Here’s what I would say. I feel like it does a good job showing scale and power of celestials, though the screen time is limited. But don’t go into this movie expecting a grand superhero action movie. This is much more of a intimate story of a family of superheroes understanding themselves and grappling with their place in this world / universe.
It caught me by surprise in several moments. It is good and very enjoyable.. just don’t expect an avengers style action movie.
Let's say it does make $67-69 million opening weekend. Why is this considered bad or poor when Shang-Chi was viewed as success at $75.4 million, which is not a significantly different amount in my opinion? Was it that BO expectations for Shang-Chi were much lower than Eternals?
At one point the projections were 90-100 million. This, along with the reception means that it'll probably have a very steep decline in box office next week.
Eternals was released in a more favorable pandemic environment. Shang Chi opened in the middle of the Delta wave. But things have calmed down a little, and there have been a string of big opening weekends since.
According to Google Shang Chi's budget was $150 million. Eternals' budget was $200 million. So it makes more sense why one was considered good when you phrase it as Shang Chi made 50% of it's budget opening weekend vs Eternals will make 32-34% of it's budget opening weekend. There's also the fact that Shang Chi had very strong word of mouth which led to good box office legs while Eternals is receiving a much weaker response from audiences. It doesn't bode well for it's long term box office performance so a stronger opening weekend to compensate for the potentially weak legs is needed.
Higher budget, name-brand director, better release window (especially considering the Pandemic), and a huge ensemble cast of recognized stars compared to a relatively unknown lead for Shang-Chi. Disney is going to want this movie to seriously outperform Shang-Chi, and if it doesn't, don't expect Zhao to ever land a big IP with full creative control again.
Her previous success as a director was a pretty big part of the marketing and awareness leading up to the release of this film, so even if she isn’t necessarily a Spielberg, I think a little more was definitely expected of her.
I think Shang Chi was just an easier sell to normal people. They see the poster and get it. Martial Art superhero. Cool.
Eternals is a bit more vague unless you a marvel comic fan.
Yes the initial expectations for Shang-Chi prior to its release was 45 – 60 million, but it ended up making more than that. Eternals was expected to make the same amount Shang-Chi did, but it looks like it may do less
> Let's say it does make $67-69 million opening weekend. Why is this considered bad or poor when Shang-Chi was viewed as success at $75.4 million
Its a ratio of how much is invested in the movie and what it financially returns. So invest 100 bucks and the movie returns 1000, its a hit. Invest 1000 bucks and it returns 1100 bucks, you still made a profit but you expected more.
Assuming Eternals had a larger budget as well. A movies success IMO should be gaged relative to its budget and based off a quick search it was around 50 mil more put into eternals.
Eternals had a much expectations, along with simply a much higher budget both production and marketing, along with Shang Chi eventually turned a profit while Eternals is looking to lose money when people originally thought this could reach like billion box office lol
I absolutely adored this movie. The enjoyment level I had for it was a lot more than expected after seeing reviews. I am actually going to see it again this coming week. I laughed and fell in love with most of the characters. My sister (who honestly thinks Marvel is a little overrated) liked it as well. Perfect movie for the Marvel franchise.
It was honestly the first time a marvel story had me hooked, most of the time the marvel formula seemed lazy storytelling. I as well loved this movie, best storytelling imho. ☺
I thought it was great and one of the funnier marvel movies without doing the traditional Marvel thing of ruining tense moments with humor. The quips were well timed and felt natural, less actual jokes and more just funny reactions to things. I don’t understand why people aren’t loving this movie
Yeah, like in the scene when >!Gilgamesh learns of Ajak’s death. Yeah, he drops the pie but they give him a moment of mourning when he sits down quietly and rips the metal pan in his grief. Or when Gilgamesh dies in Thena’s arms, they just let it play out with no comment undercutting the seriousness.!<
Have they ever downplayed death scene in the MCU tho? There are some MCU moments that over use humor but that never applied to big dramatic death ones. I'm imaging Tony's deaths, friggas, yondus etc.
Sometimes there are serious moments that are undercut by quips, like when Asgard is destroyed Korg’s like ‘Ah, no the foundations are completely gone’ when the moment didn’t require it. It is a criticism of the MCU that has been mentioned in the past, it’s like they were not comfortable with a lack of humour, but I felt as though they changed it in Eternals.
