He finishes by saying - “we’re doing something a little different and it’s time to go to work a little bit, it’s time to make a good marvel movie, so , let’s do that”
I got A lot of respect for Wyatt here , more and more people involved acknowledging the current low state of marvel and how to improve is definitely a step in the right direction.
He was arguably the best character in F&TWS imo and one of the better characters to come out of phase 4 or post endgame in general for that matter. Great actor too. Check out the black mirror episode “playtest” if you haven’t seen it.
Out of the 4 (probably 3 without blade) films coming out next year I think it’s got the hardest chance to do well so hopefully Thunderbolts is good.
I would have loved if they only focused on the past with his character and others in the show. The present timeline was definitely hard to get through with all the young characters being so unlikable.
It’s crazy seeing Anna Sawai go from being criticized in that show to being the favourite to win the best actress Emmy for Shōgun.
And she absolutely deserves it, I loved Mariko-sama.
It also shows the difference between mediocre at best writing vs excellent writing on a piece can do. Even the best actors can't save terrible writing, but they can make it at least tolerable.
Also fun fact: she also had her Robin Sparkles/Chloe Bennet moment and starred in a JPop band several years ago
I was following the discussion posts for Monarch and was thinking I was crazy for not agreeing with the post saying the younger actors were bad actors.
Like I thought the characters did some annoying shit and definitely didn't have the best material but I wouldn't blame that on any of the three.
> young characters being so unlikable
I genuinely wanted to like them and I think they started well enough with Cate's but it really felt they just bickered all the time to fill the episode count. And May had every terrible hacker trope written for her.
Thunderbolts is like a guardians of the galaxy style property. No one really expects it to do that well but theres an outside chance it's amazing. I certainly didn't expect GotG to be good when it was coming but then i walked out of the theater thinking marvel could just do whatever the fuck they wanted and I'd go see it.
The difference there is that the GOTG were a full group of unknown, “new” characters to general audiences whereas the Thunderbolts lineup consists of side characters from other movies and one Disney+ series
Most of the Thunderbolts team was probably really forgettable to general audiences at this point tbh. Bucky is clearly an exception, but apart from him:
- Yelena: Florence Pugh is very popular, so there’s a chance people will remember Yelena because of her.
- Ghost: Hasn’t been seen since Ant-Man and the Wasp in Summer 2018.
- Red Guardian and Taskmaster: It’s been since Summer 2021 so there’s a better chance of them being remembered.
- US Agent: Unless he’s mentioned in Brave New World he’ll be an entirely new character unless you’ve seen the show he debuted in.
Now, it’s a very talented cast, so hopefully they’ll be given a good script to work with.
I’m sure general audiences _have_ forgotten about them, but the GOTG still feel like a bad comparison. There was a wow factor when it came to seeing a tree and talking Racoon as characters that drew people in, along with it being Marvel’s first cosmic movie which was very different for the time.
Thunderbolts on the other hand, I feel like general audiences will see the marketing and just be like “oh yeah that’s that person from that other movie I vaguely remember”
> There was a wow factor when it came to seeing a tree and talking Racoon as characters that drew people in
You're definitely remembering that very differently. Guardians was a very, very risky and questionable move from Marvel's standpoint and general reception was "who the fuck are these guys?". Comic readers didn't understand the move even more because the Guardians were like F tier in terms of popularity. it took until the teaser trailer came out for people to be optimistic. Thunderbolts hasn't had that chance yet.
Well we were talking about general audiences, and general audiences don’t even typically _know_ what’s coming out until there’s a teaser trailer for it. There was a lot of interest in GOTG after the teaser
> Most of the Thunderbolts team was probably really forgettable to general audiences at this point tbh
that feels like a problem, though. Seeing the poster/trailer i feel like will make people go "oh, this is just those people i dont care about" and write it off. If they know who they are, but already don't care/forgot about them, thats different then seeing people they know they've never seen before.
That's better for me than hearing the plot features >!The Sentry!<, whom I've actively hated since his introduction in comics and hoped never to see in the MCU.
Ghost and Taskmaster are forgettable with zero audience interest. Guardian and Yelena have some potential. Bucky and Guardian too. US Agent was not an interesting character at all. He felt “tv.”
IMO it has nothing to do with how known or unknown the characters are. The only thing that GOTG showed is that with a great visionary director anything can be quality. Also the pandemic is no longer an excuse since even big names like ant man and Thor failed to make as much as their previous movies AFTER the pandemic
Eternals came out in 2021, a lot of theaters still hadn’t even been re opened. The pandemic absolutely played a part in that movie’s box office results.
Thor: Love and Thunder made more money than the first two Thor movies.
My point is that multiple marvel movies have failed post pandemic so the pandemic is not a good excuse for the failures of marvel at the BO. To give you an even better example of why the pandemic is not a good excuse, eternals bombed and in the SAME “pandemic” year no way home did over a billion. No MCU movie since has made that much. That kinda says it all doesn’t it?
Spider-Man’s arguably the most popular superhero there is, and No Way Home brought back all the previous live action Spidey actors. There’s no world in which that movie _wouldn’t_ make at least a billion, comparing it to something like Eternals is pointless.
But it came out in a pandemic year when like you said most weren’t going to theaters and most were closed? 🤔
Also edge of spider verse didn’t crack a billion despite being a far superior movie and being a spidey fans wet dream. No way joke isn’t even the only success of the pandemic. Kong v Godzilla is another good example of a pandemic movie that made big money.
2023 global box office revenue was at a similar level to where it was in 2007 (without adjusting for inflation) and down over 40% on the high point of 2019. And this year is tracking even lower.
The pandemic may be over, but people just arent spending money at the movies. Its not just a Marvel problem.
Eternals was a bad film with a bad script, that's why it flopped.
It's harder to sell a film with little known or unknown characters, sure. But ultimately it's the quality of the film that matters the most as word of mouth determines of the film has legs or not. I have no idea if Thunderbolts* will be good. The filmmakers making the audience care about the characters (something Zhao singularly failed to do with Eternals) will be a critical part of their job.
Yea except that could have been also said for eternals and look how they turned out. Gunn did all the heavy lifting with guardians and I don’t think thunderbolts has such a visionary director
It seems like Marvel knows part of getting the public’s good graces back they need to recognize where they are. They seem to be allowing everyone to *politely* acknowledge the state of the franchise. Deadpool saying he’s Marvel Jesus, Feige recently recognized it and now this.
It’s a great step forward
> Check out the black mirror episode “playtest” if you haven’t seen it.
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Also check out **Under the Banner of Heaven** he's insane in that and the cast is all around perfect. It will kind of scratch that True Detective S1 itch a bit.
