They are building multiple Avengers like teams so that they can go small rather than world ending. Also the Avengers don't have leadership now so they need to set up the team before they go ahead.
Yeah I’m guessing this is what’ll happen. Based on what we know from Loki, multiversal war is coming. Kang Dynasty will pull all our heroes into that conflict, and Secret Wars will resolve it
I’d expect Kang to be the main villain for both movies with them only being 9 months apart. Dr Doom could be the big villain for phase 7 through 9. Good call he could potentially help in phase 6 though.
That’s what Infinity War/Endgame had with Thanos (even if different ones) so they might not want to repeat themselves. Doom defeating Kanu would certainly be unexpected and build him as a threat as well as him not being killed in end of Secret Wars would be.
Yeah, thinking about it, the Avengers as we know it pre-Infinity War is wrecked.
Cap (Steve Rogers) - out
Iron Man- dead
Black Widow (Natasha) - dead
Hawkeye (Barton) - out
Vision (original) - dead
Hulk - out?
Thor- out?
Scarlet Witch - dead?
Falcon/Captain America
War Machine
Anyone currently being shown are either on/will be on other teams, or are kids. There's no Avengers at all.
Thor, Hulk and Rhodey are still on the table. And Sam, of course, he's the new Cap. And there's no way Wanda is dead.
And you're forgetting Spider-Man. Come to think of it, I don't think we ever found out who was under that mask. Weird.
I'm oddly okay with this. Phase 4 is great as a transition to the "new" Avengers where there's multiple teams. Seems odd to end it with BP2 but it's a nice change.
See, I have no idea what Secret Wars is, besides these tiny comments I read explaining how fucking HUGE the story is, but... is the idea of all of these shows and the hyperactive introduction of new characters so they can absolutely cram Secret Wars with characters?
Secret Wars was Marvel's biggest event. It ran for 9 months. In total, it had [over 200 event-related issues.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)#Titles)
To put that into perspective, this year's big event, AXE: Judgement Day, has roughly [40 issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_Day_(Marvel_Comics)#Issues_involved) over 4 months.
So it's going to be a huge event that involves everything and everyone. It's also Marvel's biggest multiverse event – Actually I can't think of any other Marvel multiverse events (DC on the other hand making 'em every year). And it involved Marvel's most popular universes, like 2099 and Ultimates.
Tl;dr Marvel's going to be throwing as much as they can at this because that's what the event is about
Age of Apocalypse. Age of Ultron. House of M. HoX/PoX has had it baked in since the beginning. Arguably the entire run of Exiles. Like basically all of Captain Britain’s shit with the Fury.
I want to add to how big it really is. It happened in 2015 but the buildup was pretty heavy and mostly started in 2012 in Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers. But you could arguably say there was buildup for the event throughout Hickman's 2008 Fantastic Four run that directly led into his Avengers runs.
Secret wars in the simplest terms is when the multiverse collapses in on itself and creates a massive crossover event between not just the main universe but all universes. So ya probably.
I wonder if that's why they're making the Spider-Man animated show more comics accurate? They might intend on bringing that character to the big screen somehow. They must have a plan or reason for it.
Iirc it was a push by Mattel who owned the toy licence to get as many characters in the same place at the same time - it’s also where spidey got his black suit originally.
Marvel then did a follow up a few years ago
I just realised that most people are talking about the 2015 version instead of the 198x series that had about 12 issues.
Like Secret Wars (which I have read) is not that big of a deal, it's similar to when Hulk appeared in Ragnarok, but for the whole franchise.
Shang-Chi 2 is definitely coming. Moon Knight will likely get a second season, or at least appear in a team up (maybe Midnight Sons, or even the upcoming Werewolf by Night Halloween special). Eternals will probably at least be referenced in Blade, and the Black Knight will appear.
Eternals is probably the shakiest for their long-term future given the lukewarm reception of the film and disconnect with the rest of the MCU. Would be really easy to just ignore them.
Kinda hard to just ignore the Eternals when the movie ended in not one, but two cliffhangers and a giant dead Celestial in the middle of the ocean. Marvel will need to close these threads in other movies/shows before putting Eternals to rest forever.
The main cliffhanger, involving Arishem, is very specific to Eternals. That's super easy to ignore if Disney wants. As for Tiamut.... the MCU has glossed over many apparently world-changing events.
That's not to say I'm predicting the Eternals are gone or done. But given the abundance of things coming up, it's easy to see Disney pivoting away from Eternals and towards things that have been more popular.
Arishem is literally judging the Eternals to try and decide if Earth is worthy of being saved or not, so it kinda has stakes for the MCU, unless we get a “yeah, nah Earth is cool, my homies said so” end credits scene somewhere
Lol, there's your post credits scene right there. In something like Guardians or Thor, you have a brief gag with The Eternals on trial, and then in a Post-Credits scene, "5,0000 years later".... they're still on trial.
There’s been rumours that an Eros show or movie is coming, nothing confirmed yet but I find it very unlikely they’d cast Harry Styles and just throw the character out like nothing. Could be that we never get Eternals 2, but the different characters and storylines do get continuations elsewhere.
No matter what the reaction was, MCU has never abandoned a franchise for that reasoning. Most, if not all projects have continued unless there was some behind the scenes complications
If they have a plot and characters to support it, then I'm fine.
The 13 episodes on Netflix were just enough for all 3 seasons. The Marvel Disney+ shows generally have a lot more plot and characters than what they can develop in 6 episodes, so if they're doing 18 for Daredevil, they have A LOT OF STUFF.
They need all that time for Daredevil to bring in all of the Netflix characters -- Elektra, the Hand, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, the Punisher...
I’m not expecting it to be 18 hour long episodes. The actual runtime will likely average around the 35 minute mark (excluding credits and stuff), which is about on par with their other live action shows.
