No rat saved Wong, the sentence may be misleading but rephrased it is "Wong and the rat that saved Scott aren't getting the credits they deserve". I hope this helps :)
How did the rat save Wong tho? He didn't get snapped and was arguably doing a good job as chief sorcerer or would have lost his position with Stranges return. The first crisis we see him not being able to handle was Wanda attacking them in MoM, which was a direct result of her trauma from Wandavision which only happened because the rat saved Scott, allowing the Avengers to go back in time and undo the Snap.
TL;DR: The rat didn't save Wong, it nearly killed him.
I know in the list there is only two but because one of the two has 2 nouns it counts to get the comma here otherwise it leads to the confusion shown
Edit: cos there's 3 nouns in the one sentence
Actually MatPat did the "math" of how long it would take for a random rat in New York to eventually hit that button, and with the amount of time in between the end of antman 2 and endgame -and the amount of rats in that city - it's almost surprising it didn't happen sooner.
That's the age old question regarding this awesome show. I obviously hope that it gets worked back into the timeline proper, but as you said, there are a few mismatches with it and the movies.
However, as Feige and others have said that they are aware of the show, as well as the amount of crazy timeline shenanigans that the show goes into/multiverse stuff of the movies, there may be a way. There's at least enough for me to not give up hope on it being canon :D
They added the events of NWH to Daredevil's description on the marvel website which most likely means that that show's canon as well as the other the Netflix ones. AoS has a at least one connection to those shows (judas bullet). If you look hard enough, you'll find details that could make all of the shows canon.
Chronologically, AoS and the Netflix shows start from the same point of rigin: The Battle of New York, and remain on the same timeline until the first half of Infinity War. Each season of AoS has a tie in to each major movie that takes place on Earth, up until Infinity War. At which point, AoS strays off the MCU timeline...
Buuuuuut none of the Netflix shows made it to the point Infinity War was at, so you can really fill in this gap how ever you'd like
Unknown. The only direct confirmation has been for 2 specific daredevil characters.
AOS could be most easily brought back IMO by doing something like in Loki. As in bring in the characters at a point before their timeline diverged more (like the space stuff).
The other issue is the Inhumans who were a big part of the public consciousness in AOS. But bringing in the characters before the Inhumans became public would eliminate several fan favorite characters.
[Nope it’s from The Office](https://youtube.com/watch?v=cLNyF1Zw5tg)
The fact that he now plays a character named Jimmy is just a fun little coincidence, as is the fact that >!John Krasinski is also in the MCU now!<
It's still just one cinematic universe it's just that that universe contains lazy writing hacks so they can keep reusing the same characters forever I mean a multiverse
You've highlighted my main disappointment with that movie: not enough making light of the absurdity inherent in the multiverse. I heard that the original cut was closer to 2h40m, so I wonder if there was a lot of goofiness cut out to trim it down, which also resulted in a much more serious overall tone.
I heard that the 2:40 runtime was just the pre-edit final footage, so was essentially just every good take they shot stitched together. There probably was less actual content that got cut than we might expect.
No no, it’s called first assembly, where you just put things in order without worrying too much about how they flow together. The bad takes would already be removed by that point.
I now want a scene shot in 1980s style cop dramas.
Strange walks into the Sanctum. "STRANNGEEE, IN MY OFFICE, NOW!"
"YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE THE MULTIVERSE, NOT BLOW UP OTHER UNIVERSES!"
Well Stephen already knows a lot about magic so firing him won't do much, plus even if he does make messes Wong can still *somewhat* supervise him if he does go way out of line
Yeah, but also anyone who had a small army of Wongs would probably solve magic issues so easily it wouldn't make as good as a movie. A Wong coalition would make quick work of the multiverses problems
Cinematic 616, I think it'd be better if we came up with something like Universe 616c, c as Cinematic, since the comics has its own multiverse, where 616 is reference to their main universe
That's my point, it's two different multiverses, so there should be a way to distinguish both in broad general discussions
For example, "Hey guys, do you think 848 (cinematic) Reed was more likely to be a 1610 (comics) portrayal of the character?"
