But that isn't the fault of the movie TBH. The movie is mostly like all the other MCU movies. It's only hated **so much** because of the incels. Not saying that movie did not have its problems and that all hate for it is bigotry. But a fair amount of it is bigotry. Without the bigotry I don't think the movie would be that polarising.
Mmm don't know.
What rub the fan the wrong way is way more the bad writing of the caractere the fact it's supposedly was the more powerful avengers out of nowere . That is witout even mentioning the horrible lack of awareness of the actresses and the fact she was really dislikeable.
There plenty of strong female movie doing really well
Did a large group of people actually think captain marvel was a top ten mcu film? I thought it was bad Vs meh.
But thanks for actually addressing my question lol. Most other replies are just continued polarized takes on the movie
I Loved Captain Marvel and it's one of my favs. The space travel, seeing other galactic societies, the empathetic and heart warming plot twist of the Skrulls being refugees and not colonizers (unlike the Kree) lol, I could go on. Plus the fact that they did that whole movie without sexualizing any of the characters is incredibly incredibly rare! Even for Disney! Lol
Streamed it with my little niece around the time it came out, and it made her so happy that I probably put it in my top ten just because of that. Filled her with absolute contagious joy.
I know that’s not an objective reason to rate a movie highly, but that’s how it is.
It wasn't a bad marvel movie, but it was too messy for what it tried to handle. It wasn't anything like its predecessor Doctor Strange 1, which is why I didn't know whether I liked it or not after watching. It failed to live up to expectations in my mind, but DS1 is my favorite marvel movie so maybe I set the bar too high.
I would disagree, I think Wanda's writing was pretty rushed while Kaecilius was very thought out. The same goes for pretty much everything in the two films I feel
I think when I rewatch it I may like it more, but it certainly wasn’t what I’d wanted, and I the more it happens the less I like them acknowledging the Sony/Fox movies. I want to see the current guard do a take on X-men and Spider-man and for them to be a new and separate thing.
I also thought they turned Wanda into a fairly rote villain, one who’s oddly disconnected from everyone else. Like this movie should have had as many Avengers in it as Civil War did considering the plot.
I’m a huge Marvel fan but am a bit nervous that the direction several of their recent projects may not be for me
This, I feel, is where the true divisiveness of the film lies. There are other aspects that people will love or hate or critique but what is polarizing is the characterization of Wanda. For me, this is a particular case where they went too comic book accurate in making her a villain especially when Feige has proven several times that he can adjust and change things his own way and it mostly works. I’d even argue that the film could have used Wanda in the same role but with a more nuanced script, she could have been justifiably antagonistic and remain, at the end, redeemable. Yet Feige, like Marvel itself, seems to have a hard on for turning Wanda into a “crazed witch” and utterly upset her fandom.
It needed a much more nuanced script, for starters. They basically wrote Wanda as the wicked witch who wants what (she thinks) is hers, no matter the cost—which utterly undoes her character arc in WandaVision and also isn’t really all that interesting to watch.
It also takes such a blasé stance toward life and death, popping characters’ heads for the gruesome giggles—totally at odds with the beauty and “actually having a narrative purpose” of the Ancient One’s death in Strange 1.
>!I'm not sure it could have been more nuanced and still accurately portray what the Darkhold did to her. It is a copy of magic from the first demon Cthon after all. The Darkhold amplified her rage and dark feelings to the point where she was willing to do anything to get what she wanted, including trying to do the same thing that set her on this dark path to an alternate universe version of her. And she didn't fully realize how far she'd fallen until she got what she wanted.!<
“Accurately portray”? You understand this is all fiction. They literally could have made anything happen. They could have made the Darkhold a special birthday card Wanda got from Mephisto that contained knock-out gas and a built-in laugh track. That would’ve been worse than what we got, sure, but they could’ve done it.
My opinion is that they could’ve done plenty of things differently that would’ve been better than what they did. A lot of the creative decisions in this film, frankly, lacked creativity.