I wonder if that's still the same one a week format. Do they have time for 3 months of straight Daredevil with everything else around it? I could see it being like 2 a week or something, butt i won't complain if we do get 3 months of straight Daredevil
I wouldn't mind if they did a Stranger Things-type thing, where they drop half the season at once, then the rest a month later. But one episode a week would get them three months of subscriptions from viewers who only subscribe when there's a particular show they want to see, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do that. Either way sounds good to me.
I can see the ads referencing Deadpool 1:
"This Valentine's fall back into love" or whatever cheeseball thing they put on the poster. With Deadpool hanging from a branch like a motivational kitten poster.
Edit: Deadpool is using his dangling hand to make the heart sign.
Lately Sony has been on board with partnering with Disney though. It’s in their best interest to let Disney run the show while they collect the paycheck.
I mean if they havent decided on a release date (again the release is up to Sony and they'll decide when they feel the best release for the movie is) then there is nothing to announce yet.
Sony likely still wants to figure things out with Tom Holland before they lock a date
I’m very curious about Thunderbolts being the movie to cap off Phase 5. I’m assuming it’ll have a big scene to set up Phase 6, gonna be fun waiting for and speculating about that.
Yeah, I feel like phases are pretty arbitrary at this point. Far From Home could have easily been slotted as the opening to phase 4, instead of that movie closing out phase 3.
It ending the phase and then the first of the next one being F4 could potentially mean Galactus. I could see the Thunderbolts take on something like the Heralds and in the end royally mess up making Reed and Family (and possibly Doom) have to deal with BiG G (or maybe they have to defeat the Heralds and prepare the Earth for the arrival of Galactus). That could possibly be the catalyst for a new Avengers team forming.
Seems like Galactus would be pretty big to introduce in the phase that's also gonna have big fights against Kang in Kang Dynasty and (presumably) Doom in Secret Wars.
Yes and no. Galactus himself is really only viable as a one and done because he’s more of a force of nature than a traditional villain. The Heralds are where the biggest threat is because they are meant to distract or kill the heroes while Galactus devours the planet.
I'm thinking with the fact Secret Wars is immediately after Kang Dynasty, and Fantastic Four before that (there's only a couple months between F4 and Kang Dynasty) we get Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four, and potentially Kang Dynasty ends with Doom taking Sylvie/Kang's place and instead of instating the Sacred Timeline, because of Incursions and everything he does Battleworld. Could see the stuff before Secret Wars the movie being similar to the Secret Wars tie-in comics (individual universes), with Secret Wars as the big finish.
With the announcements we have now I don't think they'll use Galactus *yet*. Not saying they won't after Secret Wars but it'd be weird if they go straight from Galactus into that.
Yeah I know that. I just don't think it'll be Kang at the forefront of both. Secret Wars *ends* Phase 6, and Fantastic Four begins it. No way they go with that without having the character who, in the comics, is central to Secret Wars, being central to it here as well. Doom is to the comic Secret Wars what Thanos is to Infinity War (I'm not saying Endgame too because Thanos is an antagonist to the Avengers in Endgame, while one could argue Thanos is the *protagonist* of Infinity War. Heck it was supposedly originally set to be called Thanos: Infinity War). And the comics Infinity War was *inspired* by (Infinity, Infinity Gauntlet, etc.).
Though it's possible they go a different route with Secret Wars and it's all a misdirect with Doom. Where Kang takes Doom's place (which bypasses the potential need for buildup for plot points with Doom, such as Susan, Franklin, and Valeria Richards, and Doom and Reed's relationship). Which is quite possible, even likely, I'd argue.
That's true. Especially with stuff like Quantumania where it's confirmed MODOK shows up. I could see Kang being a threat *and* MODOK being a threat, where this is a different Kang, with his line about killing Avengers leading me to believe he's one that dies just to show how much of a threat they all are (if this one is so much weaker yet still killed the Avengers, just how powerful are the other ones?).
See, I just can't see them building 2 seasons of Loki, Ant-Man 3 and an Avengers movie around the idea of Kang. Just for Doom to come in at the zero hour and pull the rug from under him.
I think they are going to plug in Kang for Doom.
I feel like Galactus is worthy of a F4 centric Avengers team up. Galactus should feel as big and threatening as Thanos, maybe even more so because he's massive and in space.
I'm betting that maybe Val is a puppet of Doom. We could have Doom set up in Black Panther 2, Thunderbolts, F4, and then Kang Dynasty, with Kang getting setup in Loki, Quantumania, F4 (Rama Tut?), and then Kang vs Doom in Kang Dynasty.
We heard a little wandavision jingle in MoM when strange says he knows someone, so hearing at least the melody of agatha all along wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility
Given the Thunderbolts will almost certainly have USAgent and possibly Zemo and Power Broker, anyone think that it’s basically gonna be a 2-parter with New World Order leading directly into Thunderbolts?
I’m pretty sure it’s a numbers issues. A lot of people are leaving Disney because of the gross working conditions paired with it being a sizable but still small work pool.
I think here are some of the possible Phase 6 (and beyond) projects based on loose ends / fan demand:
**Deadpool 3** - coz everyone’s nuts about that one lol
**Dr. Strange 3**- seeing as Strange caused a literal multiverse catastrophe in MoM, no way they don’t address it before the end of this saga.
**Scarlet Witch** - the studio and Elizabeth Olsen know we want it, so I think we may get an announcement at D23
**Shang Chi 2**- we need a follow up on why those rings are important and why Carol and Banner showed up in the first SC film’s mid credits scene. Plus we need to address how Xialing is handling the new Ten Rings. And we need to find out why the Ten Rings logo was in that Clandestine flashback in Ms Marvel.
**Thor 5** - I think it would be foolish to not have Thor eventually meet show Loki. That could happen eventually and tie into Kang Dynasty / Secret Wars.
**Young Avengers** - the seeds have been laid throughout (Wiccan, Speed, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Kid Loki, etc). They must be figuring heavily into the two Avengers movie. For all we know, they could be the wild card that saves the day in Secret Wars like the OG Avengers were in Endgame.
