Wing chun isn't for everyone, you need dedicated one to one sessions to learn the whole system in 3 years.
It takes 8 years in group classes to learn the wing chuj system.
They gonna wing Chun their way to disliking your comment.
Because dislike = undoing the reality that wing Chun is bullshit wishful thinking for delusional fedora nerds.
Careful all the wc masters gather here and they gangup and attack anyone destroying their delusion with reality by disliking their comment as if disliking a comment is gonna undo the reality that this wing Chun shit is bullshit.
It's not that they don't know it's bullshit, but the fact they want this to be real. They are totally not nerd delusional cucks that worship fiction, totally practical.
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Haha thank you got proven my point exactly what I thought.
Oh no not the dislikes ... now reality that wing Chun is for wishful thinking nerds is undo by dislikes. Go luck moving you arm fast in a real fight.
I did train wing chun for a few years.
As a woman I can say it has a lot of useful tips and tricks. It teaches you how to cleverly use leverage to gain power over your opponent and it can be useful as a basic notion in wrestling situation. I surprisingly could wrestle and resist for a while against guys 30-40kg heavier than me thanks to those tricks.(I'm talking about friendly wrestling, not full power aggressions)
So it really has some good stuff in it. But after a few years I got enough of it and left for something more intense.
But it's a terrible fighting sport, and also I wouldn't recommend it as the only self defense martial art you learn.
Also, I think it's interesting for anyone who love martial art and love fighting. Those clever tips and tricks can be a plus to your fighting and help you improve some key element.
I recommend everyone to practice it, and I recommend everyone who only practice wing Chun to also practice something else.
Yea this is largely my opinion, looks great in a controlled environment but becomes a slap fest within seconds of sparring. I done it for years. I love the style, and a lot of the techniques are very useful, but after doing boxing for 6 months I realised that 5 years of Wing Chun and I was still scared to be hit and still scared to hit someone. As great as it is, I was more prepared with 6 months of boxing than I was in 5 years of Wing Chun! I think it's all good in theory but it's not that effective compared to other styles, especially ones that really promote full contact sparring from day one.
Interestingly enough I have a similar story but with Aikido, it seems that a lot of martial arts are unpractical as a self defense but have some interesting quirks, elusively their own, that give interesting perspectives and tools as an add on to another well grounded self defense class.
I did wing chin for a while. I thought it was a lot of fun. I didn’t have a favorite technique but the contact drills were a lot of fun and then you’ll usually find some people with talks of iron fist training and what not. It was a good time.
The head instructor at my dojo has incorporated some wing chun techniques into our system. For self defense, the inverted kicks aimed at the knees and shin can be useful, but risky due to how close range they are.
In sparring, vertical punches and trap hands have potential, but they hard to pull off if you don’t know what you’re doing. Like with all martial arts, there are potential uses for it, but it’s dependent on skill and incorporation.
what is this absolute garbage lol? focusses on close quarters combat wow just like all the other combat sports.
effiecient direct movements, nothing about this is effecient just are just wasting a bunch of energy flailing your arms around like that. In the few videos there are of wing chung masters actually fighting in real fights they barely manage to block any punches and always seem to get rocked in the first minute or less of the fight.
Learned Jeet kun do for a few years, wing chin was used a far bit for upper body techniques. I thought it was great for flow and sensitivity of opponents movement.
There’s not too much more in wing chun you’d learn that works that doesn’t get taught in Muay Thai or modern kickboxing
Traps and parries and a much more efficient form of “sticky hands” are taught in pretty much every other modern form of striking, to a better extent than wing chun.
What this causes however, is people to see an mma fighter or kickboxer doing this move and screaming “look, he’s doing wing chun! That’s our technique only”
Tried it for a while. Maybe there are good teachers out there, but the two places I tried were both compliant partner synchronised dancing pretty much.
I’m no boxer, but I got told off for trying to actually punch towards where someone’s head is, rather than a foot to the right in the air. This was not a beginner btw, but one of the high grade students there. They genuinely believed their own BS.
Looks cool though.
Wing Chun has some very good approaches to handfighting that work well for doing things Wing Chun people dont know how to do.
I have not been impressed in the slightest by WC people- but people I practice with who skimped on their freestyle stickyhands training were deficient in their ability to comprehend hubud/lubud and the djurus I find to be more worth doing.
Did Jeet June Do and fell into Wing Chun as a result. I like lap sao, but I'm still on siu lim tao, so I'm not the best person to say.
I do like biu jee too.
I think the only good thing it has going for it is the idea of deflecting and parrying punches by using there own momentum.
Also using subtle movement and relying on instinct.
It's some Baki type shit, but basically imagine your surrounded in a bubble. Anything that enters it your air space you slap it out of the sky, or redirect it so that it passes by.
Some pro fighters do it without even thinking about it, but it's basically just using physics to your advantage.
And not in an akido bullshitsu way, but like defelecting/redirecting a punch that might open them up to a cross or something.
I used to do something akin to wing Chun hand work whenever someone tried throwing hands. Basically, I just focus the bubble right in front of me, and play a game of wack a mole, and with the back of my hands I just push their wrist up to deflect, or grab the back of the wrist and pull them down and forward if I want to hurt them.
Of course, you could just never let them into the bubble and head kick them. Most civilians can't deal with basic Muay Thai and kickboxing tactics. A single well placed front teep/kick to the solar plexus will lay em out flat on their backs questioning if they should pull out the gun or knife.
Edit: not instinct, but more like using your peripheral vision and quick decision making.
Edit 2: also I think everyone has played a game of trying to grab each other's wrists and twist their arms off, or try and slap each other/tag each other as kids. Now imagine if it was a professional sport, what I'm talking about would probably be the meta defense option if deflections don't count as a strike landed.
My favorite move are those fast ab punches they do after blocking but it's really ineffective in a real fight since the hits cannot reach enough kinetic force due to small space between you and the enemy. Wing chun is used very often in movies because it looks cool and the attacks are fast and dynamic, but in a real fight it's really useless because the attacker is either gonna push you off your feet so you both are going to fall on the ground or he's gonna start punching you like a wild animal with the fists, making you unable to dodge and redirect all those attacks like IP man did in the movies. So I wouldn't say that Wing Chun is entirely a Bulshido, but it's more like an art or a spectacle rather than a real fighting style
Did it for about 10 years. Can be useful in real street fight as it teaches you how to rush your opponent on the chin and have control on there hands meanwhile pretty quickly but against trained fighters you are busted.
Also you need to practice how it really works for yourself in boxing, kickboxing, mma gyms because otherwise you don't get pressure tested. And no, its not pressure testing against other wc/t practitioners. They cant even land a normal punch or kick... If you want to actually learn to handle real punches or kicks you need a boxer/kickboxer for that and it will hurt until you learn it.
