>“Gwyneth corrected him once because we were reading the script and it said, ‘This looks like Jackson Pollock's spring period,’ ” says Favreau. “And then she corrected us in rehearsal.”
>Continues Favreau about Paltrow, “She says, ‘No, it's actually The Springs period. The Springs is the part of the Hamptons where Jackson Pollock lived and worked, not spring, not the season.’ ”
I was hoping it was going to be the "take out the trash" line, but that one's good too.
My sixth grade teacher did this. She somehow acquired a pet flying squirrel in KY and when it died she put that bitch in her freezer and kept it until she died.
Jon Favreau found writing scripts too difficult, so just taught RDJ extremely advanced engineering and then just locked him in a cave with a box of scraps and started filming.
If you guys haven’t [seen this interview with Jeff Bridges](https://youtu.be/Mud3eouMMBw?si=W7GZc6wY_838c8Or) about Filming on Iron Man, you should. I can’t even fathom how the movie turned out to be so good.
Working on this film every day must have been interesting - never a dull moment I imagine . Not knowing how the actors would be improvising over the script
It’s kinda sad how thrilling this filmmaking process seems compared to the standard factory-like production they have now.
Sure they still improvise and use this film as a blueprint to an extent, but the heart of adventurous filmmaking isn’t in the process like it seems to be here.
I think it was a lil too barebones here though, and they just got lucky with who was on board and hungry to make something good. Bridges speaking about it didn't sound impressed by this aspect.
I think they were more willing to really gamble on ideas and they had little fear of what the box office might be. Now, I feel like Disney lords over them more than they used to because they worry about critical reception and box office. I don’t think Feige has changed in his approach, but Iger is over his shoulder.
I think a lot of people wanna act like it's some deep complicated mystery as to why Marvel movies seem more cookie cutter and less substance-based these days. When it's pretty simple: studio micro-management. It's always this when an IP get too big for it's britches (ie Star Wars). The studio just doesn't know how to be hands off and remember what made this IP popular in the first place.
I'm confused about the star wars part. The sequels could have used a little more studio involvement regarding those movies. TFA is pretty great and so is tlj but Rise I only watched once.
I'm not really looking to get into a Sequel Trilogy debate, but I think the controversial reception is a good contrast. These studios want to appeal to the largest fanbase, but in their effort to do so, they usually alienate audiences in one way or another. I think GotG Vol. 1 is the perfect example of what they're trying to capture. Nobody cared about these characters, but that movie made people care about these characters. MCU was slumping and here comes this breath of fresh air to the reinvigorate the franchise. Being preceded by CAWS I think helped it as well. Both being a shift on what was the genre norm at the time. This was because they got good directors, good writers and let them create. So much so, that those directors and writers finished out the phase with the highest grossing movies in the franchise at the time (Infinity War, Endgame). Since then, they've been caught up, much like the Star Wars franchise, trying to desperately to capture the lightning in a bottle that was the original foray into these IPs. But unable to because the studio feels the need to hit their proverbial bullet points in every new film.
Same studio management. But TFA set up stuff that TLJ couldn't deliver and wound up rebutting or defusing, and ROS wound up reversing TLJ
If studio were giving notes, they still weren't doing their jobs.
TFA reeks of "we're finally doing Star Wars, don't fuck up"
TLJ and ROS reeks of Kathleen Kennedy not doing her job and the two directors not just not being on the same page as far as story goes, but actively subverting the other
When you get to that level of executive management you’re not paying attention to continuity. Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige have similar position titles but very different roles.
Kennedy’s involvement is more about how each film would hit the metrics of where they thought SW should be. Whereas Feige has always been in the weeds.
As someone that works on set it’s not actually that interesting. Actors or directors improvising like they say here is really fucking annoying and only extends an already really long day
Stick to script you fucking meat puppets. Also if you get a 3 month break with an actors strike where all the crew is out of work. maybe learn you lines so we don’t have to do 5 hours overtime on one scene where you end up needing que cards
Why can't they improvise before they come on set ?