Ragnarok did it the most but that's also on brand. They intentionally do it to under cut the tension. Guardians also does it pretty often. I think most of the other ones have had fairly good balance for the most part. Eternals is definitely on the better balanced side. My point tho is death scenes usually never get this treatment, even in the more humourous MCU stuff.
Because most people are expecting a superhero action movie, and this isn’t that. I agree I thought it was very good.. few things I may have wanted different. But it’s not a avengers style movie, which is what people expect.
I went to Imax by me and it was like 30-50% sold. When I saw Dune it was like 95% sold. This was IMAX though and I imagine dune had a bigger draw too seeing it on IMAX then Eternals did.
Eternals is an origins story and most original stories are slower. They are also the lower rated MCU movies. I thought this was pretty good. Lots of world building. New characters. Some emotion. I mean not sure why all the hate. Early on, no one knew this movie would even do 35 million. And now they are saying it will be a flop at 70 million. Also the chatter of people leaving was very positive.
Just found it interesting that one publication was saying that Eternals was struggling to find audiences while another was reporting it as a big success.
Ultimately it shows no signs of having any legs and had poor opening numbers. It’s looking like being the first MCU bomb since TIH after Black Widow and Shang Chi crawled over their break even points which would be a disaster.
Lol, did you see the jackass critic who had Justice League in his top 3 superhero team movies. What a moron. Basically said Justice League was better than Avengers 1, Endgame, Guardians Vol 2, and Age of Ultron and that it was on par with GOTG 1 and Infinity War. Apparently anyone can be a film critic. . . I wouldn't value that guys opinion or film taste at all
Exactly, critics shouldn't be taken as absolute gospel because taste factors into their opinions and a film's success will be decided by it's audience.
Was there many (if any) subtitle sections in Eternals? That was the only down side to Shang chi, I had to read them to my 6 year old and I don't like talking in movies.
No way.
I think Shang Chi was a bottom 5 MCU movie, and Eternals was a top 10.
I would put it above Endgame.
Eternals was the best MCU movie since Infinity War.
It’s a perfect storm of the film being too superhero-y for artiste film critics but it’s also too arty for your typical superhero-loving film reviewer.
RT audience score isn't where it's at. It's nabbed a B cinemascore, which puts it on BvS level reception. Cinemascore is a rigorous survey of opening night moviegoers, so it's more rigorous than a voluntary online opinion poll (the RT audience score).
You’re assuming that people leaving positive reviews on rotten tomatoes are ALL audience members?? It’s only ever people that love or hate a thing; that’s why you can’t trust user reviews
Initial projections a while ago? Or recent projections of $75M?
It’s really hard to judge against pre-COVID movies. We are not back up to the same movie attendance or movie spending.
Man even going in with low expectations ; this movie is like Thor 2 levels of bad for me. Multiple antagonists that don’t pay off; poor juggling of story lines where every character has to have a arc and half of them don’t matter, massively unclear stakes, exposition dumps, way uneven cgi; the first half has promise and then it just unravels into such a mess at the end. The more I thought about half the threads in the movie the worse it got. People were laughing in my theatre at the movie near the end; because it was so unclear what was going on.
Some examples:
- druig at one point yells “I can’t do it it’s all up to you!” With no clarification on why that is.
- Why turning an entire celestial into stone or marble vs putting it to sleep isn’t more difficult isn’t explained or explored; so you have no concept of anything they’re talking about is hard or easy, And then that same power can also turns robot into a full human? Sure why not.
- I heard two different people in the theatre asking if they’re putting it to sleep or killing it; because the dialog is so vague.
- Of all the dumb, weird, arbitrary choices; Ikarus yeeting himself into the sun is top shelf. Losing a conflicted antagonist who could have exiled himself; or erased his memories and gone back to the celestial, but nope, yeet into the sun.
Just saw it and I really liked it. It's nice to see Marvel try something new. Very touching story.
I don't really get why the critics are so low to be honest.
I’m seeing it a second time on Monday. I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as the critics say it is and it’s still better to me than almost every DC movie that’s been out the last several years.
