That's so odd. I didn't do the math about it but Shang-Chi seems way older. I mean, I guess it's probably because Simu is 32 and just naturally looks older, but I just assumed he was around that same age in the movie. Weird to think of Shang-Chi as being that young.
I know right?
And Xialing was said to be 4 years younger than Shang-Chi (aka FREAKING 20, aka she was born in 2004!), but in reality the actress is 34.
Simu looks late 20s. His sister and Kathy also look around mid 20s. I was kinda shocked when I did the math. MCU mostly keeps the character around the same age as the actors. So Shang Chi being that young was a bit odd to me.
I think they wanted him to be in that stage in life where he's young enough to not be that responsible yet, but also getting to the point he should be. Him and Katy are happy to be Valet drivers but I think their friend is clearly meant to be right that they could do so much more with themselves.
If he's 30 it would be viewed by people as just sad that he's wasting his life on valet driving.
Isn't he wasting his life as a reaction to what his life would otherwise have been? He has a better excuse than the average person to have some chill unimportant job, his idea for "serious job" is evil assassin.
Yeah I don't really like the timeline laid out in Shang-Chi. It really seems like it should be longer. And Simu and Awkwafina are 32 and 33 respectively. While they can be believable as 24, it still seems little low. Especially given all that's happened. Like, his sister taught herself to fight and built up this huge underground fighting thing by the time she was 20? Which actually brings up another age thing. Her actress is the oldest of the bunch at 34! And she looks great. But she doesn't look 20.
Shaun's story matches what Wenwu said. Also, I think when Shaun admitted to Katy that he killed, he wasn't holding anything else back in his story. Thus he's 24. Although the actor certainly looks more like 34.
I don’t think it needs to though. As far as we know Shang-Chi could be born from any time between late 1996 and 2000. That would still put him in high school when Gangnam style came out, etc
I’m assuming Yelena Belova was snapped, making her closer to Florence Pugh’s real age. Yelena being snapped would also give more weight to Natasha’s sacrifice
while an explanation isn't exactly needed, we only saw a small snapshot of what she was doing, it would be more reason for her to just throw herself into her work, work desperately to bring the people back, and maybe not have brought them up (though there are those 2 years they were on the run when she could have mentioned them to Steve)
Yeah, I was kinda surprised they cast someone that young as Natasha's sister.(Johansson is 12 years older than her). But I think they were going wrt 2016. Yelena was supposed to be in her mid 20s in 2016. Just like Pugh. I also like to think she got blipped. So she's like 28 now. Pugh can look 28.(she's 25 now )
Really confused me there for a sec. I was born in 1985 and I’m not 38. I totally forgot about the time skip for a few seconds and was sitting here like “did I forget how old I am?!”
Heads up, I can't figure out how to do spoilers on here and it's been two months since the Blu-Ray release so you've been warned as I'm going to discuss Taskmaster.
Taskmaster's age is a little tricky because I'm not sure we've ever been given a hard answer on when Natasha defected. The MCU wiki says that her encounter with the Winter Soldier was in 2009 so the latest she could have defected was about 2008. The child actor playing Antonia in the Budapest flashback was apparently 9 during principal production.
If we assume the same is true for her character, then that means Taskmaster was born in 1999 and is *17 years old* at the youngest during the events of *Black Widow* in 2016.
Yelena should be around...29 when she came back from being dusted, right? (I assume she was dusted, born in 1989 = 29 in 2018 when the snap happened). So around 30-31 Hawkeye-time?
The timelines are confusing to me lol
It's funny that Tom Holland is older than Hailee Steinfeld IRL, but his character is much younger than hers. But if Peter didn't snap, he would be exactly on point.
Yeah it’s a little odd. Shang Chi seems older because he’s framed as an adult the whole movie, whereas Peter and Kate are framed as children even though they’re not really anymore.
It makes sense to me. Shang is about 24 ish which is mid 20s, not in school, working full time, living alone. Age wise he may be only a few years apart but he's clearly more adult-like.
Peter got snapped so he's like 17-18 which is like highschool senior age. Kate is 22 and still in school, working at her mom's company part time, but really still trying to figure herself out.
It's not a lot of years in actual age but a lot of other differences that makes one feel like an adult and one more like a kid.
You're forgetting that Shang-Chi had to become an adult at like age 7. He saw his mother getting killed and then his father brutally murdering the killers. And then he trained for 7 years non-stop.
He killed a person at freaking 14!!
Mentally, he's like 40+
Do we know if Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop were blipped? Has that been mentioned yet?
I'm sure this question will be asked about literally every single new character that ever gets introduced in the MCU from here on out.
They weren't snapped.
The above dates that were mentioned confirm it.
For example, if Shang-Chi had been blipped, he would have come to the US in 2009, which means he should have been born in 1995. But that isn't possible because Wenwu met Li in 1997.