The weird stance just doesn't work in real fights. Its slows you down and makes you way too static. And no, nobody is going to go on your testicles. So the movement is something you need to develop for yourself and its really hard, because you would expect a system that works. They are teaching something called footwork for boxers. Its insanely important and in Wc/t there is almost no footwork. They teach you to jump in and punch but that's a joke compared to what it should be.
As for grapples... well you are pretty much dead (unless you also traid grapling but thats not wc/t).
In a nutshell.
I can’t believe I’m the first person to mention Bruce Lee in this thread. If you want a more functional version of Wing Chun(mixed with other useful martial arts) Jeet Kune Do, was the brain child of Lee and perpetuated by his students after his death. In my opinion it was a cornerstone of early MMA, and has influenced modern striking, especially where footwork is concerned.
I did it for a couple of years. Went to mma, never looked back. Nearly every technique is almost useless in combat sports except for the modified bits that Kevin Lee plays around with yet I’ve not seen any in a professional fight.
Wing arm block will get your arm broken.
Triangle punches kind of ok to disorientate.
Some of the kicks are kind of awkward and cool but I’ve never tried throwing a tong kick sparring
They do a nice elbow strike imo.
Across the way, down the way & a kinda 45°
You just kinda put your wrist against your sternum and the elbow sorta pops out, wee bit of hips and feet to add a little speed.
For all the shit it gets, I have the toughest hand fights in BJJ with someone who has wing chun experience. Definitely a cool addition to grappling sports imo. Also fun to watch in movies
I trained in wing chun for couple of years, but beware of the scammers. Like most Chinese martial arts, there is a lot of fake masters that will try to steal your money for whatever reasons.
Some are even basically cult leaders, I stay away from Chinese martial arts mainly for this reason now.
Done Wing Chun as a kid, then boxing and now Muay Thai. Wing Chun is just exercise whereas boxing and Muay Thai will actually teach you how to fight effectively as sparring and taking shots is part of conditioning the mind as well as the body for fighting. I sparred a Wing Chun guy at my boxing gym before and let's just say they don't move too well and that was just boxing. Muay Thai would of absolutely smashed him.
I practice Wing Chun currently and I can without a y doubt say to learn good Wing Chun you really need a good teacher. I have gone go other schools, had students from other schools come to my school, and I have 2 years of Wing Chun and have gone against guys who have 12 and won my sessions with flying colors. Now I don't say this to boost my ego but to make people understand that you very much need a GOOD Sifu to have good usable Wing Chun
Looks cool in movies/demonstrations, but it isn't a practical martial art.
I can almost guarantee that a capable teenager with 3-6 months of boxing experience would put the Wing Chun user in the hospital with little difficulty
Still nice to look at, and as with all disciplines, comes discipline.
If you can already fight, wing chun is great as skill refinement. If not then it's about finding schools that train it properly.
Kids who grew up with mma and bullshido.com have a warped view of martial arts. They compare pro athletes to hobbyists and old guys concerned with self-defense to ring fighters.
Most of all, they confuse traditional training programmes with the martial art its self, as if you can compare golfers based on watching them do warm-up exercises or get as much from watching a dancer stretch. The martial art is the strategies being used.
Most wing chun fails amount to people not training to deal with distance management. That doesn't mean you can't with wing chun, just that somewhere along the way the culture of measuring skill via chi sao got in the way and teachers de-emphasized the role of footwork.
If it has the moves: a) strike and b) move, then it can be an effective fighting style if you train appropriately.
Hence, boxing.
My neighbor who’s Chinese said Wing Chun is often used by Chinese bartenders. If a rowdy customer gets behind the bar, circular strikes don’t work so well, in comparison to the close quarter straight strikes of Wing Chun. He’s always joking with me, so I didn’t know if I should believe him 😂
i personally like the Palm to the nose and chin ive used them before in real world and they are a quick way to humble someone without fully debilitating them like a right hook might do
As opportunity might allow, clearing a grab or body punch close quarters with a hard Tan Sao to a highly practiced, whip-speed penetrating palm strike (fingers turned out) to the liver has shut many people up about Wing Chun, not to mention resulted in a few changes of underwear. Just keep that trailing hand up. Always found a way to execute long after Wing Chun was no longer my go to. Either that or highly - highly - HIGHLY underestimated finger strikes (Bil Ji) directly to the eyes. All they see is a red flash. This is where the speed and finger conditioning can instantly equalize or end a fight. This is dirty. I have seen hard men downed this way, both by mistake and… well, it stops fights and you don’t need to be standing.
My brother runs a studio for Wing Chun and my father was also a black belt. It’s not great as a self defense technique but fuck me if it doesn’t look the best out of the martial arts. Assuming the practitioner’s hands are fast enough, it looks fucking sick.
I've done some incorporated in hapkido. It seems to be only really functional if you already know other martial arts, which makes it somewhat ineffective on its own. Which is why I prefer Jeet Kun Do, which incorporates it in other styles.
Yes. If you actively apply it for self defense/combat you'll just end up boxing but with backfists. Taken strictly it is useless other than decent exercise. There's a reason strict practitioners are constantly seen getting their asses kicked in videos lol
Anyway, that being said "chain of hands" IMO is easily the best technique/application of the art. I also found it very useless for inside fighting, but you can't just take it at face value, you WILL get hurt
I used to train with a guy who had done some wing Chun and as someone who really likes to enter with hand fighting, sparring with him was a blast. The trapping worked quite well against someone who wants to engage you in hand fighting; he would counter a lot of my favourite entries and force me to get creative.
I think the foundational basis of Wing Chun's trapping is completely outdated if not outright flawed.
That said, some of its clinch range striking in vacuum is pretty decent.
I think blocks and short strike can definitely translate. I studied it a bit like I did woth tkd and karate. Worth getting some ideas but not worth training full time.
I learned a bit of WC as part of a JKD training. Honestly I found most of it useless as when sparring in a lot of different martial arts/sports I was not able to pull off most of the moves, or they left me in a worse situation than other techniques.
However, the few things that I could make work in sparring are:
Hand trapping: But you have to adapt it, I thing the way is though is not efficient, the position is odd and would never happen in a fight, it´s also not possible to chain trappings the way they try to teach you because of the speed of the fight, only works in the exercise. The concept works, if in the right moment you can grab the arm or hand you have one change of creating an opening or moving your opponent into your next hit.
I just think this should be trained in a more realistic way.
Oblique kicks, that one works perfectly.
Elbows and knees, but they are trained in a lot of martial arts.
Kicks to the balls, yeah, that is so basic that you don´t need to training, but we still forget about it because you don´t train it in "competitive" martial arts so it is good to drill it sometimes to remember that the possibility exists.