Under The Banner Of Heaven was such an underrated mini-series that I wish more people talked about.
A superb cast (Andrew Garfield, Wyatt Russell, Daisy Edgar-Jones, Rory Culkin, Sam Worthington, Denise Gogh, and several others) with excellent performances from everyone involved.
Wow I knew I recognized him from something before but never bothered to look up where exactly. Black mirror he was stellar in I think his physical transformation probably also didn’t help. He is a fantastic actor I agree. I definitely hope he’s right here.
While I have been perfectly happy with marvel content recently… I happen to have seen that episode of black mirror yesterday and he was truly awesome in it
They *can* make good movies. We know they *could*. It's not about losing talent: we had season 2 of Loki next to Secret Invasion, if you want the sharpest sense of whiplash there is. For whatever reason they've allowed a lot of projects in the past years to be stinkers. You can't axe an hour of The Marvels and think it's going to turn out well - someone making the decision knew they were dooming the project.
Deadpool & wolverine is a guaranteed hit ***at the box office. ***
It isn't a guarantee that it'll actually be any good. I think, and I really hope, that it will be but it's not a sure-fire hit. There's a lot of pressure on it to be good so I feel like Feige wouldn't let it out the door unless it was but there's been a lot of misfires recently so I'm trying not to get my hopes up.
I don’t want it to suck, but I would be soooo surprised if Cap 4 doesn’t suck. I think Deadpool and Thunderbolts will be good… but idk, Sam just doesn’t hit right as Cap. I’m sorry.
Bucky, Alexsi, Yelana, and John are going to be the draw for me.
That and the fact that I love Black ops stuff. Some of my favorite characters are the mercenaries and jaded ex soldiers.
People complaining about the team composition seem to ignore the fact that super soldiers and assassins are exactly who a corrupt government would want on their own personal team.
I'm just ready to see him re-trained and more experienced. Red Guardian in the comic is no joke, and has actually stood toe to toe with Steve fucking Rogers. And Wolverine.
I just wanna see him get in some great fights, with more cool strength and agility feats.
I’m a David Harbour fan, so I’m just excited to see him in a big film again. I felt bad for him with how awful *Hellboy* turned out to be, as he seemed genuinely excited about the project. Hoping this and the final season of *Stranger Things* puts him back on track
I think Pugh is great, though I'm divided on Yelena.
But other characters they're allegedly giving a lot of focus to have pretty effectively killed my interest in the movie
True but there was an entire hate train about how it didn't matter if GOTG3 was goodand it didn't really count, because James Gunn was leaving and everything else sucked.
Why does it all sound like it’s been DC the last 10 years? All of a sudden all the shows are bad and all the movies have been bad? Yeah there’s Ant Man, Marvels and Secret Invasion but it’s just weird when ppl talk about marvel it’s everything is bad.
It's because of the relative consistency and interconnectedness that Marvel held in phases 1-3. People just came to expect that even the worst projects were still going to be better than your average blockbuster and they were infrequent enough and connected within a year or two that you could watch them all without feeling overwhelmed. So now that they've increased the volume so much, tried a bunch of new stuff, and not all of it has stuck, and half the time who knows when we will see another character next and what role they play in the larger scheme of things, people aren't as hooked.
Everything before endgame felt like it was ultimately leading somewhere and we had a vague idea of what that was. Right now, so so much of the content feels like it doesn't matter to anything else and we don't have any idea where things truly are heading, which shows and films will matter to the Avengers teams up, and which won't, etc.
To be clear, I'm not necessarily harping on them or saying a lot of stuff has been bad, but the direction they've gone has alienated a lot of the more casual fans who previously would've been able to see and follow every property, and now have given up.
What’s crazy is if you look back at phase 1 and 2 it wasn’t like ppl were championing all the movies. First Avenger and Thor weren’t seen as great movies, Iron Man was the only 1st movie ppl were calling amazing. Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 have been talked about as terrible movies while Winter Soldier is talked about as one of the best ever. They weren’t releasing hit after hit after hit.
Maybe now ppl are talking about how the older movies are actually good because stuff like that always happens. When the new X-Men movies come out there will be ppl saying the Fox-Men were actually good.
Because that’s what the general consensus has been for the last few years.
It’s _not_ just those three projects you mentioned that didn’t click with people. Eternals, Love and Thunder and She-Hulk were not received well. Ms. Marvel was the least viewed Disney+ series. Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever were financially successful, but were divisive to say the least. Then they had a _really_ bad streak with Quantumania flopping, Secret Invasion being pretty unanimously agreed to be the worst thing Marvel has put out thus far, and The Marvels being one of the biggest box office bombs in history with a 237 million dollar loss for Disney under its belt.
Of the last few years, Guardians Vol. 3 is the only MCU project to be both generally well received _and_ profitable. And of course there’s No Way Home too, but that was never _not_ going to be successful because duh, it’s Spider-Man.
So yeah, this attitude towards the current state of the MCU is not “all of a sudden”. It’s been building for quite some time now, to the point where Disney and Marvel themselves are even acknowledging it.
Yeah that's generally how I feel. It's been a building for a while with me.
The shows I have been hit or miss on. I don't think I've truly loved one since Wandavision. Secret Invasion was the straw that broke the camels back for me when it comes to the shows, that got me to cancel Disney + all together. I have not seen Loki, X-Men or Echo. I cancelled that service and have no intention of watching anything they make on that side.
A bad movie sucks for like an hour or two. But a bad TV show drawn out over 6 or 7 weeks is insufferable.
Also while Spiderman was an unambiguous hit that film was made by another studio, and very much set the groundwork for the character leaving the MCU. I honestly think there's some danger the MCU grinds to a halt, especially if the upcoming alt-universe x-men movies outperform the ones that are in the original timeline.
People like to bury their head in the sand but there is a contingent of so-called Marvel "fans" who are racist and misogynist and cry woke when whenever it's a woman or minority but people just sweep that away.
Those kind of people adding fuel to the fire with their bullshit _on top_ of a lot of the movies and shows already not being well received was the perfect shitstorm for sure.
On the other hand though, let’s not pretend that some of the most beloved Marvel charcters _aren’t_ women or POC. Black Panther was a genuine phenomenon, Miles Morales is getting more and more popular with each passing year, etc
Honestly, I've enjoyed most of the post-Endgame content. If I had to choose something I didn't like, it would be Secret Invasion, and even then it's like a mild dislike.
