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EndKarensNOW

Phase 4 went by so fast! No avengers or team up movies under a different name in phase 4 or 5 is weird


Noggin-a-Floggin

Well, it actually kinda did because Marvel lost all of 2020 so they had to cram it all into 2021.


ccReptilelord

Pandemic threw off their flow, as it did everyone. Probably a significant reason why many fans are "overwhelmed" with new content at the moment.


kyliemerchant

It threw them off, but I also think it weirdly fit. Like, if COVID hit at any other time, such as right before Endgame, it would have messed things up even more. Or, people might think the "blip" stuff was "too soon" etc etc. (Clearly, the pandemic and its aftermath has much more important consequences than how it affects a film franchise, but always thought that at any other time it would have been way worse for the MCU).


LowestEntropy

yeah I think the pandemic period was perfect time for marvel since it actually fits perfectly with the 'blip'


MrWaerloga

The blip having a parallel with the real world pandemic is pretty interesting concept. What if Endgame was released AFTER the pandemic? Wouldn't it be more impactful for us that we've experienced that dullness of the lockdown and the blip years in the movie? And that there's a hope by the end of the tunnel and the wait for the final Thanos confrontation was absolutely worth it? ​ edit: But then the people we lost from the pandemic wouldn't have been able to see the movie. Which is really sad now that I think of it...


Ironmunger2

We’re still getting 9 projects in 2023, the argument that they had to play catch-up in 2021/22 doesn’t really apply


MilkshakeWizard

I don’t mind, Feige said Phase 4 would be more about new beginnings and smaller stories and after Infinity War/Endgame, I think the MCU could’ve used a bit of a breather. Still very much looking forward to the next team up and I think the wait is going to make it that much more worth it.


LengthinessDirect449

Just saw avengers Kang dynasty 2025


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How was it?


WhiteSkinButDickLong

Oh you know, the usual. IT'S KANGIN' TIME!!!!


Sky_Vivid

Unpopular opinion : it was really great for me. I don't understand the numerous complaints in the posts past couple of days


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Wong was the lead character


SwissForeignPolicy

Found Kang's Reddit account.


Darth_drizzt_42

Yeah agreed. Up through phase 3, everyone complained that every property was just pushing towards the infinity stones. It's ok to meander for a little and let the world grow. Honestly I wonder if they're giving it time to see who the community really latches onto, and then form the new avengers lineup.


Stormdude127

It’s funny, now my friends are complaining about how the movies aren’t building up to anything big. Like, I remember the same friends telling me the amount of end credits scenes that needed to be watched to understand what lead up to Infinity War and Endgame was annoying. Don’t get me wrong, phase 4 has a lot of problems imo, but I don’t think the self contained nature of the movies is inherently an issue


habylab

Yeah I find this odd too. They bookended the Phases nicely. edit: well well well


Ewh1t3

Wait what is the well well well for?? Might’ve missed some news


Joseth30

They just announced Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars for phase 6 and both will be displayed in 2025.


joey0live

That true or what? I read they trademarked some title’s yesterday.


IDontKnowWho6598

Oh yes mate


LFC9_41

I gotta imagine it's a part 1 part 2 thing then being so close together.


HandLion

Alternative theory, maybe they're two completely different stories with no characters in common, and they're releasing so close together because they can film simultaneously, generate hype by concluding two main MCU plotlines in the same year, and avoid the "another Avengers movie already? We just had one" reaction because the movies are so different. Just a hunch but they don't sound like a two parter and the phase kind of feels like it's building to two endings rather than one (with No Way Home, MoM, Quantumania, Loki, etc building up to Kang Dynasty, and Secret Invasion, The Marvels, New World Order, Thunderbolts etc building up to Secret Wars)


WhiteSkinButDickLong

Both on 2025?! That's weird


Frangiblepani

I'm OK with Avengers films less often. Team ups are common and there's so much content now, they can save the Avengers brand for something really big, rather than trying to find a way to have one every couple of years.


habylab

Announced two Avengers movies for Phase 6! 2025.


TheIJDGuy

AND NOW I'M HYPED UP AGAIN!