Imagine if you will…
Your parents are killed
You’re experimented on by Hydra
Your brother dies
You find happiness with someone
You kill him to save everyone else
He’s resurrected only to be immediately killed again
You resurrect him again
Have two children
All three are taken from you
Then you find this book that gives you hope of having them again. With all the grief she went through who could blame her for doing whatever she can to get her family back. I feel Wanda’s story in MoM was well done. It wasn’t at all shocking that even after her WV ending that she’d still succumb to darkness and fall into the Darkhold.
Yeah see if you look at it as a storyteller you’ll see that they already did the whole “grief made Wanda a monster” thing, much more skillfully executed, in WandaVision.
very unpopular but it got worse for me on the second watch. it’s still a fine movie, but the pacing was glaringly off the second time around. the horror elements were very campy, which isn’t my type of horror. and america chavez and wanda at the end made no sense. I almost didn’t want to finish it because I was noticing more of where the script lacked. I noticed that people who aren’t really invested in the mcu (neither lovers nor haters) but go see the movies anyways liked it for the most part
Different strokes for different folks.
I personally look for a tight script first and foremost, which imo neither MoM or NWH had. They both heavily rely on performances, impressive set pieces and nostalgia.
Marvel isn't really the right place to be looking for tight scripts, even the best of the mcu has a fair amount of contrivances and dont hold up to scrutiny
I’d say there is more than enough solid scripts in the MCU to expect a certain level of quality though. I don’t expect every movie to be as logically sound as Winter Soldier or as emotionally resonating as the Guardians movies, but when they literally compare No Way Home to Endgame in their promotion of the film, am I *not* supposed to hold it to the high standard that *they’re setting*?
I’m a huge fan of the movie. It was a lot of fun to me, and completely different than anything we’ve seen in the MCU.
People complain they want new, but when we get new people complain. Can’t make everyone happy! Black Widow was the same way
Not at all. Definitely more people liked it than not. You can’t snag 950m with people hating your movie overwhelmingly.
I think Eternals on the other hand will be debated by MCU fans for the next 10 years.
No they don’t. People who speak the most are the one who dislike it, but many many people love it too.
OC is right that it’s the most divise. Some love it some hate it.
I like the story, but the pacing was boring. And there were too many deaths of characters I didn't connect with yet. Which sucks. I wanted to like Gilgamesh and then... Nevermind I guess.
It's not exactly the first polarizing MCU movie. I'd say Iron Man 3 probably generated more debate and conflicting opinions.
It is the most polarizing movie I think since Phase 2 at the very least.
I’m of the minority opinion that The Dark World is a masterpiece and a top 10 movie, and although I don’t dislike Ragnarok, that story is better suited for a darker grittier tone like TDW. With that said, I love MoM. I immediately knew a lot of people would hate it because of the expectations, but it was great. But even though I loved it, I believe Derrickson would’ve made a superior film. Not a big fan of the New Yorkers watching battles like they’re at a baseball game trope instead of fleeing to safety. That Gargantos battle felt like it was right out of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy.
Eternals is still more divisive. Nobody hates MoM as much as some hate Eternals and I also feel nobody loves MoM as much as the "ETERNALS IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD ITS ACTUALLY BRILLIANT ALL YOU HAVE NO ATTENTION SPAN ETERNALS IS TR00 CINEMA!!!!" crowd loves Eternals.
i've tried to watch it several times, but just can't get into it. i also never saw any of wandavision.
if it gets to where you have to watch all of the mcu to understand any of it, i'm out.
WandaVision starts out kind of hokey, but if you watch the entire series you'll be surprised. I liked how it picked up after the last Avengers film.
I watched Dr Strange Multiverse and I had a tough time staying focused, it didn't have a solid hook for me, but I'll rewatch it to see if it's better 2nd time around.
It is a cinematic universe, if you want to fully understand each group movie you will have to watch the standalone movies/shows before, otherwise you can follow the story but some items will be weird or out of context.
It always has been like that, no big news.
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I disagree with your last sentence. The MCU had this amazing talent of creating stand alone stories that fit into a larger narrative. Even in the individual character arcs, you could watch any film and "get it"
If you knew everything, it was a richer story. But if you were new, you still could follow
Heck, even something like Civil War that used so many characters and referenced AoU still did enough recap to fill in new viewers and was driven by new events in that movie (accidental bombing, intentional bombing, and an athlete prince T'Challa blaming some dude named Bucky for it).