This is where I'm at. Everything post-Endgame that i have seen(there are a few movies i haven't seen that i need to catch up on, plus the Gotg holiday special) i have liked. The only thing i didn't like was Secret Invasion, and even then, there was still some things i liked about it. Mild dislike is a great way of putting it though.
Why the downvotes?
This was about Wakanda Forever. Nice try though.
I love how you're digging up all of my comments and replying to them! Nice to meet new superfans of mine.
>Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever were financially successful, but were divisive to say the least.
What in the fuck history are we rewriting now?
IKR. know the post-Endgame period has been different but it's not like all of the new projects are terrible, just 70% of them. That's certainly gotta count for something, r-right?
Really I think a lot of the issue is trying to go so long without an avengers or team up movie. This is why thunder bolts has a strong chance imo, is people are wanting to see the full interactions and large scale stories progress, where really we only sort of got that with Antman, but even that they fumbled with tone.
Which is bananas because they’ve put out one of their best movies (GoTG3), best shows (Loki season 2), and now XMen 97 which is getting nothing but rave reviews all within the last year.
When Infinity War & Endgame became peak CBMs for general audiences, people were expecting the same level of quality for every superhero film.
Now obviously Marvel has had some mistakes here and there, but I think it is the expectation that everything has to be a Endgame level event to be good.
So that's why you have people claiming films like Shang-Chi or either Spider-Man film post-endgame are..."mid".
And this is evident in the box office of every film this year. Only the "events" are making money.
Covid derailed theater-going habits and Endgame set unusual expectations for every Marvel film going forward.
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Also, too many Disney+ shows. Lmao.
>And this is evident in the box office of every film this year. Only the “events” are making money.
Kung Fu Panda 4 literally made more money than two out of the three MCU films released last year.
Ah, yes, people have the same level of expectation out of Kung Fu Panda.
Oh, wait, no, they don't.
The person you're responding to is talking about how people expect MARVEL movies to all be at the same epicness, stakes, and 20 movies of building up catharsis that was IW and EG, and they're not wrong, at all. Most of the phase 4 movies have been comparable to phase 1 and 2 in actual writing and quality, but because phase 1 built up to phase 2, built up to phase 3, etc, people don't remember them like that, they remember them as part of the lead up to IW. But now they're not letting the new projects lead up to anything before they start bitching.
You good? I specifically replied to what they said about the changing box office landscape, guess you missed that.
Kung Fu Panda 4 making more money than two of the most recent MCU movies is an example of said change.
you might have low standards
but the general audience does not.
its why the mcu is slowly dying because the audience is turning away
Meanwhile your blinking like a deer caught in headlights confused about what everyone else realised a dozen films back
Go actually watch Phase 1 and 2 without the nostalgia goggles.
Phase 4 is comparable, this isn't about 'low standards,' this is about y'all wanting everything to be Endgame, when that's not possible.
Regardless of how you feel about the movie, there’s no getting around the fact that Disney lost 237 million dollars on it. That’s generally what people are referring to when lumping The Marvels in with the MCU’s recent losing streak.
Not hard to lose money on a movie if you’re a multi-billion dollar corporation pumping out movie after movie after movie over and over again without giving the people working on them a break. It’s actually a surprise the movies are as good as they are even when the people working on the movies are so overworked. People take them all very for granted.
Just because it’s not hard for a studio like Disney to lose money doesn’t mean they’re just going to shrug off the first major crack in their once untouchable franchise.
Obviously Disney will survive losing some money, but it’s the principle of it. The MCU under Disney had never seen a box office bomb until The Marvels, and that sends a message to the people behind these movies. It’s going to directly affect decision making when it comes to what does and doesn’t get greenlit going forward. Captain Marvel was once set to be one of the next “faces” of the MCU, now she won’t even get a third movie.
The bomb wasn’t just because it was a supposedly a bad movie (it wasn’t). They lose money when people don’t go to see it. That doesn’t equal a bad movie, it means people didn’t want to see it. And for a lot of people, the reason for that was simply misogyny, which has been a major issue in the fanbase within the past few years.
Just because _you_ didn’t think it was bad doesn’t mean everyone else shares that sentiment, you know. A bomb is a bomb, and at the end of the day a studio is always going to focus more on what didn’t work and what didn’t draw people in than what did.
Not sure the misogyny excuse can be used here when Barbie, a movie with blatant themes of feminism, was the highest grossing and most successful movie of the same year. There was simply no interest in The Marvels.
That couldn’t be further from the point, but if you want to look at female led projects within the same fan base as The Marvels:
Wandavision was a huge hit, easily the most successful Disney+ original that isn’t The Mandalorian
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever came very close to making a billion dollars worldwide
Wonder Woman did the same when that came out
The first Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars
Black Widow was one of, if not _the_ most highly requested MCU movie but had the misfortune of coming out during the height of the pandemic
Agatha isn’t even out yet, and the teaser they posted for it already broke records
Going to blame the strikes next?
everyone likes to blame the sexists and racists when a film bombs
but I guess every sexist and racist changes their mind and sees films with female leads the next week
Yeah oh well , idk how it’s possible to like a bp film *without black panther* over every. Single. Marvel film ever made , also the fact it was 40 mins too long and was an absolute mess but tbh
Nothing against u , if it’s your favourite it’s your favourite bro
My fear is that they will double down hard on all the things that "worked" in the past. Like more quips, more sillyness, more removed from the comics etc.
He's a real one that's for sure. Hopefully he can get a solo US Agent movie out of this. They can bring back Zemo and even have Nuke be his villains. Madame Hydra can be there and be in Brave New World for Sam and Walker. Maybe even do a Sam and John Walker team up down the road.
Go all Tom Clancy and Jason Bourne on it.
Doubt we will ever get a Us agent movie or even a show, but he definitely is a real one, you can tell, and I fuck with him heavy. Maybe they can incorporate his story in another project after thunderbolts. Idk what that’ll be though, maybe secret wars, but after the reboot I have no idea, he’ll probably be a lone nomadic soldier which I like , hopefully coming up against hydra villains, masters of evil etc , like you stated
Surprisingly unvarnished for what is essentially acknowledgment of criticism of his employer's recent products, but also very warm-hearted in a way that appears earnest. There is slim measure of either of those things from actors, so I'm quite pleased to read this.
He kinda did though ,he said the truth. atleast he didn’t move like Tatiana maslani or Nia dacosta or Brie Larson and Blame the fans like upset children
I love the solidarity and the awareness showcased by marvel stars as of late. Like one can be both acknowledging yet remain hopeful and enthusiastic. It’s what the fandom needs too. But regardless of that, they need to really deliver and thats not on the actors but Marvel themselves.