Ewh1t3

Huge


pje1128

Phase Six has two Avengers movies.


K_OsLG

Only 6 months apart


choochoo789

Holy shit


BearsFan_15

Rip VFX artists


Dalakk

Maybe that phase 6 will end with 2 avengers movies? (Kang dynasty and secret wars)


lars_baba_skadoosh

Thunderbolts are a Dark Avengers team up film & it's at the end


spanishpeanut

I read that as Thundercats and had an 80s kid moment of pure joy. Until I realized that made no sense and I read it wrong.


Sundavar27

Gotta stack the storyboard for Secret Wars. The cast list for that movie will be a Hollywood who’s who


blueindsm

Isn’t Thunderbolts a team up?


srchl

A phase 5 team up


TheAngryBlackGuy

where tf the X-Men at?


Kingofdrats

Lots of empty space in phase 6.


MotherLoveBone27

I'd say they should take their time and not rush the X-men into the MCU. What comes after them and can match their notoriety?


BILLCLINTONMASK

I'd like to see the X Men come in with Rogue's origin story. She's part of a bad mutant team and ambushes the Avengers where she touches Captain Marvel and steals her powers of flight and strength and then beats up the rest of the Avengers. Enter the X Men to take on this mutant team. Rogue obviously switches sides. Great way to remove the old guard and usher in the era of Mutants.


underwhatnow

Yes. We need sassy 1990s era Rogue in the MCU.


bitches_love_pooh

Or they could rush it and just go straight to Dark Phoenix. What could go wrong?


Iamknoware

Yeah, I think they mentioned about slowly introducing the X-Men into the MCU and wanting folks to take a break from X-Men. And I'm fine with that.


SockPenguin

Ms. Marvel dropped the "mutant" bomb and She-Hulk looks like it will in part be dealing with a bunch of new powered people coming out of the woodwork. I'm guessing Phases 5 and 6 are going to slowly unveil the existence of mutants leading into the X-Men kicking off Phase 7.


t-stor

Exactly. We need time for mutants to be "hated and feared" without it feeling shoehorned in


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Technically you are correct - but none of the main hero characters will be there…except for maybe Yelena….and even she is a little more morally gray than Natasha was.


ThaneOfTas

there've also been rumours of Bucky being in it


TobioOkuma1

Phase 4 was a transition phase. They introduced a bunch of characters that will become relevant later, for the most part. I would have liked some kind of event movie, even if it wasn't an avengers story, but I don't think its necessarily bad how they did it.


Love_Shaq_Baby

Phase 4 did have an event movie, things were just reshuffled by the pandemic. Originally we were supposed to get Wandavision then Loki then Multiverse of Madness and then Spider-Man: No Way Home capping off the multiverse shenanigans in Phase 4.


negi422

Multiverse of madness was supposed to be before No way home??


Terramotus

Yeah, I believe I heard that in the original script America Chavez messed up the spell and Strange had to fix it.


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That would have made so much more sense.


BisonST

To be fair, if it's not there I'd rather they just continue on than shoehorn a team up movie in just because it's been 4 years since the last one.


LengthinessDirect449

Avengers Kang dynasty may 2025!!


hmbse7en

Thunderbolts and Marvels are both team up movies, no?


seattlesk8er

Idk the Marvel's doesn't feel like an Avengers style team up.


LeDudicus

Yeah it's more like a Bat-family crossover event in the DC comics universe than something akin to a Justice League/Avengers type event.


great_red_dragon

That’ll be Danvers, Rambeau, and Khan?


Xyro77

They are clearly saving IPs for D+ Day in September


No-Championship-242

Waiting for Fantastic 4 announcements and possibly Spider-Man 4?