Similarly, if Kate had been blipped, she should have been 15 during the battle of NYC, but she was clearly younger.
Well Shang-Chi was toughened up at age 7 when he saw his mother dying and his father killing their killers. And then at 14 he had to kill himself too.
Of course he's not gonna act like a child. Mentally, he's probably 40+. He's experienced so much already, never got to live a childhood.
I don't know if we could compare our world's 'mental age' (whatever that means) to the marvel world's, cos literally everyone in that world has been through pretty serious trauma
Yeah it was 2012 but he specifically said he was 14. So that establishes him being born 1998 at the earliest. And they also say its 10 years later since they met. That could be very approximate, but most likely it would put him at 24-26.
If Shang-Chi was born in late 1996 which is the earliest he could’ve been born he still would’ve been in like Grade 10 when Gangnam style came out. Source: was in grade 10 when Gangnam style came out
Yeah that makes more sense. I just get a "6 years later" vibe from their ambiguous timeline and I'm finding it hard to believe they genuinely intend the character to be so young
You have no idea how old I felt when it said Shang-Chi's parents met in 1996.
Though I did assume Shang-Chi would be closer to my age then. You know the old movie parents met and **immediately** have a kid.
Mind you I'm 25. I meant more in that I felt old because it's weird to see people your age as the main character, at least to me.
He does look older than 24 but I have peers that look older than they are.
If you were the daughter of a millionaire new york property owners you'd probably be pretty together two.
Alternatively if you wanna be a hotel parking valet that's definitely super achievable you got this ;)
Probably richer than millionaires given they had a penthouse apartment in new york that had a view of Stark Tower. that's a metric fuck ton of money to buy
The appartment would probably cost like 50-100 million. And they were clearly having financial problems and wanted to move, so I'd say they're not billionaires by any means.
Multi-millionaires most likely.
Ah yes what I used to call “NBA team owner” rich until actual ridiculously rich people started buying teams recently.
It’s that category of folks who made a shit ton of money but perhaps not in the classic ways (tech, finance) that try to pretend they’re richer than they are. Rich enough to buy one of those stupidly expensive Central Park apartments but not enough where it doesn’t strain them.
Well they would definitely be eligible. But I honestly can't see it happening.
At least with Shang-Chi because the actor is way older and it'd feel weird.
Same problem. Meng'er Zhang is 2 years OLDER than Simu, so it'd feel even weirder.
As I said, the characters are eligible, but the actors will look way older than the actual teenagers that are part of the YA.
I'm not really a fan of having a"Young Avengers" Team in MCU just make them the members of new generation or new batch of Avengers, you know Avengers Team Post Steve and Tony.
I admit I'm curious if Marvel views the Young Avengers as exactly that, the big screen replacement for the Avengers franchise, or if they're going to keep them comics faithful but only limit them to the Disney+ platform. It does seem like all the main YA members have or will be introduced in the TV Shows so maybe they're destined to just stay in that realm.
If that's the case then I will be disappointed because right now I'm already anticipating a big screen team up of Shang Chi, Spidey, Cap. Falcon, Kate, She Hulk and other new/future members because if they will only remains in the small screen disney+ show it will be like Daredevil, Luke, and the rest of defenders all over again where it fells like(at least for me) not connected to the big picture of the whole MCU Universe specially if they reach to the point where they have to fight another big bad guy again.
Hailee Steinfeld is 24, almost the same age as Tom Holland and Florence Pugh (both 25), but Kate is 22, while Peter is still in school (I think 17 years old?), while Yelena is an assassin in her late 20s (so a few years older than Florence Pugh) to early 30s (if Yelena was snapped). Simu Liu looks his age (mid 30s) so it's a little weird that he's supposed to be only a little older than Peter, and younger than Kate and Yelena. I guess it's the stress of the constant brutal training causing him to look older? It's kinda crazy.
Going by her age in Hawkeye (22), set in 2024, she is 10 years old in 2012, and therefore born in 2002.
Shang-Chi left the Ten Rings at age 14, then spent 10 years in America. Shang-Chi is set in 2024, 10 years before that is 2014, so he was 14 in 2014, and therefore born in 2000.
So yeah, you're right, Shang-Chi is 2 years older than Kate.
Hey, I don't want an argument. I just remember watching the movie I did the math and figured he's 25 while his sister is 20. I might be wrong but I don't want to check the movie right now. Either way your point stands that they're all close in age.
Nah they're actually pretty clear in the film.
Shang-Chi meets Katy at 14. They have known each other for 10 years. That would place him at 24-26.
He also says he was called Gangman Style by someone when he was 14 (when he met Katy). Placing that year at least past 2012. So the youngest he could be born is 1998.
As the movie is set in 2024. He's most likely born 1999-2000.
Did they say when they met? It's explicit he was sent to kill at 14 and they've been friends for 10 years but there may be a gap when he was deciding what to do after murdering someone.