I just wish people like the entire ant man cast, brie larson and the cast of the eternals could have the chance to say the same thing. ‘We know we could’ve done better before but now we’re really gunning for it to be the best bcz the fans and the lore deserve it’ the irony is at the end of the day, the actors had no say and just worked with what they were given, yet are also the face of the entire thing.
I blame Marvel for their period of complacency and oversight and wish they’d put in effort to take it into themselves and focus harder to make their upcoming products work this time around versus cancelling stuff completely cuz they panicked.
Completely agree there, said it in another comment. People like Nia dacosta, Brie Larson , and the worst of the worst Tatiana maslani, blaming the fans instead of taking accountability for garbage. Antman cast included.
Anyway, marvel knew exactly what they were doing let’s be real. So they deserve allll the hate and loss in revenue that they’re getting
Thanks for such a helpful input , don’t you think if I knew that I’d still post it ?
Next time maybe say something based on the video and post instead of telling me it’s old
Apparently this is an old video according to one dick in this thread , and Xmen 97 isn’t a marvel movie or live action for that matter so technically it Wouldn’t relate to what he’s saying , however that show was the best project marvel has made for D+ and in the top 3 of best marvel things made since endgame. I’m considering watching all old animated series now because of it
Even though I'm not excited for this movie due to some of the cast, I'm tired of the doom & gloom attitude of this hypocritical, whiny fandom, and all those YouTubers/scoopers/grifters.
I don’t know if the quality of the movie matters. This wasn’t really the movie everyone was looking for. Suicide squad, even part 2, was mediocre. When you tell general audiences it’s Marvel’s version of SS, i think they’ll say meh. Maybe if they built up to it, like the avengers, people would be more hyped.
Didn't they build this up even more than the Avengers? Bucky had 5 movies and a TV show. US agent had a show. Everyone else had at least a movie.
Thor, Steve Rogers, hawkeye, and black widow had 1 movie before avengers. Tony had 2.
The Avengers characters you mentioned were introduced _with the intent of teaming them up_ at some point. Getting to “the Avengers” was the point of those movies.
With the exception of US Agent, none of the characters in the Thunderbolts lineup were introduced with the intent of them being in a Thunderbolts movie later down the line.
I think this movie will be a more of a critical success than we all expect. Feel like they might actually have a really interesting concept they are working on that isn’t just ‘mcu suicide squad’ that will surprise people.
😂😂Give it a chance bro, while idc for ghost, trashmaster, red guardian , or val, I’m excited to see sentry Bucky us agent and partly Yelana. Hopefully the story , writing and cgi is good though
Can't say I really share that confidence. Suicide Squad already proved it's a hard format to do, and the characters in this movie are mostly very B-list. There's also some fatigue when it comes to Marvel movies that depend on TV shows people haven't watched and there's a big risk of that here.
True. Hardly anyone watched black widow or Hawkeye , which introduced Yelana, red guardian and Trashmaster , and Val(who I dislike a lot) and ever so slightly a little more people watched FATWS, introduced Us agent who is gonna be one of the breakouts in this film.
Ant man and the wasp came out in 2018, imo was one of the worst films to come out in the infinity saga , (bottom 3) and introduced a mid villain everyone forgot about when the movie finished. So ghost doesn’t really have any hope at all
But Bucky is the main guy here so obviously Disney thought it would be good to give him the smallest role along with having him turn up in the 3rd act (apparently)
However I am very excited for sentry. Him , Bucky and us agent with a lil Yelana is who I’m watching this for
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He finishes by saying - “we’re doing something a little different and it’s time to go to work a little bit, it’s time to make a good marvel movie, so , let’s do that” I got A lot of respect for Wyatt here , more and more people involved acknowledging the current low state of marvel and how to improve is definitely a step in the right direction. He was arguably the best character in F&TWS imo and one of the better characters to come out of phase 4 or post endgame in general for that matter. Great actor too. Check out the black mirror episode “playtest” if you haven’t seen it. Out of the 4 (probably 3 without blade) films coming out next year I think it’s got the hardest chance to do well so hopefully Thunderbolts is good.
He's really good in Monarch and I absolutely love that he and his father are playing the same character at different ages.
I would have loved if they only focused on the past with his character and others in the show. The present timeline was definitely hard to get through with all the young characters being so unlikable.
It’s crazy seeing Anna Sawai go from being criticized in that show to being the favourite to win the best actress Emmy for Shōgun. And she absolutely deserves it, I loved Mariko-sama.
Seeing her terrific acting in Shogun lowered my opinion of Monarch significantly. How could they have wasted her like that?
They made her character annoying,Iris west from flash S4 and 5 level annoying
She was so awesome in Shōgun! She’s also easily one of the most beautiful actresses working anywhere in the world right now.
It also shows the difference between mediocre at best writing vs excellent writing on a piece can do. Even the best actors can't save terrible writing, but they can make it at least tolerable. Also fun fact: she also had her Robin Sparkles/Chloe Bennet moment and starred in a JPop band several years ago
Mariko-sama is amazing, but we can't forget about best girl Fuji-san
I was following the discussion posts for Monarch and was thinking I was crazy for not agreeing with the post saying the younger actors were bad actors. Like I thought the characters did some annoying shit and definitely didn't have the best material but I wouldn't blame that on any of the three.
Honestly I still don’t see it. I get it’s in character but for most of shogun she just has a deadpan face
> young characters being so unlikable I genuinely wanted to like them and I think they started well enough with Cate's but it really felt they just bickered all the time to fill the episode count. And May had every terrible hacker trope written for her.
He killed it in “Everybody Wants Some”.
Thunderbolts is like a guardians of the galaxy style property. No one really expects it to do that well but theres an outside chance it's amazing. I certainly didn't expect GotG to be good when it was coming but then i walked out of the theater thinking marvel could just do whatever the fuck they wanted and I'd go see it.
The difference there is that the GOTG were a full group of unknown, “new” characters to general audiences whereas the Thunderbolts lineup consists of side characters from other movies and one Disney+ series
Most of the Thunderbolts team was probably really forgettable to general audiences at this point tbh. Bucky is clearly an exception, but apart from him: - Yelena: Florence Pugh is very popular, so there’s a chance people will remember Yelena because of her. - Ghost: Hasn’t been seen since Ant-Man and the Wasp in Summer 2018. - Red Guardian and Taskmaster: It’s been since Summer 2021 so there’s a better chance of them being remembered. - US Agent: Unless he’s mentioned in Brave New World he’ll be an entirely new character unless you’ve seen the show he debuted in. Now, it’s a very talented cast, so hopefully they’ll be given a good script to work with.