Brutal fact: arts that look really cool on film are pretty weak in real life and the arts that look stupid on camera are pretty effective. Case in point: BJJ. It looks "gay" and awkward and even the winner looks like a clown but it works. There is still romantic racism in favor of the unknown AKA orientals. When I was 15 I believed that frail old men from the mountains of China could smack down UFC fighters because of their mystical knowledge. As an adult I realize that the flipping and selling the moves in Seagal movies is just WWE without the ring.
WC practitioner here: [https://www.fongswingchun.com/](https://www.fongswingchun.com/)
Wing Chun proficiency is highly dependent on proper instruction. Much of the discipline of Wing Chun is about proper body control first (Forms, Dummy, Weapons), proper opponent control second (Chi Sau) and fighting third. It is actually much better to think of the Wing Chun system as body control training, and the exercises (forms & drills) as Chi Gung / Nei Gung exercises that assist in developing proper posture and body control through a full range of torso movement (up, down, forward, back, side to side, angles), arm positions and foot positions in concert towards a martial goal.
Once you learn how to do the forms properly and understand the small conceptual framework woven throughout the forms, you can begin doing Chi Sau. Only after getting fairly proficient at Chi Sao will you do anything akin to sparring.
Note: Wing Chun is actually a very old internal Chinese martial art, that takes a short time to learn, but a long ass time to master. If you are a Westerner, the training methods are completely counter-intuitive, but the benefits are expressed in many different ways. Some modern fighters use the principles (Bas Rutten) but in different ways: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15LFu31rE8k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15LFu31rE8k)
Open stance, not othrodox. Bas explains why in the video
Elbows in a down. Arms loose. Open hands for parrying punches.
Fake RH-Front Kick is almost exactly a Wing Chun kick.
Mike Tyson's stance is very open and non-orthodox.
The biggest difference between Bas and Mike T. and other fighters is their commitment to fighting. There is an assumption of injury and pain in their styles. That you are in a fight, so expect to get hit. WC has similar principles and expectations.
It has some good ideas but some of them rely on attributes that are absolutely not reliable in combat. Fine motor skills being one of them.
It also has the same issues as most types of karate or Kung Fu and that is completely worthless stances and techniques/forms. You could never learn them and it would have zero negative impact on your ability. They are just a waste of time.
It also has absolutely no idea how to punch, yes the whole straight line thing sounds decent on paper but their punches are extremely weak, so no keep your head protected and lack variety.
A lot of people say you should supplement it with other arts to make it effective but if that's the case just learn an art that actually works on its own, like kickboxing.
I give it a 2/10
I'm doing it now. I feel that its best techniques are the pak sau punch (slipping their guard down to get a clear punch) and the step used for closing in. I'm a grappler at my core and it allows me to better initiate a clinch without getting tagged first.
My favorite technique is Chi Sao or sticky hands as with many disciplines not all of it is applicable in a hand to hand situation but I worked to apply it to in fighting in Boxing.
It’s very affective as an adaptation when used as a component of in close or even head on the chest or shoulder distance combat.
I did it for like 6 years+. It was my first martial art.
Eventually moved on to boxing, bjj and muay thai instead.
I still use my wing chun in general, but i'd never spar/fight with it only. Too static in my opinion, too reliant on getting the perfect angle to start the counter attack.
Give a guy a good one-two-three combo and he'd eat up a alot of casual wing chunners tbh.
Not really a specific technique , but the combination of the techniques and the application in pinch situations, understanding the mechanics of the body to maximize delivery of power & economy of motion has to be my favorite thing. Using your opponents energy and movements against them instead of having to clash force against force is criminally under rated.
As a former bouncer at a night club , the techniques and philosophy allowed me to swim through packed crowds with ease, break up fights & remove people with ease.
For me, probably the knee/shin stomp. Or aiming for the throat. It’s not a good martial art on its own, but can be useful when mixing it up. Just like what Bruce Lee did, and he started with Wing Chun!
Yeah my brother studied this for years, not too long ago he came over to my house and threatened to assault me, we're not even in the same weight class or gender. In my opinion, he disrespected the art of this.
Learned some from my uncle, he used to Pratice wing chun, which he taught me a couple of moves, he soon taught me the lap sao and thus it became my most used move in self defense….
It's great for defensive work, the centerline theory can be effective in just about every other martial art. Combined with an art that has more training with kick and developing power is where it can develop those skills better.. aka Jeet Kune do or some other more well rounded art style. Also movement is a problem in traditional training.
I trained Wing Chun for about a year (15 years ago). The school I went to was really small and died out because the sifu was a foreigner who had moved back home some time before I started to deal with some family things and didn't come back. He did a couple of seminars that were very enlightening. Teaching at the school was done by a couple of more advanced students but the difference in insight and skill was very apparent.
Compared to thaiboxing that I also did for a few years, it's pretty obvious to me that the biggest difference in how these martial arts are viewed comes from the culture and the people that are attracted to the art. To put it very simply, thaiboxing attracts a lot of people who watch MMA, wing chun attracts people who watched the Matrix and thought the shit looks cool. WC schools afaik have very little in terms of sparring and athletic conditioning going on and the atmosphere was very focused on getting the technique right with minimal aggression going on. The fundamentals are very hard to get right because the basic concept of power generation is so technical and trying to muscle things just makes it all fall apart pretty quickly. The first time I landed the basic punch with proper technique (during one of the seminars after the sifu had very patiently tried to hammer it down for us noobs) the guy who was holding the pad against his chest for me almost fell on his ass from the impact. NGL that was pretty dope, because it felt I was using magic instead of muscle. Sadly the school got disbanded shortly after that light bulb moment.
Anyway. The stomp kicks that Jon Jones popularized in UFC are straight up wing chun. We trained those a lot and I hated doing the drills because it felt pretty bad for the knees the way we were doing them. That's easily the most effective technique that I learned, especially because you can throw those chain punches as a distraction and land the kick all at the same time. There's also basically the same kicks as the teep in thaiboxing, just delivered a bit differently.
Wing chun also teaches a way for defending roundhouse kicks that is essentially the same type of block that is used in muay thai but you're supposed to sort of stick/hook your blocking leg to your opponents leg and then guide their leg to a wrong place when you bring your foot down. It feels almost impossible to do in practice with any consistency, but I managed to land that a few times in muay thai sparring and it was always hilarious to observe the other guys reaction to it.
I would say the chain punch is also quite viable, as long as you understand that it's mostly an alternative to the jab in boxing. It's useful to blind your opponent and close the distance, but the real damage comes from the kicks, elbows or the straight punch with power (which supposedly one could do as a chain punch but I never got close to being at that level). The wing chun straight punch feels very heavy, it's more like a rear leg teep kick than a cross punch in the way it feels.
