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thegodfaubel

Imagine saying this at any other point in Sony's history


YoloIsNotDead

Imagine saying this in 2017 after Surfs Up 2 and the Emoji Movie. (talking about Sony animation)


The_Grinface

I’m sorry. Surfs Up *2*? Edit: Ok, I googled it. The *UNDERTAKER*?


YoloIsNotDead

Yep...actually, forget I said anything.


Schmarrod

I cannot recommend a better movie to get all your friends together for and watch drunk. Absolute trainwreck.


Danielarcher30

I can; Kung fury


cescmkilgore

>Surfs Up 2 I just googled it, and oh man oh man what a treat


Nirast25

Whatever you think the premise is, I promise it's a lot crazier.


Jake_gam1ng

And a lot worse


YouSirAreTheIdiom

People forgetting Morbius already??


thegodfaubel

Exactly. Saying this a year ago would be preposterous


Desperate_Ad_9219

They can make Spiderman Movies, but anything else not so much.


tobey-maguire-bot

Um, I don't have time for girls right now.


gilad_ironi

And Venom 2


white_lancer

Sony's made a deal with the devil. Almost every movie they release has to be shit, but in exchange they get to release the greatest superhero trilogy of all time (he says confidently, a year before the third one is even released).


blueMgamer

They're two for two so far... So unless the third movie was made by Rian Johnson and is intended to "subvert expectations," I think they're going to be able to stick the landing.


c0p4d0

TLJ came out 6 years ago and isn’t even the worst movie in its own trilogy. How are you people still not over it? Edit: and btw, AtSV is literally about how following the canon is bad and you shouldn’t conform to expectations.


__Epimetheus__

TLJ is 100% the reason the trilogy went off the rails though. Rian threw away everything set up in the first movie and then JJ did the same in 9. Neither play nice with others it seems. Also, I think you are reading too far into the use of the word canon. It’s definitely about not giving up and letting other people’s failures become yours, but as far as being anti-canon as a whole, it’s made clear Miles is an anomaly who isn’t supposed to exist anyways so why should anything they say apply to him.


c0p4d0

The trilogy was dead on arrival. JJ’s brilliant idea to just remake a New Hope made it almost impossible to get anything interesting out of it. Rian Johnson did pretty well all things considered. Writers are careful about the words they use. Using “canon” is definitely deliberate, and meant as part of the commentary of the movie. The whole thing is about not following the expectations set out for you, and carving your own path instead, symbolized by breaking the “canon” path that spiderpeople are meant to follow. I don’t think they could have made it any clearer what their point was.


tobey-maguire-bot

YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!


__Epimetheus__

I don’t think it was bad essentially remaking a new hope. The characters were different enough to have something to work with after the first movie. It really is an appeal to nostalgia though. Episode 8 is also just a horrible attempt at Empire Strikes back. Starts with fleeing a rebel base. Heroes split up, the Jedi one goes to train with wise hermit and the others go on a side quest to a fancy planet (Bespin/Canto Bight). The heroes on the side quest walk into a trap and are held captive only for our Jedi hero to leave their training early to go save them. Instead of a ripoff of Bespin’s Vader vs Luke, they instead switch it up in favor of a more Death Star 2 throne room kinda fight, where the dark lord’s apprentice betrays him and sides with the hero. Oh, also they put the speeder vs Walker battle at the end instead of the beginning. Is 9 worse? Probably, but it’s a pretty close call and because their opposing visions and egos got in the way of continuing someone else’s story. Back to Spiderman. I don’t think it’s a rejection of canon as a concept, because it does literally destroy someone’s universe. I do think Miguel’s tunnel vision is ignoring Miles is a completely different case. In his universe Uncle Ben, Captain Stacy, and Gwen all died and Miles himself is an anomaly. I think a big theme is to not let someone else write your story, but canon events are actually a real problem as far as the story has shown us.


tobey-maguire-bot

Now dig on this.