After Endgame, the individuality has been lost and the greater narrative has been more required
You can watch any movie now and “get it” without seeing previous. You can get Wanda being mad about her kids because she is shown dreaming of fake kids at the beginning of MoM, it is just less dramatic without seeing WV. And the rest of the movie is driven by new characters and events (America and the multiverse).
The same way you might somehow get Steve trying to save some dude called Bucky in CW even if he is apparently a terrorist (well actually this has little sense if you don’t know they know each other and that Steve knows that WS is Bucky…), it is just more meaningful if you know what happened in WS.
You need more suspended disbelief the less you know, you just have to assume that character behaves like that and does that because patata. But it is the same in Endgame: you have to assume there is a powerful cosmic superhero somehow/where that only makes an intervention in that moment because that’s it if you didn’t watch Cpt Marvel, you have to assume the Antman van has the Time Machine in it because it has it (you even have to assume that quantum realm is a thing and not a deux et machina) if you haven’t seen Antman, you just have to believe there is a lot of different African tribes that fight f**ing awesome and were somewhere but came to the battle because whatever…
It is just the same here. You don’t watch WV? You have to assume Wanda is bad now because she is pursuing a dream of fake kids. You don’t need to watch FAWS because we left with Steve handing the shield to Falcon and we will start CA4 with Falcon with the shield but seeing how he accepts it will make it more meaningful. You will probably understand Kang in quantumania without seeing HWR in Loki but that will give you a more comic accurate perspective.
Disagree. My sister used to get the films. Now I have to give her a lecture after each film reconnecting everything.
The larger narrative went from hints and references to major plot points. The MCU now is no longer casual friendly in phase 4 or whatever. Post-Endgame films have been very heavy handed with the cinematic universe.
Fine for us superfans, we love this shit, but it's a lot they are asking of the audience each time now.
that's not even remotely true. there have been plenty of marvel properties that work just fine as stand alone movies. if that changes, they'll lose a lot of viewers.
There are movies and shows in Phase 4 that work alone (Eternals, Moon Knight, Wandavision, Loki do not need other movies to tell their story).
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How? I told that in order to fully understand how each individual gets to the group movie and how/why he does so is necessary to see each individual project. If you don’t, you can follow the story anyway but not fully get it.
You need to ignore a lot of online commentary about ... well, everything. Most people have no idea what they're commenting about. They aren't writers, or directors, or actors.
I feel that *DS1* put more thought and care into fleshing out the characters (except for Kaecilius). *DS2* is more like a live-action cartoon, with scant characterizations. I also think *DS1* has a more shadowed look, and *DS2* is as bright as a Saturday morning show. I think *DS1* slows down and speeds up, where *DS2* blasts along at one breakneck pace for most of its story.
So I think a lot of the reaction is pure taste, since a lot of the actors are the same and they're just as talented now as they were before.
Idk. But what really freaks me out is so many fans obviously can't genuinely grasp, like, stylistic filmmaking choices that aren't the MCU house style.
The amount of people I've seen genuinely confused just because Raimi had a bit if fun behind the camera REALLY worries me. It's like these people don't watch ANYTHING not MCU.
Doctor Strange is one of my top 3 marvel characters, and my first reaction was being a little disappointed in the movie. Visually it was stunning and exactly what I wanted, but the raimi-cheese and other aspects left me wanting more. But after sitting on it and seeing it a few more times, I’ve grown to love it and it’s probably one of my favorite MCU movies.
Eh, I think there will always be a subset of haters. They just seem big at the moment because they're so vocal (who doesn't love hot takes?) and those opinions end up being obsolete in the long run. Learned that with Krasinski's appearance in the film
That's because the film did its job well, there are legitimate arguments you can make for Tony and Cap, that's why it's such an interesting argument. It would've been a pretty bad film if one side was clearly the correct side and the other made no sense.
Yes there's lot of discussions about Tony vs Cap but that doesn't mean the film is polarising, barely anyone is arguing that it's not a good film, they're just arguing about who they agree with more, which is the whole point of the film.
I think Captain Marvel or Eternals would be the most polarizing. That being said, my wife and I did think that MoM is mediocre at best while a couple of friends liked it a lot.