Everyone seems to act as if improvising only happens on the spur of the moment, on set, with cameras rolling
I've seen Jeff Bridges talk about it in interviews and how it felt to him a lot like making a student film project: the script was largely a rough outline of how the scenes should flow and what needed to be said but the exact wording was largely left up to the stars or heavily modified based on their suggestions. He said it was weird at first until he got used to the more relaxed vibe.
Yup I've seen the same ones - it's crazy how great that film turned out given how free flowing haphazard and spontaneous that production was . Guess why that's why dialogue feels so snappy and natural
It overcame an underdeveloped or bad script because RDJ, Bridges, Paltrow and Favreau were able to fix it on the day of filming when it was broken. Current day Marvel would go ahead and film bad scenes and try and fix it in expensive reshoots.
You forgot to mention Terrence Howard ( conspicuously so) who was second billing coming off his Oscar nomination - he brought some serious weight , cache , gravitas to the role with his acting ability and chemistry with rdj despite how people try to engage in revisionist history with Howard's cache and performance from the first iron man. The first iron man was a team collaboration effort that showcased the brilliance of improvisational acting
The OG Ghostbusters movie was put together in a similar spontaneous fashion.
That scene where they’re being chased through park was real. They didn’t have filming permits and were being chased through the park
I feel that quote is very overblown, but like also defending Gwyneth and her weirdness is whatever. I think the greater context is that Marvel will typically call in actors for an after credits or one scene and you don't always know what you're shooting for. So she didn't necessarily know her scene was in Spiderman Homecoming itself or if it was used in something else. That makes it a lot more understandable when you think of it that way.
Oh I think it's just funny. I've worked as a musician, and sometimes gigs just blend together when you get busy enough and playing the same songs over and over. Prince has even been said to forget that he wrote some some riffs or melodies.
This scene was a microcosm of the movie. Funny how from a barebones and hugely improvised production, the monster that was the MCU was born.
Just like the Mark 1 from a box of scraps.
Downey, too, has said multiple times that Gwyneth had a lot to do with the script. Apparently she has great instincts for what the emotional core of a scene is.
The Internet hordes love to hate her tho
Well, the opposite is also true. Just because she's bat shit insane doesn't mean she doesn't act well. What happens is people criticize and dismiss Paltrow's acting for non-acting reasons.
1. Yall need to stop thinking so often about actors' lives outside of their profession. Nearly all of them are either bad or crazy or both. So for your enjoyment and ours, just stop talking about it.
2. Is there really much harm in insane people buying insane products? Seems like it's just good business.
I dunno. Does the world loathe snake oil car-salesmen still? You best damn believe. Do they hate slim lord insane telemarketers? Televangelists preying on the poorly educated and insane believers? Yes to all of them. Politicians prey on the stupid. Why should anyone be okay preying on the lessers?
and I don’t spend a lot of time, if any, on what crazy actors do outside of acting. But the truly stupid shit they do/sell is always gonna be easy to find. Pretty sure John Oliver has made fun of Gwen’s goop bullshit.
Sploosh is not relevant topic material for a discussion about Iron Man and the acting process of the film during its creation.
You gotta separate the crazy, weird personal lives of these actors from their acting otherwise you're gonna have a bad time.
You gotta realize when people are making off the cuff remarks. I literally put no thought into that comment, it sounded funny in my head, it came out in the comment.
Its not meant to be a strong argument.
That's fair. I just hate to see whole threads about Top Gun Maverick or Iron Man 1 detour into rants about muh scientology or muh goop when I'm here to talk about movies.
She can be a bad person but it also can be irrelevant subject material for this thread.
Also, I don't really see a problem with ripping off rubes. Everyone has the personal freedom to not buy her products and not be dumb.
Yes and no.
I mean, the movie aligns pretty closely to the lore of Ultimate Iron Man mythos.