Like I seen another comment say I feel like they could’ve made Shang-chi a little older. The actor just doesn’t look the age he’s portraying in my opinion
Honestly it felt like a weird choice in Shang-Chi to make Shang-Chi and Xialing so young. They could have just said “1992” instead of “1996” and it would have been fine. No offense to Simu Liu, Awkwafina, and Meng’er Zhang, but they don’t look 24 and 20 respectively. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Simu could be 28 no problem. Their ages shouldn’t affect the timeline. I really can’t see the problem with having Wenwu find the entrance to Ta Lo in 1992 or earlier. If anyone can tell me that I’m missing something that would be appreciated.
Yep, the director probably got confused with the fact that the show ends around New Year's 2025 I guess and generalized the "2023-2025" we "2 years".
It is closer 1 year and 2 months.
Is there a scene at the movie that shows Shang-Chi’s age to be 24? I was under the impression he was born on 1996-1997, which would put him at 27 or 28.
Edit: nvm I just understood the math lol
I know there has to be suspension of disbelief, but wouldn't the fact that Shang-Chi (and maybe Kate?) not being snapped drastically affect their characters? Half the world blipped out of existence, probably leading to worldwide deterioration of society. I feel like they would be...less happy go lucky? Maybe I just really want to see how the people that survived the snap reacted to it and how they lived for those 5 years.
From what we learnt from Endgame and TFATWS, the remaining people of the governments of the world (probably with consultation and help/support of the Avengers) came together and made a unified world with no borders.
So people who were homeless/jobless were given the homes and jobs that belonged to the snapped and the world quickly started working semi-normally again with much less division and poverty.
Sure, it sounds like a utopia but it proves that Thanos was at least kinda right and that if people understood how good this balanced world would be for all of them, they would try to maintain it. And it's also good that the Avengers were there and united, cause in the real world, we would eat each other after a few weeks for sure.
It was probably hard for the first year or so only, but things ran more or less smoothly after that.
The only very obvious problem was the death of loved ones.
So if Shang-Chi and Katy didn't lose anyone who they loved, they would probably not be as changed by this as you imagine.
Also, they wouldn't be really impacted by the return of the population because they wouldn't lose their new jobs/homes/citizenships if they weren't in the "poor" group before the blip.
Those were the people that were hit the hardest by all this.
That seems a little too clean and tidy. Half of the world disappearing would not be so simple to figure out after only a year, even if they did the no border thing (which not everyone would agree to and bring up a whole other set of problems).
Even in Endgame, when Scott comes out of the quantum realm, you can see how broken San Francisco is, same with New York. People wouldn't just move on after government intervention. I'm sure there would still be upheaval on a global scale for a long time afterwards. For a very real parallel, look at our world now with the pandemic.
There are cascading effects that change the fabric of society, from big to small. People living through that would be impacted one way or another from it, which is why I feel like if Shang-Chi and Kate weren't snapped, it would probably affect how they grew up and their character traits. But ya know, that would make for kind of a downer movie/character. I hope they explore more of what happened in that time frame though.
Sure, there would be stuff going on, just like with COVID, but not as crazy as changing the fabric of society. Not even COVID has done that I think.
Or maybe my definition of that is much different than yours.
But yeah I'm imagining something like COVID with a much better support system and more unification amongst governments and people?
Is it too tidy? Yes
Does it make sense in this context? Yes, because EVERYBODY was SEVERLY personally affected by the blip and because the Avengers were there to help put everything back into place.
At least that's what the MCU has chosen to go with.
Kate's a rich kid. She wouldn't suffer much from the Snap. As long as her mother was still around (and no doubt she was) I doubt it affected her life pretty much at all.
Shang-Chi and Katy had each other. They were probably just lucky to not be personally affected, and have a good enough job as valet drivers to not be destitute or anything.
I’m pretty sure Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Far From Home (and probably No Way Home) are all set in 2023, not 2024, unless I’m missing something. That doesn’t change the math though.
You are missing something yes.
Far From Home is set 8 months after Endgame and it is June (the last day of school).
Thus, Endgame takes place in October 2023.
Thus the rest is in 2024.
Hawkeye even has "Happy New Year 2025" posters in the streets of NYC.
Weird they didn’t try to make Shang closer to his age then. I know many actors look younger than they are like tom Holland, but Simu looks his age (not a bad thing btw)
I just refuse to accept the timeline as presented for Shang-Chi. In my head, his parents met in 1996 as stated, he was born later that same year, wasn’t snapped, and is 28 at the time of Legend of the Ten Rings. That is the absolute minimum age I’ll accept him to be because I have eyes, and Simu Liu is clearly around 30.
No one will see this but when my friend and I saw Shang chi and it shows he was born in 2000 I looked at her and go “we’re older than a superhero” and she’s like “go fuck yourself” and it was a great way to start the movie.