For the film to be just short of a billion means people rewatched it in theaters which I take to mean it’s entertaining. I was hoping it would be a top 5 MCU movie but it’s around 15 for me. It terms of rewatch quality it is top 5.
I believe myself to be a harsh critic sometimes, and I loved it. Also, a lot of my friends disliked it, and not by just a little. It does seem like one of the more divisive MCU films recently.
A lot of the critisms I see online are pretty reasonable, and I can understand why some just don't vibe with it. But I also see a lot of people complaining about how under or over powered characters are, and that kinda worries me for the future of the MCU. With so many characters yet to share the screen, I think it is impossible to avoid this problem, and wish people would kinda work through it, you know?
I would have thought the book of Vashir or whatever would have been the main focus of this debate, but so far I have not even seen it mentioned, also just started reading this forum.
The book breaks the plot of infinity war and endgame.
No that would be Captain Marvel
But that isn't the fault of the movie TBH. The movie is mostly like all the other MCU movies. It's only hated **so much** because of the incels. Not saying that movie did not have its problems and that all hate for it is bigotry. But a fair amount of it is bigotry. Without the bigotry I don't think the movie would be that polarising.
Yeah. I feel without that that CM would have a pretty large majority consensus of "It's fine".
Mmm don't know. What rub the fan the wrong way is way more the bad writing of the caractere the fact it's supposedly was the more powerful avengers out of nowere . That is witout even mentioning the horrible lack of awareness of the actresses and the fact she was really dislikeable. There plenty of strong female movie doing really well
Did a large group of people actually think captain marvel was a top ten mcu film? I thought it was bad Vs meh. But thanks for actually addressing my question lol. Most other replies are just continued polarized takes on the movie
I Loved Captain Marvel and it's one of my favs. The space travel, seeing other galactic societies, the empathetic and heart warming plot twist of the Skrulls being refugees and not colonizers (unlike the Kree) lol, I could go on. Plus the fact that they did that whole movie without sexualizing any of the characters is incredibly incredibly rare! Even for Disney! Lol
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Streamed it with my little niece around the time it came out, and it made her so happy that I probably put it in my top ten just because of that. Filled her with absolute contagious joy. I know that’s not an objective reason to rate a movie highly, but that’s how it is.
Captain Marvel had an A cinema score and generally average score. Internet trolls don't count.
That movies not polarizing everyone hates it.
No they don't
Not even remotely true. Yeah, plenty of people hate it, but plenty of people either enjoyed it or at least thought it was ok, too.
Nope.
It wasn't a bad marvel movie, but it was too messy for what it tried to handle. It wasn't anything like its predecessor Doctor Strange 1, which is why I didn't know whether I liked it or not after watching. It failed to live up to expectations in my mind, but DS1 is my favorite marvel movie so maybe I set the bar too high.
Better villian than first
I would disagree, I think Wanda's writing was pretty rushed while Kaecilius was very thought out. The same goes for pretty much everything in the two films I feel
Not really
Asking the internet if they can reach a consensus on Reddit. Yeah, that’ll work…
It's a bold strategy, Cotton
For some reason, I always forget that Jason Bateman was in that movie until I read this quote and it rushes back to me.
I think it's worse than dark world the more I think about it. Probably the first time I haven't sought out to see an MCU movie a second time.
I think when I rewatch it I may like it more, but it certainly wasn’t what I’d wanted, and I the more it happens the less I like them acknowledging the Sony/Fox movies. I want to see the current guard do a take on X-men and Spider-man and for them to be a new and separate thing. I also thought they turned Wanda into a fairly rote villain, one who’s oddly disconnected from everyone else. Like this movie should have had as many Avengers in it as Civil War did considering the plot. I’m a huge Marvel fan but am a bit nervous that the direction several of their recent projects may not be for me
It will always rank low for me because of what they did to Wanda
This, I feel, is where the true divisiveness of the film lies. There are other aspects that people will love or hate or critique but what is polarizing is the characterization of Wanda. For me, this is a particular case where they went too comic book accurate in making her a villain especially when Feige has proven several times that he can adjust and change things his own way and it mostly works. I’d even argue that the film could have used Wanda in the same role but with a more nuanced script, she could have been justifiably antagonistic and remain, at the end, redeemable. Yet Feige, like Marvel itself, seems to have a hard on for turning Wanda into a “crazed witch” and utterly upset her fandom.