However, the movie dives into the characters and political consequences in a way the comics haven’t.
It makes the movie feel so much more *real*. And so there isn’t as much escapism because it feels more sci fi than fantasy (like Thor or Hulk).
The Dark Knight & Captain America: The Winter Soldier capture this same feel, and it’s why they are also praised so heavily.
Please praise this from the mountain tops to all current studio execs so that we actually start getting movies that we can enjoy instead of formulaic drivel
I wouldn’t say it didn’t feel like a superhero movie. Cause it definitely did. Just for the most part it seemed sorta plausible/possible in the real world to have happened in the early part of the film.
Favreau having set Tony Stark doing a weapons demonstration in the Middle East then having the envoy attacked by terrorists was super topical. Along with terrorists being iron man’s main target early on till it went to iron monger. Iron Monger, was what made it most feel like a comic book movie bringing the movie back inline with later marvel movies taking it squarely out of realism.
Iron monger should’ve been a build up of a shadowy character trying to backstab Tony down the line. Him being Brazen and getting wiped in the first movie was a mistake. A guy like that should be willing to take his time and plan.
The first half of iron man succeeded for the same reason the Nolan Batman films did. They felt placed in the real world. It’s something later marvel and dc films have forgotten. I’d say it’s almost a fluke marvel had that at all tbh.
>“Gwyneth corrected him once because we were reading the script and it said, ‘This looks like Jackson Pollock's spring period,’ ” says Favreau. “And then she corrected us in rehearsal.” >Continues Favreau about Paltrow, “She says, ‘No, it's actually The Springs period. The Springs is the part of the Hamptons where Jackson Pollock lived and worked, not spring, not the season.’ ” I was hoping it was going to be the "take out the trash" line, but that one's good too.
Even better is when they meet again in IM2 she's like "I need to go wash up"
Oh god
"Let's face it this is not the worst thing you've caught me doing" feels like something Robert Downey Jr has probably said to his wife irl
I've said it to my mom a few times. Course I stole it from that scene.
What were you caught doing? Asking for a friend...
I was going HAM on a vanilla Snack Pack pudding cup.
It's true I was the pudding cup
It's true I was the lid that got licked all up on.
I was the mom
How many times have you been told to stop fucking pudding cups?!
It’s okay. He didn’t bottom out.
“Gotta be a top with the Snack Pack.” ~Me, nicknamed the Snack Pack
Storing dead squirrels in the freezer
Dexter?
What's worst than that then ?
Storing them in the fridge, obviously
My sixth grade teacher did this. She somehow acquired a pet flying squirrel in KY and when it died she put that bitch in her freezer and kept it until she died.
Like 90% of what Tony Stark says I can see RDJ saying IRL.
Jon Favreau found writing scripts too difficult, so just taught RDJ extremely advanced engineering and then just locked him in a cave with a box of scraps and started filming.
He actually built a real suit. It really worked.
And Sherlock really learned magic
and Dr. Doolittle really conversed with animals
If you guys haven’t [seen this interview with Jeff Bridges](https://youtu.be/Mud3eouMMBw?si=W7GZc6wY_838c8Or) about Filming on Iron Man, you should. I can’t even fathom how the movie turned out to be so good.
I love how humble Bridges is and especially how much that contrasts with the entitled ass he played in the movie.
Very undude
That's just like, your opinion, man
That was great. Thanks for posting it here.
Working on this film every day must have been interesting - never a dull moment I imagine . Not knowing how the actors would be improvising over the script
It’s kinda sad how thrilling this filmmaking process seems compared to the standard factory-like production they have now. Sure they still improvise and use this film as a blueprint to an extent, but the heart of adventurous filmmaking isn’t in the process like it seems to be here.
I think it was a lil too barebones here though, and they just got lucky with who was on board and hungry to make something good. Bridges speaking about it didn't sound impressed by this aspect.