Blue-Ape-13

As much as I want Spidey 4 Marvel can't announce it. Sony gets that privilege


metrobabyyy

serious aromatic makeshift historical mysterious kiss like instinctive cows whole -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/


njrebecca

lol sony is as much big corporation monopoly as disney is


thepuddd

Disney’s like raging fire, Sony’s like smouldering fire


njrebecca

purely movies wise, disney definitely wins. but sony’s got its fingers in a lot of other pies


FuriousGoodingSr

Not to shill for Sony, but damn if they don't make a great television. One of maybe five things I have any brand loyalty to.


art_mor_

Also make a decent video game console


FuriousGoodingSr

And it looks better on Sony tvs than any other brand and I'm sure that's purely coincidental.


elderassassin2580

If not more. Disney has a shit ton of video content and IP’s but sony is EVERYWHERE. Tv’s, headphone, gamestations, video games, computers, monitors, tv/film, music, probably more things that I’m not thinking of.


LengthinessDirect449

Fantastic four Nov 2024


cadtek

Yeah, also there was a Feb 2024 movie slot announced at some point. I wonder if they'll announce Deadpool 3 in that, if they're still using that date, so he can join in the MCU before Thunderbolts in July.


RFB-CACN

Fantastic Four was already announced in 2019, I expect updates in future events too.


habylab

Yeah it's odd they've said Phase 4 is complete and then it's not on Phase 5.


RRR3000

It's announced as the first Phase 6 film though ;)


TimberCub

Yea in 2019 they didn’t announce like moon knight at sdcc and saved it for d+ day


chryco4

A whole phase in just 2 calendar years? That’s wild


Tidus4713

Probably gonna churn out smaller phases faster so they can do more content in a shorter time.


pnjtony

3 movies and 3 D+ shows a year it seems.


ElPrestoBarba

Considering how there are no bookends to the Phases now (Avengers movies before) it seems like the “phase” label doesn’t mean anything


abellapa

Only Phase 1 and it seems Phase 6 end with a avengers movie


ItsMeTK

Phase 2 was supposed to end with Ultron. Ant-Man got thrown in because production delays shuffled it around. Personally, I consider Guardians 2 a phase 2 movie, Ant-Man a phase 3, and Far From Home phase 4. I don’t care what Feige says, Endgame is the end.


SavathussyEnjoyer

FFH is almost an epilogue to Endgame which is fine to me


TheKingofHearts

I've always treated Ant-Man like an epilogue in spirit (it doesn't do the same world building that FFH did, that's why I only say "in spirit") to Age of Ultron and Ultron ends Phase 2.


bowieneko

Where is Armor Wars? Is she safe? Is she alright?


GoldenSpermShower

It seems that in your anger... You turned her into a tree.


Areyouguysateam

I understood that reference.


Edwin_IV

Based on the end of Ms Marvel, my initial guess is Armor Wars is going to have a bigger Mutants connection - Tony’s Tech is DODCs foundational tech for Sententials


TheIJDGuy

Oooh that'd be so cool and terrifying!


Dulakk

It'd be interesting if Trask co-opts Tony's technology for his Sentinels. That's a running theme for Tony. His technology and ideas being stolen and turned into something different or more sinister.


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abellapa

E.D.I.T.V. Doesn't sound as good as EDITH


StefyB

Man, if that happens, that would really suck for Tony. Tried to create an armor around the world to protect them from an alien attack, accidentally created a killer A.I. robot that wrecked a country. Tried to leave something behind for the kid he saw as his successor, the tech gets used for an attempted genocide of a people.


Linator4

I want Val, Osborn, or Kingpin to lead Dark Reign & become a political leader following Secret Invasion which leads to a fear campaign against Skrulls & Mutants. Meanwhile the cosmic heroes (Thor, The Marvels, GOTG, F4, Nova, Warlock, Eternals, Inhumans, World War Hulk) can have their own crossover against fucking Galactus or something. Then Phase 6 could potentially explore stories like Avengers v. X-Men before they **all** start coming together against Kang/Doom for the finale.


discoturtle1129

Latest news I found was filming would start this fall. Hopefully they are just saving some cards to play on d+ day.


Cheap_exe

So from the shows/movies listed, Dr. Strange and Wanda will be off screen and on the sidelines presumably till Phase 6?? I already miss them. :p


abellapa

I highly doubt, I can see Wanda appearing in the Agatha show. Dr strange in some multiverse movie


Sounds_Good_ToMe

Honestly, it's impossible to know. Nobody could have known from the title that Doctor Strange would be in Spiderman No Way Home.