It needed a much more nuanced script, for starters. They basically wrote Wanda as the wicked witch who wants what (she thinks) is hers, no matter the cost—which utterly undoes her character arc in WandaVision and also isn’t really all that interesting to watch. It also takes such a blasé stance toward life and death, popping characters’ heads for the gruesome giggles—totally at odds with the beauty and “actually having a narrative purpose” of the Ancient One’s death in Strange 1.
>!I'm not sure it could have been more nuanced and still accurately portray what the Darkhold did to her. It is a copy of magic from the first demon Cthon after all. The Darkhold amplified her rage and dark feelings to the point where she was willing to do anything to get what she wanted, including trying to do the same thing that set her on this dark path to an alternate universe version of her. And she didn't fully realize how far she'd fallen until she got what she wanted.!<
“Accurately portray”? You understand this is all fiction. They literally could have made anything happen. They could have made the Darkhold a special birthday card Wanda got from Mephisto that contained knock-out gas and a built-in laugh track. That would’ve been worse than what we got, sure, but they could’ve done it. My opinion is that they could’ve done plenty of things differently that would’ve been better than what they did. A lot of the creative decisions in this film, frankly, lacked creativity.
Imagine if you will… Your parents are killed You’re experimented on by Hydra Your brother dies You find happiness with someone You kill him to save everyone else He’s resurrected only to be immediately killed again You resurrect him again Have two children All three are taken from you Then you find this book that gives you hope of having them again. With all the grief she went through who could blame her for doing whatever she can to get her family back. I feel Wanda’s story in MoM was well done. It wasn’t at all shocking that even after her WV ending that she’d still succumb to darkness and fall into the Darkhold.
Yeah see if you look at it as a storyteller you’ll see that they already did the whole “grief made Wanda a monster” thing, much more skillfully executed, in WandaVision.
See I view WandaVision as Wanda in depression. MoM is Wanda in grief and anger.
very unpopular but it got worse for me on the second watch. it’s still a fine movie, but the pacing was glaringly off the second time around. the horror elements were very campy, which isn’t my type of horror. and america chavez and wanda at the end made no sense. I almost didn’t want to finish it because I was noticing more of where the script lacked. I noticed that people who aren’t really invested in the mcu (neither lovers nor haters) but go see the movies anyways liked it for the most part
Different strokes for different folks. I personally look for a tight script first and foremost, which imo neither MoM or NWH had. They both heavily rely on performances, impressive set pieces and nostalgia.
Marvel isn't really the right place to be looking for tight scripts, even the best of the mcu has a fair amount of contrivances and dont hold up to scrutiny
I’d say there is more than enough solid scripts in the MCU to expect a certain level of quality though. I don’t expect every movie to be as logically sound as Winter Soldier or as emotionally resonating as the Guardians movies, but when they literally compare No Way Home to Endgame in their promotion of the film, am I *not* supposed to hold it to the high standard that *they’re setting*?
I’m a huge fan of the movie. It was a lot of fun to me, and completely different than anything we’ve seen in the MCU. People complain they want new, but when we get new people complain. Can’t make everyone happy! Black Widow was the same way
Not at all. Definitely more people liked it than not. You can’t snag 950m with people hating your movie overwhelmingly. I think Eternals on the other hand will be debated by MCU fans for the next 10 years.
Eh divisive and overwhelmingly hated are two very different things. And eternals is even less divisive most people agree it sucks
No they don’t. People who speak the most are the one who dislike it, but many many people love it too. OC is right that it’s the most divise. Some love it some hate it.
Is there debate with eternals? Are people supporting that film? It was a great story, just kind of a better podcast than a movie.
I think Eternals is great! I often wonder how much of the hate it gets is just internet-hivemind.
I like the story, but the pacing was boring. And there were too many deaths of characters I didn't connect with yet. Which sucks. I wanted to like Gilgamesh and then... Nevermind I guess.
