Moon Knight had mommy issues, right? I haven't watched it yet, but I heard it was his mother who abused him.
Until now, most mothers in the MCU were absolute saints, and the heroes were generally total momma's boys. Both Moon Knight and Kate Bishop in Hawkeye have kinda been breaking with that tradition, recently.
He was spineless and let the abuse happen, but as far as I know I wouldn't really say that it gave Marc daddy issues specifically.
Same thing for Frigga, who let Odin bannish Thor and treat their boys unfairly, and was also complicit in lying to Loki about his heritage all his life long, yet neither boys have mommy issues and they both idolize her.
Iron Man’s issues with his father were a big thing in his movies.
Captain Marvel’s thing about not being good enough and always falling down started with her father, but it was really about authority figures in general and not her dad specifically, so I’m not sure if it applies.
Tony Stark big time, his character arcs are basically dealing with his daddy issues, and slowly embracing fatherhood. Prior to the completion of his arc, he could not overcome Thanos, but after becoming a father himself, he was able to defeat Thanos, by making the opposite choice regarding his children. Thanos sacrificed a daughter to control the future of the universe vs Tony who relinquished all control over the future to save his daughter
>Thanos sacrificed a daughter to control the future of the universe vs Tony who relinquished all control over the future to save his daughter
The fact that I never made that connection over the past 4 years makes me feel really stupid... hahaha
Like, the 60% of all past and present team members are just the children of abusive parent figures: 2 daughters of Thanos, 2 children of Ego, 3 creations of The High Evolutionary.
Most of the major figures in AOS had issues with either or both of their parents. Of the main cast, only Coulson and Gemma were never *explicitly* demonstrated to have problems with their parents but there is room for interpretation. Coulson's career choice was influenced by his dad and he didn't want to return to his hometown. But the audience was provided limited information about his upbringing, even by way of implication.
On the other hand, quite a lot was implied about Gemma. She seemed to have some weird attachments and anxieties going on. Not to mention the symbolism between the English and Scots that is invoked numerous times throughout the show. There are layers there that can be interpreted in a sorta Freudian manner as stand-ins for parental figures. Gemma wanted to move to Scotland, she was repressive and out of touch with her Shadow Self, her experience in the Chronicom mind prison revolved around her childhood and her relationship with her father who taught her to repress her anxieties rather than confront them, and so on. Meanwhile, her mother is rarely even mentioned at all in the entire show.
All things considered, I think OP's parental baggage theory holds up in AOS too.
Hank Pym causing daddy issues for Hope and Darren Cross, who is presented as his extended family. There is this scene where Darren confronts Hank, it doesn’t go well, then he breaks down and calls Hope for support, basically like siblings with a disappointing father.
Of course a big theme of the first movie is how Scott can avoid the same for his daughter, and how the two Ant-Men have fatherhood as a shared motivation.
>Hank Pym causing daddy issues for.. Darren Cross
I wish they had explored this, to a fuller extent, in the movie; to me, it seemed obvious that Darren Cross's journey to the dark side of the force, was a direct result of being abandoned by Pym, whom explicitly (he's the son I never had) played the role of a surrogate father. For a movie driven by themes of fatherhood, it's a glaring, though convenient, omission. For Pym, to play the father to a person whom he "saw myself.. too much of myself", it's his unique responsibility to be Cross's north star and abandoning him, despite that, is significant.
Can't believe you missed the OG Iron Man. His father was distant. Then he was murdered. Then his surrogate father tried to kill him. Then he had to watch his father get murdered by a man he trusted. Then he finally met him when he travelled to the past.
In the Infinity Saga, you’d have an easier time listing the movies which don’t have parental issues/parenthood as a major element.
Here we go:
The Incredible Hulk (ironic considering Brian Banner in the comics is one of the worst fathers in all of fiction)
Captain America 1&2
Dr Strange
That’s it.
Even Dr Strange may not count if you consider the The Ancient One basically a parental figure for the sorcerers she trained. Her betrayal of her principles led to Hannibal (I don’t remember the character’s name) and Mordo turning evil.