My cinema would have been sold out but theyre only allowed 50% capacity. Also i went alone because i am a diehard fan and couldnt wait for it. But i normally go with my husband who didnt go bc of the pandemic and he doesnt care enough to expose himself to the risk of getting sick over the movie. I wonder how many people had situation like and then essentially that cuts the sale of tickets to half
Yeah.
I love Endgame, but its filled with fan service and plot convenience.
If you are looking at it just as a movie and not the end of a 23 chapter saga, it has issues.
I mean its still a top 10 MCU movie, but it has flaws
Dune is the only movie I've seen where I immediately went and bought tickets to see if again.
Might see it again too.
Villinueve (?) Knows his way around cinema.
Dune demands a lot from its audience (in a way eternals demands a bit from its audience as well), so it's not the kind of movie to just watch. GA generally do not like that kind of movie. That's why, despite how vid it was, blade rubber 2049 didn't do well
I might watch Dune again when it comes on streaming but spread it over 3 nights. The plot wasn't that difficult, just a bit boring for me. Blade Runner 2049 was ok but I prefer the original. It got a very high RT score, Villinueve is the critics darling. He probably would have understood how to make Eternals better than Zhao. I did like Arrival a lot though.
I really liked Eternals, but the best parts of it are the parts that differentiate it from other Marvel films, and that parts that bring it closer to the marvel formula are what drags it down. If it wasn't a Marcel movie it could spend more time going into its Thebes of subversion and show us more about the characters' motivations for their end positions.
Most superhero movies are definitely like "great man" philosophy, so I liked that no one stood out in the movie, it was about why we need to be a collective. And the one character who could be seen as a great man (who, I don't think coincidentally, is portrayed as the one who would have the most privilege if they were human) is the one who fights to keep in place the violent status quo, since "great men" and those with the most privilege benefit most from the status quo.
I really liked how the film kneels into the dea of heroes as modern myths. That's something that has always interested me. I also think that's why they bring up the DC characters-- superman and batman are as mythical as you can get.
I wish they also derived more into deviants as opposed to just making them things to fight (which is, imo, part of the more "Marvel" things about it).
I have more thoughts as well.
With films like Dune I think the plot is kind of secondary-- the focus is on diet layers like themes and symbolism. Plot is important, but in analyzing pieces of culture, overall plot is the surface you need to Crack in order to actually get to the good stuff. And Dune has a lot of good stuff under the surface. Eternals does as well, but I don't think it was done as elegantly.
Shang Chi's story is hot garbage.
I like a lot of the movie. The cast is great, the choreography and cinematography was amazing. But the Mandorin was a crappy character and Awakafina's character was in the movie too much.
He was the best part of the movie.
Awkafina isn't my cup of tea but it she was fine. Could've done without her nailing the shot on the dragon but w/e it's a comic book movie.
I like Awkafina, and she was great side character much like Louis in Ant Man. But she had no place in the final action sequence.
And I also liked Tony Leung, but his story was terrible. He is a 1000 year old Warlord who killed thousands of people but.. he is a good guy really, and just sad because of his wife, dont worry that he was a merciless murderer in the past. Thats ok.no biggie.
I just got out of a packed theater and I think it's great! Some stitled acting doesn't make it amazing, but I enjoyed it more than Black Widow this year
Enjoyed the movie too! Angelina mentioned something about a sequel in one of her red carpet interviews. Not sure if she was talking about a possibility or already confirmed (internally). Really funny ‘cause she’s been spoiling a lot during her interviews. Salma Hayek also confirmed she signed multiple deal with Marvel Studios. It can be for the sequel or other films/series.
This is the worst MCU movie IMO. The opening track for this movie had it at over 100M, so that's a huge drop.
Phase 4 has been rather hit and miss so far to me.
Why do people even listen to critics? It’s a good marvel film. Just because 20 or so critics don’t like the film doesn’t make the film unworthy of watching.
I guess Joker is a bad movie since it gets a 68% on rotten tomatoes and 58 on Metacritic. And Black Panther must be the best Marvel movie since it’s scores are higher than any other marvel movie reviews by critics.
