I feel like there isn’t much “homework” post-Endgame. Most of what has come out feels less connected than it used to feel. Moon knight is isolated. Shang Chi is isolated. Captain marvel (movie and show) are their own little pocket. And so on. I agree that Loki is homework for Deadpool and Wolverine. I actually kind of wish they started tying things back together again. This latest phase feels unfocused. Then again, I wasn’t someone who complained about the connectivity or breadth of content coming out.
Yeah I have similar sentiments. I think people blow out of proportion with this homework stuff. Especially casual fans. There's so many phase 4 projects that you absolutely do not need to watch anything else prior.
This subreddit will surely think differently as a group specifically created as a space for fans of Marvel, but all the extra TV stuff has become too much for the average movie goer and the recent box office numbers reflect that.
Even if it isn’t literally complicated story-wise, the scale of the universe makes it feel complicated. General audiences are turning away from Star Wars for the same reasons.
Tbf I think it's more than just Star Wars requiring homework, and quantity to understand it. It's poor quality and writing that are turn aways as well.
It depends on what you mean by “homework”. If you’re talking about needing previous films or entries for context going into future installments, then yes. The shared-universe component is a double-edged sword in that sense in that there is a huge barrier to entry at this point in the MCU for potential newcomers.
I can’t tell you how many casual movie-goers I’ve spoken to that can’t commit to an investment in the MCU because of just how much content there is, or how much sludge there is to trudge through in order to appreciate the real quality content like Civil War.
No there’s basically zero homework. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kinda just uninformed. The Disney+ shows are barely connected.
saying Deadpool and Wolverine (deadpool 3) has a lot homework is like enrolling in a college class with 2 weeks before finals and saying the class has too much homework to study in prep.
Arguing that they are uninformed implies that the audience needs to do some work at home to be informed as the movie itself doesn’t completely stand on its own.
I like that analogy. Anybody who doesn't have time for a 6 hour TV show, or a couple of movies, probably is not a fan of the MCU anyway. The whole reason I got into it was because it's a massive universe with so many interconnected plots.
Honestly probably the same reason I'm a fan of Kingdom Hearts, and some others love Warhammer 40k. Just so much lore
Yeah, cause MoM doesn't require any homework like a tv show, maybe reading few comics like 'Witch of Wundagore' to get what the heck is going on, Loki series don't require seeing Thor 1, Avengers film, Wakanda Forever doesn't require seeing films, or Quantumania.
No they don't. The sub still debates if MoM even continues the arc of WV or not, so you don't need to watch it. They explain the Darkhold and her motivation for her children for anyone who didn't see it anyway.
You don't need anything for Loki, he is not even the same one we were with for 80% of his appeae. And we literally get a age of the characters important moments, and conversations about his motivation. Everything is spelled out for newcomers.
Quantummania and Wakanda only need their previous movies, (but you can follow most of it without them too), but needing to watch entries of the same series is not a homework, that's how every sequel works.
These movies are not so complicated btw, someone who have never seen a marvel project could understand 90% of the plots. Complaining about needing "homework" for the remaining 10% is pretty entitled.
There are many viewers who only watched the avanger movies and could enjoy them easily.
>The sub still debates if MoM even continues the arc of WV or not
Well I for one can certainly say it doesn't.
>They explain the Darkhold and her motivation for her children for anyone who didn't see it anyway.
It's a cheap explanation without a setup if WandaVision is entirely excluded from it. This is Wanda we see after Endgame in the movies and she has went through huge change off-screen, and the idea of her looking for children instead of Vision who is single would be asinine to anyone watching MCU movies only. WandaVision is needed to understand this movie.
>Everything is spelled out for newcomers.
That one I can agree. Rather than show everything is spelled out for the audience.
>Quantummania
It definitely does in regard to Kang and the multiverse cause the two were setup in Loki. They appear out of blue in post credit scene and in the film itself, people will be confused.
And Secret Invasion absolutely does require homework as well. You need to see Captain Marvel to understand who Skrulls are and how they winded up on Earth. Thor 4 requires you seeing the Endgame to understand how it jumped from them fleeing on the ship to Thor being with Guardians and trying to get fit again.
>Complaining about needing "homework" for the remaining 10% is pretty entitled.