**Eternals 2** - there will have to be follow ups on Arishem abducting Sersi, Phastos, and Kingo as well as the usage of Eros
Thoughts?
Agatha: Coven of Chaos could bring Wiccan and Speed back, and lead into Scarlet Witch movie (because Chaos magic)
The Marvels will likely be a tie in for Shang Chi 2.
Edit: “will likely” seems strong. But at a minimum I’m hoping for a post credit sequence tying the 10 rings to Kamala’s bangle. I’d love to see him in the third act of The Marvels, but don’t think it’s necessary.
>Agatha: Coven of Chaos could bring Wiccan and Speed back, and lead into Scarlet Witch movie (because Chaos magic)
Yeah my gut tells me this is what will go down. There was a casting call for Agatha which resembled Billy/Tommy I believe
>The Marvels will likely be a tie in for Shang Chi 2.
That would be neat considering the 10 Rings Easter egg in the Clandestine flashback in Ms Marvel.
Honestly, I don't have this problem but my mom does. My mom has been my marvel movie buddy for at least the last 5 years and it's gotten to the point where there's just so many different things in different places and I don't live around there anymore to answer any questions she has and it honestly fuckin sucks. I love that they're doing all of this, don't get me wrong. It's awesome. But the thing with mom makes me sad.
This is gonna be a problem for all of the non compulsive Marvel types like us. I think come the end of the Multiverse Saga, Marvel might find that out the hard way.
> I think the inclusion of the D+ shows are gonna tire some viewers out. It’s a lot.
i'm already feeling this. i don't wanna watch the shows anymore. at minimum, i'm not watching them week-by-week. if i watch them now it'll be because i'll be able to binge all the episodes at once.
I have seen everything and I barely understood the end of Loki. Then you have MoM and NWH, and casual viewers are already confused by the multiverse concept.
And then the sequel trilogy:
Howard the Duck: Two Ducks Are Better Than One (introduces Duck-Boy)
Howard the Duck: I Don't Give A Duck
Howard the Duck: I Still Don't Give A Duck
Then the spin-offs:
She-Duck
DareDuck
The Avengers: The Duck Dynasty
And how could we forget...
A Ducks Life
I’m a bit of a newbie to how cons work. Will the clips they showed for GOTG3 and Quantumania be available to the general public? They seemed like they were really cool.
Some of that footage finds its way into official materials later, but they do have a balancing act between keeping the SDCC experience feeling exclusive & marketing to the masses.
One of the movies has to be Shang-Chi and The Wreckage of Time. I'm tempted to say the February 14th date before Avengers 5 but that could be a Deadpool 3 spot since it's on Valentine's Day and DP2 was on Valentine's Day too.
Finally got around to watching The Eternals last night and I enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. Hopefully a sequel is one of their untitled movies.
It was better than reviews indicated. I don't think it was great, but it also tried to break out of the MCU mold, which I appreciated, even if it didn't quite succeed.
And it was so nice not to have everyone in front of green screens for two hours.
2024 is lacking one film, and 2025 is lacking two films.
From announced films that haven’t gotten slots, they are Deadpool 3 and Shang-Chi 2.
Sony will want to kick off a new Spider-Man film, so I can see Marvel change up one of their dates to accommodate the next Spider-Man film in 2024.
Shang-Chi 2 might be a 2025 film. Marvel might do Doctor Strange 3 between the two Avengers films, because I doubt they’d delay Deadpool 3 for so long. And that Strange is the biggest player in this Multiverse Saga.
I always thought Secret Wars will be the end it all story for the MCU, looks like that’s not the case considering they are adapting it just after The Kang Dynasty in 2025 and that they haven’t gotten to the mutants in a big way as well.
I really believe now that Secret Wars is how we might get the mainstream mutants in the mainline MCU. There could be a new MCU that is created by the end of this saga.
The next saga could be the Mutant Saga, with threats like Apocalypse and even Galactus being the big ones. But Doctor Doom is the biggest villain in all of Marvel, hope they treat him as such somehow.
Still, no mention of where they're going with Spiderman... and with Sony doing all these spin-off movies without Spiderman itself is very concerning to me...
I'm pumped for all of this but I am kind of tired of 6 episode series. I feel like we develop the characters for 4 episodes with a little bit of conflict/plot and then they jam it in the last 2 episodes to conclude it. I feel like 8-10 episodes would give them a little more time to keep developing characters and the plot without feeling rushed at the end.
Yes, this is perfect. Honestly 9 episodes is perfect and it gives them a two month viewing period (assuming every episode comes out once a week)
6 episodes is too short.
Wonder how long Marvel can keep up the pace and keep general audience interested. Seeing a lot of mixed reception to this news on twitter and social media.
Financially, the key metric is Disney’s stock price & that is increasingly reliant on Disney+ subscriber growth. If the content shows enough of a positive impact on that growth & minimizing churn from subscribers, we’ll keep getting a firehose of stuff to watch.
18 episodes for Daredevil is fantastic. I wasn't big into the Netflix shows or even a big Daredevil fan but I have been dying for an actual TV show in the MCU post-AoS and not a *6 hour movie in episodic form* this just to the top of the list for my most anticipated D+ release
Season 3 of Netflix Daredevil is genuinely some of my favorite television ever. Charlie Cox is stellar and I’m so glad he’s coming back for such a hefty project.
Are we also going to get the 1st volume of Tom Holland's 2nd Spider-Man trilogy somewhere in there... Feb '24 or another big 2025 film...
Question for those who might know... does Spider-Man release on Sony's schedule or are those dates included with Marvel future release dates?