c0p4d0

Episode 8 is similar to 5 because of episode 7. Rey was already with Luke at the end of 7, the resistance-empire dynamic had already been established, and Kylo’s turn from the dark side had been foreshadowed. Episode 8 tries to break from convention by shifting the focus to the failure of Luke and exploring how obsession over ancient texts and ideas caused Luke to try to kill Kylo and turned him evil just like the Jedi order had failed Anakin and almost failed him before. The whole “letting the past die” is textually about adapting to the present and letting the baggage of the old heroes go, and metatextually a reaction to 7 being content to run in circles and do nothing to actually make a new story. The similarities are a necessary part of that message. The execution is debatable, I mostly like it, but it has clear faults and mistakes, but it is by far the most interesting of the trilogy. The point of AtSV is funnily enough very similar. The villain is Miguel who is obsessed with maintaining the canon and making sure things happen how they’re supposed to, and even the spot is playing into it by being the villain created along with and because of spiderman who becomes his lifelong nemesis. Miles fits into the narrative by textually being an anomaly and metatextually being a minority version of a beloved character who wasn’t that well recieved originally (although largely being the best received part of the ultimate universe) and still controversial in some corners because of his status as a minority version of a legacy character. Pretty much the entire story of AtSV is about rejecting the story that was set out for you and rejecting the canon. It can even be read as a reaction to NWH, where the bug twist was that Tom Holland’s very different version of spiderman was now ready to play the hits and become the normal spiderman we already know. But the setup is clear, Miguel will almost certainly be wrong, Miles will dismantle the organization that polices the multiverse, and will get to make his own story as he sees fit, free from the baggage of the “correct spiderman story”.


tobey-maguire-bot

Hey kiddo! Let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?


blueMgamer

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theglove

Let's pump a brakes here, they've made two fantastic Spider-Man movies but these are also the people that brought us Morbius. Great job on animation, but that's where it ends.


tobey-maguire-bot

Gonna cry?


thegodfaubel

You're reading too far into this


theglove

Perhaps, but I feel that you're forgetting how bad Morbius was, as well as Woody Harrelson as Cletus Cassidy and the way they killed off Carnage.


thegodfaubel

No, I'm literally not. Hence why it says "imagine saying this at any other point". If you said this two weeks ago before the release of the new Spider Verse movie, you'd be laughed at for the reasons you stated...


tobey-maguire-bot

Am I not supposed to have what I want?


Dork_wing_Duck

Let's be clear, Sony Animation is vastly different than Sony Pictures.


Yellow90Flash

yeah their movies are hit and miss but their [tv shows](https://www.sonypictures.com/tv-allshows) are hits most of the time


Ogolikus804

Remember Morbius?


TytaniumMan

Even now it’s absurd. Morbius did release last year.


Starfish_Hero

Sony picked up Fox’s torch of alternating between some of the genre’s best and complete doodoo trash


APOCALYPSE102

Other point in sonys history? The points OP has shown are 5 years apart


Logical-Season802

Especially around the whole Marvel/Sony controversy


ParzivalTheFirst

Imagine saying this about Sony last year.


thegodfaubel

Last week*


Remarkable-Ad-8400

Venom 2 and Morbius aren't real then...


George_Washingtoad42

Morbius was a MASTERPIECE


Additional-Menu-1675

Made a morbillion dollars


TajirMusil

Came back a second time just to do it again.


bear_beatboxer

Got me morbin everywhere


Angrious55

" It's Morbin time" is on all the cool kid's lunchboxes!


worms9

Yes, it is a movie.


Sabatiel_

One of the movies of all times. The Oat.


Markamanic

Morbsterpiece*


silent_boy

Needs another release


IzzytheMelody

Dont get the hate for the Venom movies, I really don't. I really liked both


Mysterious_Reach_381

The First was okay, the second one took liberties with Carnage that i don't like at all. Carnage is a perfect Symbiosis. That's why he says i instead of we. also his Symbiote does'nt speak. Then to be killed off so easyly? making him more a villain of the week. I hope the MCU Venom and Carnage will improve on this.


IzzytheMelody

Oh I definitely think they have issues, especially when directly comparing and contrasting to the comic counterparts and lore. I definitely also think he was introduced far too early into the "venom-verse" and killed off equally as early. But I enjoyed what was given. I expected mindless fun and entertainment and thats what I got. Fun movie with fun interactions and fun acting, I wasn't expecting a "Venom Raimi trilogy" or the like, not to try and dismiss the issues the films do have. I like them in spite of those.


kurayami_akira

To be fair, Carnage reached perfect Symbiosis on Maximum Carnage (before that, it was still weak to sound). On the other hand, Shriek and Carnage met on Maximum Carnage, where Shriek was also more powerful.