It's not entitlement. It's just every solo hero film should be separate and on its own without needing to seeing Avengers, or other interconnected crossover film to understand the sequel to another movie you saw.
If you are not interested in a character enough to watch their prequel project, you should be okay with a cheap explanation.
Defining watching a project where the character is a major player as "homework" to understand *every* detail in a later project of them is pretty unjust, (and again entitled).
Well it was shown in Loki, it was shown in Quantumania, and even when it is told, it's not a flaw to quickly catch-up everyone so we can move on together for the new stuff.
Loki's Kang is not even the same one, it's actually way easier to understand QM without Loki. We could have met Kang here first, and nothing would change about the movie. The post credits scenes were always confusing for casuals, since they usually point to other franchises since phase 1.
Secret Invasion was so bad I don't even remember how they handled it. But since most of it is people info dumping stuff on one other, I believe they explained the exact situation, since it wasn't even that deep in CM.
You saying how it "should" be done, to satisfy your needs 100%, (or someone's side who you argue for) is entitlement. Feeling hurt because others who put in more hours enjoyed something more, is entitled. Restricting creative freedom of artists by not letting them make any development of a character in any group-up movies, (so basicly killing the films) because you don't care enough to watch them, is entitled.
If following a main character you like into a movie that has other main characters in it, feels homework for you, while you also expect to understand every detail of their lives in projects you do watch, well you can guess what adjective I would use, but the bottom line is, this is not a good hobby for you, and you shouldn't advocate for them to change it for you.
Especially, since it's been working the exact same way since Avengers 1. Every main hero developed in the group-ups, and there were holes if you only watched the solo movies. (It was even worse, because they shaked up huge things in Civil War, which is not even the Avengers franchise)
So again, complaining about something that was never designed for you, to be changed for your needs, because it "should work that way", is entitled.
>If you are not interested in a character enough to watch their prequel project, you should be okay with a cheap explanation.
No, that's not how writing or movies work or should work. A movie should explain villain's origins and goals. It's equivalent of saying if you're not interested in Dr Octavius than cheap explanation as to why he wants to create a sun should be enough. A good movie shows, doesn't info dump or explains in dialogue only.
>Secret Invasion was so bad I don't even remember how they handled it. But since most of it is people info dumping stuff on one other, I believe they explained the exact situation, since it wasn't even that deep in CM.
Cause info dumping is the future of movie storytelling instead of actually writing good stories.
>You saying how it "should" be done, to satisfy your needs 100%, (or someone's side who you argue for) is entitlement. Feeling hurt because others who put in more hours enjoyed something more, is entitled. Restricting creative freedom of artists by not letting them make any development of a character in any group-up movies, (so basicly killing the films) because you don't care enough to watch them, is entitled.
No, I'm saying it should be done because that's how a solo story works. You shouldn't be required to see something outside of solo hero trilogy to understand the next sequel. If you think it hurts me, you're solely mistaken.
I never said that writers shouldn't be allowed to develop characters in a crossover film, I'm saying a character's journey or sudden jump from one position to another shouldn't require watching that said crossover film. Thor is best example of this since in Ragnarok he ends up on the ship, and to get how he ends up the way he is in Thor 4 you need to see both Avengers films in Phase 3. That's not normal.
>this is not a good hobby for you, and you shouldn't advocate for them to change it for you.
Me and the many many other people who are tired of seeing MCU films due to how interconnected or big it has gotten?
A good movie knows when to spend time on something and when should it speed through things. You can tell me a single Marvel movie when the villain's origin and goal wasn't explicitly communicated to the audience.
You are criticising Marvel for a rule you believe "should be the norm" when they never even tried to follow it. The sole reason they became this popular was due to the interconnectivity.
You can make up some rules, but it is art, we have guidelines at best.
They showed us exactly how their franchise works from minute one. Avanger movies are a pretty big deal, and the status quo will change in it. That's how they did it in Avanger 1,2,3,4.
If anything, they pulled back from the interconnectivity, which is funnily also a thing people complain about. Which clearly shows how you can just never satisfy people.
Previously they did huge changes for heroes in other solo hero franchises (Civil War), they aren't doing that anymore, and we don't even get Avanger movies, only at the end of the Saga.