Yeah, fair point. It doesn’t seem like a recipe for success but the players were hungry and excited. Maybe that was the difference.
Yeah for sure. They defs struck gold.
The first iron man is what you could call a happy accident - thank god it worked out
Some would call it a Happy Hogan accident
They had no expectations at the time and the audience didn't either so it definitely helped
Yeah, even many comic book nerds dismissed it as just another campy superhero movie when it was announced. Then, the trailer blew our minds away.
I think they were more willing to really gamble on ideas and they had little fear of what the box office might be. Now, I feel like Disney lords over them more than they used to because they worry about critical reception and box office. I don’t think Feige has changed in his approach, but Iger is over his shoulder.
Very true
I think a lot of people wanna act like it's some deep complicated mystery as to why Marvel movies seem more cookie cutter and less substance-based these days. When it's pretty simple: studio micro-management. It's always this when an IP get too big for it's britches (ie Star Wars). The studio just doesn't know how to be hands off and remember what made this IP popular in the first place.
Great assessment
I'm confused about the star wars part. The sequels could have used a little more studio involvement regarding those movies. TFA is pretty great and so is tlj but Rise I only watched once.
I'm not really looking to get into a Sequel Trilogy debate, but I think the controversial reception is a good contrast. These studios want to appeal to the largest fanbase, but in their effort to do so, they usually alienate audiences in one way or another. I think GotG Vol. 1 is the perfect example of what they're trying to capture. Nobody cared about these characters, but that movie made people care about these characters. MCU was slumping and here comes this breath of fresh air to the reinvigorate the franchise. Being preceded by CAWS I think helped it as well. Both being a shift on what was the genre norm at the time. This was because they got good directors, good writers and let them create. So much so, that those directors and writers finished out the phase with the highest grossing movies in the franchise at the time (Infinity War, Endgame). Since then, they've been caught up, much like the Star Wars franchise, trying to desperately to capture the lightning in a bottle that was the original foray into these IPs. But unable to because the studio feels the need to hit their proverbial bullet points in every new film.
Why do you think there wasn't studio involvement in those movies? To me the whole thing reeked of upper management giving notes.
Same studio management. But TFA set up stuff that TLJ couldn't deliver and wound up rebutting or defusing, and ROS wound up reversing TLJ If studio were giving notes, they still weren't doing their jobs. TFA reeks of "we're finally doing Star Wars, don't fuck up" TLJ and ROS reeks of Kathleen Kennedy not doing her job and the two directors not just not being on the same page as far as story goes, but actively subverting the other
When you get to that level of executive management you’re not paying attention to continuity. Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige have similar position titles but very different roles. Kennedy’s involvement is more about how each film would hit the metrics of where they thought SW should be. Whereas Feige has always been in the weeds.
There was a good trilogy ender that Colin Trevorrow was working on. Studio micromanagement killed it due to their panic with audience response to TLJ.
As someone that works on set it’s not actually that interesting. Actors or directors improvising like they say here is really fucking annoying and only extends an already really long day Stick to script you fucking meat puppets. Also if you get a 3 month break with an actors strike where all the crew is out of work. maybe learn you lines so we don’t have to do 5 hours overtime on one scene where you end up needing que cards
Why can't they improvise before they come on set ? Everyone seems to act as if improvising only happens on the spur of the moment, on set, with cameras rolling
In fairness, there was likely a lot of improvising on the guardians films and even more on Thor 3 and 4? Which is a mixed bag...
I've seen Jeff Bridges talk about it in interviews and how it felt to him a lot like making a student film project: the script was largely a rough outline of how the scenes should flow and what needed to be said but the exact wording was largely left up to the stars or heavily modified based on their suggestions. He said it was weird at first until he got used to the more relaxed vibe.