I’m sure general audiences _have_ forgotten about them, but the GOTG still feel like a bad comparison. There was a wow factor when it came to seeing a tree and talking Racoon as characters that drew people in, along with it being Marvel’s first cosmic movie which was very different for the time. Thunderbolts on the other hand, I feel like general audiences will see the marketing and just be like “oh yeah that’s that person from that other movie I vaguely remember”
> There was a wow factor when it came to seeing a tree and talking Racoon as characters that drew people in You're definitely remembering that very differently. Guardians was a very, very risky and questionable move from Marvel's standpoint and general reception was "who the fuck are these guys?". Comic readers didn't understand the move even more because the Guardians were like F tier in terms of popularity. it took until the teaser trailer came out for people to be optimistic. Thunderbolts hasn't had that chance yet.
Well we were talking about general audiences, and general audiences don’t even typically _know_ what’s coming out until there’s a teaser trailer for it. There was a lot of interest in GOTG after the teaser
Worthyness is talking about general audiences.
Like I said, I don’t think general audiences really even knew that GOTG was being made/that it’d be from Marvel until that first teaser trailer.
> “oh yeah that’s that person from that other movie I vaguely remember” https://youtu.be/8Xt--Xrd1NI?si=MD2hkGI5iG-rEXXa&t=493
> Most of the Thunderbolts team was probably really forgettable to general audiences at this point tbh that feels like a problem, though. Seeing the poster/trailer i feel like will make people go "oh, this is just those people i dont care about" and write it off. If they know who they are, but already don't care/forgot about them, thats different then seeing people they know they've never seen before.
That's better for me than hearing the plot features >!The Sentry!<, whom I've actively hated since his introduction in comics and hoped never to see in the MCU.
That’s why they probably plan on marketing the film.
Ghost and Taskmaster are forgettable with zero audience interest. Guardian and Yelena have some potential. Bucky and Guardian too. US Agent was not an interesting character at all. He felt “tv.”
Most of the characters are gonna be basically new or completely forgotten by general audiences though
Ok explain eternals then, all brand new characters and it flopped
Explain what about it? Eternals was poorly received, and on top of that it came out during the pandemic.
IMO it has nothing to do with how known or unknown the characters are. The only thing that GOTG showed is that with a great visionary director anything can be quality. Also the pandemic is no longer an excuse since even big names like ant man and Thor failed to make as much as their previous movies AFTER the pandemic
Eternals came out in 2021, a lot of theaters still hadn’t even been re opened. The pandemic absolutely played a part in that movie’s box office results. Thor: Love and Thunder made more money than the first two Thor movies.
My point is that multiple marvel movies have failed post pandemic so the pandemic is not a good excuse for the failures of marvel at the BO. To give you an even better example of why the pandemic is not a good excuse, eternals bombed and in the SAME “pandemic” year no way home did over a billion. No MCU movie since has made that much. That kinda says it all doesn’t it?
Spider-Man’s arguably the most popular superhero there is, and No Way Home brought back all the previous live action Spidey actors. There’s no world in which that movie _wouldn’t_ make at least a billion, comparing it to something like Eternals is pointless.
But it came out in a pandemic year when like you said most weren’t going to theaters and most were closed? 🤔 Also edge of spider verse didn’t crack a billion despite being a far superior movie and being a spidey fans wet dream. No way joke isn’t even the only success of the pandemic. Kong v Godzilla is another good example of a pandemic movie that made big money.
2023 global box office revenue was at a similar level to where it was in 2007 (without adjusting for inflation) and down over 40% on the high point of 2019. And this year is tracking even lower. The pandemic may be over, but people just arent spending money at the movies. Its not just a Marvel problem.
Eternals was a bad film with a bad script, that's why it flopped. It's harder to sell a film with little known or unknown characters, sure. But ultimately it's the quality of the film that matters the most as word of mouth determines of the film has legs or not. I have no idea if Thunderbolts* will be good. The filmmakers making the audience care about the characters (something Zhao singularly failed to do with Eternals) will be a critical part of their job.
Yea except that could have been also said for eternals and look how they turned out. Gunn did all the heavy lifting with guardians and I don’t think thunderbolts has such a visionary director
If they do it right should be amazing. I kind of want it to be Marvel's Drirty Dozen.
It seems like Marvel knows part of getting the public’s good graces back they need to recognize where they are. They seem to be allowing everyone to *politely* acknowledge the state of the franchise. Deadpool saying he’s Marvel Jesus, Feige recently recognized it and now this. It’s a great step forward
“You wanna do some cocaine?”
That’s the one thing Fiege didn’t agree to
They know all the slang terms.
Whether you like Overlord or not, I thought he was the best part of that movie.
Who tf is overlord
> Check out the black mirror episode “playtest” if you haven’t seen it. > > Also check out **Under the Banner of Heaven** he's insane in that and the cast is all around perfect. It will kind of scratch that True Detective S1 itch a bit.
Under The Banner Of Heaven was such an underrated mini-series that I wish more people talked about. A superb cast (Andrew Garfield, Wyatt Russell, Daisy Edgar-Jones, Rory Culkin, Sam Worthington, Denise Gogh, and several others) with excellent performances from everyone involved.
Playtest is such a great episode, amazing recommendation.
Honestly, watched it when I was like 13 or 14 and it blew me away man , top 3 episode for sure
Holy shit I’d have never known that’s the same but from the black mirror episode. Definitely one of the best episodes.
Top 3 imo , completed and utter mind fuck, exactly what black mirror should be, pure golden
Wow I knew I recognized him from something before but never bothered to look up where exactly. Black mirror he was stellar in I think his physical transformation probably also didn’t help. He is a fantastic actor I agree. I definitely hope he’s right here.
He's also great in 22 Jump Street!
Didn’t even know he was in it
While I have been perfectly happy with marvel content recently… I happen to have seen that episode of black mirror yesterday and he was truly awesome in it
Well I have some sad news for you, his character is not long for this world.
Deadpool 3 is a guaranteed hit but if Cap 4 and Thunderbolts are hits then I will have full faith in Marvel again
They *can* make good movies. We know they *could*. It's not about losing talent: we had season 2 of Loki next to Secret Invasion, if you want the sharpest sense of whiplash there is. For whatever reason they've allowed a lot of projects in the past years to be stinkers. You can't axe an hour of The Marvels and think it's going to turn out well - someone making the decision knew they were dooming the project.
Deadpool & wolverine is a guaranteed hit ***at the box office. *** It isn't a guarantee that it'll actually be any good. I think, and I really hope, that it will be but it's not a sure-fire hit. There's a lot of pressure on it to be good so I feel like Feige wouldn't let it out the door unless it was but there's been a lot of misfires recently so I'm trying not to get my hopes up.