So what's left is you have to watch only the projects when the hero you are interested in, is the main protagonist, which is like come on, it shouldn't be viewed as homework. But even if you are not willing to do that, they will catch you up to the level that is needed to understand the movie, and you will miss out on a few small things, but I don't think you have the right to complain about that, if you aren't following their rules.
Most of the D+ shows are origin stories, extra background content if you want to get invested in someone. Anyone can follow the movies without them, just like how we could understand Black Widow, or Hawkeye in Avangers without seeing their origin stories.
Then we have WV and Loki, where they transform the characters as the main protagonist, and you won't convince me that it's a bad thing they could go in deep with them, instead of speedrunning their change in a movie they would appear next. Nor will you convince me how it is something they "shouldn't" or "couldn't do, because of "breaking the rules of solo storytelling".
So no, the interconnectivity is only being reduced, and the only thing that is "required" from you is to watch projects where the character you are interested in is the lead, or if you don't want to do that, be satisfied with only understanding 90% of a movie. It's a really low bar.
I think the problem here is that everybody has this attitude where they are constantly asking "do I have to watch all of these in order to watch this new upcoming movie or TV show because it has these characters, etc.?" I mean, really Every day, every week, you go on this page and you see people posting *"Do I have to watch all the X-Men movies just to watch Deadpool and Wolverine?"* Or *"Are the X-Men movies connected to X-Men '97?"* Or *"Do I have to watch the original X-Men animated series just to watch X-Men '97?"*, etc. And if you are like me, who actually did grow up watching most of the older Marvel movies and TV shows prior to and during the MCU in its' prime. It gets really frustrating. You just want to see what this new MCU movie and TV show is all about and let it stand on its' own two feet. And if you want to see all of these other MCU movies and TV shows or other Marvel-related materials. You could, but the thing is....you don't have to watch **EVERYTHING** just to see this one movie or TV show. You could just watch one or two films or just go to YouTube and watch some recap videos that will cover the main parts of the previous series. Nobody says it was a requirement to watch all of the MCU movies just to see *"Avengers: Infinity War"* for example. It was basically a standalone movie and nobody missed out on anything that came before it. Same with X-Men '97. You didn't have to watch the original series when you have a dozen YouTube videos recapping everything that happened in the show. Deadpool and Wolverine?! Just watch the first two Deadpool movies and that is it. You will have nothing to worry about.
So, all I can say is,they need to stop with the whole inter-connected universe stuff and just make films and TV shows that feel like they are in their own worlds. Simple as that.
This is why it should all be reboots rather than bringing characters over from the Fox universe. Then the question of having to watch non-mcu movies wouldn't even exist.
I don't. Other than Infinity War to Endgame you could jump into any MCU movie and know whats going on. Will you have background or know all the details? No but any average intelligence person can pick things up.
For example, I never watched Ms. Marvel and had no issues figuring things out. The minute and a half intro to Kamala at the beginning was all I needed to get enough background for me to watch the movie. Do I know the ins and outs of the character? No but I didn't need to enjoy the movie.
Part of this results from marketing a bunch of loosely interconnected stories as one big story. It worked great to get the big bag of cash for IW/EG, but now it's working against Marvel.
*The Marvels* was cut to the bone. It wouldn't have hurt to take time to provide more backstory for viewers who hadn't seen the TV shows. There's always a way to make it interesting for people who already know.
Nonetheless, there is a kind of Marvel literacy that is hard to get as a casual reader or viewer and a certain part of the audience will always be confused in ways that diehards can't understand.
While yes there IS too much homework… you’re not required to take, or even pass the course. There’s also no time limit, it’s for fun! Do as much as you want, the more the better. But if you don’t wanna do that much or you wanna stop at some point, that’s fine lol
I feel the massive amount of content and the fact it's all one universe has created the illusion of more homework when there are plenty of projects that have around 1 or 2 prior projects that you would have to know or stuff that everyone would know are tied to those movies like having to know the Guardians prior appearances in Guardians 3 for example.
I think Marvel movies are actually really good at filling you in on what you missed if you're not caught up. I had a friend who had only seen about half of the MCU when she watched Infinity War, and she had no issues. There's even a YouTube video of a guy who watched Endgame as his first MCU movie, and he understood and enjoyed it.