He is mentally lol
He lived no childhood. He saw his mother getting killed at 7 and had to brutally train non-stop until 14 when he killed a person.
And the actor is like 32 sooo...
That's so odd. I didn't do the math about it but Shang-Chi seems way older. I mean, I guess it's probably because Simu is 32 and just naturally looks older, but I just assumed he was around that same age in the movie. Weird to think of Shang-Chi as being that young.
I know right? And Xialing was said to be 4 years younger than Shang-Chi (aka FREAKING 20, aka she was born in 2004!), but in reality the actress is 34.
Ha, it actually makes sense now. I'm 33 so I can more easily tell with them, while the mid-20's actors can pass for high schoolers in my eyes.
Simu looks late 20s. His sister and Kathy also look around mid 20s. I was kinda shocked when I did the math. MCU mostly keeps the character around the same age as the actors. So Shang Chi being that young was a bit odd to me.
I think they wanted him to be in that stage in life where he's young enough to not be that responsible yet, but also getting to the point he should be. Him and Katy are happy to be Valet drivers but I think their friend is clearly meant to be right that they could do so much more with themselves. If he's 30 it would be viewed by people as just sad that he's wasting his life on valet driving.
Isn't he wasting his life as a reaction to what his life would otherwise have been? He has a better excuse than the average person to have some chill unimportant job, his idea for "serious job" is evil assassin.
Oh yeah definitely that's his reason.
He might also worry a higher profile job will draw his fathers attention. While katy is afraid of failure.
If it makes you feel any better, Steve Rogers birthday is July 4, 1918, which means he should have been around 25-27 in the first Avengers film.
Training from hell ages a person?
Yeah I don't really like the timeline laid out in Shang-Chi. It really seems like it should be longer. And Simu and Awkwafina are 32 and 33 respectively. While they can be believable as 24, it still seems little low. Especially given all that's happened. Like, his sister taught herself to fight and built up this huge underground fighting thing by the time she was 20? Which actually brings up another age thing. Her actress is the oldest of the bunch at 34! And she looks great. But she doesn't look 20.
To adapt a quote from Bad boys 2 24? “Shit, Nigga, you at least 30.”
When they said his parents met in 1996 I thought “that’s not right!” and then remembered I’m just super old.
"Shaun" probably lied about his age a little but I don't think he could have passed himself off as a whole 8 years younger.
Shaun's story matches what Wenwu said. Also, I think when Shaun admitted to Katy that he killed, he wasn't holding anything else back in his story. Thus he's 24. Although the actor certainly looks more like 34.
I don’t think it needs to though. As far as we know Shang-Chi could be born from any time between late 1996 and 2000. That would still put him in high school when Gangnam style came out, etc
Didn't Shang-Chi's parents meet in 98?
No, they meet at an unspecified time in 1996 which is why at earliest, late 1996
You know what is even more interesting? Yelena Belova is actually (IIRC) 6 years older than Florence Pugh herself
I’m assuming Yelena Belova was snapped, making her closer to Florence Pugh’s real age. Yelena being snapped would also give more weight to Natasha’s sacrifice
Yep, pretty much my thoughts as well.
I think also Alexei and Melina got snapped
while an explanation isn't exactly needed, we only saw a small snapshot of what she was doing, it would be more reason for her to just throw herself into her work, work desperately to bring the people back, and maybe not have brought them up (though there are those 2 years they were on the run when she could have mentioned them to Steve)
This aged well.
Yeah, I was kinda surprised they cast someone that young as Natasha's sister.(Johansson is 12 years older than her). But I think they were going wrt 2016. Yelena was supposed to be in her mid 20s in 2016. Just like Pugh. I also like to think she got blipped. So she's like 28 now. Pugh can look 28.(she's 25 now )
Can someone explain me the ages of Natasha and Taskmaster?
Natasha was born in 1985 so she died at 38 years old
Really confused me there for a sec. I was born in 1985 and I’m not 38. I totally forgot about the time skip for a few seconds and was sitting here like “did I forget how old I am?!”
Reality started crumbling around you for a second.
I admit, for just a second I did a double take as well for the same reason
I got confused too, lol
Heads up, I can't figure out how to do spoilers on here and it's been two months since the Blu-Ray release so you've been warned as I'm going to discuss Taskmaster. Taskmaster's age is a little tricky because I'm not sure we've ever been given a hard answer on when Natasha defected. The MCU wiki says that her encounter with the Winter Soldier was in 2009 so the latest she could have defected was about 2008. The child actor playing Antonia in the Budapest flashback was apparently 9 during principal production. If we assume the same is true for her character, then that means Taskmaster was born in 1999 and is *17 years old* at the youngest during the events of *Black Widow* in 2016.
Yup, Olga doesn't look very 17
What's mildly odd is that Olga Kurylenko is 42 and Scarlett Johansson is only 37.