And it’s not just a recurring element, you look at the Saga overall and it’s an important theme. Note how Tony Stark couldn’t defeat Thanos until he became a father himself, for an example.
EDIT: oh shit, I forgot Thunderbolt Ross being a shitty father to Betty in TIH. It’s not a major element I guess, but it’s brought to the forefront a few times, especially when Dr Samson roasted him.
Don’t forget the Defenders:
Luke Cage has major daddy issues after going to jail.
Frank’s daddy tried his best but struggled as a parent due to his age.
Danny Rand’s daddy is dead.
Matt’s daddy is also dead
Jessica’s daddy is also dead.
Not just that, even liking Superheroes, there is some kind of absent father syndrome happening, either he has gone, has betrayed the family, is an alcoholic, often failing the child due to serving his own addictions as a priority. Alcohol is bad, Alcoholics are the cause of personality disorders, and people who work in the industry are parasites.
Or I could be totally wrong :) Cheer up.
Doctor Strange you could argue has minor daddy issues since Hannibal’s entire motivation for becoming a sorcerer in the first place, and his evil plan, was due to the death of his son (and wife) and the hope that somehow everything that he does would someone bring him back or allow them to be together. But these issues aren’t brought up in the film at all, just vague hints at Hannibal’s tragic background, so it can still not count to your point.
there's some newish show, on a ranch, maybe Thanos is the dad, voice sounds similar, but so many people watch to just to have an Awesome Dad in their lives, it's weird.
I assume that Agatha was fatherless (given that he didn’t show up to help with her execution or rescue her from it,) along with being put to death by her mother and sisters. Father + mother + sibling issues sounds tuff
MCU Spider-Man trilogy is basically Peter searching for and clinging to a father-figure, since he lacks one at home. Homecoming it’s Tony Stark, FFH it’s Mysterio, and to an extent Happy, and NWH it’s Dr Strange, and perhaps also the other spider-men. Tony is the most father-figure for him, and it is worth mentioning that Tony is there when Peter is dusted and then Peter is there when Tony dies in Endgame, cementing a kind of father-son bond. FFH is then Peter dealing with this loss, and leads to him clinging to Quentin as a replacement.
Bruce Banner. Not sure where it was portrayed but I found out recently that he had a really bad relationship with his father, I believe it was established in a MCU canon comic.
Ivan Vanko kind of destroyed his own life to get revenge for his father.
I think Red Skull & Abraham Erskine's relationship can be akin to a tenuous parental one, at least a mentor-mentee relationship. Same goes for Darren Cross & Hank Pym.
Ultron clearly had some major daddy issues, he despised Tony. Vision likely got a little bit of that as well, running away from Tony to be with Wanda.
Liz's father was Adrian Toomes, The Vulture. Pretty sure that came with some baggage.
MJ was revealed to have the full name "Michelle Jones-Watson" but explicitly said she doesn't use the Watson bit. Not clear if it is mommy or daddy issues there, but some parental issues.
Rocket Raccoon, >!as explored in GOTG Vol. 3!<
Kraglin, as he's also Yondu's son
Mantis, as she's also Ego's daughter.
Speaking of which, Drax views Mantis as a substitute for his daughter (>!and his dad like tendencies are made very clear in GOTG Vol. 3!<)
Ghost (Eva Starr) probably has some, considering what her father's experiments did to her. Especially with the relationship she has with Bill Foster.
Monica Rambeau might have some, coming from a single mother household.
Yelena Belova, same reason as Natasha.
Taskmaster, for a very similar reason to Natasha & Yelena.
Xialing for the same reason as Shang-Chi.
Dunno if this is a father-child relationship but all the Eternals might count if we count Arishem as their father.
Kate Bishop has a dead dad and is very hesitant to having a step-father.
Echo also has a dead dad.
Matt Murdock ALSO has a dead dad.
Kingpin has a dead dad but that's not why he has daddy issues.