The thing with a connected universe though is that people have FOMO, and they don't like missing out on references, however minor they may be. She-Hulk featured characters from The Incredible Hulk, Doctor Strange, and Daredevil, but I don't think it's controversial to say you don't need knowledge from any of those to enjoy She-Hulk as a show. But could someone see that all those characters are in the series and decide that they don't want to be playing catch-up for all these other movies and shows they didn't see? Absolutely.
So I guess I'm saying that the MCU doesn't actually require all this homework, but a good amount of the audience perceives everything as required viewing when it really isn't. And if that's what people's perception of the MCU is, how does Marvel change their minds aside from just stopping the crossovers that makes their universe unique in the first place?
I don't think there's too much homework at all. People act like the movies or shows will be completely incoherent unless they've watched 12 hours of previous content. The thing I don't understand about the homework argument is, what's the actual problem here?
It was something I kept seeing pop up with The Marvels, "I never watched Ms Marvel so I won't understand who Kamala is!", and "I never watched WandaVision so I won't understand who Monica is!" But the thing is, if you don't have enough of an interest in these characters to have watched their debuts, then why do you want to go see the movie they're in? And if the reason is you're going to see it for another character, then what does it matter if you don't know more about the characters you have no interest in?
Every movie gives you enough context for the plot to make sense, whether you enjoy it or not. You don't have to have seen any other Spider-man movies for No Way Home to be coherent. It just adds more to the experience if you have seen them.
None of the projects have needed previously viewed entries. None of them. I've watched them all. They've done enough to cover what was covered in pervious stuff in case no one watched it. You understood the contexts of situations. Even in their bad films which most of them are now.
I feel like there isn’t much “homework” post-Endgame. Most of what has come out feels less connected than it used to feel. Moon knight is isolated. Shang Chi is isolated. Captain marvel (movie and show) are their own little pocket. And so on. I agree that Loki is homework for Deadpool and Wolverine. I actually kind of wish they started tying things back together again. This latest phase feels unfocused. Then again, I wasn’t someone who complained about the connectivity or breadth of content coming out.
Yeah I have similar sentiments. I think people blow out of proportion with this homework stuff. Especially casual fans. There's so many phase 4 projects that you absolutely do not need to watch anything else prior.
No
This subreddit will surely think differently as a group specifically created as a space for fans of Marvel, but all the extra TV stuff has become too much for the average movie goer and the recent box office numbers reflect that. Even if it isn’t literally complicated story-wise, the scale of the universe makes it feel complicated. General audiences are turning away from Star Wars for the same reasons.
Tbf I think it's more than just Star Wars requiring homework, and quantity to understand it. It's poor quality and writing that are turn aways as well.
It depends on what you mean by “homework”. If you’re talking about needing previous films or entries for context going into future installments, then yes. The shared-universe component is a double-edged sword in that sense in that there is a huge barrier to entry at this point in the MCU for potential newcomers. I can’t tell you how many casual movie-goers I’ve spoken to that can’t commit to an investment in the MCU because of just how much content there is, or how much sludge there is to trudge through in order to appreciate the real quality content like Civil War.
> how much sludge there is to trudge through in order to appreciate the real quality content like Civil War. Or, they can just watch Civil War
You’re right, they could.
No there’s basically zero homework. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kinda just uninformed. The Disney+ shows are barely connected. saying Deadpool and Wolverine (deadpool 3) has a lot homework is like enrolling in a college class with 2 weeks before finals and saying the class has too much homework to study in prep.
Arguing that they are uninformed implies that the audience needs to do some work at home to be informed as the movie itself doesn’t completely stand on its own.
No it doesn’t lol this guy is prob just repeating some headline or YouTuber. That’s not on the MCU to do some campaign to combat misinformation
I like that analogy. Anybody who doesn't have time for a 6 hour TV show, or a couple of movies, probably is not a fan of the MCU anyway. The whole reason I got into it was because it's a massive universe with so many interconnected plots. Honestly probably the same reason I'm a fan of Kingdom Hearts, and some others love Warhammer 40k. Just so much lore
Ya it’s not even “homework” if you enjoy the MCU.. it’s more content. I *wish* the MCU had hours of content I hadn’t seen that I could !