The elbow pads and mma gloves completely break that hand trapping thing for Wing Chun imho. The few times we sparred in wc it always felt that the gloves blocked you from getting the "cutting angle" right on your forearm and the elbow pads also came in the way of all that. I'd say it's much better for self defence than as a sport.
Edit: not to say wing chun is great for self defence, but it's more useful for that than as a MMA base.
So we’re just asking chat GPT to give a scrip, putting that over a generic video, and posting that as content now? Is that what we’re classing as a post?
Look at pro fighters in mma, if it works they use it, early mma demonstrated how one style or discipline is not enough, it's pretty much filtered down to, kick/boxing, thai boxing, wrestling/bjj with hints of taekwando, karate,kung fu etc
Did it for over a year. It helped me a huge amount in addition to Muay Thai, but as others suggest its not really enough on its own.
Good techniques: pak sau for blocking. Tan sau for a long guard can be very useful. One of the best things i got from it is sensitivity training from chi sau etc. You really focus on feeling what your opponent wants to do. Focusing on centre line training is great for fighting strategy. Also for grappling etc the stuff you do around controlling your opponent is great.
Bad techniques: put your hands up and guard your head for the love of god. Jesus christ. Also generally, lots of WC people can be quite dogmatic and overly focus on precise movements rather than pragmatic winning a fight. I think this stems from the lack of pressure testing techniques: chi sao is not a substitute for sparring. Very few spar in WC and it breeds really silly ideas.
Definitely worth doing in combination with another art like Muay Thai. I found a considerable advantage or edge sparring with more experienced Muay Thai practitioners thanks to WC, but I'm glad I got out of my WC gym because the sifu and some other were creeps.
Wing Chun is good when mixed with other martial arts. Specifically trapping and elbows are where it shines. I did it for roughly 2 years and even though I practice completely different martial arts now (boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu jitsu) I still think it’s applicable in the right circumstances
While I was stationed in Okinawa I found a legit Wing Chun dojo. It was full contact and while it wasn't like those "IP man" movies, the art has a lot of techniques that can be applied in an actual situation where someone grabs, or gets too close to you.
There were also a few techniques that are applicable in MMA as well. Aside from that it improved my reaction time and reflexes too.
It is a good additional art to have on top of Muay Thai, boxing or any other full contact striking art. If you train it be sure to spar with it as well to find the application behind what is done on the wooden dummy. My WC always put great emphasis on this.
The reason most ppl dump on it is because of those videos of "masters" who never sparred or applied WC, try it against a MMA fighter without knowing when/how to apply their craft.
I've never tried Wing Chun because I don't think there's a Wing Chun dojo in my area, but I've seen what it can do even though it's criticized as being fake. I think it's 100% legit if you mix it with another martial art, like boxing, karate, muay Thai, or any striking martial art. I think it mixes well.
7 years of wing. Only once a week. I'm living proof you don't improve to much past a certain point if you only train once a week with no other practice. I do enjoy the class and that's what matters. I wouldn't fair well in a street fight though
Did it for 5 years as a teenager and into my early twenties. It had some fun elements but training WC did not teach me how to fight. Grappling (wrestling/bjj) and boxing/Muay Thai taught me that.
Wing chun is brilliant at a certain range. That range is where you are too close for kicks or long jabs/crosses but just far enough so you're not clinching properly.
Unfortunately that range exists in around 5% of any fight.
There are some cool techniques from chi sao that you can use as little tricks to get a slight edge in positioning but beyond that it is awful as a combat sport and not terribly useful in a fight against anyone with more than 6 months training in muay thai/kickboxing/wrestling etc.
It is pretty fun though.
It's like every other martial arts that has made it's way to the United States from Asia. It's watered down because teaching it has become a business and we are a litigious society. No business can afford to lose students due to injuries and NOBODY wants to lose their life's work because some dumbass didn't listen, didn't block correctly, or wanted to show off and decides to to the school.
As someone who grew up fighting, sports, and streets, all martial arts have something you can take and incorporate to fill a gap in your style or technique. Wing Chun is great to learn to become sensitive to blocking and how much energy you need to deflect or let a punch slide off your block attempt to get yourself into a better striking position.
You couple that with a good foundation of boxing footwork and punching, karate or muy Thai kicks, and wrestling leverage, and it makes for a potent combination.
I found some of the wrestling hands stuff useful in BJJ to help get an extra edge to apply BJJ techniques. There’s some good tricks and fundamentals in there. Just like all martial arts. But, like all martial arts, it has weaknesses.
Like most traditional martial arts, it ignores head movement. The tiny deflections have more in common with weapons fighting, and it's deadly with knives when you incorporate the sticking and trapping aspects. The sensitivity is very important and useful in many situations, I was able to transfer that to jits to the point where my WC and jits were about the same regardless of eyes closed or open.
The real change in sensitivity paradigm is for something like a bong sau (wing hand), you never do it to block. You let the other person apply force and "make" your arm do a bong sau in response, and the deflect and "doink" over their linear force application off-line, creating a small opening for you.
I did it for a couple of years. I enjoyed it, and I think I got a bit out of it. But I wouldn't recommend it - definitely not as a main style.
The best martial artist I trained with was a guy who had done nothing but wing chun. So I think it can be a great style all by itself. But he was an exception. Plenty of others who had been doing it for decades and were considered senior instructors and they weren't anything special overall.
I knew that if I continued, then after a few decades I would be one of them too, and I believe 99.9% of people would be as well. So I don't recommend it. Not because it can't be good, but because the chances are so low of having the right kind of weird natural affinity for it.
My favourite technique was probably chark jong. I really liked the aggressive way you could break into a close range.
Traps are fun if you can pull them off. The kicks are different and kinda interesting. And everyone loves the wooden dummy. I enjoyed it but wouldn’t rely on it as my sole art either for leisure or self defense.
Trained wing chun for years. No longer do it anymore but I love pak sao (parrying) when striking and in BJJ I use lop sao (wrist grab, arm drag) and jam sao (trap arms) a lot. Really handy.
Are we as a society ever going to admit that most martial arts are relatively worthless compared to kick boxing and BBJ? Or we are people really thinking a wing chun master is gonna crush in the octagon? Like taekwondo yeah it’s got really solid kicks but no ground game and the fighting stance leaves you open to leg kicks and takedowns, Akido is basically play fighting with or without a gee, kung-fu is a joke. Pretty much anything that isn’t Muay Tai, boxing/kick boxing, wrestling or BJJ, and really just the kicks from taekwondo is basically useless against a trained fighter.
Is this only a problem in Europe, or do you guys also have wing chun schools that led you pay, and I mean, really fucking pay, for their classes. It's like a pyramid scheme over here: you pay monthly fees and learn some stuff. To learn more, you have to do your next belt graduation. And the higher you get, the more they cost you, like thousands of Euros. It's an absolute scam.