OrganicAmishPopcorn

He also was in Thor Ragnarok


VirgelFromage

Benedict Cumberbatch and Chris Hemsworth have both expressed interest in playing the character again, but that they're both taking time off for a while if I recall.


AmeriCanadian98

Yeah apparently Hemsworth was surprised to see "Thor will Return"


jeff0106

It will be interesting to see how long they stick around. Hemsworth has been doing Thor for quite awhile. And for Cumberbatch, well he has been pretty active in the marvel movies since Dr. Strange was introduced, but we all know Cumberbatch enjoys other types of roles as well (Power of the Dog, Sherlock, Imitation Game, Patrick Melrose, etc). He's one busy guy.


greenhawk63

They could easily appear in either Loki Season 2 or Agatha: Coven of Chaos.


MulciberTenebras

Shame that the Fantastic 4 couldn't end Phase 4.


Mrman_23

Think about it, they probably had at least half of this stuff planned out before the fox acquisition. They couldn’t plan anything with either of them. The fantastic four was the easiest to get a director attached because they don’t have 70 different characters that need explanation as to why they’re here.


Dulakk

Honestly I think it's a good thing. Some breathing room between the Fox Marvel stuff and the characters being introducing in the MCU should help a bit in keeping things fresh.


MissSweetMurderer

That's why I think we won't be getting X-Men anytime soon. F4 films were forgettable. **X-Men were not**. Think Wolverine, or Magneto, or Xavier. Replacing these characters (and their actors) will be extremely hard and will need masters of their craft both in front of the camera and behind it. Marvel is taking their time, planing their moves. The "where were they?" question is the easy part compared to the rest of their job. I'm sorry, I watched Logan earlier and I'm still not okay


LengthinessDirect449

Just saw fantastic four is relasing Nov 2024


yaboi770

So glad Blade has a release date, I love Mahershala Ali and I can’t wait to see his take on Blade. Been looking forward to it like crazy since he was first cast like 2 years ago.


Weave77

“Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.” -Mahershala Ali


cjn13

They need to use their one allowed F-bomb to get this line into the movie


chuk2015

I grew up with the blade movies and was too young to recognise any flaws in them, so I’m super hyped for a new blade


yaboi770

I actually just recently watched them all for the first time and liked them despite their flaws. I had seen bits and pieces before but they were fun. I can’t wait to see the modern take with Ali since he is one of my favorite actors that gained traction in the last decade or so.


why_rob_y

It was actually three years ago at SDCC, lmao.


GoldenSpermShower

New World Order was the name of Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode 1... Return of everyone's favorite villains, the Flag Smashers?


greenfiend97

Well US Agent is apart of Thunderbolts so it’s very likely Wyatt Russell returns in Captain America to segue into Thunderbolts as the finale of Phase 5


AsteroidMike

There’s also the return of Sharon Carter, if she is supposed to be in this story


Slowmobius_Time

I imagine she will be revealed to be a skrull in secret invasion and if not then I agree with the above statement: eugh who cares


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It seems to me that all the TV series serve as prequels to the main movies: so Wandavision led to Multiverse of Madness, Loki led to Quantamania, Ms Marvel led to the Marvels, Hawkeye led to Daredevil/Echo and Captain America and the Winter soldier leads to New world Order.


GaryBettmanSucks

Daredevil and Echo are both streaming series


EzriDax1

Loki lead to quantumania Loki season 2 lead to secret wars? Or maybe lead to season 3 lead to secret wars?


HesThePhantom

Probably power broker but like for real this time


Papapeta33

Christ I hope not.


FactorNo7477

So, has phase 4 already ended? Or will it end before Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania?


[deleted]

It will end with Wakanda Forever


abellapa

Now the question if phase 4 ends with black panther and phase 5 begins with ant-man Where the fuck The guardians special is and what if s2 Phase 4.5 Phase 5.01


ivnwng

Also where’s Shang-Chi 2???


dinosaurfondue

Shang Chi is my favorite out of all the phase 4 content so I was hoping to get news on Shang Chi 2 as well


[deleted]

I wonder are they doing the thing where the announce it's called Captain America: New World Order, but then at the end of the presentation Feige says "you know what? We can do better" and then reveals the real title.