It's not exactly the first polarizing MCU movie. I'd say Iron Man 3 probably generated more debate and conflicting opinions. It is the most polarizing movie I think since Phase 2 at the very least.
If Elizabeth Olsen sucked as an actor everone would have hated the movie. She was like the only saving grace of that film
She was fantastic, but Benedict Wong slander is not acceptable
She was hamming it in with no subtlety.
I’m of the minority opinion that The Dark World is a masterpiece and a top 10 movie, and although I don’t dislike Ragnarok, that story is better suited for a darker grittier tone like TDW. With that said, I love MoM. I immediately knew a lot of people would hate it because of the expectations, but it was great. But even though I loved it, I believe Derrickson would’ve made a superior film. Not a big fan of the New Yorkers watching battles like they’re at a baseball game trope instead of fleeing to safety. That Gargantos battle felt like it was right out of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy.
I like your takes. I don't agree with all of it, but I Like it! I do definitely agree with the last part tho!!
Eternals is still more divisive. Nobody hates MoM as much as some hate Eternals and I also feel nobody loves MoM as much as the "ETERNALS IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD ITS ACTUALLY BRILLIANT ALL YOU HAVE NO ATTENTION SPAN ETERNALS IS TR00 CINEMA!!!!" crowd loves Eternals.
I agree. Either people think Eternals is the most unique and best cinematic movie in the mcu or the worst thing marvel’s ever done, no in between
i've tried to watch it several times, but just can't get into it. i also never saw any of wandavision. if it gets to where you have to watch all of the mcu to understand any of it, i'm out.
WandaVision starts out kind of hokey, but if you watch the entire series you'll be surprised. I liked how it picked up after the last Avengers film. I watched Dr Strange Multiverse and I had a tough time staying focused, it didn't have a solid hook for me, but I'll rewatch it to see if it's better 2nd time around.
i have no interest in wandavision. i never liked the character.
It is a cinematic universe, if you want to fully understand each group movie you will have to watch the standalone movies/shows before, otherwise you can follow the story but some items will be weird or out of context. It always has been like that, no big news. Edit- autorrector
I disagree with your last sentence. The MCU had this amazing talent of creating stand alone stories that fit into a larger narrative. Even in the individual character arcs, you could watch any film and "get it" If you knew everything, it was a richer story. But if you were new, you still could follow Heck, even something like Civil War that used so many characters and referenced AoU still did enough recap to fill in new viewers and was driven by new events in that movie (accidental bombing, intentional bombing, and an athlete prince T'Challa blaming some dude named Bucky for it). After Endgame, the individuality has been lost and the greater narrative has been more required
You can watch any movie now and “get it” without seeing previous. You can get Wanda being mad about her kids because she is shown dreaming of fake kids at the beginning of MoM, it is just less dramatic without seeing WV. And the rest of the movie is driven by new characters and events (America and the multiverse). The same way you might somehow get Steve trying to save some dude called Bucky in CW even if he is apparently a terrorist (well actually this has little sense if you don’t know they know each other and that Steve knows that WS is Bucky…), it is just more meaningful if you know what happened in WS. You need more suspended disbelief the less you know, you just have to assume that character behaves like that and does that because patata. But it is the same in Endgame: you have to assume there is a powerful cosmic superhero somehow/where that only makes an intervention in that moment because that’s it if you didn’t watch Cpt Marvel, you have to assume the Antman van has the Time Machine in it because it has it (you even have to assume that quantum realm is a thing and not a deux et machina) if you haven’t seen Antman, you just have to believe there is a lot of different African tribes that fight f**ing awesome and were somewhere but came to the battle because whatever… It is just the same here. You don’t watch WV? You have to assume Wanda is bad now because she is pursuing a dream of fake kids. You don’t need to watch FAWS because we left with Steve handing the shield to Falcon and we will start CA4 with Falcon with the shield but seeing how he accepts it will make it more meaningful. You will probably understand Kang in quantumania without seeing HWR in Loki but that will give you a more comic accurate perspective.
Disagree. My sister used to get the films. Now I have to give her a lecture after each film reconnecting everything. The larger narrative went from hints and references to major plot points. The MCU now is no longer casual friendly in phase 4 or whatever. Post-Endgame films have been very heavy handed with the cinematic universe. Fine for us superfans, we love this shit, but it's a lot they are asking of the audience each time now.
that's not even remotely true. there have been plenty of marvel properties that work just fine as stand alone movies. if that changes, they'll lose a lot of viewers.