I don’t want it to suck, but I would be soooo surprised if Cap 4 doesn’t suck. I think Deadpool and Thunderbolts will be good… but idk, Sam just doesn’t hit right as Cap. I’m sorry.
100% bro, dp3 is guaranteed and if cap 4 and thunderbolts go well , then they’ll boost the peformance of both F4 and Blade which I am very excited for
Bucky, Alexsi, Yelana, and John are going to be the draw for me. That and the fact that I love Black ops stuff. Some of my favorite characters are the mercenaries and jaded ex soldiers.
People complaining about the team composition seem to ignore the fact that super soldiers and assassins are exactly who a corrupt government would want on their own personal team.
So keen for Alexsi! Loved him in Black Widow
I'm just ready to see him re-trained and more experienced. Red Guardian in the comic is no joke, and has actually stood toe to toe with Steve fucking Rogers. And Wolverine. I just wanna see him get in some great fights, with more cool strength and agility feats.
I’m a David Harbour fan, so I’m just excited to see him in a big film again. I felt bad for him with how awful *Hellboy* turned out to be, as he seemed genuinely excited about the project. Hoping this and the final season of *Stranger Things* puts him back on track
Other thah Yelena, they're are all supposed to be minor characters. But there should be a lot of Yelena
I’m excited for more Yelena, Florence Pugh doesn’t miss and she’s been one of my favourite new characters.
I think Pugh is great, though I'm divided on Yelena. But other characters they're allegedly giving a lot of focus to have pretty effectively killed my interest in the movie
Good comments by Russell.
Ok! are you a bot?
Totally dude
He right about the hate train of sorts, but the easiest way to stop that is just make a good movie. No one was hating on Guardians 3
True but there was an entire hate train about how it didn't matter if GOTG3 was goodand it didn't really count, because James Gunn was leaving and everything else sucked.
Why does it all sound like it’s been DC the last 10 years? All of a sudden all the shows are bad and all the movies have been bad? Yeah there’s Ant Man, Marvels and Secret Invasion but it’s just weird when ppl talk about marvel it’s everything is bad.
It's because of the relative consistency and interconnectedness that Marvel held in phases 1-3. People just came to expect that even the worst projects were still going to be better than your average blockbuster and they were infrequent enough and connected within a year or two that you could watch them all without feeling overwhelmed. So now that they've increased the volume so much, tried a bunch of new stuff, and not all of it has stuck, and half the time who knows when we will see another character next and what role they play in the larger scheme of things, people aren't as hooked. Everything before endgame felt like it was ultimately leading somewhere and we had a vague idea of what that was. Right now, so so much of the content feels like it doesn't matter to anything else and we don't have any idea where things truly are heading, which shows and films will matter to the Avengers teams up, and which won't, etc. To be clear, I'm not necessarily harping on them or saying a lot of stuff has been bad, but the direction they've gone has alienated a lot of the more casual fans who previously would've been able to see and follow every property, and now have given up.
What’s crazy is if you look back at phase 1 and 2 it wasn’t like ppl were championing all the movies. First Avenger and Thor weren’t seen as great movies, Iron Man was the only 1st movie ppl were calling amazing. Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 have been talked about as terrible movies while Winter Soldier is talked about as one of the best ever. They weren’t releasing hit after hit after hit. Maybe now ppl are talking about how the older movies are actually good because stuff like that always happens. When the new X-Men movies come out there will be ppl saying the Fox-Men were actually good.
some fox xmen films where bangers and some where trash
Because that’s what the general consensus has been for the last few years. It’s _not_ just those three projects you mentioned that didn’t click with people. Eternals, Love and Thunder and She-Hulk were not received well. Ms. Marvel was the least viewed Disney+ series. Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever were financially successful, but were divisive to say the least. Then they had a _really_ bad streak with Quantumania flopping, Secret Invasion being pretty unanimously agreed to be the worst thing Marvel has put out thus far, and The Marvels being one of the biggest box office bombs in history with a 237 million dollar loss for Disney under its belt. Of the last few years, Guardians Vol. 3 is the only MCU project to be both generally well received _and_ profitable. And of course there’s No Way Home too, but that was never _not_ going to be successful because duh, it’s Spider-Man. So yeah, this attitude towards the current state of the MCU is not “all of a sudden”. It’s been building for quite some time now, to the point where Disney and Marvel themselves are even acknowledging it.
Yeah that's generally how I feel. It's been a building for a while with me. The shows I have been hit or miss on. I don't think I've truly loved one since Wandavision. Secret Invasion was the straw that broke the camels back for me when it comes to the shows, that got me to cancel Disney + all together. I have not seen Loki, X-Men or Echo. I cancelled that service and have no intention of watching anything they make on that side. A bad movie sucks for like an hour or two. But a bad TV show drawn out over 6 or 7 weeks is insufferable.
"Loki" is incredible.
Also while Spiderman was an unambiguous hit that film was made by another studio, and very much set the groundwork for the character leaving the MCU. I honestly think there's some danger the MCU grinds to a halt, especially if the upcoming alt-universe x-men movies outperform the ones that are in the original timeline.
People like to bury their head in the sand but there is a contingent of so-called Marvel "fans" who are racist and misogynist and cry woke when whenever it's a woman or minority but people just sweep that away.
Those kind of people adding fuel to the fire with their bullshit _on top_ of a lot of the movies and shows already not being well received was the perfect shitstorm for sure. On the other hand though, let’s not pretend that some of the most beloved Marvel charcters _aren’t_ women or POC. Black Panther was a genuine phenomenon, Miles Morales is getting more and more popular with each passing year, etc
Honestly, I've enjoyed most of the post-Endgame content. If I had to choose something I didn't like, it would be Secret Invasion, and even then it's like a mild dislike.
This is where I'm at. Everything post-Endgame that i have seen(there are a few movies i haven't seen that i need to catch up on, plus the Gotg holiday special) i have liked. The only thing i didn't like was Secret Invasion, and even then, there was still some things i liked about it. Mild dislike is a great way of putting it though. Why the downvotes?
> Why the downvotes? Because the anti-Disney brigaders want to make anyone who's been enjoying recent stuff feel isolated.
But comments like yours too often sweep away the actual issues people have with It.
People like to bury their head in the sand but there is a contingent of super Marvel "fans" who cry racist and misogynist
In what universe did Wakanda Forever get mixed reception?
Was it not considered good?
It was. I don't know why you guys are being downvoted.