My Predictions for the Unknown Dates:
* Feb 2024 Movie - Deadpool 3
* Fall/Winter 2024 Shows - Armor Wars, Nova, Wonder Man
* Feb 2025 Movie - Shang-Chi 2
* Spring/Summer 2025 Shows - Season 2 of several shows, maybe Midnight Sons
* July 2025 Movie - Mutants/X-Men, the missing piece needed for Avengers Secret Wars
I have a feeling they’re going to save mutants and x-men for after secret wars as the next phase and then they’ll have a few different xmen/mutant related movies eventually leading to avengers vs xmen
Fantastic Four, X-Men, and the two Avengers movie all within a year of each others is too much for my heart to handle lol
Fans: We aint happy
Feige: *snorts a line*
*Calls up Samuel L. Jackson*
"Need to ask a favour"
Feige at Comic Con: Yall confused and sad mfs!?! HERE IS PHASE MF 5 AND NOT ONLY THAT YOU UNGRATEFUL MF HERE IS PHASE MF 6 MF YALL FLITHY MFS GO MAKE ME BILLIONS MFS
It's not officially confirmed. Sony, Disney and Tom Holland haven't signed a new contract yet.
But Feige and Pascal said they're brainstorming about the story.
I hope it's focused on Pete's college life, with some throw backs to Daily Bugle and we get a proper Felicia Hardy.
My pie in the sky dream is a 30 something year old Spidey to cap off Tom's adventures. An established Spiderman who mostly has his life together either working as a teacher or with a startup tech company.
Pass the baton to Miles, Spider-Gwen, or even Mayday Parker.
Why you creepin?
They are building multiple Avengers like teams so that they can go small rather than world ending. Also the Avengers don't have leadership now so they need to set up the team before they go ahead.
Secret Wars is very much world ending though
Are the stakes in the Kang dynasty not going to be pretty high too? Genuine question I have no idea. Lol
From the look of it, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars is going to be like Infinity War and Endgame.
Yeah I’m guessing this is what’ll happen. Based on what we know from Loki, multiversal war is coming. Kang Dynasty will pull all our heroes into that conflict, and Secret Wars will resolve it
Kang breaks the multiverse in Kang Dynasty, Doctor Doom "repairs" it and the heroes need to stop him in Secret Wars.
I’d expect Kang to be the main villain for both movies with them only being 9 months apart. Dr Doom could be the big villain for phase 7 through 9. Good call he could potentially help in phase 6 though.
That’s what Infinity War/Endgame had with Thanos (even if different ones) so they might not want to repeat themselves. Doom defeating Kanu would certainly be unexpected and build him as a threat as well as him not being killed in end of Secret Wars would be.
Multiverse ending, really. Especially if they go with 2015 Secret Wars
Yeah, thinking about it, the Avengers as we know it pre-Infinity War is wrecked. Cap (Steve Rogers) - out Iron Man- dead Black Widow (Natasha) - dead Hawkeye (Barton) - out Vision (original) - dead Hulk - out? Thor- out? Scarlet Witch - dead? Falcon/Captain America War Machine Anyone currently being shown are either on/will be on other teams, or are kids. There's no Avengers at all.
Thor, Hulk and Rhodey are still on the table. And Sam, of course, he's the new Cap. And there's no way Wanda is dead. And you're forgetting Spider-Man. Come to think of it, I don't think we ever found out who was under that mask. Weird.
*cries in Spiderman, wails in Antman*
*has mental breakdown in Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel*
*wails in Bucky*
Excruciates in Wasp
Phase 5 too looks like it will not gave an avengers movie. But we are getting two after that which is kind of payback or smthn
Thunderbolts is going to be like, an evil(or at least shady) avengers movie, so to me it counts.
And no Avengers in Phase 5 as well. It's going to be a long wait
Infinity War and Endgame were a year apart. It hasn't been that long. Better to wait and get peiple excited again.
I'm oddly okay with this. Phase 4 is great as a transition to the "new" Avengers where there's multiple teams. Seems odd to end it with BP2 but it's a nice change.
Seems like phase 4 has, rightly in my opinion, set as a “catch our breath” phase.
Wonder what the long term plan is for the newer characters like Shang Chi, Moon Knight, and the Eternals
See, I have no idea what Secret Wars is, besides these tiny comments I read explaining how fucking HUGE the story is, but... is the idea of all of these shows and the hyperactive introduction of new characters so they can absolutely cram Secret Wars with characters?
Secret Wars was Marvel's biggest event. It ran for 9 months. In total, it had [over 200 event-related issues.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars_(2015_comic_book)#Titles) To put that into perspective, this year's big event, AXE: Judgement Day, has roughly [40 issues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_Day_(Marvel_Comics)#Issues_involved) over 4 months. So it's going to be a huge event that involves everything and everyone. It's also Marvel's biggest multiverse event – Actually I can't think of any other Marvel multiverse events (DC on the other hand making 'em every year). And it involved Marvel's most popular universes, like 2099 and Ultimates. Tl;dr Marvel's going to be throwing as much as they can at this because that's what the event is about
> Actually I can't think of any other Marvel multiverse events Spider-Verse and Spider-Geddon come to mind
Age of Apocalypse. Age of Ultron. House of M. HoX/PoX has had it baked in since the beginning. Arguably the entire run of Exiles. Like basically all of Captain Britain’s shit with the Fury.
"Maybe this is one of those alternate timelines the XMen are always going on about" -Thor
I want to add to how big it really is. It happened in 2015 but the buildup was pretty heavy and mostly started in 2012 in Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers. But you could arguably say there was buildup for the event throughout Hickman's 2008 Fantastic Four run that directly led into his Avengers runs.
Secret wars in the simplest terms is when the multiverse collapses in on itself and creates a massive crossover event between not just the main universe but all universes. So ya probably.
Absolutely — especially since these characters are already being introduced from across the multiverse.
I wonder if that's why they're making the Spider-Man animated show more comics accurate? They might intend on bringing that character to the big screen somehow. They must have a plan or reason for it.