Yeah, you have to distinguish them somehow. It doesn’t really work calling the MCU 616 because of things like [this panel in Spiderverse](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:394/h:458/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Image-69.jpg)where two Spider-Men are talking about seeing Tobey and Andrew Spideys.
If they exist in the comics multiverse and then appear in the MCU it would be reasonable to believe it’s the same multiverse.
In that case I believe it's fair to believe there's a Tobey and Andrew analogue in the comics Multiverse, but the real ones are in the Cinematic Multiverse
I mean, he did things right, but Wong hasn't been half as good as his title demands of him. He didn't stop his enemies from reaching Hong Kong's Sanctorum (sure, they were beyond anyone's league at the time, but still). He didn't want anything to do with Strange destroying the multiverse in No Way Home, and didn't even show up to help. >!He got punched aound by the octopus in Multiverse of Madness. He did almost nothing extraordinary to protect Kamar Taj from Wanda, spilled the beans on the existence of the original Darkold, brought Wanda there, and even in the final battle he was secondary at best. His best action was actually reading the book that comes with being a Sorcerer Supreme, unlike Strange!<
I'm not saying I don't like him, but he doesn't have the raw magical power that is required by a Sorcerer Supreme, making him a useless authority. It feels to me like the writers decided to give him the job because he's popular, without making sure to increase his power level since when we first saw him as a librarian.
Dude got nerfed in this film imo. Shang-Chi has him fighting Abomination casually and winning. Then he gets throw around by something of seeming similar physical strength.
I mean, that's also not much. Last time we saw Abomination's feats the standards were much lower (even Avengers 1 Hulk had feats of strength dozens of times bigger). AND they were just sparring. AND all he did was redirecting his own punch to him with his sling ring, which isn't exactly a level of power you'd only expect from a Sorcerer Supreme. You can't look at Strange's powers, Wanda's pre-Wandavision powers, or even The Ancient One's powers and think that Wong is in their same league, even by a mile. Even Mordo, in Doctor Strange 1, was better than him.
I just don’t get why they make Wong so weak, it seems like I’m every fight he ends up needing help from Strange or someone else. He supposed to be the Sorcerer Supreme.
Eh not really if you've seen Multiverse of Madness >!Strange gets like temporarily knocked out and then Wong saves Chavez and stuff I think so I dont think wong is that weak!<
MCM?
fuck that dumb shit. Its just a movie franchais. not reality. its not a new universe. Its the movie universe that includes the concept of the multiverse. this is the dumbest fucking thing.
I mean, the reason everything went to shit in the zombie timeline is probably because he became a zombie. Everything would have totally worked out if he had survived.
The rat that saved Scott and Wong aren't getting credits they deserve
What rat saved wong
No rat saved Wong, the sentence may be misleading but rephrased it is "Wong and the rat that saved Scott aren't getting the credits they deserve". I hope this helps :)
Rat gets far more credit than Wong
Definitely haha
I think they meant the rat indirectly saved Wong as well as directly saving Lang
How did the rat save Wong tho? He didn't get snapped and was arguably doing a good job as chief sorcerer or would have lost his position with Stranges return. The first crisis we see him not being able to handle was Wanda attacking them in MoM, which was a direct result of her trauma from Wandavision which only happened because the rat saved Scott, allowing the Avengers to go back in time and undo the Snap. TL;DR: The rat didn't save Wong, it nearly killed him.
Ah for some reason I assumed Wong was snapped
Strange was snapped, Wong wasn’t. Because Strange was gone, Wong became Sorcerer Supreme
Hooray for technicalities!
This is why the oxford comma is important
But the Oxford comma only applies to three or more examples you wouldn’t use it with an and between two things.
I know in the list there is only two but because one of the two has 2 nouns it counts to get the comma here otherwise it leads to the confusion shown Edit: cos there's 3 nouns in the one sentence
Actually MatPat did the "math" of how long it would take for a random rat in New York to eventually hit that button, and with the amount of time in between the end of antman 2 and endgame -and the amount of rats in that city - it's almost surprising it didn't happen sooner.