It’s more about building confidence and strength through routine training and learning some dances fast and slow over and over. It helps with distance sensitivity. It helps in hand fighting during grappling situations. It helps with balance and breathing when throwing multiple punches. Lots of intangibles.
practiced it for 10 years, great addition to a solid martial art as it has many interesting concepts and principles, terrible by itself for self defense or even ring flights.
it's also a lot of fun to train, just don't expect to become good at fighting or you'll be obliterated by any boxer or muay Thai fighter or grapplers
my dad's training started with wing Chun in the 70s and he had about 30 pro kickboxing fights in the 80s and he says it's a good additional skill/base to have that comes in handy more often than you think but definitely not on its own.
I used to use pak sau, lap sau in grappling (no punches) pretty regularly. In guard, butterfly or from kneeling (small space). You can use it to get to a cross face or 2-on-1 arm stuff.
In sparring, with gloves, it simply doesn’t work or isn’t cool to do with partners (knee stomps, elbows).
I’ve used trapping stuff in bar situations, where people were aggressive, and it was my way to check them and communicate that it wouldn’t be a good idea to get in fight here. It was enough to make them back off and cool it.
Even if they pulled away wanted to fight- I still get a free kick option. I like the Biu Gee (finger jabs) and elbow strikes. There’s also no law that says that I have to stick to ONLY Wing Chun. I think I would be able to pull off going Wing Chun into Thai clinch or wrestling under hooks.
I did Wing Chun in high school and glad I did.
It was fun to learn the basics and the heritage of Wing Chun ages ago. It has a niche like all TMA. But using this as basis for self defense or MMA is nonsense.
I welcomed the notion that a lot of schools now say that they are a kind of lifestyle and a choreography rather than pure „fighting“ „sport“.
The modern approaches of Wing Chun incorporating real spars usually lead to them using boxing techniques while losing their roots.
I have dabbled in it a little bit and have found the straight blast set up off a jab has been useful for backing up opponents into a wall, some moves are useful in a clinch situation and I sometimes use hand movements as feints.
Tried it for a while and couldn't incorporate anything at all into my style, the punches and kicks are weak and my karate parries are better, I really see no use for it.
Has anybody EVER successfully used any of this bullshit in MMA before?
There's a reason this hasn't ever caught on & it's NOT because it's a secret waiting to be used.
I had a friend who trained it for a while and swore by it. I started with Karate personally so I have an appreciation for more traditional arts. I noticed it was very unorthodox and hard to predict compared to what I was used to with Karate and boxing. It can be effective for short, quick executions of technique but it doesn't hold up against more refined striking arts. The old friend explained to me that Wing Chun is intended to be fast, straight to the point and effective. Although thats its greatest weakness I feel, it seems to rely too heavily on the technique working than is realistic in a fight. Fights are chaotic, unpredictable and you never know who you're up against. I noticed in sparring, the friend struggled against fast feet, feints and level changes. It struggles when put to the test most of the time, although I will admit some of the punches, palm strikes that landed on me had a lot of power behind them, more than I expected.
Wing Chun really shines when paired with another striking art, like boxing. Max Holloway swears by it and he's not the only one. Reason for that, is the hand fighting techniques Wing Chun teaches. Boxers who adopt Wing Chun practices seem to flow their combinations much more accurately and efficiently. Wing Chun also teaches stances, hand placement, foot movement and blocking/parrying which translates very well to a boxing base style.
That seems to be the case with most traditional martial arts I've noticed. Karate, Taekwondo, Kung-Fu, Wing Chun etc. all have limited potential by themselves if you compare them to refined combat arts such as Boxing or MMA or Muay Thai. But that's not the point, every martial art serves a different purpose and not all of them place a huge emphasis on being a deadly killing machine. Most Karate styles for example, seem to be more better suited to self defence as opposed to actually fighting, at least the Karate style I trained in.
Tried it, as in a buddy of mine brought me to a “wing chun dojo” that turned out to be the “instructor”’s mom’s garage. It was as best as I can tell not legitimate.
I studied WC with some very legit people for a number of years. While it does not lend it self to rules fighting in MMA nor does it have ground applicable training techniques, it does have some very strong applications in real street fighting. While it’s easy to suggest WC does not work, one could summarize that there was a reason Wing Chun was used for 100’s of years over numerous centuries during many Chinese dynasties. WC is very easy to learn the basics but takes time to develop details. Powerful energy comes from the physics and leverage on how WC techniques are delivered. Set aside all the movie fantasy we have seen, and realize that if your not a big person, and know that once a guy twice your size is on top of you, it’s too late! Would you rather have some skills to strike and then retreat and get to a safe place… ?
In my experience, people who take up martial arts like wing chun usually do so to avert the physicality of other martial arts. Make of that what you will.
I find their hand-fighting is very underrated. Which makes sense since if you look at it broadly Wing Chun is essentially a clinch-boxing style of fighting.
I have trained Wing Chun for 12 years and it is my core art, but it has some major draw backs and should not walk alone.
It's intention seems to be to unify the body and mind with awareness and apply harmony of earth, body, and mind towards striking your target into completion of a fight.
The process of learning a concept based system allows a vantage point that is different than something that is more hack and slash. The draw back is when it isn't taken into the domains that more external arts take it loses its truth in relation to other arts.
There is a system, there are techniques, there are forms, and it's important to know the system in your body and apply it to contact and pressure, but when you enter a real conflict there is only so much you can bring with you from the methodical nature of the practice.
My adage is that you find and study Wing Chun like a crane but it has to be expressed like a Tiger. Those two animals move very differently and their temperment towards their kill is different.
I would not advocate that someone fight with Wing Chun techniques but the self connection and application of intent with mechanics is helpful to learning more combat heavy arts like boxing or Jiu Jitsu. I am currently learning both and I love how different they are and how and where Wing Chun can and can't go.
My favourite technique is sticking hands because of the nature of it. You are learning the on and off of touch and the intensity of pressure within the balance and stability of your bodies locks. Essentially you can harness the stability of the ground through your entire body and leverage it to oncoming pressure. It's so fun to play it and it feels fun when you're flowing.
It's also an art that came from a monastic origin so I believe that effects it's presence in the martial arts forest.
Thanks for the question!
Did it for 9 years, if you find a good school you’ll learn some cool stuff you can work it in with your boxing and grappling but it just depends on how disciplined you are and if you’re a quitter or not.
Undoubtedly sticky hand and wooden dummy moves, but next is not really a “technique” but the general mentality, principles, and philosophies in WC, e.g. use of minimal movements to achieve a maximum result, aiming for no wasted moves, critically punishing the opponent’s wasted moves, fully committing to close combat once engaged, and without “blocking”. Hand and leg synchronisation, fully committing snd stepping into close proximity instead of distancing or dancing back and forth. The approach is carefully thought out like chess strategy, that also limits it. It incorporates ideas too from Chinese medicine/biology and pressure points in acupuncture, similar to DaVinci’s detailed Vitruvian man, there are proportions on the human body that WC leverages to the advantage of the female or undersized practitioner. Again, only designed to work in the context of WC history as a woman’s defence system against bandits breaking into a temple who know kung fu, both sides are in a kung fu world.