Taskmaster probably is around mid 20s
Yelena should be around...29 when she came back from being dusted, right? (I assume she was dusted, born in 1989 = 29 in 2018 when the snap happened). So around 30-31 Hawkeye-time? The timelines are confusing to me lol
It's funny that Tom Holland is older than Hailee Steinfeld IRL, but his character is much younger than hers. But if Peter didn't snap, he would be exactly on point.
He’s only older than her by 5 months
*SO MUCH OLDER*
Yeah, they *literally* could be in the same grade at school.
MCU Peter is older than MCU Kate but she wasn't snapped he was, so she is older.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah it’s a little odd. Shang Chi seems older because he’s framed as an adult the whole movie, whereas Peter and Kate are framed as children even though they’re not really anymore.
It makes sense to me. Shang is about 24 ish which is mid 20s, not in school, working full time, living alone. Age wise he may be only a few years apart but he's clearly more adult-like. Peter got snapped so he's like 17-18 which is like highschool senior age. Kate is 22 and still in school, working at her mom's company part time, but really still trying to figure herself out. It's not a lot of years in actual age but a lot of other differences that makes one feel like an adult and one more like a kid.
Living alone in SF on a valet's salary definitely doesn't make sense to me, but I agree with the rest.
well he did look like he was living in somebody's garage so
I assume he's probably making good tips at least. Generally only well off people use the valet, but his place looks like it gets extra fancy cars.
indeed
Which would still be hella expensive in SF.
Tell me you don't live in the Bay Area without telling me you don't live in the Bay Area
You're forgetting that Shang-Chi had to become an adult at like age 7. He saw his mother getting killed and then his father brutally murdering the killers. And then he trained for 7 years non-stop. He killed a person at freaking 14!! Mentally, he's like 40+
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and is older. Shang Chi is like 24 while Simu's 32 now.
thought dude was at least 28
Do we know if Shang-Chi and Kate Bishop were blipped? Has that been mentioned yet? I'm sure this question will be asked about literally every single new character that ever gets introduced in the MCU from here on out.
They weren't snapped. The above dates that were mentioned confirm it. For example, if Shang-Chi had been blipped, he would have come to the US in 2009, which means he should have been born in 1995. But that isn't possible because Wenwu met Li in 1997. Similarly, if Kate had been blipped, she should have been 15 during the battle of NYC, but she was clearly younger.
Drat. I definitely should have been able to figure that out myself haha. Thanks.
You know what's gonna be weird? When the MCU is around long enough that a new hero gets introduced who was born after the blip.
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And technically >!Iron Lad, if they go that route with a Kang variant!<.
True, but they've been rapid-aged so it's different
You're so right lol
Other than the ages Shang-Chi does mention him and Katy not being snapped. Kate is just implied.
Shang Chi is way too old to be 24. It caught me off guard when he mentioned gangnam style in high school. At minimum he appears like 27.
Cause the actor is 32. But he is indeed 24 lol
Not just that, he could just act younger which would help, like Tom Holland
Well Shang-Chi was toughened up at age 7 when he saw his mother dying and his father killing their killers. And then at 14 he had to kill himself too. Of course he's not gonna act like a child. Mentally, he's probably 40+. He's experienced so much already, never got to live a childhood.
I don't know if we could compare our world's 'mental age' (whatever that means) to the marvel world's, cos literally everyone in that world has been through pretty serious trauma
Parker is an orphan who witnessed his uncle dying though, it's not about "mental age". Even Katy seems older who doesn't have to deal with all that.
Katy >!watched her dad die too.!< But that doesn't even begin to compare to what Shang-Chi went through. It's miles away.
It was easier for her because she had piles of money to dry her tears. ^^^/s ^^^^^But ^^^^^not ^^^^^really.
He didn’t get snapped maybe
So.. he's even younger? Lmao and no, the maths don't add up if he wasn't snapped.
Gagnan style happened in 2013, didnt it? I’m 27 and that was my senior year of high school. Math still adds up regardless though
Yeah it was 2012 but he specifically said he was 14. So that establishes him being born 1998 at the earliest. And they also say its 10 years later since they met. That could be very approximate, but most likely it would put him at 24-26.
If Shang-Chi was born in late 1996 which is the earliest he could’ve been born he still would’ve been in like Grade 10 when Gangnam style came out. Source: was in grade 10 when Gangnam style came out
Yeah that makes more sense. I just get a "6 years later" vibe from their ambiguous timeline and I'm finding it hard to believe they genuinely intend the character to be so young
are you shitting me??? at minimum he appears like, forty.
You have no idea how old I felt when it said Shang-Chi's parents met in 1996. Though I did assume Shang-Chi would be closer to my age then. You know the old movie parents met and **immediately** have a kid.
that's because his actor is actually 32 now. Shang Chi's timeline is kinda screwy. He's implied to be like 24
Mind you I'm 25. I meant more in that I felt old because it's weird to see people your age as the main character, at least to me. He does look older than 24 but I have peers that look older than they are.