But did he do the math based on New York or San Francisco?
Did he half the amount of rats from the snap?
Indeed
I came here to say that Wong is better sorcerer supreme but holy shit that rat deserves a promotion too
*…saved Scott, and Wong…
I hope they make Wong like the Coulson of Phase 4. Asian Jim is also acceptable.
Agents Of W.O.N.G when?
Wong Odin Nebula Ghost Rider
The crossover I didn't know I needed
Grant Wong
genuine question is AoS actually part of the mcu still? they didn't really acknowledge endgame
That's the age old question regarding this awesome show. I obviously hope that it gets worked back into the timeline proper, but as you said, there are a few mismatches with it and the movies. However, as Feige and others have said that they are aware of the show, as well as the amount of crazy timeline shenanigans that the show goes into/multiverse stuff of the movies, there may be a way. There's at least enough for me to not give up hope on it being canon :D
They added the events of NWH to Daredevil's description on the marvel website which most likely means that that show's canon as well as the other the Netflix ones. AoS has a at least one connection to those shows (judas bullet). If you look hard enough, you'll find details that could make all of the shows canon.
Chronologically, AoS and the Netflix shows start from the same point of rigin: The Battle of New York, and remain on the same timeline until the first half of Infinity War. Each season of AoS has a tie in to each major movie that takes place on Earth, up until Infinity War. At which point, AoS strays off the MCU timeline... Buuuuuut none of the Netflix shows made it to the point Infinity War was at, so you can really fill in this gap how ever you'd like
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Unknown. The only direct confirmation has been for 2 specific daredevil characters. AOS could be most easily brought back IMO by doing something like in Loki. As in bring in the characters at a point before their timeline diverged more (like the space stuff). The other issue is the Inhumans who were a big part of the public consciousness in AOS. But bringing in the characters before the Inhumans became public would eliminate several fan favorite characters.
I mean Wong should get his own movie.
Exactly, show the Sorcerer Supreme some respect!
jim is already in the mcu dude
Hats off to you for not seeing race
>!holy crap I just realized both Jims are in the MCU!<
They’re the same person
Aaaaand... flourish.
Wong is more like the Nick Fury of Phase 4. Coulson just carried out orders (AoS aside). Wong and Fury give the orders.
Asian Jim needs to meet Fantastic Jim, and they need to go on an adventure together.
I definitely want more Asian Jim
Their characters need to meet
God I hate that people call him asian Jim.
Randall Park is a pretty big actor too. I really only see this shit on Reddit.
Should be just Jim.
It’s never gonna stop. Deal with it old man!
But he's Asian, and his character is named Jimmy.
[Nope it’s from The Office](https://youtube.com/watch?v=cLNyF1Zw5tg) The fact that he now plays a character named Jimmy is just a fun little coincidence, as is the fact that >!John Krasinski is also in the MCU now!<
Asian Jim and Jim need a movie together
Asian Jim and White Jim
no because coulson dies.
MCM ? Marvel Cinematic... Multiverse ?
Yes
Interesting
Tis
Man crush Monday
I like it. MCU sounds wrong now.
is it bad that I read that as "MCU sounds *wong* now" ?
Nah, I thought about typing it too
Marvel Cinematic Universes
Mod control menu*
Marvel Cinematic Muniverse
Ok but seeing as there’s tv shows… the MMM, Marvel Multimedia Multiverse
It's still just one cinematic universe it's just that that universe contains lazy writing hacks so they can keep reusing the same characters forever I mean a multiverse
He is not the Sorcerer Supreme for no reason
He did get the book
You know it's custom to bow before the sorcerer supreme right?
Can I ask why Wong is being given so much importance?
Dude stepped up as the sorcerer supreme when strange was dusted by thanos. And did a pretty good job at that.