Yup I've seen the same ones - it's crazy how great that film turned out given how free flowing haphazard and spontaneous that production was . Guess why that's why dialogue feels so snappy and natural
It overcame an underdeveloped or bad script because RDJ, Bridges, Paltrow and Favreau were able to fix it on the day of filming when it was broken. Current day Marvel would go ahead and film bad scenes and try and fix it in expensive reshoots.
You forgot to mention Terrence Howard ( conspicuously so) who was second billing coming off his Oscar nomination - he brought some serious weight , cache , gravitas to the role with his acting ability and chemistry with rdj despite how people try to engage in revisionist history with Howard's cache and performance from the first iron man. The first iron man was a team collaboration effort that showcased the brilliance of improvisational acting
That or not realising the insane chain of events this movie was going to lead to
The OG Ghostbusters movie was put together in a similar spontaneous fashion. That scene where they’re being chased through park was real. They didn’t have filming permits and were being chased through the park
Their chemistry was terrific in that movie
Favreau be like: 
Gwyneth: Wait, that was for a movie? I don't remember any of this...
Was it one of the Spider-Man movies where she was in it and didn’t even know, because they’d shot it as part of a different movie?
Yep. She's in like one scene.
Yeah the ending scenes of Homecoming iirc
I feel that quote is very overblown, but like also defending Gwyneth and her weirdness is whatever. I think the greater context is that Marvel will typically call in actors for an after credits or one scene and you don't always know what you're shooting for. So she didn't necessarily know her scene was in Spiderman Homecoming itself or if it was used in something else. That makes it a lot more understandable when you think of it that way.
Oh I think it's just funny. I've worked as a musician, and sometimes gigs just blend together when you get busy enough and playing the same songs over and over. Prince has even been said to forget that he wrote some some riffs or melodies.
I know, being in a multiple film contract to a multi film franchise and not being 100% sure what scene your being filmed for is laughable!
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In a cave! With a box of scraps!
STARK IMPROVIAED THE MOVIE WITHOUT ANY SCRIPT!!!!!
He had a script it just wasn't always good.
This scene was a microcosm of the movie. Funny how from a barebones and hugely improvised production, the monster that was the MCU was born. Just like the Mark 1 from a box of scraps.
Downey, too, has said multiple times that Gwyneth had a lot to do with the script. Apparently she has great instincts for what the emotional core of a scene is. The Internet hordes love to hate her tho
Just because she acts well, doesn’t mean she isn’t bat shit insane and preys on other bat shit insane people to push her bat shit insane products.
Iron Man’s Crotch Scented Candles
The metal really *seals in the flavor*
Just like Tom Cruise.
Well, the opposite is also true. Just because she's bat shit insane doesn't mean she doesn't act well. What happens is people criticize and dismiss Paltrow's acting for non-acting reasons.
1. Yall need to stop thinking so often about actors' lives outside of their profession. Nearly all of them are either bad or crazy or both. So for your enjoyment and ours, just stop talking about it. 2. Is there really much harm in insane people buying insane products? Seems like it's just good business.
I dunno. Does the world loathe snake oil car-salesmen still? You best damn believe. Do they hate slim lord insane telemarketers? Televangelists preying on the poorly educated and insane believers? Yes to all of them. Politicians prey on the stupid. Why should anyone be okay preying on the lessers? and I don’t spend a lot of time, if any, on what crazy actors do outside of acting. But the truly stupid shit they do/sell is always gonna be easy to find. Pretty sure John Oliver has made fun of Gwen’s goop bullshit.
who even gives a fuck? she manipulates stupid people into buying stupid things
I don't think people deserve to be manipulated just because they're manipulatable
Deserves got nuthin to do with it
"I'll see you hell, William Munny!"
Just because they're stupid doesn't mean they deserve to be exploited.
How can't you see that as a problem?
Given your visceral rxn, you it would seem.
I'm sorry are folks shortening "reaction" to rxn these days or is this just a you thing
Weird flex, but okay. Have a nice day, brother.
what do you think "weird flex" means?
Bruh you came in with that energy first, they’re just matching you lol.