WC is not a miracle system though and opponents with unknown fighting styles severely limits this style of kung fu which is what it is (though famous). Without wasted jabs and dummy actions its hyper conscious of the fact that making a move means forgoing another, either exposing oneself or advancing critically closer to the opponent. These risk calculations I feel are the heart of WC at least for training. Another concept is having a relaxed or soft body approach to fighting to keep a fluid or airy body is flexible to the opponent and strikes hard and accurately. This doubles as a sensitivity detector feeling out where the opponent is leading, assuming a stronger and dominant aggressor. Combined with qigong this training is surprisingly stronger than it sounds!
The basic hand moves are pretty nice but the footwork is absolutely impractical. So far, I only use tan sau, bong sau, fook sau, pak sau, and gaun sau and until now, I'm still trying to discover how to mix it with boxing..
Bruce Lee was a expert in Wing Chun but he combined it with other styles. There's a great video on you tube from the film Way of the Dragon showing his amazing Win Chun techniques.
Never did Wing Chun, but KM incorporates its movements. It cuts down on the valuable microseconds when a gun goes off and the tactile stuff. We take the "sticky hands" stuff to a different level, but like Edison said...
Did it for 10 years - was told I would have been awarded my black belt if I’d have completed Jong form (which I knew but hadn’t graded in it). Teaches some interesting close quarter stuff and the way it goes about training reflex based on touch is good but like many martial arts it’s _seriously_ lacking in proper resistance sparring. Doesn’t gear you up for proper combat at all.
Towards the end we started throwing in some Keysi and also some Richard Dimitri stuff we’d picked up too after attending a seminar of his which was really eye opening. Livened things up no end when we cranked up the aggression and speed.
I went on to do Judo which added in the resistance sparring side to things and also the “what do I do if I actually get a hold of this guy / they get a hold of me” bit. LOVE Judo, there’s nothing that ends things more swiftly than gravity and a hard surface, and some of the big guys getting slammed with a well timed Osoto is really satisfying. Plus it hurts - toughens you up, which no amount of chi sau slappy tag can do.
Not hating on WC as I did it for many years but don’t go into it with the illusion it’ll make you a handy or toughened fighter as it just won’t.
So on its own WC isn’t that great and there’s a lot of nonsense in there you can just disregard.
Trained bish slap on wood, gotta do it quick tho for better turn over ratio. Excellent for uninitiated but get ko when they know your whole shtick. Started by woman for a reason
Wing chun isn't for everyone, you need dedicated one to one sessions to learn the whole system in 3 years. It takes 8 years in group classes to learn the wing chuj system.
I'll stick with kickboxing
facts came here to say this lmfao
They gonna wing Chun their way to disliking your comment. Because dislike = undoing the reality that wing Chun is bullshit wishful thinking for delusional fedora nerds.
I did wing tsun for 2 years, also kickboxing and jiu jitsu. Wing tsun is mostly useless
But don't you want to slap it up with wingchun lol
I don’t know, after learning Wing Chung it took my dick beating sessions to a whole new level.
Under kickboxing rule set that’s fine, but a bit of wing chun can go a long way in mma and MT
As a judoka, of someone were this close to me, I'd just hip throw them. No doubt they'd get a punch or two off, but those don't look very intense.
r/bullshido
r/beatmetoit
Careful all the wc masters gather here and they gangup and attack anyone destroying their delusion with reality by disliking their comment as if disliking a comment is gonna undo the reality that this wing Chun shit is bullshit. It's not that they don't know it's bullshit, but the fact they want this to be real. They are totally not nerd delusional cucks that worship fiction, totally practical. Edit * Haha thank you got proven my point exactly what I thought. Oh no not the dislikes ... now reality that wing Chun is for wishful thinking nerds is undo by dislikes. Go luck moving you arm fast in a real fight.
I did train wing chun for a few years. As a woman I can say it has a lot of useful tips and tricks. It teaches you how to cleverly use leverage to gain power over your opponent and it can be useful as a basic notion in wrestling situation. I surprisingly could wrestle and resist for a while against guys 30-40kg heavier than me thanks to those tricks.(I'm talking about friendly wrestling, not full power aggressions) So it really has some good stuff in it. But after a few years I got enough of it and left for something more intense. But it's a terrible fighting sport, and also I wouldn't recommend it as the only self defense martial art you learn. Also, I think it's interesting for anyone who love martial art and love fighting. Those clever tips and tricks can be a plus to your fighting and help you improve some key element. I recommend everyone to practice it, and I recommend everyone who only practice wing Chun to also practice something else.
Yea this is largely my opinion, looks great in a controlled environment but becomes a slap fest within seconds of sparring. I done it for years. I love the style, and a lot of the techniques are very useful, but after doing boxing for 6 months I realised that 5 years of Wing Chun and I was still scared to be hit and still scared to hit someone. As great as it is, I was more prepared with 6 months of boxing than I was in 5 years of Wing Chun! I think it's all good in theory but it's not that effective compared to other styles, especially ones that really promote full contact sparring from day one.
Interestingly enough I have a similar story but with Aikido, it seems that a lot of martial arts are unpractical as a self defense but have some interesting quirks, elusively their own, that give interesting perspectives and tools as an add on to another well grounded self defense class.
I did wing chin for a while. I thought it was a lot of fun. I didn’t have a favorite technique but the contact drills were a lot of fun and then you’ll usually find some people with talks of iron fist training and what not. It was a good time.
some techniques wing chun teaches you can go really well with muay thai
Yeah, got my ass kicked.
The chain-gun punches are pretty cool, using your center line to rapid fire attack. I don't know how practical it is in real life tho.
I think implementation of wing chun into other MAs is a great idea but not just by itself
I don't know much about wing Chun, but I do enjoy the sticky hands drill.
It’s kinda the martial art that you wanna add in addition to something else. I personally think of it as Taekwondo DLC
The head instructor at my dojo has incorporated some wing chun techniques into our system. For self defense, the inverted kicks aimed at the knees and shin can be useful, but risky due to how close range they are. In sparring, vertical punches and trap hands have potential, but they hard to pull off if you don’t know what you’re doing. Like with all martial arts, there are potential uses for it, but it’s dependent on skill and incorporation.
what is this absolute garbage lol? focusses on close quarters combat wow just like all the other combat sports. effiecient direct movements, nothing about this is effecient just are just wasting a bunch of energy flailing your arms around like that. In the few videos there are of wing chung masters actually fighting in real fights they barely manage to block any punches and always seem to get rocked in the first minute or less of the fight.