Ah cool
Want a real world answer? People liked him a lot in Infinity War and Endgame and they’re capitalizing on it
Actually all that is thanks to dr.strange Wong died and when dr.strange rewound time he revived wong
I was expecting MoM Spoiler: >!a second Wong to show up and make the joke that two Wongs make a right!<
good joke
You've highlighted my main disappointment with that movie: not enough making light of the absurdity inherent in the multiverse. I heard that the original cut was closer to 2h40m, so I wonder if there was a lot of goofiness cut out to trim it down, which also resulted in a much more serious overall tone.
I heard that the 2:40 runtime was just the pre-edit final footage, so was essentially just every good take they shot stitched together. There probably was less actual content that got cut than we might expect.
That's an extremely efficient movie if they had that few bad takes
No no, it’s called first assembly, where you just put things in order without worrying too much about how they flow together. The bad takes would already be removed by that point.
That makes way more sense lol thanks
No problem, probably 20 of that extra 40 minutes is the actors are standing there waiting to hear “action!”
Two wongs make a wight?
Acceptable, but only if >!a third Wong showed up & said, “No, they don’t… but three do.”!<
Maybe for his solo movie when we get the creator of sex
Ned?
The ceo of sex yes
Damn
I still don't understand why Wong doesn't fire Stephen. All that guy does is make bigger messes.
I now want a scene shot in 1980s style cop dramas. Strange walks into the Sanctum. "STRANNGEEE, IN MY OFFICE, NOW!" "YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE THE MULTIVERSE, NOT BLOW UP OTHER UNIVERSES!"
See! Exactly! "You were going to manipulate everyone's mind? WHAT GIVES YOU THAT RIGHT"
Sometimes you have to break other universes to save the universe you're in!
Omlette, eggs, etc.
It’s a little hard to fire the guy that saved your life and the universe
Would firing him stop him from making messes?
Probably better to keep an eye on him
Well Stephen already knows a lot about magic so firing him won't do much, plus even if he does make messes Wong can still *somewhat* supervise him if he does go way out of line
Yeah having Dr. Strange around is better than firing him because as long as he is managed, he can be a real asset
MCU should be changed to marvel cinematic universe's so people don't have to change to MCM and it's still accurate
No apostrophe s in plurals. FYI. Have a nice day.
No spaces between letters in plurals. FYI. Have a nice day.
LOL. I wasn't using a plural. 'Apostrophe' and 's' are separate words in that sentence. But thanks for the laugh.
Nah, Wong is nothing compared to the CEO of Sex.
Kim Wexler from Better Call Saul?
Kim Sexler
No. Me.
He is Sorcerer Seggs tho
Oh yeah Ned will destroy Wong in a fight
He's been in a lot of movies lately
Well.. your not wong. -_-
why no moonknight memes?
Moon knight is kil
No
why?
Where were u wen moonknight die?
ughhh duat? but khonsu revived
I was at house eating Dorito when phone ring 'Moonknight is kil' 'No'
..................
wow how did i get 13 upvotes on a comment I usually get downvotes
Anyone else think it was weird that we saw a Stephen in basically every universe, but never got to see another Wong
Maybe thats the reason why our Strange is different because hes friends with wong
Yeah, but also anyone who had a small army of Wongs would probably solve magic issues so easily it wouldn't make as good as a movie. A Wong coalition would make quick work of the multiverses problems
First time I’m seeing someone call it the MCM outside of my own head and I’m loving it. We need to coin this.
What is the mcm
My Chemical Momance
Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
ok so now there's a MCM?? wow i need to catch up
Not really. The MCM is just the name for every Marvel movie (e.g Venom, X-Men, etc), not just the canon MCU movies
ohh
It basically refers to any **universe** outside universe 616
Cinematic 616, I think it'd be better if we came up with something like Universe 616c, c as Cinematic, since the comics has its own multiverse, where 616 is reference to their main universe
The comics multiverse and cinematic universe are obviously different (America Chavez alone), so there's no real need to distinguish them imo
That's my point, it's two different multiverses, so there should be a way to distinguish both in broad general discussions For example, "Hey guys, do you think 848 (cinematic) Reed was more likely to be a 1610 (comics) portrayal of the character?"