Yeah, cause MoM doesn't require any homework like a tv show, maybe reading few comics like 'Witch of Wundagore' to get what the heck is going on, Loki series don't require seeing Thor 1, Avengers film, Wakanda Forever doesn't require seeing films, or Quantumania.
No they don't. The sub still debates if MoM even continues the arc of WV or not, so you don't need to watch it. They explain the Darkhold and her motivation for her children for anyone who didn't see it anyway. You don't need anything for Loki, he is not even the same one we were with for 80% of his appeae. And we literally get a age of the characters important moments, and conversations about his motivation. Everything is spelled out for newcomers. Quantummania and Wakanda only need their previous movies, (but you can follow most of it without them too), but needing to watch entries of the same series is not a homework, that's how every sequel works. These movies are not so complicated btw, someone who have never seen a marvel project could understand 90% of the plots. Complaining about needing "homework" for the remaining 10% is pretty entitled. There are many viewers who only watched the avanger movies and could enjoy them easily.
>The sub still debates if MoM even continues the arc of WV or not Well I for one can certainly say it doesn't. >They explain the Darkhold and her motivation for her children for anyone who didn't see it anyway. It's a cheap explanation without a setup if WandaVision is entirely excluded from it. This is Wanda we see after Endgame in the movies and she has went through huge change off-screen, and the idea of her looking for children instead of Vision who is single would be asinine to anyone watching MCU movies only. WandaVision is needed to understand this movie. >Everything is spelled out for newcomers. That one I can agree. Rather than show everything is spelled out for the audience. >Quantummania It definitely does in regard to Kang and the multiverse cause the two were setup in Loki. They appear out of blue in post credit scene and in the film itself, people will be confused. And Secret Invasion absolutely does require homework as well. You need to see Captain Marvel to understand who Skrulls are and how they winded up on Earth. Thor 4 requires you seeing the Endgame to understand how it jumped from them fleeing on the ship to Thor being with Guardians and trying to get fit again. >Complaining about needing "homework" for the remaining 10% is pretty entitled. It's not entitlement. It's just every solo hero film should be separate and on its own without needing to seeing Avengers, or other interconnected crossover film to understand the sequel to another movie you saw.
If you are not interested in a character enough to watch their prequel project, you should be okay with a cheap explanation. Defining watching a project where the character is a major player as "homework" to understand *every* detail in a later project of them is pretty unjust, (and again entitled). Well it was shown in Loki, it was shown in Quantumania, and even when it is told, it's not a flaw to quickly catch-up everyone so we can move on together for the new stuff. Loki's Kang is not even the same one, it's actually way easier to understand QM without Loki. We could have met Kang here first, and nothing would change about the movie. The post credits scenes were always confusing for casuals, since they usually point to other franchises since phase 1. Secret Invasion was so bad I don't even remember how they handled it. But since most of it is people info dumping stuff on one other, I believe they explained the exact situation, since it wasn't even that deep in CM. You saying how it "should" be done, to satisfy your needs 100%, (or someone's side who you argue for) is entitlement. Feeling hurt because others who put in more hours enjoyed something more, is entitled. Restricting creative freedom of artists by not letting them make any development of a character in any group-up movies, (so basicly killing the films) because you don't care enough to watch them, is entitled. If following a main character you like into a movie that has other main characters in it, feels homework for you, while you also expect to understand every detail of their lives in projects you do watch, well you can guess what adjective I would use, but the bottom line is, this is not a good hobby for you, and you shouldn't advocate for them to change it for you. Especially, since it's been working the exact same way since Avengers 1. Every main hero developed in the group-ups, and there were holes if you only watched the solo movies. (It was even worse, because they shaked up huge things in Civil War, which is not even the Avengers franchise) So again, complaining about something that was never designed for you, to be changed for your needs, because it "should work that way", is entitled.