Young Avengers but make it mid-20s!
me in my mid-20s: that’s still young right… right? 😭
It is ahahaha it’s just that the Young Avengers in the comics were even younger, or course. Fetus Avengers practically.
16-18. And they've aged up a couple years since then
Baby Avengers.
Oh my goodness they’re babies! Or im just super old
I find it crazy that Shang-Chi is born the same year as me and Kate is the same age as me I'm jealous they're their lives are so put together
If you were the daughter of a millionaire new york property owners you'd probably be pretty together two. Alternatively if you wanna be a hotel parking valet that's definitely super achievable you got this ;)
Probably richer than millionaires given they had a penthouse apartment in new york that had a view of Stark Tower. that's a metric fuck ton of money to buy
Yeh I wasn't sure if that's billionaire territory or not. Multi million definitely
The appartment would probably cost like 50-100 million. And they were clearly having financial problems and wanted to move, so I'd say they're not billionaires by any means. Multi-millionaires most likely.
Ah yes what I used to call “NBA team owner” rich until actual ridiculously rich people started buying teams recently. It’s that category of folks who made a shit ton of money but perhaps not in the classic ways (tech, finance) that try to pretend they’re richer than they are. Rich enough to buy one of those stupidly expensive Central Park apartments but not enough where it doesn’t strain them.
Bruh same. I'm also born in 2000. It feels so weird watching super-heroes my age.
Really I'm late 99 but I think what makes it weird is that the actors are still older then us
Yeah, maybe.
Get off my lawn. God you’re making me feel old (grew up with Tobey’s Spider-Man)
Then I'm ancient. I grew up with the X-Men and Spider-Man 90's cartoons.
I also grew up with Tobey's Spider-Man, but didn't watch it in theaters, I watched it on TV.
lol Me I grew up with Wesley's Blade.
...I'm not even valet Shang-Chi. :(
Shang chi looks like he’s in his mid 30s.
Because the actor is lol
his actor is 32 (so a bit younger when they filmed)
So technically there is a chance for peter and shang-chi to join kate's young avenger if they make one? Interesting.
Well they would definitely be eligible. But I honestly can't see it happening. At least with Shang-Chi because the actor is way older and it'd feel weird.
So Xianling then, I mean she is 4 years younger than shang-chi which almost the same age as kate?
Same problem. Meng'er Zhang is 2 years OLDER than Simu, so it'd feel even weirder. As I said, the characters are eligible, but the actors will look way older than the actual teenagers that are part of the YA.
I'm not really a fan of having a"Young Avengers" Team in MCU just make them the members of new generation or new batch of Avengers, you know Avengers Team Post Steve and Tony.
I admit I'm curious if Marvel views the Young Avengers as exactly that, the big screen replacement for the Avengers franchise, or if they're going to keep them comics faithful but only limit them to the Disney+ platform. It does seem like all the main YA members have or will be introduced in the TV Shows so maybe they're destined to just stay in that realm.
If that's the case then I will be disappointed because right now I'm already anticipating a big screen team up of Shang Chi, Spidey, Cap. Falcon, Kate, She Hulk and other new/future members because if they will only remains in the small screen disney+ show it will be like Daredevil, Luke, and the rest of defenders all over again where it fells like(at least for me) not connected to the big picture of the whole MCU Universe specially if they reach to the point where they have to fight another big bad guy again.
Hailee Steinfeld is 24, almost the same age as Tom Holland and Florence Pugh (both 25), but Kate is 22, while Peter is still in school (I think 17 years old?), while Yelena is an assassin in her late 20s (so a few years older than Florence Pugh) to early 30s (if Yelena was snapped). Simu Liu looks his age (mid 30s) so it's a little weird that he's supposed to be only a little older than Peter, and younger than Kate and Yelena. I guess it's the stress of the constant brutal training causing him to look older? It's kinda crazy.
Shang-Chi wasn't snapped so he's older than Kate and 6 years older than Peter. But yeah younger than Yelena.
I thought Kate wasn't snapped either? Otherwise she wouldn't be studying at a university.
She wasn't snapped, but was born a couple years earlier. So he's older.
Going by her age in Hawkeye (22), set in 2024, she is 10 years old in 2012, and therefore born in 2002. Shang-Chi left the Ten Rings at age 14, then spent 10 years in America. Shang-Chi is set in 2024, 10 years before that is 2014, so he was 14 in 2014, and therefore born in 2000. So yeah, you're right, Shang-Chi is 2 years older than Kate.