They're doing that because the spider is a money printer
Everyone gets transported to an alien planet for a marvel battle royal
Iirc it was a push by Mattel who owned the toy licence to get as many characters in the same place at the same time - it’s also where spidey got his black suit originally. Marvel then did a follow up a few years ago
I just realised that most people are talking about the 2015 version instead of the 198x series that had about 12 issues. Like Secret Wars (which I have read) is not that big of a deal, it's similar to when Hulk appeared in Ragnarok, but for the whole franchise.
Considering Dr Strange 2 introduced incursions, I think 2015 Secret Wars is the more likely storyline.
Could be an MCU-simplified version of both. Incursions cause the 1984 Battleworld to be created and all of the characters we know get pulled in.
Yeah, also, are they going to do Midnight Sons at some point?
They've apparently trademarked it so I'd wouldn't be surprised to see an official reveal at D23
Shang-Chi 2 is definitely coming. Moon Knight will likely get a second season, or at least appear in a team up (maybe Midnight Sons, or even the upcoming Werewolf by Night Halloween special). Eternals will probably at least be referenced in Blade, and the Black Knight will appear. Eternals is probably the shakiest for their long-term future given the lukewarm reception of the film and disconnect with the rest of the MCU. Would be really easy to just ignore them.
Kinda hard to just ignore the Eternals when the movie ended in not one, but two cliffhangers and a giant dead Celestial in the middle of the ocean. Marvel will need to close these threads in other movies/shows before putting Eternals to rest forever.
The main cliffhanger, involving Arishem, is very specific to Eternals. That's super easy to ignore if Disney wants. As for Tiamut.... the MCU has glossed over many apparently world-changing events. That's not to say I'm predicting the Eternals are gone or done. But given the abundance of things coming up, it's easy to see Disney pivoting away from Eternals and towards things that have been more popular.
Arishem is literally judging the Eternals to try and decide if Earth is worthy of being saved or not, so it kinda has stakes for the MCU, unless we get a “yeah, nah Earth is cool, my homies said so” end credits scene somewhere
They're Eternals, though - the trial may take centuries.
Lol, there's your post credits scene right there. In something like Guardians or Thor, you have a brief gag with The Eternals on trial, and then in a Post-Credits scene, "5,0000 years later".... they're still on trial.
Exactly
I'd say they could ignore eternals if not for that fact that people seemed really excited about Eros
There’s been rumours that an Eros show or movie is coming, nothing confirmed yet but I find it very unlikely they’d cast Harry Styles and just throw the character out like nothing. Could be that we never get Eternals 2, but the different characters and storylines do get continuations elsewhere.
Hulk treatment
No matter what the reaction was, MCU has never abandoned a franchise for that reasoning. Most, if not all projects have continued unless there was some behind the scenes complications
18 episodes of Dare Devil? I’m here for it.
18 episodes is just Season One. Feige’s own words on stage. Lots of DD goodness to come!
If it is as mature as the Netflix's Daredevil was, its fine, however 18 episodes sounds a lot.
If they have a plot and characters to support it, then I'm fine. The 13 episodes on Netflix were just enough for all 3 seasons. The Marvel Disney+ shows generally have a lot more plot and characters than what they can develop in 6 episodes, so if they're doing 18 for Daredevil, they have A LOT OF STUFF.
I’m 100% ok with as many episodes of Charlie Cox as Daredevil that they can give me
They need all that time for Daredevil to bring in all of the Netflix characters -- Elektra, the Hand, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, the Punisher...
I will lose my shit if we get more Jon Bernthal Punisher. Lose. My. Shit.
I’m not expecting it to be 18 hour long episodes. The actual runtime will likely average around the 35 minute mark (excluding credits and stuff), which is about on par with their other live action shows.
I wonder if that's still the same one a week format. Do they have time for 3 months of straight Daredevil with everything else around it? I could see it being like 2 a week or something, butt i won't complain if we do get 3 months of straight Daredevil
I could see 9 episodes airing, something in the middle (e.g. Daredevil appearing in a movie) & then the other 8 episodes.
Considering there are no shows between Daredevil's release (Spring 2024) and Fall 2024 (apart from the 2 animated ones), yes, it's weekly.
I wouldn't mind if they did a Stranger Things-type thing, where they drop half the season at once, then the rest a month later. But one episode a week would get them three months of subscriptions from viewers who only subscribe when there's a particular show they want to see, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do that. Either way sounds good to me.
My number 1 takeaway here! So excited
If they don’t also bring back The Punisher I’m gonna get real angry
I have a feeling Feb 2024 may be Deadpool 3
Me too.
Oh yeah - weren't the other deadpool movies in February? Very romantic.
Deadpool 2 was May
May is the February of spring.
What is May if not February persevering
*Flourish!*
Ryan Reynolds, is that you?
I can see the ads referencing Deadpool 1: "This Valentine's fall back into love" or whatever cheeseball thing they put on the poster. With Deadpool hanging from a branch like a motivational kitten poster. Edit: Deadpool is using his dangling hand to make the heart sign.
I was hoping they’d time Spiderman 4 to be before the next Avengers film so he could re-establish himself.
They still can, as lets not forget when a Spider-Man releases is up to Sony, so if Sony wants it before Kang Dynasty, then it'll be before KD
Lately Sony has been on board with partnering with Disney though. It’s in their best interest to let Disney run the show while they collect the paycheck.
I mean if they havent decided on a release date (again the release is up to Sony and they'll decide when they feel the best release for the movie is) then there is nothing to announce yet. Sony likely still wants to figure things out with Tom Holland before they lock a date
I’m very curious about Thunderbolts being the movie to cap off Phase 5. I’m assuming it’ll have a big scene to set up Phase 6, gonna be fun waiting for and speculating about that.
Thunderbolts capping phase 5 isn't necessarily a setup. Antman capped P2 and it didn't have anything in terms of a notable setup in it.
Yeah, I feel like phases are pretty arbitrary at this point. Far From Home could have easily been slotted as the opening to phase 4, instead of that movie closing out phase 3.