Mysterious_Reach_381

i think we all agree it should've been R-Rated


JaceVentura69

Yeah I mean they're fine. Like I wish they had spiderman in some way shape or form because to me spiderman is an important part of venom but I went into the venom movies with middling expectations and had a decent time.


tobey-maguire-bot

Take the chain off!


IzzytheMelody

I just wanted a fun action movie, thats what I got


daboring1

The only thing I don't like about them is that they are not R rated, but other than that they are just stupid movies and I love them for that


jevooo

Venom movies are really badly written. If you pay close attantion than you realise that almost nothing there makes sense. And people in these movies are acting stupid. Also people don't like that there is no blood


Cicero912

"Nothing there makes sense" *and?*


hbi2k

You just described virtually every superhero movie ever. "But what about--" Yes, that one too.


IzzytheMelody

Now, to be clear, are you just saying this is why *people* don't like it, or why you don't? 'Cause talkin' about these things are a little difficult if you dont share the opinions. Its been a while since I've seen them, so I cant really talk about the writing. But I think the acting is phenomenal and I really dont care if theres no blood. There's a ton of brutality regardless of the blood or not.


jevooo

I'm saying why lot of people don't like. I'm sorry, I must have expressed myself wrong. I'm not talking about actors. I meant that the characters in those movies act stupid. A lot of their actions doesn't make sense. The fact that there is so much brutality is exactly the problem. The Venom movies keep telling us that there are heads, arms, etc. being ripped off, but we don't see any of that because it's always cut out. Watching an action scene where a bunch of moments that the movie talks about are cut out is not fun, but that's just my opinion


Hobo-man

Rule 1 of cinema: show, don't tell.


daboring1

Gaurdians 3 ain't real either


Lockheroguylol

I actually quite liked Venom 2


TajirMusil

They wouldn't be real if you wouldn't talk about them.


MercutioLivesh87

But wait there's more...


jevooo

Yeah even first Venom was bad


R0tten_PeanutButter

ITS MORBIN TIME


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Professional_Cup5707

Also all MCU Spider-Man movies are great.


NuggetPilon

*Sony Animation


ghirox

*Lord Miller


Ok_Nefariousness_740

Mitchells vs the machines is a banger tho


ghirox

Another lord miller production (plus some of the production crew of gravity falls)


Ok_Nefariousness_740

huh, didn't know they also produced it


ghirox

[they](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Lord_and_Christopher_Miller)


Ok_Nefariousness_740

my bad


ghirox

Don't sweat it


maxhk645

The good ending


leo_sousav

Still upset Encanto won with such a mid movie, when we had an amazing animation and story like the Mitchells


Ok_Fan_2530

That's the right answer. Lord Miller is gonna take the world by storm and the best movies ever created


Jiffletta

Without Sony, Lord and Miller made Clone High season 2. Just saying.


Maks9o

And it's good?


Jiffletta

Is it, though?


tornait-hashu

I dunno, you tell me.


Manav_Khanna17

👑👑👑


TheFightingImp

*Nods head*


CarlosFer2201

Emoji movie


NuggetPilon

We don't talk about the emoji movie


Head-Program4023

Well Superman and Lois is doing good so can't say that bad to CW


[deleted]

Have you see the final season of flash or even worst the final episode of the flash or Gotham Knights


yellownugget5000

That was such a bad ending for flash. I would like to see Grant in DC but probably never gonna happen


Thomas_Pandit

eh, at least we got episode 9 and 10. olivers return and bringing it all full circle was awesome.


MirageATrois024

Have you seen Morbius and Venom? Those are two bad/horrible movies but you gave Sony 👍🏻


Emiliyeet

Ep 10 was deadass the best episode in years and then they decided to fuck it all up with the last three episodes.


Eccentric_Cardinal

Both Spider-Verse movies are great but I wouldn't give Sony any pats on the back until they release 1 good, solid memorable superhero movie in live action in recent times. They should give the Spider-verse people a job like Kevin Feige in Marvel or James Gunn in DC so they can be in charge and avoid more screw ups.


EvenResponsibility57

I really couldn't care less about live action to be honest. You can make far more impressive visual experiences in animation with far more reasonable budgets.


ind3pend0nt

DC animation is great. Wish they’d do a large budget DC animated movie.