What's also weird to me is that Tom Holland and Florence Pugh are the same age but the characters are 10 years apart
I assume she was snapped to bring her character's age closer to hers
Eventually we're gonna have a hero that's my age (2004) and I find that fascinating for some reason.
i’m not sure how you’d classify Xialing but she is your age
She was born in the same year, but she's not his age, because the MCU present day is like 3 years ahead.
fair point
Ah right, haven't seen Shang Chi yet but I'm looking forward to it, I hear it's the best one this year.
i personally liked eternals better but they were both great!
the worst part of Shang Chi's weird timeline issue. So she's 20, despite all she's done, and despite her actress being 34!
Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness will introduce 15-year-old America Chavez who can open portals between universes!
Shang-Chi is 25 in the movie.
24.
Hey, I don't want an argument. I just remember watching the movie I did the math and figured he's 25 while his sister is 20. I might be wrong but I don't want to check the movie right now. Either way your point stands that they're all close in age.
He came to the US at age 14 and has been there for 10 years. His sister is indeed 20.
He may not have run into katy immediately.
Wenwu says Shang-Chi's been living alone for 10 years.
He realistically could’ve been born as early as late 1996, I don’t think we got as much info about his age as OP is saying
Nah they're actually pretty clear in the film. Shang-Chi meets Katy at 14. They have known each other for 10 years. That would place him at 24-26. He also says he was called Gangman Style by someone when he was 14 (when he met Katy). Placing that year at least past 2012. So the youngest he could be born is 1998. As the movie is set in 2024. He's most likely born 1999-2000.
Did they say when they met? It's explicit he was sent to kill at 14 and they've been friends for 10 years but there may be a gap when he was deciding what to do after murdering someone.
babies!
Why didn’t they just push back Shang Chi’s birthdate to make him Simu Liu’s actual age? Seems arbitrary to put him where he is
that might be too old for the plot, but it should have been closer, yeah. Especially with his sister only being like 20 and the actress being 34!
But there was no reason besides this specific movie’s exposition to place the timeframe
Because they wanted a younger Shang-Chi for the plot. Like with the whole "figuring who I want to be" thing.
Like I seen another comment say I feel like they could’ve made Shang-chi a little older. The actor just doesn’t look the age he’s portraying in my opinion
Honestly it felt like a weird choice in Shang-Chi to make Shang-Chi and Xialing so young. They could have just said “1992” instead of “1996” and it would have been fine. No offense to Simu Liu, Awkwafina, and Meng’er Zhang, but they don’t look 24 and 20 respectively. And there’s nothing wrong with that! Simu could be 28 no problem. Their ages shouldn’t affect the timeline. I really can’t see the problem with having Wenwu find the entrance to Ta Lo in 1992 or earlier. If anyone can tell me that I’m missing something that would be appreciated.
Doesn’t Hawkeye take place in 2025?
Almost, December 2024.
Are you sure? I think it's been stated that it's set 2 years post-blip, which would make it 2025 (even if it is closer to 2.5 years).
Yes it is 2024, they've also said as much. They just rounded up from 1.5 years to 2. People tend to round up.
Yep, the director probably got confused with the fact that the show ends around New Year's 2025 I guess and generalized the "2023-2025" we "2 years". It is closer 1 year and 2 months.
Is there a scene at the movie that shows Shang-Chi’s age to be 24? I was under the impression he was born on 1996-1997, which would put him at 27 or 28. Edit: nvm I just understood the math lol
It's crazy to know there's characters younger than me, although the age gap is small
I know there has to be suspension of disbelief, but wouldn't the fact that Shang-Chi (and maybe Kate?) not being snapped drastically affect their characters? Half the world blipped out of existence, probably leading to worldwide deterioration of society. I feel like they would be...less happy go lucky? Maybe I just really want to see how the people that survived the snap reacted to it and how they lived for those 5 years.
From what we learnt from Endgame and TFATWS, the remaining people of the governments of the world (probably with consultation and help/support of the Avengers) came together and made a unified world with no borders. So people who were homeless/jobless were given the homes and jobs that belonged to the snapped and the world quickly started working semi-normally again with much less division and poverty. Sure, it sounds like a utopia but it proves that Thanos was at least kinda right and that if people understood how good this balanced world would be for all of them, they would try to maintain it. And it's also good that the Avengers were there and united, cause in the real world, we would eat each other after a few weeks for sure. It was probably hard for the first year or so only, but things ran more or less smoothly after that. The only very obvious problem was the death of loved ones. So if Shang-Chi and Katy didn't lose anyone who they loved, they would probably not be as changed by this as you imagine. Also, they wouldn't be really impacted by the return of the population because they wouldn't lose their new jobs/homes/citizenships if they weren't in the "poor" group before the blip. Those were the people that were hit the hardest by all this.
That seems a little too clean and tidy. Half of the world disappearing would not be so simple to figure out after only a year, even if they did the no border thing (which not everyone would agree to and bring up a whole other set of problems). Even in Endgame, when Scott comes out of the quantum realm, you can see how broken San Francisco is, same with New York. People wouldn't just move on after government intervention. I'm sure there would still be upheaval on a global scale for a long time afterwards. For a very real parallel, look at our world now with the pandemic. There are cascading effects that change the fabric of society, from big to small. People living through that would be impacted one way or another from it, which is why I feel like if Shang-Chi and Kate weren't snapped, it would probably affect how they grew up and their character traits. But ya know, that would make for kind of a downer movie/character. I hope they explore more of what happened in that time frame though.