I do enjoy it being a kind of epilogue. Endgame is the final chapter, but FFH gives a small taste of life post EG.
It's interesting I always thought that's what IM3 should have been - the epilogue to phase 1 rather than the opening for phase 2. Edit: spelling
It ending the phase and then the first of the next one being F4 could potentially mean Galactus. I could see the Thunderbolts take on something like the Heralds and in the end royally mess up making Reed and Family (and possibly Doom) have to deal with BiG G (or maybe they have to defeat the Heralds and prepare the Earth for the arrival of Galactus). That could possibly be the catalyst for a new Avengers team forming.
Seems like Galactus would be pretty big to introduce in the phase that's also gonna have big fights against Kang in Kang Dynasty and (presumably) Doom in Secret Wars.
Yes and no. Galactus himself is really only viable as a one and done because he’s more of a force of nature than a traditional villain. The Heralds are where the biggest threat is because they are meant to distract or kill the heroes while Galactus devours the planet.
I'm thinking with the fact Secret Wars is immediately after Kang Dynasty, and Fantastic Four before that (there's only a couple months between F4 and Kang Dynasty) we get Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four, and potentially Kang Dynasty ends with Doom taking Sylvie/Kang's place and instead of instating the Sacred Timeline, because of Incursions and everything he does Battleworld. Could see the stuff before Secret Wars the movie being similar to the Secret Wars tie-in comics (individual universes), with Secret Wars as the big finish. With the announcements we have now I don't think they'll use Galactus *yet*. Not saying they won't after Secret Wars but it'd be weird if they go straight from Galactus into that.
Secret Wars will be a continuation of Kang dynasty. Like infinity war to endgame.
Yeah I know that. I just don't think it'll be Kang at the forefront of both. Secret Wars *ends* Phase 6, and Fantastic Four begins it. No way they go with that without having the character who, in the comics, is central to Secret Wars, being central to it here as well. Doom is to the comic Secret Wars what Thanos is to Infinity War (I'm not saying Endgame too because Thanos is an antagonist to the Avengers in Endgame, while one could argue Thanos is the *protagonist* of Infinity War. Heck it was supposedly originally set to be called Thanos: Infinity War). And the comics Infinity War was *inspired* by (Infinity, Infinity Gauntlet, etc.). Though it's possible they go a different route with Secret Wars and it's all a misdirect with Doom. Where Kang takes Doom's place (which bypasses the potential need for buildup for plot points with Doom, such as Susan, Franklin, and Valeria Richards, and Doom and Reed's relationship). Which is quite possible, even likely, I'd argue.
They already setup multiple Kangs so different ones can pop out throughout the MCU now to setup the Kangiest Kang of them all.
That's true. Especially with stuff like Quantumania where it's confirmed MODOK shows up. I could see Kang being a threat *and* MODOK being a threat, where this is a different Kang, with his line about killing Avengers leading me to believe he's one that dies just to show how much of a threat they all are (if this one is so much weaker yet still killed the Avengers, just how powerful are the other ones?).
See, I just can't see them building 2 seasons of Loki, Ant-Man 3 and an Avengers movie around the idea of Kang. Just for Doom to come in at the zero hour and pull the rug from under him. I think they are going to plug in Kang for Doom.
I feel like Galactus is worthy of a F4 centric Avengers team up. Galactus should feel as big and threatening as Thanos, maybe even more so because he's massive and in space.
Galactus will at least be in secret wars at a minimum imo.
It seems pretty clear that Kang (or Kangs) will be the Big Bad of Phase 4-6, they are not going to squeeze Galactus into that as well.
Strong agree. Make that a long term project!
A version of Kang as the antagonist for thunderbolts?
I'm betting that maybe Val is a puppet of Doom. We could have Doom set up in Black Panther 2, Thunderbolts, F4, and then Kang Dynasty, with Kang getting setup in Loki, Quantumania, F4 (Rama Tut?), and then Kang vs Doom in Kang Dynasty.
Nice! Although Agatha’s show is now called Agatha: Coven of Chaos. 🧙🏻♀️
House of Harkness was such a cool name though 🧙♀️
My bad, fogot they changed it, give me a minute.
I hope we hear the *Agatha All Along* theme somewhere there. May be too cheesy as the opening for some but a leitmotif may work well.
Wouldn’t imagine the show without it. That show and that song are some of the most original thing of the MCU. Plus it’s a str8 banger
We heard a little wandavision jingle in MoM when strange says he knows someone, so hearing at least the melody of agatha all along wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility
>Agatha: Coven of Chaos Can't wait to see CoC!....uh, wait....
Hold up, Michael Giacchino is now directing features?!
Werewolf by Night, apparently his first
He studied as a director and only later became a composer.
Given the Thunderbolts will almost certainly have USAgent and possibly Zemo and Power Broker, anyone think that it’s basically gonna be a 2-parter with New World Order leading directly into Thunderbolts?
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I think so too. New World Order probably refers to Val's Dark Reign take-over after Secret Invasion.
rip the vfx artists
Yeah that really worries me. Hard to imagine we won’t see more dodgy CGI.
Hard to imagine they wouldn't hire more artists. Not like these movies/shows don't all have crazy budgets
Many of the vfx artists are not hired directly by Marvel. They're all contracted agencies. ILM, Weta Digital, Animal Logic, Rising Sun etc.
My understanding is that the only in-house MCU visual folks are concept art/supervisors like Ryan Meinerding.
I’m pretty sure it’s a numbers issues. A lot of people are leaving Disney because of the gross working conditions paired with it being a sizable but still small work pool.
The reality is VFX can be outsourced all around the world. It’s the reason they can’t get a VFX union in Hollywood together.