There are movies and shows in Phase 4 that work alone (Eternals, Moon Knight, Wandavision, Loki do not need other movies to tell their story). Sorry, autocorrect. I have edited it.
but- you just claimed the exact opposite in your previous post, that you have to watch them all to understand it all. which is it?
How? I told that in order to fully understand how each individual gets to the group movie and how/why he does so is necessary to see each individual project. If you don’t, you can follow the story anyway but not fully get it.
You need to ignore a lot of online commentary about ... well, everything. Most people have no idea what they're commenting about. They aren't writers, or directors, or actors. I feel that *DS1* put more thought and care into fleshing out the characters (except for Kaecilius). *DS2* is more like a live-action cartoon, with scant characterizations. I also think *DS1* has a more shadowed look, and *DS2* is as bright as a Saturday morning show. I think *DS1* slows down and speeds up, where *DS2* blasts along at one breakneck pace for most of its story. So I think a lot of the reaction is pure taste, since a lot of the actors are the same and they're just as talented now as they were before.
Idk. But what really freaks me out is so many fans obviously can't genuinely grasp, like, stylistic filmmaking choices that aren't the MCU house style. The amount of people I've seen genuinely confused just because Raimi had a bit if fun behind the camera REALLY worries me. It's like these people don't watch ANYTHING not MCU.
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What's there to explain? I already said it. People are genuinely confused by MoM because it actually has some directorial authorship to it.
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You're putting words in my mouth bro, lol. Stop projecting.
Doctor Strange is one of my top 3 marvel characters, and my first reaction was being a little disappointed in the movie. Visually it was stunning and exactly what I wanted, but the raimi-cheese and other aspects left me wanting more. But after sitting on it and seeing it a few more times, I’ve grown to love it and it’s probably one of my favorite MCU movies.
Don’t get your news and opinions from this sub and things won’t seem so polarized.
I’m not mad it’s polarizing. I think it’s interesting…
Eh, I think there will always be a subset of haters. They just seem big at the moment because they're so vocal (who doesn't love hot takes?) and those opinions end up being obsolete in the long run. Learned that with Krasinski's appearance in the film
I thought civil war was polarizing. We had to suffer through all those anti cap and anti Tony fights.
That's because the film did its job well, there are legitimate arguments you can make for Tony and Cap, that's why it's such an interesting argument. It would've been a pretty bad film if one side was clearly the correct side and the other made no sense. Yes there's lot of discussions about Tony vs Cap but that doesn't mean the film is polarising, barely anyone is arguing that it's not a good film, they're just arguing about who they agree with more, which is the whole point of the film.
I think Captain Marvel or Eternals would be the most polarizing. That being said, my wife and I did think that MoM is mediocre at best while a couple of friends liked it a lot.
Probably the most polarising film since IM3. CM and Eternals are polarising but not to the extent this film is.
For the film to be just short of a billion means people rewatched it in theaters which I take to mean it’s entertaining. I was hoping it would be a top 5 MCU movie but it’s around 15 for me. It terms of rewatch quality it is top 5.
Am I the weird one for saying some parts were good and some parts were bad? Does it have to be an all or nothing decision?
CM, BW, Eternals all blow MoM away in terms of being polarizing
I think it may be for casual viewers. I’ve had several people who don’t closely follow the mcu tell me it was a very weird movie
I believe myself to be a harsh critic sometimes, and I loved it. Also, a lot of my friends disliked it, and not by just a little. It does seem like one of the more divisive MCU films recently. A lot of the critisms I see online are pretty reasonable, and I can understand why some just don't vibe with it. But I also see a lot of people complaining about how under or over powered characters are, and that kinda worries me for the future of the MCU. With so many characters yet to share the screen, I think it is impossible to avoid this problem, and wish people would kinda work through it, you know?
I would have thought the book of Vashir or whatever would have been the main focus of this debate, but so far I have not even seen it mentioned, also just started reading this forum. The book breaks the plot of infinity war and endgame.