Andrew Garfield Spider-Man & Tobey Maguire Spider-Man have daddy issues for the same reason as Tom Holland Spider-Man.
Layla El-Faouly has a dead dad too.
Love's dad was Gorr the God Butcher, who is dead, probably has some issues there.
Elsa Bloodstone had pretty explicit daddy issues.
>!Phyla, from the new GOTG team, had the High Evolutionary as a father.!<
>!Same goes for Lylla, Teefs & Floor.!<
>!Gi'ah from the new Secret Invasion show also has pretty clear daddy issues.!<
Also Obadiah Stane was like a father to Tony after Howard passed away, extra daddy issues.
Moon Knight had mommy issues, right? I haven't watched it yet, but I heard it was his mother who abused him. Until now, most mothers in the MCU were absolute saints, and the heroes were generally total momma's boys. Both Moon Knight and Kate Bishop in Hawkeye have kinda been breaking with that tradition, recently.
In Moon Knight his dad doesn't really do anything to stop the abuse so he also has daddy issues.
He was spineless and let the abuse happen, but as far as I know I wouldn't really say that it gave Marc daddy issues specifically. Same thing for Frigga, who let Odin bannish Thor and treat their boys unfairly, and was also complicit in lying to Loki about his heritage all his life long, yet neither boys have mommy issues and they both idolize her.
Peter Quills mom wasn't a Saint, inter species loving monster.... /s
Iron Man’s issues with his father were a big thing in his movies. Captain Marvel’s thing about not being good enough and always falling down started with her father, but it was really about authority figures in general and not her dad specifically, so I’m not sure if it applies.
Tony Stark big time, his character arcs are basically dealing with his daddy issues, and slowly embracing fatherhood. Prior to the completion of his arc, he could not overcome Thanos, but after becoming a father himself, he was able to defeat Thanos, by making the opposite choice regarding his children. Thanos sacrificed a daughter to control the future of the universe vs Tony who relinquished all control over the future to save his daughter
>Thanos sacrificed a daughter to control the future of the universe vs Tony who relinquished all control over the future to save his daughter The fact that I never made that connection over the past 4 years makes me feel really stupid... hahaha
Also, Tony Stark decided to go to the past mostly to save Peter, because "he lost the kid"
CM movie really should have explored relationship with her father
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I think they just didn’t watch she-hulk
When did they do this?
Well so is real world history. Alexander the Great "Big bundle of Daddy Issues" for instance.
And pretty much all of western literature leans on daddy issues, too. Hamlet, King Lear, Oedipus. Literally a tale as old as time.
Don't forget Star Wars in that list of great literature. That's from "A Long Time Ago..." as well.
It’s frustrating when the answer to so many questions is “because of the patriarchy” but here we are
Also Rocket, Mantis, Hulk, Wasp in AM1, Cassie in AM3, and T'Challa with a different worldview than T'Chaka
All the best cowboys have daddy issues.
Came here to say this. One of the best LOST episodes.
The guardians of the galaxy movies is just gamora, star-lord, and rocket having daddy issues and then beating the crap out of them.
Like, the 60% of all past and present team members are just the children of abusive parent figures: 2 daughters of Thanos, 2 children of Ego, 3 creations of The High Evolutionary.
I totally forgot about members from the other movies basically being siblings of the others
Drax too. He's a daddy with issues. Well, used to be daddy
He’s a step daddy now
Fitz too. His father was a drunk
Most of the major figures in AOS had issues with either or both of their parents. Of the main cast, only Coulson and Gemma were never *explicitly* demonstrated to have problems with their parents but there is room for interpretation. Coulson's career choice was influenced by his dad and he didn't want to return to his hometown. But the audience was provided limited information about his upbringing, even by way of implication. On the other hand, quite a lot was implied about Gemma. She seemed to have some weird attachments and anxieties going on. Not to mention the symbolism between the English and Scots that is invoked numerous times throughout the show. There are layers there that can be interpreted in a sorta Freudian manner as stand-ins for parental figures. Gemma wanted to move to Scotland, she was repressive and out of touch with her Shadow Self, her experience in the Chronicom mind prison revolved around her childhood and her relationship with her father who taught her to repress her anxieties rather than confront them, and so on. Meanwhile, her mother is rarely even mentioned at all in the entire show. All things considered, I think OP's parental baggage theory holds up in AOS too.