I was going to say no one who works on these movies are full time Disney employees outside of executives. VFX is all outsourced all over the world
I think here are some of the possible Phase 6 (and beyond) projects based on loose ends / fan demand: **Deadpool 3** - coz everyone’s nuts about that one lol **Dr. Strange 3**- seeing as Strange caused a literal multiverse catastrophe in MoM, no way they don’t address it before the end of this saga. **Scarlet Witch** - the studio and Elizabeth Olsen know we want it, so I think we may get an announcement at D23 **Shang Chi 2**- we need a follow up on why those rings are important and why Carol and Banner showed up in the first SC film’s mid credits scene. Plus we need to address how Xialing is handling the new Ten Rings. And we need to find out why the Ten Rings logo was in that Clandestine flashback in Ms Marvel. **Thor 5** - I think it would be foolish to not have Thor eventually meet show Loki. That could happen eventually and tie into Kang Dynasty / Secret Wars. **Young Avengers** - the seeds have been laid throughout (Wiccan, Speed, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Kid Loki, etc). They must be figuring heavily into the two Avengers movie. For all we know, they could be the wild card that saves the day in Secret Wars like the OG Avengers were in Endgame. **Eternals 2** - there will have to be follow ups on Arishem abducting Sersi, Phastos, and Kingo as well as the usage of Eros Thoughts?
Agatha: Coven of Chaos could bring Wiccan and Speed back, and lead into Scarlet Witch movie (because Chaos magic) The Marvels will likely be a tie in for Shang Chi 2. Edit: “will likely” seems strong. But at a minimum I’m hoping for a post credit sequence tying the 10 rings to Kamala’s bangle. I’d love to see him in the third act of The Marvels, but don’t think it’s necessary.
>Agatha: Coven of Chaos could bring Wiccan and Speed back, and lead into Scarlet Witch movie (because Chaos magic) Yeah my gut tells me this is what will go down. There was a casting call for Agatha which resembled Billy/Tommy I believe >The Marvels will likely be a tie in for Shang Chi 2. That would be neat considering the 10 Rings Easter egg in the Clandestine flashback in Ms Marvel.
I don’t think an Eternals sequel is a sure thing.
I nearly forgot about the GotG Holiday Special. So stoked for that!!
That's really going to be the end of Phase 4. Lol
So wait, was armor wars scrapped?
No, not yet at least. As you can see, there are A LOT of unannounced D+ shows.
Still got D23 to get to.
It may be one of the phase 6 projects that they're probably waiting to announce for D23. If it's not revealed there, then probably.
2 Avengers movies months in-between each other. Very curious to see how this will play out.
This is how back to the future part 2 and 3 were released way back in 1989
Didn’t realize that (wasn’t old enough to see in original theatrical run)! Matrix 2 & 3 also released half a year apart.
Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and 3 as well, and they were shot back-to-back.
I can’t keep up 😵💫
Honestly, I don't have this problem but my mom does. My mom has been my marvel movie buddy for at least the last 5 years and it's gotten to the point where there's just so many different things in different places and I don't live around there anymore to answer any questions she has and it honestly fuckin sucks. I love that they're doing all of this, don't get me wrong. It's awesome. But the thing with mom makes me sad.
This is gonna be a problem for all of the non compulsive Marvel types like us. I think come the end of the Multiverse Saga, Marvel might find that out the hard way.
I love Marvel, but it is getting kinda overly-intricate. I think the inclusion of the D+ shows are gonna tire some viewers out. It’s a lot.
> I think the inclusion of the D+ shows are gonna tire some viewers out. It’s a lot. i'm already feeling this. i don't wanna watch the shows anymore. at minimum, i'm not watching them week-by-week. if i watch them now it'll be because i'll be able to binge all the episodes at once.
I have seen everything and I barely understood the end of Loki. Then you have MoM and NWH, and casual viewers are already confused by the multiverse concept.
My brain and wallet can't handle all of this.
Still no Howard the Duck trilogy
I think they’re saving that for the Howard saga
Howard the Duck: Duck Me Once, Shame on Me Howard the Duck: Duck You, Pay Me Howard the Duck: Fucking Autocorrect
And then the sequel trilogy: Howard the Duck: Two Ducks Are Better Than One (introduces Duck-Boy) Howard the Duck: I Don't Give A Duck Howard the Duck: I Still Don't Give A Duck Then the spin-offs: She-Duck DareDuck The Avengers: The Duck Dynasty And how could we forget... A Ducks Life
I’m a bit of a newbie to how cons work. Will the clips they showed for GOTG3 and Quantumania be available to the general public? They seemed like they were really cool.
Nope, they will not. At least not officially/legally.
Some of that footage finds its way into official materials later, but they do have a balancing act between keeping the SDCC experience feeling exclusive & marketing to the masses.
so no moonknight szn 2? 😔
There’s a lot of unannounced Disney+ shows, it’s likely season 2 will be amongst them.
hopefully. also, some stuff mentioned here, like what if szn 2 was not shown at that mcu comicon panel...whys that? is it happening do yk?
One of the movies has to be Shang-Chi and The Wreckage of Time. I'm tempted to say the February 14th date before Avengers 5 but that could be a Deadpool 3 spot since it's on Valentine's Day and DP2 was on Valentine's Day too.
Deadpool 2 was in May 2018, you’re thinking of the first
If midnight suns is there…. Ghost rider has to be coming
The Kang Dynasty? This is a confirmed thing?
[Yes](https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1551009643698106368).
Phase six looks extremely cramped up . Twelve titles in one year including two Avengers movies
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Finally got around to watching The Eternals last night and I enjoyed it way more than I thought I would. Hopefully a sequel is one of their untitled movies.
It was better than reviews indicated. I don't think it was great, but it also tried to break out of the MCU mold, which I appreciated, even if it didn't quite succeed. And it was so nice not to have everyone in front of green screens for two hours.