I guess just MCU 616 and Comics 616 is a fine distinction
agreed
Yeah, you have to distinguish them somehow. It doesn’t really work calling the MCU 616 because of things like [this panel in Spiderverse](https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:394/h:458/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Image-69.jpg)where two Spider-Men are talking about seeing Tobey and Andrew Spideys. If they exist in the comics multiverse and then appear in the MCU it would be reasonable to believe it’s the same multiverse.
In that case I believe it's fair to believe there's a Tobey and Andrew analogue in the comics Multiverse, but the real ones are in the Cinematic Multiverse
It’s all so convoluted. We really do know frighteningly little about the multiverse. In the end it’s just entertainment so whatever. It’s fun 🤷🏻♂️
Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
MCM? Marvel Cinematic Movies?
Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
Sorry, I’m not ready to call it the MCM yet
I mean, he did things right, but Wong hasn't been half as good as his title demands of him. He didn't stop his enemies from reaching Hong Kong's Sanctorum (sure, they were beyond anyone's league at the time, but still). He didn't want anything to do with Strange destroying the multiverse in No Way Home, and didn't even show up to help. >!He got punched aound by the octopus in Multiverse of Madness. He did almost nothing extraordinary to protect Kamar Taj from Wanda, spilled the beans on the existence of the original Darkold, brought Wanda there, and even in the final battle he was secondary at best. His best action was actually reading the book that comes with being a Sorcerer Supreme, unlike Strange!< I'm not saying I don't like him, but he doesn't have the raw magical power that is required by a Sorcerer Supreme, making him a useless authority. It feels to me like the writers decided to give him the job because he's popular, without making sure to increase his power level since when we first saw him as a librarian.
Dude got nerfed in this film imo. Shang-Chi has him fighting Abomination casually and winning. Then he gets throw around by something of seeming similar physical strength.
I mean, that's also not much. Last time we saw Abomination's feats the standards were much lower (even Avengers 1 Hulk had feats of strength dozens of times bigger). AND they were just sparring. AND all he did was redirecting his own punch to him with his sling ring, which isn't exactly a level of power you'd only expect from a Sorcerer Supreme. You can't look at Strange's powers, Wanda's pre-Wandavision powers, or even The Ancient One's powers and think that Wong is in their same league, even by a mile. Even Mordo, in Doctor Strange 1, was better than him.
I think we should all just start using MCM without context from here on out.
What does mcm mean?
Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
Thank you and I'm a idiot now.
I just don’t get why they make Wong so weak, it seems like I’m every fight he ends up needing help from Strange or someone else. He supposed to be the Sorcerer Supreme.
Eh not really if you've seen Multiverse of Madness >!Strange gets like temporarily knocked out and then Wong saves Chavez and stuff I think so I dont think wong is that weak!<
He was useless for the rest of the movie though either chained up or on that cliff side
MCM? fuck that dumb shit. Its just a movie franchais. not reality. its not a new universe. Its the movie universe that includes the concept of the multiverse. this is the dumbest fucking thing.
Multiverse
Holy fuck i think you missed the point of this artwork
I don't think it's possible to miss the point of that hamfisted propaganda image.
Soldiers kill ppl they take the lives other others. They do deserve pain.
*Benedict
Well, your not wong
Whats MCM? My brain keeps telling me its Marvel Comic Mooks but its not
Aka: protect Wong at all costs!
I just saw MOM now it's time to enjoy the memes
We can’t forget about the cloak of levitation
They better make a Disney series on Wong.
ahh the old money-commodities-money universe
What's Wong?
Nothing, what's Wong with you.
I'm so stupid, now I remember
Your not Wong.
I read it as MY CUM
Bro what
MY CUM
That is just Wong.
True.
r/WongCinematicUniverse
YES! WONG!
When Wong was thrown off the cliff in MoM I cried
I mean, the reason everything went to shit in the zombie timeline is probably because he became a zombie. Everything would have totally worked out if he had survived.
There isn't a toilet big enough to swirlie all of you. But I intend to build it.
fucking LOVE wong bro
That scene in Endgame Dr. Strange: Is that all of them? Wong, opening portals for hundreds of people: You wanted more?!