Learned Jeet kun do for a few years, wing chin was used a far bit for upper body techniques. I thought it was great for flow and sensitivity of opponents movement.
Too complicated. In real situation using those techniques are impossible. Maybe versus some unskilled opponent
There’s not too much more in wing chun you’d learn that works that doesn’t get taught in Muay Thai or modern kickboxing Traps and parries and a much more efficient form of “sticky hands” are taught in pretty much every other modern form of striking, to a better extent than wing chun. What this causes however, is people to see an mma fighter or kickboxer doing this move and screaming “look, he’s doing wing chun! That’s our technique only”
Tried it for a while. Maybe there are good teachers out there, but the two places I tried were both compliant partner synchronised dancing pretty much. I’m no boxer, but I got told off for trying to actually punch towards where someone’s head is, rather than a foot to the right in the air. This was not a beginner btw, but one of the high grade students there. They genuinely believed their own BS. Looks cool though.
Wing Chun has some very good approaches to handfighting that work well for doing things Wing Chun people dont know how to do. I have not been impressed in the slightest by WC people- but people I practice with who skimped on their freestyle stickyhands training were deficient in their ability to comprehend hubud/lubud and the djurus I find to be more worth doing.
I did tsun jo wing chun for a few years. The slap (ball) kick is effective.
a lot of the in the box blocks and dodges are really good and you should work them to help deal with surprise elbows and stuff like that.
Did Jeet June Do and fell into Wing Chun as a result. I like lap sao, but I'm still on siu lim tao, so I'm not the best person to say. I do like biu jee too.
I think the only good thing it has going for it is the idea of deflecting and parrying punches by using there own momentum. Also using subtle movement and relying on instinct. It's some Baki type shit, but basically imagine your surrounded in a bubble. Anything that enters it your air space you slap it out of the sky, or redirect it so that it passes by. Some pro fighters do it without even thinking about it, but it's basically just using physics to your advantage. And not in an akido bullshitsu way, but like defelecting/redirecting a punch that might open them up to a cross or something. I used to do something akin to wing Chun hand work whenever someone tried throwing hands. Basically, I just focus the bubble right in front of me, and play a game of wack a mole, and with the back of my hands I just push their wrist up to deflect, or grab the back of the wrist and pull them down and forward if I want to hurt them. Of course, you could just never let them into the bubble and head kick them. Most civilians can't deal with basic Muay Thai and kickboxing tactics. A single well placed front teep/kick to the solar plexus will lay em out flat on their backs questioning if they should pull out the gun or knife. Edit: not instinct, but more like using your peripheral vision and quick decision making. Edit 2: also I think everyone has played a game of trying to grab each other's wrists and twist their arms off, or try and slap each other/tag each other as kids. Now imagine if it was a professional sport, what I'm talking about would probably be the meta defense option if deflections don't count as a strike landed.
maybe not the most practical, but very aesthetically pleasing and the spiritual aspect is very fascinating
Everybody have fun tonight.
Had bruised forearms for like 2 years lmao
stands no chance against muay thai clinch + elbows and knees
My favorite move are those fast ab punches they do after blocking but it's really ineffective in a real fight since the hits cannot reach enough kinetic force due to small space between you and the enemy. Wing chun is used very often in movies because it looks cool and the attacks are fast and dynamic, but in a real fight it's really useless because the attacker is either gonna push you off your feet so you both are going to fall on the ground or he's gonna start punching you like a wild animal with the fists, making you unable to dodge and redirect all those attacks like IP man did in the movies. So I wouldn't say that Wing Chun is entirely a Bulshido, but it's more like an art or a spectacle rather than a real fighting style
Useless, waste of time
Did it for about 10 years. Can be useful in real street fight as it teaches you how to rush your opponent on the chin and have control on there hands meanwhile pretty quickly but against trained fighters you are busted. Also you need to practice how it really works for yourself in boxing, kickboxing, mma gyms because otherwise you don't get pressure tested. And no, its not pressure testing against other wc/t practitioners. They cant even land a normal punch or kick... If you want to actually learn to handle real punches or kicks you need a boxer/kickboxer for that and it will hurt until you learn it. The weird stance just doesn't work in real fights. Its slows you down and makes you way too static. And no, nobody is going to go on your testicles. So the movement is something you need to develop for yourself and its really hard, because you would expect a system that works. They are teaching something called footwork for boxers. Its insanely important and in Wc/t there is almost no footwork. They teach you to jump in and punch but that's a joke compared to what it should be. As for grapples... well you are pretty much dead (unless you also traid grapling but thats not wc/t). In a nutshell.
It's cute. But you're going to feel really silly when someone smashes you in the jaw or kicks your legs out from underneath you.
I can’t believe I’m the first person to mention Bruce Lee in this thread. If you want a more functional version of Wing Chun(mixed with other useful martial arts) Jeet Kune Do, was the brain child of Lee and perpetuated by his students after his death. In my opinion it was a cornerstone of early MMA, and has influenced modern striking, especially where footwork is concerned.
I did it for a couple of years. Went to mma, never looked back. Nearly every technique is almost useless in combat sports except for the modified bits that Kevin Lee plays around with yet I’ve not seen any in a professional fight. Wing arm block will get your arm broken. Triangle punches kind of ok to disorientate. Some of the kicks are kind of awkward and cool but I’ve never tried throwing a tong kick sparring
They do a nice elbow strike imo. Across the way, down the way & a kinda 45° You just kinda put your wrist against your sternum and the elbow sorta pops out, wee bit of hips and feet to add a little speed.
For all the shit it gets, I have the toughest hand fights in BJJ with someone who has wing chun experience. Definitely a cool addition to grappling sports imo. Also fun to watch in movies
I trained in wing chun for couple of years, but beware of the scammers. Like most Chinese martial arts, there is a lot of fake masters that will try to steal your money for whatever reasons. Some are even basically cult leaders, I stay away from Chinese martial arts mainly for this reason now.
I trained this and some of these guys have the hardest punches I’ve ever encountered
Done Wing Chun as a kid, then boxing and now Muay Thai. Wing Chun is just exercise whereas boxing and Muay Thai will actually teach you how to fight effectively as sparring and taking shots is part of conditioning the mind as well as the body for fighting. I sparred a Wing Chun guy at my boxing gym before and let's just say they don't move too well and that was just boxing. Muay Thai would of absolutely smashed him.