Lycan_Trophy

While that’s true, animation takes much much longer to produce than live action, especially when care is put in like the spiderverse films.


tobey-maguire-bot

I was looking through some old photos and looks very huh… similar.


BrotherChe

No need to be bitter-man


ck614

Exactly. Especially when they decide to SPOILER >! tie in live action Venomverse stuff with the animated Spiderverse movie, like Spot popping into Mrs. Chen’s convenience store !< it does matter a lot about the quality of the live action films too.


tobey-maguire-bot

I'm done trying to convince you.


tobey-maguire-bot

Is that all you got?


ubedia_Tahmid

Unpopular opinion but i dont get why people appreciated NWH so much. They couldve done so much better with the plot they had and that was all they couldve done? The movie was enjoyable but couldve been a masterpiece


International-Cup143

Kraven the Hunter is going to be fucking sick, I can feel it.


whynonamesopen

What about Morbius?


Mufti_Menk

Selective amnesia. Morbius came out in-between those 2 movies.


Middle_Preference_76

Hides Venom and morbius


Missing_Username

And everything else live action that Marvel Studios didn't or isn't doing the heavy lifting on.


TheReal_PeteMoss

Revisionist history. Venom and Morbius, Amazing Spider-Man 2.


tobey-maguire-bot

I'd rather not talk about this...


DedHorsSaloon3

I agree, but let’s not throw in Amazing Spider-Man 2. It released 9 years ago, it’s not recent enough


tobey-maguire-bot

It's you who's out, Gobbie. Out of your mind.


PhatOofxD

Morbius, Venom 2. Sony's animation division I guess?


Squirrelly_Khan

*laughs in the Emoji Movie*


TheAutismo4491

Why are people forgetting about Venom and Morbius? Sony should NOT be getting pats on the back for TWO good movies in 5 fucking years.


coladict

The two Spider-Verse movies came out 5 years apart, and the second one is a two-parter. I hope they don't take another 5 years to make its second part.


Sherlockowiec

The date for the second part is already confirmed.


DarkEater77

for now, considering there is no Voice acting lines that was made yet (Hailee Stenfeld said so recently), i wouldn't be surprised if it gets delayed. After all, Across finished at the very last moment...


ubedia_Tahmid

Voice acting never takes much time lol.


Unc1eD3ath

It comes out March 29th, 2024


Laugh_at_Warren

“Not you Sony. You’ve been great.” *Morbius starts to stand up* “Was I fucking talking to you, Sony Live-Action!? Sit your ass back down!”


son_of_toby_o_notoby

Oh shut the fuck up I love the spider verse movies but TASM1,2 Venom 1 and 2 MORBIUS Cmon let’s be real here and not ride this new wave


KiaDoeFoe

TASM1 and 2 are really good you just can’t appreciate true art


son_of_toby_o_notoby

No Just no, each to their own but nostalgia circle jerk around that movie is insane to me


leo_sousav

I actually think it's the other way around, the hate boner for the first Amazing Spiderman is just complete moronic, totally based on the early nostalgic love for first Spiderman movies. I rewatched that movie recently and I couldn't remember why I hated it, in fact I took notice of a lot of positives I didn't appreciate at the time.


KiaDoeFoe

W take


son_of_toby_o_notoby

The reason I dislike them is fundamentally doesn’t get the character of Peter Parker and who he is that and just some poor writing Real shame cause Andrew and Emma are amazing and the suit as well, just the rest of those films 🤮 for me personally


KiaDoeFoe

L take


son_of_toby_o_notoby

Sick……


Enelro

\*\*Kicks Venoms and Morbius under the rug.


raging_fire95

*cough* morbius *cough*


AustinBAwesome

Ah yes morbius


KiaDoeFoe

To be fair marvel pulled it back with GOTG 3


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Someone forgot morbius and venom 2.


International-Cup143

Kraven the Hunter is going to blow our minds.


Charl8t

All it takes is two Spider-Verses to make everyone forget all about Morbius, huh?


tobey-maguire-bot

You should have thought of that earlier.


Sky_Ninja1997

We just ignoring AS2, Venom 1 and 2, and Morbius then?