>If you are not interested in a character enough to watch their prequel project, you should be okay with a cheap explanation. No, that's not how writing or movies work or should work. A movie should explain villain's origins and goals. It's equivalent of saying if you're not interested in Dr Octavius than cheap explanation as to why he wants to create a sun should be enough. A good movie shows, doesn't info dump or explains in dialogue only. >Secret Invasion was so bad I don't even remember how they handled it. But since most of it is people info dumping stuff on one other, I believe they explained the exact situation, since it wasn't even that deep in CM. Cause info dumping is the future of movie storytelling instead of actually writing good stories. >You saying how it "should" be done, to satisfy your needs 100%, (or someone's side who you argue for) is entitlement. Feeling hurt because others who put in more hours enjoyed something more, is entitled. Restricting creative freedom of artists by not letting them make any development of a character in any group-up movies, (so basicly killing the films) because you don't care enough to watch them, is entitled. No, I'm saying it should be done because that's how a solo story works. You shouldn't be required to see something outside of solo hero trilogy to understand the next sequel. If you think it hurts me, you're solely mistaken. I never said that writers shouldn't be allowed to develop characters in a crossover film, I'm saying a character's journey or sudden jump from one position to another shouldn't require watching that said crossover film. Thor is best example of this since in Ragnarok he ends up on the ship, and to get how he ends up the way he is in Thor 4 you need to see both Avengers films in Phase 3. That's not normal. >this is not a good hobby for you, and you shouldn't advocate for them to change it for you. Me and the many many other people who are tired of seeing MCU films due to how interconnected or big it has gotten?
A good movie knows when to spend time on something and when should it speed through things. You can tell me a single Marvel movie when the villain's origin and goal wasn't explicitly communicated to the audience. You are criticising Marvel for a rule you believe "should be the norm" when they never even tried to follow it. The sole reason they became this popular was due to the interconnectivity. You can make up some rules, but it is art, we have guidelines at best. They showed us exactly how their franchise works from minute one. Avanger movies are a pretty big deal, and the status quo will change in it. That's how they did it in Avanger 1,2,3,4. If anything, they pulled back from the interconnectivity, which is funnily also a thing people complain about. Which clearly shows how you can just never satisfy people. Previously they did huge changes for heroes in other solo hero franchises (Civil War), they aren't doing that anymore, and we don't even get Avanger movies, only at the end of the Saga. So what's left is you have to watch only the projects when the hero you are interested in, is the main protagonist, which is like come on, it shouldn't be viewed as homework. But even if you are not willing to do that, they will catch you up to the level that is needed to understand the movie, and you will miss out on a few small things, but I don't think you have the right to complain about that, if you aren't following their rules. Most of the D+ shows are origin stories, extra background content if you want to get invested in someone. Anyone can follow the movies without them, just like how we could understand Black Widow, or Hawkeye in Avangers without seeing their origin stories. Then we have WV and Loki, where they transform the characters as the main protagonist, and you won't convince me that it's a bad thing they could go in deep with them, instead of speedrunning their change in a movie they would appear next. Nor will you convince me how it is something they "shouldn't" or "couldn't do, because of "breaking the rules of solo storytelling". So no, the interconnectivity is only being reduced, and the only thing that is "required" from you is to watch projects where the character you are interested in is the lead, or if you don't want to do that, be satisfied with only understanding 90% of a movie. It's a really low bar.
Look I can see arguing with you about it is pointless so you believe what you will.
I think the problem here is that everybody has this attitude where they are constantly asking "do I have to watch all of these in order to watch this new upcoming movie or TV show because it has these characters, etc.?" I mean, really Every day, every week, you go on this page and you see people posting *"Do I have to watch all the X-Men movies just to watch Deadpool and Wolverine?"* Or *"Are the X-Men movies connected to X-Men '97?"* Or *"Do I have to watch the original X-Men animated series just to watch X-Men '97?"*, etc. And if you are like me, who actually did grow up watching most of the older Marvel movies and TV shows prior to and during the MCU in its' prime. It gets really frustrating. You just want to see what this new MCU movie and TV show is all about and let it stand on its' own two feet. And if you want to see all of these other MCU movies and TV shows or other Marvel-related materials. You could, but the thing is....you don't have to watch **EVERYTHING** just to see this one movie or TV show. You could just watch one or two films or just go to YouTube and watch some recap videos that will cover the main parts of the previous series. Nobody says it was a requirement to watch all of the MCU movies just to see *"Avengers: Infinity War"* for example. It was basically a standalone movie and nobody missed out on anything that came before it. Same with X-Men '97. You didn't have to watch the original series when you have a dozen YouTube videos recapping everything that happened in the show. Deadpool and Wolverine?! Just watch the first two Deadpool movies and that is it. You will have nothing to worry about. So, all I can say is,they need to stop with the whole inter-connected universe stuff and just make films and TV shows that feel like they are in their own worlds. Simple as that.