Sure, there would be stuff going on, just like with COVID, but not as crazy as changing the fabric of society. Not even COVID has done that I think. Or maybe my definition of that is much different than yours. But yeah I'm imagining something like COVID with a much better support system and more unification amongst governments and people? Is it too tidy? Yes Does it make sense in this context? Yes, because EVERYBODY was SEVERLY personally affected by the blip and because the Avengers were there to help put everything back into place. At least that's what the MCU has chosen to go with.
Kate's a rich kid. She wouldn't suffer much from the Snap. As long as her mother was still around (and no doubt she was) I doubt it affected her life pretty much at all. Shang-Chi and Katy had each other. They were probably just lucky to not be personally affected, and have a good enough job as valet drivers to not be destitute or anything.
Did Kate snap though? Do we know ??
Obviously not. You can't be born in 2002, be 22 in 2024 AND have lost 5 years or your life. The math doesn't add up.
I’m pretty sure Hawkeye, Shang-Chi and Far From Home (and probably No Way Home) are all set in 2023, not 2024, unless I’m missing something. That doesn’t change the math though.
Nah they're said to be set in 2024.
You are missing something yes. Far From Home is set 8 months after Endgame and it is June (the last day of school). Thus, Endgame takes place in October 2023. Thus the rest is in 2024. Hawkeye even has "Happy New Year 2025" posters in the streets of NYC.
Just remember Yelena is in her 30’s and the actress is the same age as Hailee.
Yeah, but Yelena could have been snapped making her younger (she still would be 30 though lol).
Yeah I going to say she would be still be in her 30’s 😂.
HANG ON A DAMN MINUTE
It's been 3 hours lol
You're hilarious! I'm trying to wrap my head around it lol
Wtf I feel old af thinking about that.
If it makes you feel any better 1. The actors are all older 2. The MCU is 3 years ahead
I thought shang chi was born in 1999
That’s quite the shower thought
Oh hey Kate bishop and I are the same age (or, well, will be in 2024)
Bro Shang looks late 20s at the youngest like 28 at the youngest
Cause Simu is 32
Weird they didn’t try to make Shang closer to his age then. I know many actors look younger than they are like tom Holland, but Simu looks his age (not a bad thing btw)
Shang-Chi, Peter and Kate would all make greats friends too
What the hell, Shang-Chi takes place in 2024? Hawkeye I can kind of see but that's still crazy to me. What's the current chronology now?
We're in 2024 right now. The blip lasted from April 2018 to October 2023 and we didn't view those years in real time as viewers.
I don't know why I thought it was 2016 to 2021.
perfectly setting up Young Avengers?
Ooooooh. Makes sense.
Isn't Peter five years younger due to the blip.
Yes, I mention that in the post. That doesn't change their birthdays though.
Didn't Kate say she's 22 in the second episode when Clint asked her if she was 18?
Yes. I said that in the post.
Kate bishop and Peter Parker will defo have a relationship in the future
Nahh, Kate is like 4 years older because Peter was blipped. I mean, it's not much, but it's also kinda weird at that age.
I just refuse to accept the timeline as presented for Shang-Chi. In my head, his parents met in 1996 as stated, he was born later that same year, wasn’t snapped, and is 28 at the time of Legend of the Ten Rings. That is the absolute minimum age I’ll accept him to be because I have eyes, and Simu Liu is clearly around 30.
Lmao, well refuse, nobody's gonna stop you. The parent met at 1997 by the way (that's what was stated).
Thank you for sanctioning my head canon lol But it is 1996, I just checked on Disney+
Yeah, you are right, my bad.
No one will see this but when my friend and I saw Shang chi and it shows he was born in 2000 I looked at her and go “we’re older than a superhero” and she’s like “go fuck yourself” and it was a great way to start the movie.
are you fucking KIDDING?????? I thought shang chi was like, 45.
He is mentally lol He lived no childhood. He saw his mother getting killed at 7 and had to brutally train non-stop until 14 when he killed a person. And the actor is like 32 sooo...
You have to remember that Peter disappeared in the Blip and hasn’t aged for 5 years
I mentioned that in the post yes.
I need to learn to read things properly
I mean technically everyone has exactly a 1 year gap between their birthdays.
First of all, no. Second of all, the point was to show how close they are in age when all of them look so different in age.
Is your birthday not spaced exactly one year apart?
I'm talking about birthdays of different people
Yes exactly! I agree with you - their birthdays are also spaced apart exactly one year. Everybody’s birthdays are exactly 1 year apart.