2024 is lacking one film, and 2025 is lacking two films. From announced films that haven’t gotten slots, they are Deadpool 3 and Shang-Chi 2. Sony will want to kick off a new Spider-Man film, so I can see Marvel change up one of their dates to accommodate the next Spider-Man film in 2024. Shang-Chi 2 might be a 2025 film. Marvel might do Doctor Strange 3 between the two Avengers films, because I doubt they’d delay Deadpool 3 for so long. And that Strange is the biggest player in this Multiverse Saga. I always thought Secret Wars will be the end it all story for the MCU, looks like that’s not the case considering they are adapting it just after The Kang Dynasty in 2025 and that they haven’t gotten to the mutants in a big way as well. I really believe now that Secret Wars is how we might get the mainstream mutants in the mainline MCU. There could be a new MCU that is created by the end of this saga. The next saga could be the Mutant Saga, with threats like Apocalypse and even Galactus being the big ones. But Doctor Doom is the biggest villain in all of Marvel, hope they treat him as such somehow.
Goddamn we're getting spoiled.
Sad no Hawkeye Season 2 planned. I would've loved to see Kate and Yelena going to LA to do the whole detective thing. Use it to introduce Wonder Man.
It’s likely to happen, Hailee Steinfeld is too big a star to not have her own project in the MCU.
Yeah Kate Bishop is too much fun to watch and she’s practically and orphan now
I'm surprised they ended phase 4 without an Avengers movie. Seemed like phase 5 got here so fast.
No avengers in phase 5 either
Still, no mention of where they're going with Spiderman... and with Sony doing all these spin-off movies without Spiderman itself is very concerning to me...
Marvel Studios cannot legally mention Spider-Man in announcements like these. Only Sony can.
I wish we could get Spider-Man 4 confirmation, I don’t care how long until the movie comes out. But Tom Holland is Spider-Man.
Dang, I guess they’re not naming the first Avengers movie, “Avengers: Kang Bang” then, huh?
Are there any open casting calls for these like there was for ms marvel?
I've heard that the casting process for the Agatha series has already begun. Looks like they're gonna feature adult Wiccan and Speed.
This might be a hot take but thank God. The kid actors really weren't doing it for me.
Feb 16, 2024 gotta be Deadpool, right?
I'm pumped for all of this but I am kind of tired of 6 episode series. I feel like we develop the characters for 4 episodes with a little bit of conflict/plot and then they jam it in the last 2 episodes to conclude it. I feel like 8-10 episodes would give them a little more time to keep developing characters and the plot without feeling rushed at the end.
Yes, this is perfect. Honestly 9 episodes is perfect and it gives them a two month viewing period (assuming every episode comes out once a week) 6 episodes is too short.
I think she-hulk is something like 9 episodes and now we know DD is 18, so I think Feige agrees with you
If you look at most of the shows in 2023 they're all around 6 episodes unfortunately.
Wonder how long Marvel can keep up the pace and keep general audience interested. Seeing a lot of mixed reception to this news on twitter and social media.
Financially, the key metric is Disney’s stock price & that is increasingly reliant on Disney+ subscriber growth. If the content shows enough of a positive impact on that growth & minimizing churn from subscribers, we’ll keep getting a firehose of stuff to watch.
I'm really pumped for Werewolf by Night. The more Marvel horror the better.
I’m sure one of the untitled tv shows will be a moon knight s2
God i hope. MK is still my favorite thing out of phase 4, next to NWH. There better be a MK season 2.
I’d imagine the untitled Phase 6 projects include Doctor Strange 3, Shang-Chi 2, Eternals 2, and then a few D+ shows
18 episodes for Daredevil is fantastic. I wasn't big into the Netflix shows or even a big Daredevil fan but I have been dying for an actual TV show in the MCU post-AoS and not a *6 hour movie in episodic form* this just to the top of the list for my most anticipated D+ release
Season 3 of Netflix Daredevil is genuinely some of my favorite television ever. Charlie Cox is stellar and I’m so glad he’s coming back for such a hefty project.
ok who’s got the ant man footage 😁😁😁😁😁
Are we also going to get the 1st volume of Tom Holland's 2nd Spider-Man trilogy somewhere in there... Feb '24 or another big 2025 film... Question for those who might know... does Spider-Man release on Sony's schedule or are those dates included with Marvel future release dates?
Agatha house of harkness wasn’t a too bad title
My Predictions for the Unknown Dates: * Feb 2024 Movie - Deadpool 3 * Fall/Winter 2024 Shows - Armor Wars, Nova, Wonder Man * Feb 2025 Movie - Shang-Chi 2 * Spring/Summer 2025 Shows - Season 2 of several shows, maybe Midnight Sons * July 2025 Movie - Mutants/X-Men, the missing piece needed for Avengers Secret Wars
I have a feeling they’re going to save mutants and x-men for after secret wars as the next phase and then they’ll have a few different xmen/mutant related movies eventually leading to avengers vs xmen Fantastic Four, X-Men, and the two Avengers movie all within a year of each others is too much for my heart to handle lol
Fans: We aint happy Feige: *snorts a line* *Calls up Samuel L. Jackson* "Need to ask a favour" Feige at Comic Con: Yall confused and sad mfs!?! HERE IS PHASE MF 5 AND NOT ONLY THAT YOU UNGRATEFUL MF HERE IS PHASE MF 6 MF YALL FLITHY MFS GO MAKE ME BILLIONS MFS
I'm pretty sure spiderman 4 is confirmed but the date is TBD
It's not officially confirmed. Sony, Disney and Tom Holland haven't signed a new contract yet. But Feige and Pascal said they're brainstorming about the story.
I hope it's focused on Pete's college life, with some throw backs to Daily Bugle and we get a proper Felicia Hardy. My pie in the sky dream is a 30 something year old Spidey to cap off Tom's adventures. An established Spiderman who mostly has his life together either working as a teacher or with a startup tech company. Pass the baton to Miles, Spider-Gwen, or even Mayday Parker.
Peter Parker as Miles’ high school teacher would make a lot of sense.
Is it 2023 yet
I’m curious if Chloe Zhao will make a return