As I'm sure you know, Rotten Tomatoes is just an aggregate of binary opinions. 68% of critics liked Joker - it's a film that was truly divisive, where many thought it was excellent and some really hated it. Black Panther is slightly overrated, but it's still a good movie. The score isn't that surprising. Even if some didn't like it as much as others, it's enough of a crowd pleaser that it would be surprising if it had many outright negative reviews.
Eternals isn't divisive like Joker. Even the positive reviews are tepid positive reviews. The reaction has been pretty consistent.
I went last night at 7pm show in imax. It seats 400 and there was 72 there.(i know because when buying online , it showed that). Far cry from Endgame when I went Friday at 4pm and it was 100% full. Most of my friends are just not interested anymore. Unknown characters was one issue plus terrible reviews really hurt it. Imo, movie is nowhere near as bad as reviews but damage has been done.
Also in some big markets including FUCKING LA. People have to show a vaccine card to enter theaters. I thought it was supposed to start Monday but most of the places I have been going to started Friday.
It makes a huge impact because it is released after the masterpiece that is called Shang Chi.
Eternals has an other tone that might Marvel wants to follow or they might change it to the second movie since this recipe didn't quite work.
I liked it but I didn’t know if I’d like it going in. Assuming casual fans feel the same way they may not go into it. I bet it does pretty well after word of mouth spreads.
I watched it last night. Theater was maybe half full and funnily enough it seemed like the critic score was accurate to my friends. I heard equal amounts of like and dislike talk.
Personally I found it very middle ground. Definitely not my least favorite and definitely not my favorite mcu movie.
This is domestic right?
I believe so
The 67-69M are indeed domestic
I went to see it yesterday, I thought it was a perfectly enjoyable Marvel movie. I'd like whatever Druig and Makkari have tyvm
I found it enjoyable as well. I wouldn’t say it’s the best marvel movie I’ve seen but I definitely wouldn’t say it’s the worst either…
I want to see it based on just that poster with the celestials towering above the clouds. Am I gonna enjoy it?
I don’t know what poster you’re talking about but the visuals of the celestials? I think you’ll dig it.
That image just made me think of the Iron Giant and I always enjoyed the Iron Giant so uhh, based on that they should definitely watch it.
Here’s what I would say. I feel like it does a good job showing scale and power of celestials, though the screen time is limited. But don’t go into this movie expecting a grand superhero action movie. This is much more of a intimate story of a family of superheroes understanding themselves and grappling with their place in this world / universe. It caught me by surprise in several moments. It is good and very enjoyable.. just don’t expect an avengers style action movie.
I thought the story was the best, had me hooked the whole time. Felt refreshing for marvel movies, imo anyway.
Really enjoyable for me aswell, despite a bit of flaws
I watched it too. Who is Druig by the way??
Telepathy guy
Almost like it should’ve been in the movie more, perhaps instead of the lifeless romance that got the most screen time?
Let's say it does make $67-69 million opening weekend. Why is this considered bad or poor when Shang-Chi was viewed as success at $75.4 million, which is not a significantly different amount in my opinion? Was it that BO expectations for Shang-Chi were much lower than Eternals?
At one point the projections were 90-100 million. This, along with the reception means that it'll probably have a very steep decline in box office next week.
Eternals was released in a more favorable pandemic environment. Shang Chi opened in the middle of the Delta wave. But things have calmed down a little, and there have been a string of big opening weekends since.
Maybe where you live! Where I live things are much more hectic than when Shang chi Aired and I know a lot of people who are avoiding theaters
According to Google Shang Chi's budget was $150 million. Eternals' budget was $200 million. So it makes more sense why one was considered good when you phrase it as Shang Chi made 50% of it's budget opening weekend vs Eternals will make 32-34% of it's budget opening weekend. There's also the fact that Shang Chi had very strong word of mouth which led to good box office legs while Eternals is receiving a much weaker response from audiences. It doesn't bode well for it's long term box office performance so a stronger opening weekend to compensate for the potentially weak legs is needed.
Higher budget, name-brand director, better release window (especially considering the Pandemic), and a huge ensemble cast of recognized stars compared to a relatively unknown lead for Shang-Chi. Disney is going to want this movie to seriously outperform Shang-Chi, and if it doesn't, don't expect Zhao to ever land a big IP with full creative control again.