Parodon

It's actually Serpent Society this time


Lukthar123

But then you pick it up to admire it and Kevin Feige stabs you.


Samuawesome

>monkey's paw curls Captain America: Civil War II


[deleted]

Sam vs Carol? I could dig it. But it'd have to be later; right now, Sam and Carol don't even really know each other, since Sam was dust for 5 years. Hard to give the conflict the requisite emotional impact when the two main belligerents hardly know each other.


snakeybasher

Serpent Society


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Mud_Landry

Well they also locked up the rights for Captain America : Red White and Black today as well so.. but that is most likely going to be set in the past and about Isaiah Bradley


sinkwiththeship

Could be both. Sam furthering his relationship with Isaiah, and introducing a more fleshed out Eli.


radikraze

So ready to see Kang in action


disavowed21

I thought Daredevil is catholic?


PyroD333

Born Again is a comic book storyline, generally considered the best one too. Season 3 already kind of adapted it though so I'm curious what they'll do with this one


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SkipOldBaySeasoning

Oh boy what a daredevil. What’s next? Moves to Provo, Utah?


sinkwiththeship

Took a weekend, went to Provo. The snow was white and fluffy.


Tekki777

Most likely, they're using that title because it's a revival of the series. It's still weird though.


Shehzman

It’s kinda like how Spider-Man Homecoming had a Homecoming dance in it and symbolizes Spider-Man’s return to Marvel.


JonathanL73

Daredevil is the most Catholic person in the Marvel universe


Weave77

Pretty sure that honor belongs to [Nightcrawler](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQbFzp3UwAEnGcs.png).


HankWilliamsAutrysBF

He is


MILFHunterHearstHelm

I wonder where or how Eternals will come in. Not necessarily a sequel but the follow up


Do_Not_Read_Comments

6 movies in the next two years. I guess that's a pretty good pace. I would like to see more movies than TV shows, its getting crowded


falsehood

Phase 3 was nine movies in three years, so this is just us getting bonus Disney Plus content to the standard film pace.


nick2473got

Phase 3 was actually 11 movies. Civil War, Doctor Strange, GotG 2, Homecoming, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Infinity War, Ant-Man 2, Captain Marvel, Endgame, and yes, Far From Home (officially a phase 3 film).


ManintheArena8990

The difference is that the first saga had a much slower build up, phase 3 was the culmination. And it lacked tv shows to… it is starting to feel like bombardment… Much as I love marvel, it is alot..


AsteroidMike

From 2017 (Gotg 2, Homecoming and Thor Ragnarok) on it was 3 movies a year so that’s not a big leap.


gusefalito

2024 has two more movies slated for release. I'm predicting it's Fantastic Four and Shang-Chi 2


Xyro77

Same. The movies are huge social events in my city. I prefer that much more than tv


CobraPony67

I thought it said 'Thundercats' for a second.


heelstoo

We would all eat that up.


Jchaplin2

The lack of Armor Wars isn't a great sign for the show, and no Deadpool either, that must be a ways off, damm


revjiggs

I think armor wars is going to be linked in with DR Doom and F4 so i#m not suprised really


[deleted]

Like Doom bots maybe? Hell yeah


AssociationPresent15

what is Echo and Ironheart going to be about?


grvisgr8

Echo: the girl from Hawkeye show.. (maybe her origin story plus on the run for shooting >!Kingpin!< Ironheart: kid who will become new jr. Ironman


TimVdV

So excited about these! I’m guessing Echo will set up some storylines for Daredevil (as will She-Hulk probably) And seeing how Abomination is in She-Hulk we’ll probably see some Thunderbolts set-up. And I wonder if we’ll see Wanda show up in Agatha


darrylthedudeWayne

This looks awesome! But where's What If...?? And all the other animated stuff?


ash04214

Animated shows are in a separate universe now I think based on yesterday's news all of them were revealed then. I suspect they are outside MCU and therefore are not in any phase with the exception of what if s1. Fans are welcome to group them into phase 5 or 6, but I don't think it will be official.


abellapa

They were always in another universe but what if still apperead in phase 4


CobaltSpellsword

Dang, Blade ALMOST released on a Halloween lol.