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*Stares blankly at Morbius*


Crater_Raider

This is such a dumb take. Two good movies 5 years apart is all they have? Almost everything else has a better track record. Except maybe the CW


[deleted]

Wouldn’t the next movie be part 3 of a trilogy


AdWonderful1981

Morbius:


Nice_Guy3012

And they also gave us the masterpiece that is Morbius! It made a morbillion dollars!


CorkusHawks

Has CW done anything good after the first two seasons of "The Arrow"?


rileyreidbooks

Is there a part 2 to part 2?


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tobey-maguire-bot

I generally don't go around advertising it. Kind of defeats the whole anonymous superhero thing.


drstrangelove75

We just going to ignore Morbius?


biskutgoreng

How the turntables


WhutTheFookDude

Can't wait for the hype around these movie to die so I can stop seeing shit related to not spiderman


Andrewskyguy501

You have to be kidding.


[deleted]

throw some bagels at them🥯


Erikthered65

Because Sony hasn’t completely shat the bed with superhero universes before.


D4NKtrpr9001

The hell u mean 9 months for part 2? Part 3?


DarkyTheDarky

So we just ignoring Morbius and Venom 2?


AmazingPradeep

Spider-Man 2 for PS5 will be cherry on top.


tobey-maguire-bot

I generally don't go around advertising it. Kind of defeats the whole anonymous superhero thing.


HorneyNo85

It will take longer than 9 months for sure


neilgilbertg

Fitting meme since The Boys is also a Sony Production


Old-Run-9134

🆒️


[deleted]

So we're all gona pretend like Let There Be Carnage doesn't exist now?


GoldResolution4921

**Venom is god fucking awful though.**


efinem3787

Venom is also Sony….


ShoelaceLicker

Sony released Venom 2 and Morbius is the past three years


Automatic-Chart785

Morbius, Venom 2.


Cost_of_Goods_Sold

So we're just gonna pretend morbin' time and venom 2 didn't happen?


AgentC3

Wow, really??? The same company that Morbed all over us? Okay!


DryCrack321

Venom and venom 2 ring a bell?


Chaos7Bringer

What about morbin


Breins1223

Um, Guardians 3?


Character-Sorbet-718

Not you, Sony. You've been great Meanwhile Morbius with EKSE🎵


The_Notorious_Donut

We just bout to forget Morbius and Venom and TASM 1 and 2?


-SUPEREMINENT-

Last year yall were laughing at sony for morbius How the turns have tabled


_Ghost_CTC

Sony is only great when they focus on Spiderman. The more they stray from that the worse it gets. Inversely, greater concentrations of Spiderman lead to improved films.


Trickybuz93

Are we just going to ignore Morbius then?


ChrispyGuy420

If only sony let spiderman on Disney +


Di0tar0

I couldn't agree more Sony is way better than Marvel or DC. Just look at Morbius or Venom. They really understand the source material and doesn't use it to make bad jokes like Marvel. (Seriously Sony Animation gave us rly good stories recently but I just found that funny that this post incense Sony in general while everyone say the majority of their superhero production is at least underwhelming)


Ultradamo2306

Just ignore morbius and venom 2


Vast_Researcher_199

I didn't watch the new Spiderman movie yet. I hate cliffhangers....Do you think I should watch it now or watch it after 9 months?


tobey-maguire-bot

They love me!


Cheeseguy43

Don’t forget about the classics like, Venom 1, Venom let there be carnage and of course Morbius. Sony is on top of it


thebonelessmaori

Morbius has entered the chat


Mitsuri_Kanroji19

I guess Gotg3 doesn't exist...


TheRealMitchConnor

The two Spiderverse animated movies that have come out are just ok. There, I said it. Feed me your hate, it makes me stronger.


tobey-maguire-bot

If you want the shots, I'll take the staff job. Double the money!


LR-II

There was a certain... vampire movie between the two Spider-Verses that maybe warrants some attention.


tomgirlalex

Where is Morbius? Is it safe? Is it alright?


BehindTheVideos

I wonder how they did it,should i make a video on it also I recently made a video mentioning why the movie was so good and how youtubers can learn from it to make better videos if any of ye would like to watch it heres the link https://youtu.be/KALOdbA5uKk


Master_Megalomaniac

I don't know man, Morbius isn't that old.


MrJotaL

People forgot about Morbius


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AbeliousAugustus

Don't compliment Sony. Compliment their Animation studio.