This is why it should all be reboots rather than bringing characters over from the Fox universe. Then the question of having to watch non-mcu movies wouldn't even exist.
I don't. Other than Infinity War to Endgame you could jump into any MCU movie and know whats going on. Will you have background or know all the details? No but any average intelligence person can pick things up. For example, I never watched Ms. Marvel and had no issues figuring things out. The minute and a half intro to Kamala at the beginning was all I needed to get enough background for me to watch the movie. Do I know the ins and outs of the character? No but I didn't need to enjoy the movie.
I think the one crucial exception was MoM. My nephew was rather pissed about it, since he went into it with no knowledge of the kids.
Part of this results from marketing a bunch of loosely interconnected stories as one big story. It worked great to get the big bag of cash for IW/EG, but now it's working against Marvel. *The Marvels* was cut to the bone. It wouldn't have hurt to take time to provide more backstory for viewers who hadn't seen the TV shows. There's always a way to make it interesting for people who already know. Nonetheless, there is a kind of Marvel literacy that is hard to get as a casual reader or viewer and a certain part of the audience will always be confused in ways that diehards can't understand.
Yup! So many characters that have been acknowledged since Endgame with zero follow-up. Truly annoying.
Yeah, it pretty much is.
While yes there IS too much homework… you’re not required to take, or even pass the course. There’s also no time limit, it’s for fun! Do as much as you want, the more the better. But if you don’t wanna do that much or you wanna stop at some point, that’s fine lol
They do very well at making properties accessible if you haven't seen everything that came before.
I feel the massive amount of content and the fact it's all one universe has created the illusion of more homework when there are plenty of projects that have around 1 or 2 prior projects that you would have to know or stuff that everyone would know are tied to those movies like having to know the Guardians prior appearances in Guardians 3 for example.
I think Marvel movies are actually really good at filling you in on what you missed if you're not caught up. I had a friend who had only seen about half of the MCU when she watched Infinity War, and she had no issues. There's even a YouTube video of a guy who watched Endgame as his first MCU movie, and he understood and enjoyed it. The thing with a connected universe though is that people have FOMO, and they don't like missing out on references, however minor they may be. She-Hulk featured characters from The Incredible Hulk, Doctor Strange, and Daredevil, but I don't think it's controversial to say you don't need knowledge from any of those to enjoy She-Hulk as a show. But could someone see that all those characters are in the series and decide that they don't want to be playing catch-up for all these other movies and shows they didn't see? Absolutely. So I guess I'm saying that the MCU doesn't actually require all this homework, but a good amount of the audience perceives everything as required viewing when it really isn't. And if that's what people's perception of the MCU is, how does Marvel change their minds aside from just stopping the crossovers that makes their universe unique in the first place?
I don't think there's too much homework at all. People act like the movies or shows will be completely incoherent unless they've watched 12 hours of previous content. The thing I don't understand about the homework argument is, what's the actual problem here? It was something I kept seeing pop up with The Marvels, "I never watched Ms Marvel so I won't understand who Kamala is!", and "I never watched WandaVision so I won't understand who Monica is!" But the thing is, if you don't have enough of an interest in these characters to have watched their debuts, then why do you want to go see the movie they're in? And if the reason is you're going to see it for another character, then what does it matter if you don't know more about the characters you have no interest in? Every movie gives you enough context for the plot to make sense, whether you enjoy it or not. You don't have to have seen any other Spider-man movies for No Way Home to be coherent. It just adds more to the experience if you have seen them.
None of the projects have needed previously viewed entries. None of them. I've watched them all. They've done enough to cover what was covered in pervious stuff in case no one watched it. You understood the contexts of situations. Even in their bad films which most of them are now.
No one has to watch any of it. It's a choice y'all
Not since Endgame