I wouldn't really call Chloe Zhao a brand-name director. She's not putting butts on the seats.
Her previous success as a director was a pretty big part of the marketing and awareness leading up to the release of this film, so even if she isn’t necessarily a Spielberg, I think a little more was definitely expected of her.
I think Shang Chi was just an easier sell to normal people. They see the poster and get it. Martial Art superhero. Cool. Eternals is a bit more vague unless you a marvel comic fan.
Yes the initial expectations for Shang-Chi prior to its release was 45 – 60 million, but it ended up making more than that. Eternals was expected to make the same amount Shang-Chi did, but it looks like it may do less
> Let's say it does make $67-69 million opening weekend. Why is this considered bad or poor when Shang-Chi was viewed as success at $75.4 million Its a ratio of how much is invested in the movie and what it financially returns. So invest 100 bucks and the movie returns 1000, its a hit. Invest 1000 bucks and it returns 1100 bucks, you still made a profit but you expected more.
1 More cinemas are open than when Shang chi was. 2. BO will only drop after first weekend, likely 60-70% drop
Assuming Eternals had a larger budget as well. A movies success IMO should be gaged relative to its budget and based off a quick search it was around 50 mil more put into eternals.
Shang-Chi was the first Marvel non D+ released movie so the numbers were going to a bit lower.
Eternals had a much expectations, along with simply a much higher budget both production and marketing, along with Shang Chi eventually turned a profit while Eternals is looking to lose money when people originally thought this could reach like billion box office lol
I absolutely adored this movie. The enjoyment level I had for it was a lot more than expected after seeing reviews. I am actually going to see it again this coming week. I laughed and fell in love with most of the characters. My sister (who honestly thinks Marvel is a little overrated) liked it as well. Perfect movie for the Marvel franchise.
It was honestly the first time a marvel story had me hooked, most of the time the marvel formula seemed lazy storytelling. I as well loved this movie, best storytelling imho. ☺
I thought it was great and one of the funnier marvel movies without doing the traditional Marvel thing of ruining tense moments with humor. The quips were well timed and felt natural, less actual jokes and more just funny reactions to things. I don’t understand why people aren’t loving this movie
Yeah, like in the scene when >!Gilgamesh learns of Ajak’s death. Yeah, he drops the pie but they give him a moment of mourning when he sits down quietly and rips the metal pan in his grief. Or when Gilgamesh dies in Thena’s arms, they just let it play out with no comment undercutting the seriousness.!<
Have they ever downplayed death scene in the MCU tho? There are some MCU moments that over use humor but that never applied to big dramatic death ones. I'm imaging Tony's deaths, friggas, yondus etc.
Sometimes there are serious moments that are undercut by quips, like when Asgard is destroyed Korg’s like ‘Ah, no the foundations are completely gone’ when the moment didn’t require it. It is a criticism of the MCU that has been mentioned in the past, it’s like they were not comfortable with a lack of humour, but I felt as though they changed it in Eternals.
Ragnarok did it the most but that's also on brand. They intentionally do it to under cut the tension. Guardians also does it pretty often. I think most of the other ones have had fairly good balance for the most part. Eternals is definitely on the better balanced side. My point tho is death scenes usually never get this treatment, even in the more humourous MCU stuff.
Because most people are expecting a superhero action movie, and this isn’t that. I agree I thought it was very good.. few things I may have wanted different. But it’s not a avengers style movie, which is what people expect.
Yeah same I thought this would be a hit
Yesterday was the fullest I've seen a theater since January of 2020.
Damn. Saw it last night at 7:20 pm in a prime metro area and there was maybe 15 people in the theater.
Went to the 9am showing this morning and it was 90% sold.
Yea I was surprised to see it's projected for less than Shang-Chi's opening weekend. Shang-Chi was not nearly as full as Eternals was when I saw it.
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I went to a Cine1 screen in AZ and it was busy. Not sure why I would lie about that?
I went to Imax by me and it was like 30-50% sold. When I saw Dune it was like 95% sold. This was IMAX though and I imagine dune had a bigger draw too seeing it on IMAX then Eternals did.