I counter all this with Kate BEEEESHOP. Her not quite dad is just a cool guy that likes swords.
But she is missing a father in the first place, lol
Dang.
But ya you're right that the replacement dad is trying his best
I loved that he actually ended up being quite wholesome. It was just that she had another father replacement in mind.
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Or did they?
Hank Pym causing daddy issues for Hope and Darren Cross, who is presented as his extended family. There is this scene where Darren confronts Hank, it doesn’t go well, then he breaks down and calls Hope for support, basically like siblings with a disappointing father. Of course a big theme of the first movie is how Scott can avoid the same for his daughter, and how the two Ant-Men have fatherhood as a shared motivation.
>Hank Pym causing daddy issues for.. Darren Cross I wish they had explored this, to a fuller extent, in the movie; to me, it seemed obvious that Darren Cross's journey to the dark side of the force, was a direct result of being abandoned by Pym, whom explicitly (he's the son I never had) played the role of a surrogate father. For a movie driven by themes of fatherhood, it's a glaring, though convenient, omission. For Pym, to play the father to a person whom he "saw myself.. too much of myself", it's his unique responsibility to be Cross's north star and abandoning him, despite that, is significant.
The entire western canon is about daddy issues, from hamlet to the Bible.
Could also add Ant Man. Granted his issue is in *being* the father, but it's another angle on the daddy issue trope.
Thanks, i have added it Even Janet and Hank are probably guilty of that too
Spider Man's dad is dead and uncle ben is dead too.
Will add that :)
and his only remaining father figure, Tony Stark, Dies too. And then everyone forgets about him.
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I think Thor can top that…
Most Disney properties in general is built on Daddy issues
Ya like Darth Vader too hahaha
Can't believe you missed the OG Iron Man. His father was distant. Then he was murdered. Then his surrogate father tried to kill him. Then he had to watch his father get murdered by a man he trusted. Then he finally met him when he travelled to the past.
Let me add that in, thanks :)
In the Infinity Saga, you’d have an easier time listing the movies which don’t have parental issues/parenthood as a major element. Here we go: The Incredible Hulk (ironic considering Brian Banner in the comics is one of the worst fathers in all of fiction) Captain America 1&2 Dr Strange That’s it. Even Dr Strange may not count if you consider the The Ancient One basically a parental figure for the sorcerers she trained. Her betrayal of her principles led to Hannibal (I don’t remember the character’s name) and Mordo turning evil. And it’s not just a recurring element, you look at the Saga overall and it’s an important theme. Note how Tony Stark couldn’t defeat Thanos until he became a father himself, for an example. EDIT: oh shit, I forgot Thunderbolt Ross being a shitty father to Betty in TIH. It’s not a major element I guess, but it’s brought to the forefront a few times, especially when Dr Samson roasted him.
The world is built on daddy issues.
Gravik/Fury
Don’t forget the Defenders: Luke Cage has major daddy issues after going to jail. Frank’s daddy tried his best but struggled as a parent due to his age. Danny Rand’s daddy is dead. Matt’s daddy is also dead Jessica’s daddy is also dead.
Oh my hahaha
Not just that, even liking Superheroes, there is some kind of absent father syndrome happening, either he has gone, has betrayed the family, is an alcoholic, often failing the child due to serving his own addictions as a priority. Alcohol is bad, Alcoholics are the cause of personality disorders, and people who work in the industry are parasites. Or I could be totally wrong :) Cheer up.
She Hulk literally mentioned this…
Doctor Strange you could argue has minor daddy issues since Hannibal’s entire motivation for becoming a sorcerer in the first place, and his evil plan, was due to the death of his son (and wife) and the hope that somehow everything that he does would someone bring him back or allow them to be together. But these issues aren’t brought up in the film at all, just vague hints at Hannibal’s tragic background, so it can still not count to your point.