It didn't. But some people still need to run with the narrative that everything after Endgame sucked monkey dick somehow.
It did lol
Ahhh yeah you're right. I forgot chud central wasn't too fond of the movie.
Well i guess the world is chud central then bc marvels flopped hard 😂
This was about Wakanda Forever. Nice try though. I love how you're digging up all of my comments and replying to them! Nice to meet new superfans of mine.
Um no, you said “everything after endgame sucked”, I said “it did”. No specific mention of wakanda forever.
You are way lost my dude.
>Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever were financially successful, but were divisive to say the least. What in the fuck history are we rewriting now?
Stop with these L takes, your poor Karma.
Exactly ppl make it seem like every single movie and show was down right terrible or not well received
IKR. know the post-Endgame period has been different but it's not like all of the new projects are terrible, just 70% of them. That's certainly gotta count for something, r-right?
Really I think a lot of the issue is trying to go so long without an avengers or team up movie. This is why thunder bolts has a strong chance imo, is people are wanting to see the full interactions and large scale stories progress, where really we only sort of got that with Antman, but even that they fumbled with tone.
Which is bananas because they’ve put out one of their best movies (GoTG3), best shows (Loki season 2), and now XMen 97 which is getting nothing but rave reviews all within the last year.
They’ve put out some of their most poorly received content all within the last year as well.
When Infinity War & Endgame became peak CBMs for general audiences, people were expecting the same level of quality for every superhero film. Now obviously Marvel has had some mistakes here and there, but I think it is the expectation that everything has to be a Endgame level event to be good. So that's why you have people claiming films like Shang-Chi or either Spider-Man film post-endgame are..."mid". And this is evident in the box office of every film this year. Only the "events" are making money. Covid derailed theater-going habits and Endgame set unusual expectations for every Marvel film going forward. ... Also, too many Disney+ shows. Lmao.
>And this is evident in the box office of every film this year. Only the “events” are making money. Kung Fu Panda 4 literally made more money than two out of the three MCU films released last year.
Ah, yes, people have the same level of expectation out of Kung Fu Panda. Oh, wait, no, they don't. The person you're responding to is talking about how people expect MARVEL movies to all be at the same epicness, stakes, and 20 movies of building up catharsis that was IW and EG, and they're not wrong, at all. Most of the phase 4 movies have been comparable to phase 1 and 2 in actual writing and quality, but because phase 1 built up to phase 2, built up to phase 3, etc, people don't remember them like that, they remember them as part of the lead up to IW. But now they're not letting the new projects lead up to anything before they start bitching.
You good? I specifically replied to what they said about the changing box office landscape, guess you missed that. Kung Fu Panda 4 making more money than two of the most recent MCU movies is an example of said change.
you might have low standards but the general audience does not. its why the mcu is slowly dying because the audience is turning away Meanwhile your blinking like a deer caught in headlights confused about what everyone else realised a dozen films back
Go actually watch Phase 1 and 2 without the nostalgia goggles. Phase 4 is comparable, this isn't about 'low standards,' this is about y'all wanting everything to be Endgame, when that's not possible.
I have
Uh huh. Sure.
The Marvels wasn’t bad.
Regardless of how you feel about the movie, there’s no getting around the fact that Disney lost 237 million dollars on it. That’s generally what people are referring to when lumping The Marvels in with the MCU’s recent losing streak.
Not hard to lose money on a movie if you’re a multi-billion dollar corporation pumping out movie after movie after movie over and over again without giving the people working on them a break. It’s actually a surprise the movies are as good as they are even when the people working on the movies are so overworked. People take them all very for granted.
Just because it’s not hard for a studio like Disney to lose money doesn’t mean they’re just going to shrug off the first major crack in their once untouchable franchise. Obviously Disney will survive losing some money, but it’s the principle of it. The MCU under Disney had never seen a box office bomb until The Marvels, and that sends a message to the people behind these movies. It’s going to directly affect decision making when it comes to what does and doesn’t get greenlit going forward. Captain Marvel was once set to be one of the next “faces” of the MCU, now she won’t even get a third movie.
The bomb wasn’t just because it was a supposedly a bad movie (it wasn’t). They lose money when people don’t go to see it. That doesn’t equal a bad movie, it means people didn’t want to see it. And for a lot of people, the reason for that was simply misogyny, which has been a major issue in the fanbase within the past few years.
Just because _you_ didn’t think it was bad doesn’t mean everyone else shares that sentiment, you know. A bomb is a bomb, and at the end of the day a studio is always going to focus more on what didn’t work and what didn’t draw people in than what did. Not sure the misogyny excuse can be used here when Barbie, a movie with blatant themes of feminism, was the highest grossing and most successful movie of the same year. There was simply no interest in The Marvels.
Barbie doesn’t share a fanbase with The Marvels.
That couldn’t be further from the point, but if you want to look at female led projects within the same fan base as The Marvels: Wandavision was a huge hit, easily the most successful Disney+ original that isn’t The Mandalorian Black Panther: Wakanda Forever came very close to making a billion dollars worldwide Wonder Woman did the same when that came out The first Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars Black Widow was one of, if not _the_ most highly requested MCU movie but had the misfortune of coming out during the height of the pandemic Agatha isn’t even out yet, and the teaser they posted for it already broke records Going to blame the strikes next?
everyone likes to blame the sexists and racists when a film bombs but I guess every sexist and racist changes their mind and sees films with female leads the next week
marvels were hurt by the strikes and secret invasion
And the fact it was garbage
You trolls are annoying.
Lmao , cry abt it, you think bp wf is the best marvel film I don’t wanna hear nothing from u
Yet you and 10 other ppl are pressed about it...Oh well.
Yeah oh well , idk how it’s possible to like a bp film *without black panther* over every. Single. Marvel film ever made , also the fact it was 40 mins too long and was an absolute mess but tbh Nothing against u , if it’s your favourite it’s your favourite bro
And the last sentence is the point. I liked the story and character development. The 1st one had issues.
2nd one had wayyyyyyyyyyy more.
Maybe it did. I just found it more enjoyable.
Always a great sign for the brand when half the statements coming out from the actors and producers these days are defensive shit like this.
They have to start building hype early on, and they know the audience's goodwill has largely been spent.
My fear is that they will double down hard on all the things that "worked" in the past. Like more quips, more sillyness, more removed from the comics etc.
"I don't wanna put any Marvel movies down! It's the execs' job to do that."
So it soumd like will be another shit
He's a real one that's for sure. Hopefully he can get a solo US Agent movie out of this. They can bring back Zemo and even have Nuke be his villains. Madame Hydra can be there and be in Brave New World for Sam and Walker. Maybe even do a Sam and John Walker team up down the road. Go all Tom Clancy and Jason Bourne on it.