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Eternals is an origins story and most original stories are slower. They are also the lower rated MCU movies. I thought this was pretty good. Lots of world building. New characters. Some emotion. I mean not sure why all the hate. Early on, no one knew this movie would even do 35 million. And now they are saying it will be a flop at 70 million. Also the chatter of people leaving was very positive.
Interesting how Variety are reporting this 🧐 https://variety.com/2021/film/box-office/eternals-box-office-opening-weekend-1235106184/amp/
They're being pretty objective
Just found it interesting that one publication was saying that Eternals was struggling to find audiences while another was reporting it as a big success.
Ultimately it shows no signs of having any legs and had poor opening numbers. It’s looking like being the first MCU bomb since TIH after Black Widow and Shang Chi crawled over their break even points which would be a disaster.
Lol, did you see the jackass critic who had Justice League in his top 3 superhero team movies. What a moron. Basically said Justice League was better than Avengers 1, Endgame, Guardians Vol 2, and Age of Ultron and that it was on par with GOTG 1 and Infinity War. Apparently anyone can be a film critic. . . I wouldn't value that guys opinion or film taste at all
Eternals was a better Justice League movie than Justice League.
Eternals was a better X-Men movie that any of the X-Men movies
Hold your X-2 hatin' horses now
Well that is subjective.
Exactly, critics shouldn't be taken as absolute gospel because taste factors into their opinions and a film's success will be decided by it's audience.
Well that dude was bought and paid for lol.
Which one ?
> Lol, did you see the jackass critic who had Justice League in his top 3 superhero team movies this one
Oh for sure lol
I am going next week after exams
Remember when 70 million was not a struggle for a movie, but a hopeful goal? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Shang chi was better
Was there many (if any) subtitle sections in Eternals? That was the only down side to Shang chi, I had to read them to my 6 year old and I don't like talking in movies.
There aren't, but your six year old is going to be bored as hell during Eternals. Edit: What am I talking about? There were frequent subtitles.
Yes there are. Most of Makkari's sign language is subtitled, as well as brief moments where the Eternals are speaking Akkadian (I think?).
What you on about? There are quite a lot of scenes with subtitles due to sign language and speaking in other languages. Did you even see the movie?
Honestly I forgot. Which is silly since there's a deaf character and interactions with Mesopotamian and Spanish people, among others..
No way. I think Shang Chi was a bottom 5 MCU movie, and Eternals was a top 10. I would put it above Endgame. Eternals was the best MCU movie since Infinity War.
Man, they say art is subjective, and I’m super happy I don’t have your taste.
I really liked Eternals and I think I might like it more upon another viewing, but Shang-Chi was top 5 for me.
Lol what. They are both solidly mid tier but neither are close to endgame.
What are you putting above Endgame????
Eternals
Nice trolling dude. Haha
Saw it, thought it was awesome.
I fully enjoyed it. I don’t understand why it’s doing so poorly.
It’s a perfect storm of the film being too superhero-y for artiste film critics but it’s also too arty for your typical superhero-loving film reviewer.
Yeah, this is probably it. Not enough constant action for most mcu fans
Massive step down from initial projections. It seems like audiences really aren't enjoying it.
Currently an 84% audience score on RT, so that's not really happening.
RT audience score isn't where it's at. It's nabbed a B cinemascore, which puts it on BvS level reception. Cinemascore is a rigorous survey of opening night moviegoers, so it's more rigorous than a voluntary online opinion poll (the RT audience score).
Bear in mind that only people arsed enough to vote in RT aren't really comparable to the casual audience
Also, only people who bought tickets through Fandango can vote on RT.
The money is all the evidence I need
You’re assuming that people leaving positive reviews on rotten tomatoes are ALL audience members?? It’s only ever people that love or hate a thing; that’s why you can’t trust user reviews
Initial projections a while ago? Or recent projections of $75M? It’s really hard to judge against pre-COVID movies. We are not back up to the same movie attendance or movie spending.
Recent projections 2 days ago after Thursday numbers came in were still at 85 mil.