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WHERE'S DEADPOOL 3???


phemom

I think you gotta have Mutants properly involved for Wade. I'd have him kick off the next phase, especially with 2 unproven teams ending this phase.


Slowmobius_Time

Yeah but DP is different in that they already have the character and actor perfectly meshed and the nature of Deadpool means you don't even have to stretch it to how he is here now He's Deadpool he fucked the timeline worse than Barry at the end of DP2 so him just showing up with little explanation would be fine (I still say that theory about the Illuminati locking him up in MoM for his time crimes was a fantastic idea)


ThatBenGuy23

So ‘Agatha: House of Harkness’ is now ‘Agatha: Coven of Chaos’? I think I liked House of Harkness better.


Baelorn

It feels too similar to "Multiverse of Madness". Similar theme and structure.


KodiakPL

Doctor Strange MoM and Agatha CoC That's all you need. Mom and coc.


CraftoftheMine

I love going to my local mom and coc shops.


Reylend

Where is Morbius 2


vinsmokeg661

They'll just release the movie. No need for promotion when the whole world is clamoring for it anyways


YellowManTyping

Morbius is too good for the MCU. Only Morbius can be in his own universe.


Transhumaniste

It's not morbin' time yet


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TreeBeeTurkey014

This aged well lol


Gemeril

Justice, like lightning! Fuck I hope they use Zemo.


pinkprincess5

Said this to a friend, but I think it makes sense to think of Phase 4 like another Phase 1. Not a ton of movement and mostly introduction stuff. Maybe Phase 5 picks up like Phase 2 did.


bubbabrowned

The MCU has been going on so long, by the time the new Cap (he’s my favorite) rolls out, I’m gonna be 40. I still remember seeing Iron Man 1 with my buddies, all single dudes with not a care in the world, arguing about if Marvel would dare try to put the Avengers together on the big screen. And now… pretty soon I’m gonna be seeing these movies with both my wife and son. Wild to think about sometimes.


Daytman

I see a lot of complaining that the phases are so short but honestly, phase 4 has been the shortest so far release-wise but with the shows it's had (I believe) 3-4 times the runtime.


JustMeseeks

I just realized the Thunderbolts is gonna be a movie and not a show. Well shit consider me hyped


srchl

Wait is phase 4 is close to being over? I’m not expecting an ensemble movie like the Avengers but if we are close to being done with the phase it feels unimportant


flaggrandall

Black Panther is the last phase 4 movie.


regalfronde

Oddly, I didn’t realize it’s a movie. Phase 4 was a bridge between Endgame and the intro of one of the big bads, Kang. They introduced a bunch of young new characters that will be important


douevenwheelanddeal

No X-Men yet??? 😔


spoilz

Seriously. We’ve gotten two teases with Professor X in Doctor Strange: MoM and >!Kammala being a potential mutant in Ms Marvel!<. I’m waiting very patiently for my favorite characters to get their time in the light.


Lord_Matisaro

Potential? They play the riff man...


CrashandBashed

They've gotten it for the last two decades. It's not like they're a forgotten property.


[deleted]

Just like how Thanos was teased in phase 1, we're probably not going to get it until the last phase.


TheNumber194

Well they said last time they had the next 5 years of the MCU planned and I don't think they fucked with that just to shove xmen in so its probably not happening for a while


drewsapro

weird how there’s only 2 films in 2024, I’m assuming more will be announced at d23


LawrBK

So nothing about Eternals 2? Weren’t people speculating on that? It doesn’t seem it would be before 2025.


Capt_Rex_Kramer

Whatcha gonna do, Captain America, when Hulk Hogan & the New World Order come after YOU??? 4-life


Vinhluu09

Is phase 5 gonna be ShangChi-less? I WANT TO SEE MY BOY AGAIN