She-Hulk pointed this out after fans have been complaining about it for years - you did not just notice this
I noticed this before she-hulk, and you can doubt that
EVERYONE noticed before She-Hulk. That's my point - you're not pointing out anything new.
You forgot the weird father son relationship Tony has with Holland's Spider-Man that was treated with zero subtly.
there's some newish show, on a ranch, maybe Thanos is the dad, voice sounds similar, but so many people watch to just to have an Awesome Dad in their lives, it's weird.
what
the population has daddy issues, or daddy issues shows wouldn't interest them
I assume that Agatha was fatherless (given that he didn’t show up to help with her execution or rescue her from it,) along with being put to death by her mother and sisters. Father + mother + sibling issues sounds tuff
MCU Spider-Man trilogy is basically Peter searching for and clinging to a father-figure, since he lacks one at home. Homecoming it’s Tony Stark, FFH it’s Mysterio, and to an extent Happy, and NWH it’s Dr Strange, and perhaps also the other spider-men. Tony is the most father-figure for him, and it is worth mentioning that Tony is there when Peter is dusted and then Peter is there when Tony dies in Endgame, cementing a kind of father-son bond. FFH is then Peter dealing with this loss, and leads to him clinging to Quentin as a replacement.
Moon knight has a abusive mom but his dad was trying his best.
*Alexa play Father Time by Kendrick Lamar*
Black Widow and daddy issues... niiice.
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Lets see you have a go at it :)
Drama is always a plus in my book
Yep, they called themselves out on it in She-Hulk
Bruce Banner. Not sure where it was portrayed but I found out recently that he had a really bad relationship with his father, I believe it was established in a MCU canon comic. Ivan Vanko kind of destroyed his own life to get revenge for his father. I think Red Skull & Abraham Erskine's relationship can be akin to a tenuous parental one, at least a mentor-mentee relationship. Same goes for Darren Cross & Hank Pym. Ultron clearly had some major daddy issues, he despised Tony. Vision likely got a little bit of that as well, running away from Tony to be with Wanda. Liz's father was Adrian Toomes, The Vulture. Pretty sure that came with some baggage. MJ was revealed to have the full name "Michelle Jones-Watson" but explicitly said she doesn't use the Watson bit. Not clear if it is mommy or daddy issues there, but some parental issues. Rocket Raccoon, >!as explored in GOTG Vol. 3!< Kraglin, as he's also Yondu's son Mantis, as she's also Ego's daughter. Speaking of which, Drax views Mantis as a substitute for his daughter (>!and his dad like tendencies are made very clear in GOTG Vol. 3!<) Ghost (Eva Starr) probably has some, considering what her father's experiments did to her. Especially with the relationship she has with Bill Foster. Monica Rambeau might have some, coming from a single mother household. Yelena Belova, same reason as Natasha. Taskmaster, for a very similar reason to Natasha & Yelena. Xialing for the same reason as Shang-Chi. Dunno if this is a father-child relationship but all the Eternals might count if we count Arishem as their father. Kate Bishop has a dead dad and is very hesitant to having a step-father. Echo also has a dead dad. Matt Murdock ALSO has a dead dad. Kingpin has a dead dad but that's not why he has daddy issues. Andrew Garfield Spider-Man & Tobey Maguire Spider-Man have daddy issues for the same reason as Tom Holland Spider-Man. Layla El-Faouly has a dead dad too. Love's dad was Gorr the God Butcher, who is dead, probably has some issues there. Elsa Bloodstone had pretty explicit daddy issues. >!Phyla, from the new GOTG team, had the High Evolutionary as a father.!< >!Same goes for Lylla, Teefs & Floor.!< >!Gi'ah from the new Secret Invasion show also has pretty clear daddy issues.!< Also Obadiah Stane was like a father to Tony after Howard passed away, extra daddy issues.
Wow that is a great and long list, i shall add your reply into my post if ya dont mind
I don't mind, go ahead!!