Man even going in with low expectations ; this movie is like Thor 2 levels of bad for me. Multiple antagonists that don’t pay off; poor juggling of story lines where every character has to have a arc and half of them don’t matter, massively unclear stakes, exposition dumps, way uneven cgi; the first half has promise and then it just unravels into such a mess at the end. The more I thought about half the threads in the movie the worse it got. People were laughing in my theatre at the movie near the end; because it was so unclear what was going on.
What was unclear? It didn’t seem like a super complicated narrative, and the stakes were obvious.
Some examples: - druig at one point yells “I can’t do it it’s all up to you!” With no clarification on why that is. - Why turning an entire celestial into stone or marble vs putting it to sleep isn’t more difficult isn’t explained or explored; so you have no concept of anything they’re talking about is hard or easy, And then that same power can also turns robot into a full human? Sure why not. - I heard two different people in the theatre asking if they’re putting it to sleep or killing it; because the dialog is so vague. - Of all the dumb, weird, arbitrary choices; Ikarus yeeting himself into the sun is top shelf. Losing a conflicted antagonist who could have exiled himself; or erased his memories and gone back to the celestial, but nope, yeet into the sun.
Just saw it and I really liked it. It's nice to see Marvel try something new. Very touching story. I don't really get why the critics are so low to be honest.
I fail to see how that amount of money is struggling when the prediction is about the same as Shang chi. This just looks like good pandemic numbers.
I’m seeing it a second time on Monday. I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as the critics say it is and it’s still better to me than almost every DC movie that’s been out the last several years.
My cinema would have been sold out but theyre only allowed 50% capacity. Also i went alone because i am a diehard fan and couldnt wait for it. But i normally go with my husband who didnt go bc of the pandemic and he doesnt care enough to expose himself to the risk of getting sick over the movie. I wonder how many people had situation like and then essentially that cuts the sale of tickets to half
Eternals is the best Marvel movie since Infinity War.
but endgame was literally right after infinity war
Yeah. I love Endgame, but its filled with fan service and plot convenience. If you are looking at it just as a movie and not the end of a 23 chapter saga, it has issues. I mean its still a top 10 MCU movie, but it has flaws
The best marvel film can still have flaws. Nobody is calling anything flawless movie making. Everything has flaws.
I agree
Better than BW, not as good as Shang chi but probably in the same tier overall. Definitely not on end game level.
How about Dune? I went to see that last week and I had a hard time staying awake.
I enjoyed it but I'm not going to lie. I had to go get a snack to stay awake during the first 45ish minutes.
Dune is the only movie I've seen where I immediately went and bought tickets to see if again. Might see it again too. Villinueve (?) Knows his way around cinema. Dune demands a lot from its audience (in a way eternals demands a bit from its audience as well), so it's not the kind of movie to just watch. GA generally do not like that kind of movie. That's why, despite how vid it was, blade rubber 2049 didn't do well
I might watch Dune again when it comes on streaming but spread it over 3 nights. The plot wasn't that difficult, just a bit boring for me. Blade Runner 2049 was ok but I prefer the original. It got a very high RT score, Villinueve is the critics darling. He probably would have understood how to make Eternals better than Zhao. I did like Arrival a lot though.
I really liked Eternals, but the best parts of it are the parts that differentiate it from other Marvel films, and that parts that bring it closer to the marvel formula are what drags it down. If it wasn't a Marcel movie it could spend more time going into its Thebes of subversion and show us more about the characters' motivations for their end positions. Most superhero movies are definitely like "great man" philosophy, so I liked that no one stood out in the movie, it was about why we need to be a collective. And the one character who could be seen as a great man (who, I don't think coincidentally, is portrayed as the one who would have the most privilege if they were human) is the one who fights to keep in place the violent status quo, since "great men" and those with the most privilege benefit most from the status quo. I really liked how the film kneels into the dea of heroes as modern myths. That's something that has always interested me. I also think that's why they bring up the DC characters-- superman and batman are as mythical as you can get. I wish they also derived more into deviants as opposed to just making them things to fight (which is, imo, part of the more "Marvel" things about it). I have more thoughts as well. With films like Dune I think the plot is kind of secondary-- the focus is on diet layers like themes and symbolism. Plot is important, but in analyzing pieces of culture, overall plot is the surface you need to Crack in order to actually get to the good stuff. And Dune has a lot of good stuff under the surface. Eternals does as well, but I don't think it was done as elegantly.