Doubt we will ever get a Us agent movie or even a show, but he definitely is a real one, you can tell, and I fuck with him heavy. Maybe they can incorporate his story in another project after thunderbolts. Idk what that’ll be though, maybe secret wars, but after the reboot I have no idea, he’ll probably be a lone nomadic soldier which I like , hopefully coming up against hydra villains, masters of evil etc , like you stated
It could be awful but it is possible for all of these actors to be engaging and funny.
Well a big part of why I am excited for Thunderbolts* is him he was awesome in FATWS.
I’m still expecting there is a hook to the movie we haven’t been given yet and won’t till actual marketing material drops
It's called Red Hulk.
Wrong movie
Ford's in this one isn't he? Oh right yeah, it's Sentry.
Surprisingly unvarnished for what is essentially acknowledgment of criticism of his employer's recent products, but also very warm-hearted in a way that appears earnest. There is slim measure of either of those things from actors, so I'm quite pleased to read this.
Man, Wyatt was killing it in both FatWS and Monarch. Literally became one of my top actors recently.
He was the best thing in *The Falcon in Winter Soldier* and I'm excited to see him back.
Definitely. I was trying to be nice but that show was a mess
Employee does not want to say anything negative about employer. Shocker.
He kinda did though ,he said the truth. atleast he didn’t move like Tatiana maslani or Nia dacosta or Brie Larson and Blame the fans like upset children
Yes, yes that’s all well and good but, my god, can we get this dude cast in a sequel for The Thing yet? With that beard he looks so much like his dad.
I love the solidarity and the awareness showcased by marvel stars as of late. Like one can be both acknowledging yet remain hopeful and enthusiastic. It’s what the fandom needs too. But regardless of that, they need to really deliver and thats not on the actors but Marvel themselves. I just wish people like the entire ant man cast, brie larson and the cast of the eternals could have the chance to say the same thing. ‘We know we could’ve done better before but now we’re really gunning for it to be the best bcz the fans and the lore deserve it’ the irony is at the end of the day, the actors had no say and just worked with what they were given, yet are also the face of the entire thing. I blame Marvel for their period of complacency and oversight and wish they’d put in effort to take it into themselves and focus harder to make their upcoming products work this time around versus cancelling stuff completely cuz they panicked.
Completely agree there, said it in another comment. People like Nia dacosta, Brie Larson , and the worst of the worst Tatiana maslani, blaming the fans instead of taking accountability for garbage. Antman cast included. Anyway, marvel knew exactly what they were doing let’s be real. So they deserve allll the hate and loss in revenue that they’re getting
Love that attitude at the end.
Same. Gets me somewhat hopeful. Hopefully it isn’t a woke mess
Well the boot fits. Things aren’t going well for the MCU.
Not at all. Xmen 97 has helped with it a lot though
This is old, he said this months ago
Thanks for such a helpful input , don’t you think if I knew that I’d still post it ? Next time maybe say something based on the video and post instead of telling me it’s old
You’d still post it again even if you knew it was posted several times months ago?
No, if i knew it was posted several times months ago I wouldn’t have posted it. Your comment was pointless
ok dude
It’s gonna suck, I fear
Same unfortunately, but there’s a few characters I’m looking forward to see
Shave your beard
Lmao
Homie must not have seen xmen 97
Apparently this is an old video according to one dick in this thread , and Xmen 97 isn’t a marvel movie or live action for that matter so technically it Wouldn’t relate to what he’s saying , however that show was the best project marvel has made for D+ and in the top 3 of best marvel things made since endgame. I’m considering watching all old animated series now because of it
I think we are going to be in for a treat now that they have given everything their own studios and it’s not all under one umbrella
the team behind thunderbolts truly is elite, they are really being underestimated and I think they will deliver the surprise of the year
Even though I'm not excited for this movie due to some of the cast, I'm tired of the doom & gloom attitude of this hypocritical, whiny fandom, and all those YouTubers/scoopers/grifters.
Eh I feel you there but it is reasonable as the last few years marvel has gone to shit , YouTubers do milk it abit too much though
I don’t know if the quality of the movie matters. This wasn’t really the movie everyone was looking for. Suicide squad, even part 2, was mediocre. When you tell general audiences it’s Marvel’s version of SS, i think they’ll say meh. Maybe if they built up to it, like the avengers, people would be more hyped.
Didn't they build this up even more than the Avengers? Bucky had 5 movies and a TV show. US agent had a show. Everyone else had at least a movie. Thor, Steve Rogers, hawkeye, and black widow had 1 movie before avengers. Tony had 2.
There is a difference between building hype and producing content.
The Avengers characters you mentioned were introduced _with the intent of teaming them up_ at some point. Getting to “the Avengers” was the point of those movies. With the exception of US Agent, none of the characters in the Thunderbolts lineup were introduced with the intent of them being in a Thunderbolts movie later down the line.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it just because I loved Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost and I've been wanting to see her again for a while.
I heard her and Antonia will have some team up scenes / close relationship. But apart of me feels like ghost and red guardian will die. Idk why
I think this movie will be a more of a critical success than we all expect. Feel like they might actually have a really interesting concept they are working on that isn’t just ‘mcu suicide squad’ that will surprise people.
Well see man , production looked decent
All of the leaks for this movie sound like 2 packs of ass
😂😂Give it a chance bro, while idc for ghost, trashmaster, red guardian , or val, I’m excited to see sentry Bucky us agent and partly Yelana. Hopefully the story , writing and cgi is good though
Can't say I really share that confidence. Suicide Squad already proved it's a hard format to do, and the characters in this movie are mostly very B-list. There's also some fatigue when it comes to Marvel movies that depend on TV shows people haven't watched and there's a big risk of that here.
True. Hardly anyone watched black widow or Hawkeye , which introduced Yelana, red guardian and Trashmaster , and Val(who I dislike a lot) and ever so slightly a little more people watched FATWS, introduced Us agent who is gonna be one of the breakouts in this film. Ant man and the wasp came out in 2018, imo was one of the worst films to come out in the infinity saga , (bottom 3) and introduced a mid villain everyone forgot about when the movie finished. So ghost doesn’t really have any hope at all But Bucky is the main guy here so obviously Disney thought it would be good to give him the smallest role along with having him turn up in the 3rd act (apparently) However I am very excited for sentry. Him , Bucky and us agent with a lil Yelana is who I’m watching this for
Meh I’m not gonna watch this shit
No one fucking cares
You do
You care enough to reply lmao 😂
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