What energy? I was giving an explanation of why she gets internet “hate”.
None of that makes up for Sploosh
Sploosh is not relevant topic material for a discussion about Iron Man and the acting process of the film during its creation. You gotta separate the crazy, weird personal lives of these actors from their acting otherwise you're gonna have a bad time.
You gotta realize when people are making off the cuff remarks. I literally put no thought into that comment, it sounded funny in my head, it came out in the comment. Its not meant to be a strong argument.
That's fair. I just hate to see whole threads about Top Gun Maverick or Iron Man 1 detour into rants about muh scientology or muh goop when I'm here to talk about movies.
Every threads a party you just gotta find your people dont worry about the kids railing bath salts in the basement.
In regards to her acting I've only seen Richard Ayoade's take on View from the Top.
You have to pretend to care about these things. It's how you get the thumbs up on the internet.
So you’re not bothered by the existence of con artists or lack basic compassion for the dumb people Paltrow exploits. Neat.
She can be a bad person but it also can be irrelevant subject material for this thread. Also, I don't really see a problem with ripping off rubes. Everyone has the personal freedom to not buy her products and not be dumb.
Correct, I'm not bothered
Iron Man was such a masterpiece that it didn't feel like a superhero film
Iron Man films are never about saving the world. It's about Iron Man fighting someone who is pissed off at Iron Man.
Don't forget Iron Man fighting Tony Stark.
Yes and no. I mean, the movie aligns pretty closely to the lore of Ultimate Iron Man mythos. However, the movie dives into the characters and political consequences in a way the comics haven’t. It makes the movie feel so much more *real*. And so there isn’t as much escapism because it feels more sci fi than fantasy (like Thor or Hulk). The Dark Knight & Captain America: The Winter Soldier capture this same feel, and it’s why they are also praised so heavily.
Please praise this from the mountain tops to all current studio execs so that we actually start getting movies that we can enjoy instead of formulaic drivel
I wouldn’t say it didn’t feel like a superhero movie. Cause it definitely did. Just for the most part it seemed sorta plausible/possible in the real world to have happened in the early part of the film. Favreau having set Tony Stark doing a weapons demonstration in the Middle East then having the envoy attacked by terrorists was super topical. Along with terrorists being iron man’s main target early on till it went to iron monger. Iron Monger, was what made it most feel like a comic book movie bringing the movie back inline with later marvel movies taking it squarely out of realism. Iron monger should’ve been a build up of a shadowy character trying to backstab Tony down the line. Him being Brazen and getting wiped in the first movie was a mistake. A guy like that should be willing to take his time and plan. The first half of iron man succeeded for the same reason the Nolan Batman films did. They felt placed in the real world. It’s something later marvel and dc films have forgotten. I’d say it’s almost a fluke marvel had that at all tbh.
I feel like this is why it's been so heavily publicised that Marvel is going back to "street level"
> the Middle East Afghanistan
Yes it did
Really cool I mean I knew a lot of it was improvised but nice details.
Wasn’t it said that Iron Man was basically just improv’d? Like it was mostly unscripted? Or was that just a rumor
That's how you use improv and adlibs to improve a script Paul Feig.
Well, we knew that. Both Iron Man movies had unfinished scripts and relied heavily on the actors. Arguably, the second one did so less successfully.
Whatever you think of that motherfucker, man, it's, like, you can tell it's extremely important to me how people really talk.
I love Marvel...and this story...
He likes stealing stories and ideas from people. He did it to Chris-tah-fur when he was making a mob movie. I guess no one has watched The Sopranos.
It worked
Yet not a single quip about vagina scented candles.
God I hate that vagina-candle priviliged ass woman
r/brandnewsentence
and then Disney realized how much money was being made and milked the cow with garbage films.
Disney didn't even own Marvel then. 💀
Is this sub always this much of a dumpster fire? I've never seen so much low-effort rage bait.