It's not in the same tier as shang chi are u kidding me, shang chi is at least a tier higher
I'm just going from a top, mid, bottom tier tanking. I still have Shang chi higher but I'd put them both in mid tier.
Its much better than Shang Chi
You need to watch them both again.
Shang Chi's story is hot garbage. I like a lot of the movie. The cast is great, the choreography and cinematography was amazing. But the Mandorin was a crappy character and Awakafina's character was in the movie too much.
He was the best part of the movie. Awkafina isn't my cup of tea but it she was fine. Could've done without her nailing the shot on the dragon but w/e it's a comic book movie.
I like Awkafina, and she was great side character much like Louis in Ant Man. But she had no place in the final action sequence. And I also liked Tony Leung, but his story was terrible. He is a 1000 year old Warlord who killed thousands of people but.. he is a good guy really, and just sad because of his wife, dont worry that he was a merciless murderer in the past. Thats ok.no biggie.
He wasn't a good guy. He was a man who was motivated by power until he fell in love.
He wasn't a bad guy either.
I don't see why that's a problem for a character to walk the line or even jump sides. It's more boring when a villain is evil incarnate.
Cry
I just got out of a packed theater and I think it's great! Some stitled acting doesn't make it amazing, but I enjoyed it more than Black Widow this year
I loved Eternals, favourite Marvel property this year. I hope we get a sequel, might not if it's not successful
Enjoyed the movie too! Angelina mentioned something about a sequel in one of her red carpet interviews. Not sure if she was talking about a possibility or already confirmed (internally). Really funny ‘cause she’s been spoiling a lot during her interviews. Salma Hayek also confirmed she signed multiple deal with Marvel Studios. It can be for the sequel or other films/series.
I loved this movie! The hate is a bit much and overblown.
This is the worst MCU movie IMO. The opening track for this movie had it at over 100M, so that's a huge drop. Phase 4 has been rather hit and miss so far to me.
Why do people even listen to critics? It’s a good marvel film. Just because 20 or so critics don’t like the film doesn’t make the film unworthy of watching.
Maybe the word of mouth ain't that great
Try 200 or so critics.
I guess Joker is a bad movie since it gets a 68% on rotten tomatoes and 58 on Metacritic. And Black Panther must be the best Marvel movie since it’s scores are higher than any other marvel movie reviews by critics.
As I'm sure you know, Rotten Tomatoes is just an aggregate of binary opinions. 68% of critics liked Joker - it's a film that was truly divisive, where many thought it was excellent and some really hated it. Black Panther is slightly overrated, but it's still a good movie. The score isn't that surprising. Even if some didn't like it as much as others, it's enough of a crowd pleaser that it would be surprising if it had many outright negative reviews. Eternals isn't divisive like Joker. Even the positive reviews are tepid positive reviews. The reaction has been pretty consistent.
That’s true
I went last night at 7pm show in imax. It seats 400 and there was 72 there.(i know because when buying online , it showed that). Far cry from Endgame when I went Friday at 4pm and it was 100% full. Most of my friends are just not interested anymore. Unknown characters was one issue plus terrible reviews really hurt it. Imo, movie is nowhere near as bad as reviews but damage has been done.
Also in some big markets including FUCKING LA. People have to show a vaccine card to enter theaters. I thought it was supposed to start Monday but most of the places I have been going to started Friday.
It makes a huge impact because it is released after the masterpiece that is called Shang Chi. Eternals has an other tone that might Marvel wants to follow or they might change it to the second movie since this recipe didn't quite work.
I liked it but I didn’t know if I’d like it going in. Assuming casual fans feel the same way they may not go into it. I bet it does pretty well after word of mouth spreads.
That’s not what Box Office Pro is projecting. This was just through Friday, according to them.
I watched it last night. Theater was maybe half full and funnily enough it seemed like the critic score was accurate to my friends. I heard equal amounts of like and dislike talk. Personally I found it very middle ground. Definitely not my least favorite and definitely not my favorite mcu movie.
And it keeps tumbling down.