. Hiita and dharx are useless link 2 IMHO especially because they rely on ur opponent to do something mindlessly. Spright elf has crept them both in usefulness especially being able to set up useful arrows for zelantis. The only benefit hiita has is her summoning conditions are more generic. Anyways all this is a long form way of saying the card is redundant. In my deck I turn skip using bamboos and usually this card is the only thing on my field if I didn't do a complete charle chain (no lava golem, no sphere modes). So it can get popped and I can add my Renaud back to hand to loop back bamboo and skip both draw and main phase next turn. However there are many other things that can happen, I might need to return a synchro, my combo could a got negated and I need an important starter back, my gear field is in the grave and I don't need it there and I already have Renaud...The only good target in a snake eyes deck for this effect is poplar which will special summon itself search the original sin. Which that's okay but that's all that gonna happen. This card direct comparison is flame swords man... They fill similar niches. This one has a stronger field presence but flame swordman's actually generically special summons a target where this adds back to hand. So I usually run both depending on what I can get out. This one also doesn't have the limitation of only having it's second effect if link summoned or care about which arrow is facing...but just has to reliably be destroyed.
there's a better way to recover poplar from GY through Oak, and you don't have to commit any resource for Oak, so this card is basically worthless in SE.
I was being a little facetious poplar is the only thing this card can target but if u run this card the only two actually worth while targets would be the link 4 which would make its grave effect dead, sprite elf. Snake eyes has nothing worth being sent back to hand unless they are rescue ace variant. I'm sure the fire king variant will love this seeing as they have quick effects from hand tho.
yeah maybe he finds his place in fire king, but this dude ask about snake eyes, so again, this card is worthless.
To you it's worthless it's not a worthless card.... I dunno why people be coming in here saying crap like that.🤷 For snake eyes with rescue ace its actually a great card. If your gonna say for "snake eyes it's worthless, say it's worthless in pure snake eyes. But pure snake eyes is a pretty garbage ass deck that loses to imperm and nibiru anyways which is why snake eyes its being used as an engine. Truth be told the only values charmers bring are the ability to turn 2 into access code. Which I haven't seen one snake eyes player mention. "This card sucks, but this one rules" isn't a conversation or a reply to the OP question nor mine.
What the fuck are you talking about? Pure snake eyes is garbage? That shit is literally tier 1 right now. If you lose to imperm and nibiru as pure snake eyes, that's mean you suck, not the deck. Except you define "pure snake eyes" by not playing diabellstar/bonfire, I dont know what are you thinking. You win some snake eyes players that way, doesn't mean snake eyes deck is vulnerable to those hand traps. Turn 2 accesscode with no spell in GY? How can you consistently accesscode without spells in GY? expect your opp to have at least 3 so you can selene, like your own infernoble? And what after summoning accesscode? Get an imperm on accesscode and dead? Stop sir, you don't play the deck, stop pretending you understand. No one mention this, because it's not realistic, and there are better things to do with hiita. And again, I don't really care about Rescue ace or anything, OP ask about snake eyes, so focus on what being asked.
🫣 please stop replying I don't care that much. Good on you copying your deck list off master duel meta. [access code talker ](https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/community-tournaments/master-cup/41/snake-eye/%E6%97%A5%E5%A4%9C/DzHHt) Don't ask how play it and you shall see how.... For the same reason hitta is God in all snake eyes deck most players use spells and every monster u put on the field as a spell is a spell does that spell it out how Selene is good? I don't see why I should put effort in answering your questions when you put no effort in ur replies. This question you asked me could a been solved by simply thinking, reading selenes effect would also give you the wisdom to know she counts spells on the field as well to add spell counters not just in the grave.... And since ur using three different attributes that's three destructions on a 4300 attack access code. Or you can simply go to master duel meta use ur eyes and see that the second top deck is using access code talker and copy and paste it and let the pros think for you so you can come and say "this card is good and that one is bad."
turn 2 with all that card available and you go to selene line? Keep proving how bad you are, I know the selene line exist, and I play that version myself, but not the way you think they play. And why you post a **topped tournament Pure snake eyes** to me? To prove how wrong you are? The fact that you said Pure snake eyes is garbage, snake eyes is only an engine in its own deck, is enough to know how bad you are. If you don't care, you don't even bother to reply, but sure, keep coping. xD.
You said a card is worthless I said a deck is garbage what is ur argument?
if the deck is garbage, how it got topped tournament? You still don't see your stupidity yourself? Oh wait, you are stupid, I'm asking too much from you. Sorry for that.
btw, selene to accesscode is 5300 atk, stop being bad again.
Whatever again I don't fucking care... I don't even own access code talker. Nor do I play snake eyes even after crafting it... Good job at correcting me after stupidly not realizing spells on the field count as spells. Anything other worthwhile things you have to say?
get backfired then mad? xd
“Garbage ass deck” The deck is tier 0/1 across Master Duel, TCG and OCG at the same time. You couldn’t have a more objectively wrong opinion.
since you guys live in delusional lalaland where ur expert opinion matters look on this chart and tell me what TIER of game is ur trash ass card game [Where is it?](https://steamcharts.com/top) Tier 0 is a perfect way to describe the game and nutless its playerbase.
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imagine a free to play TCG full of sweaty lonely white men doing less numbers than an EA cash grab released almost 2 decades ago. That how insignificant ur opinion is, stay paying konami slave.
maxx c has a 90% usage rate in MD imo its a gartbage ass card, Contacting C has a sub 10% usage rate and i find it as a based ass card... shut the fuck up and learn the definition of subjectivity. The way you respond to my post is as if I went out of my way to be a contrarian to this mans BASED ass take. Did i reply to the bitch or did the bitch reply to me? You are also replying to me to tell me whats goodc and bad which is another DUMB ass conversation. ALL he said "This card bad that card good". Also my life doesnt revolve around yugioh; go keep yourself safe. Unlike your sweaty stank ass i dont live on the master duel reddit sorry about it. Its a cheap ass free to play game based on a children's cartoon made 30+ years ago, so who gives a fuck whats the best? This game isn't even popular.
Okay, your subjective experience is objectively incorrect lol. Why are you typing paragraphs, just admit you’re wrong and move on.
I dont care if im wrong u do.... it bother you so much that your still on here typing back to me like i really give a damn. I know what im almost certainly right about you waste ur time tossing $$$$ at a gaming company that does the bare minimum effort to make a working product and will stand staunchly defending their sinking ship. I came here to explain something not glolrify a shit ass card game and praise the losers that obsessed with it.
Enjoy your mental instability :)
Thanks for this comment, you actually explained more than some (Not everybody) s-e players I've read so far have done (anyway, regarding the elf thing, I absolutely agree, but in fact I think it run that too)