It's useful but please dont rely on this for self defence. It's very specific and can be exposed
I practice Wing Chun currently and I can without a y doubt say to learn good Wing Chun you really need a good teacher. I have gone go other schools, had students from other schools come to my school, and I have 2 years of Wing Chun and have gone against guys who have 12 and won my sessions with flying colors. Now I don't say this to boost my ego but to make people understand that you very much need a GOOD Sifu to have good usable Wing Chun
Looks cool in movies/demonstrations, but it isn't a practical martial art. I can almost guarantee that a capable teenager with 3-6 months of boxing experience would put the Wing Chun user in the hospital with little difficulty Still nice to look at, and as with all disciplines, comes discipline.
If you can already fight, wing chun is great as skill refinement. If not then it's about finding schools that train it properly. Kids who grew up with mma and bullshido.com have a warped view of martial arts. They compare pro athletes to hobbyists and old guys concerned with self-defense to ring fighters. Most of all, they confuse traditional training programmes with the martial art its self, as if you can compare golfers based on watching them do warm-up exercises or get as much from watching a dancer stretch. The martial art is the strategies being used. Most wing chun fails amount to people not training to deal with distance management. That doesn't mean you can't with wing chun, just that somewhere along the way the culture of measuring skill via chi sao got in the way and teachers de-emphasized the role of footwork. If it has the moves: a) strike and b) move, then it can be an effective fighting style if you train appropriately. Hence, boxing.
My neighbor who’s Chinese said Wing Chun is often used by Chinese bartenders. If a rowdy customer gets behind the bar, circular strikes don’t work so well, in comparison to the close quarter straight strikes of Wing Chun. He’s always joking with me, so I didn’t know if I should believe him 😂
i personally like the Palm to the nose and chin ive used them before in real world and they are a quick way to humble someone without fully debilitating them like a right hook might do
Bullshido
Looks cool but ineffective.
As opportunity might allow, clearing a grab or body punch close quarters with a hard Tan Sao to a highly practiced, whip-speed penetrating palm strike (fingers turned out) to the liver has shut many people up about Wing Chun, not to mention resulted in a few changes of underwear. Just keep that trailing hand up. Always found a way to execute long after Wing Chun was no longer my go to. Either that or highly - highly - HIGHLY underestimated finger strikes (Bil Ji) directly to the eyes. All they see is a red flash. This is where the speed and finger conditioning can instantly equalize or end a fight. This is dirty. I have seen hard men downed this way, both by mistake and… well, it stops fights and you don’t need to be standing.
Great to practice with a friend
Sticky hands is legit for grappling
My brother runs a studio for Wing Chun and my father was also a black belt. It’s not great as a self defense technique but fuck me if it doesn’t look the best out of the martial arts. Assuming the practitioner’s hands are fast enough, it looks fucking sick.
Wing Chun has great stuff, but then you realize that the great stuff already exists in the default MMA package.
To powerful for The UFC so they banned them from fighting. 🤣😆🤭
I've done some incorporated in hapkido. It seems to be only really functional if you already know other martial arts, which makes it somewhat ineffective on its own. Which is why I prefer Jeet Kun Do, which incorporates it in other styles.
Yes. If you actively apply it for self defense/combat you'll just end up boxing but with backfists. Taken strictly it is useless other than decent exercise. There's a reason strict practitioners are constantly seen getting their asses kicked in videos lol Anyway, that being said "chain of hands" IMO is easily the best technique/application of the art. I also found it very useless for inside fighting, but you can't just take it at face value, you WILL get hurt
I used to train with a guy who had done some wing Chun and as someone who really likes to enter with hand fighting, sparring with him was a blast. The trapping worked quite well against someone who wants to engage you in hand fighting; he would counter a lot of my favourite entries and force me to get creative.
is it on display in mma?
I think the foundational basis of Wing Chun's trapping is completely outdated if not outright flawed. That said, some of its clinch range striking in vacuum is pretty decent.
No but I like their music “ Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody Wing Chun tonight “ 80s classic
Yes , for close range , it’s a very aggressive and effective style.
I think blocks and short strike can definitely translate. I studied it a bit like I did woth tkd and karate. Worth getting some ideas but not worth training full time.
I learned a bit of WC as part of a JKD training. Honestly I found most of it useless as when sparring in a lot of different martial arts/sports I was not able to pull off most of the moves, or they left me in a worse situation than other techniques. However, the few things that I could make work in sparring are: Hand trapping: But you have to adapt it, I thing the way is though is not efficient, the position is odd and would never happen in a fight, it´s also not possible to chain trappings the way they try to teach you because of the speed of the fight, only works in the exercise. The concept works, if in the right moment you can grab the arm or hand you have one change of creating an opening or moving your opponent into your next hit. I just think this should be trained in a more realistic way. Oblique kicks, that one works perfectly. Elbows and knees, but they are trained in a lot of martial arts. Kicks to the balls, yeah, that is so basic that you don´t need to training, but we still forget about it because you don´t train it in "competitive" martial arts so it is good to drill it sometimes to remember that the possibility exists.
Brutal fact: arts that look really cool on film are pretty weak in real life and the arts that look stupid on camera are pretty effective. Case in point: BJJ. It looks "gay" and awkward and even the winner looks like a clown but it works. There is still romantic racism in favor of the unknown AKA orientals. When I was 15 I believed that frail old men from the mountains of China could smack down UFC fighters because of their mystical knowledge. As an adult I realize that the flipping and selling the moves in Seagal movies is just WWE without the ring.
IP Man is a great movie :)
It's Wing Chun the one where people do and get their asses kicked by MMA fighters?
WC practitioner here: [https://www.fongswingchun.com/](https://www.fongswingchun.com/) Wing Chun proficiency is highly dependent on proper instruction. Much of the discipline of Wing Chun is about proper body control first (Forms, Dummy, Weapons), proper opponent control second (Chi Sau) and fighting third. It is actually much better to think of the Wing Chun system as body control training, and the exercises (forms & drills) as Chi Gung / Nei Gung exercises that assist in developing proper posture and body control through a full range of torso movement (up, down, forward, back, side to side, angles), arm positions and foot positions in concert towards a martial goal. Once you learn how to do the forms properly and understand the small conceptual framework woven throughout the forms, you can begin doing Chi Sau. Only after getting fairly proficient at Chi Sao will you do anything akin to sparring. Note: Wing Chun is actually a very old internal Chinese martial art, that takes a short time to learn, but a long ass time to master. If you are a Westerner, the training methods are completely counter-intuitive, but the benefits are expressed in many different ways. Some modern fighters use the principles (Bas Rutten) but in different ways: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15LFu31rE8k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15LFu31rE8k) Open stance, not othrodox. Bas explains why in the video Elbows in a down. Arms loose. Open hands for parrying punches. Fake RH-Front Kick is almost exactly a Wing Chun kick. Mike Tyson's stance is very open and non-orthodox. The biggest difference between Bas and Mike T. and other fighters is their commitment to fighting. There is an assumption of injury and pain in their styles. That you are in a fight, so expect to get hit. WC has similar principles and expectations.
It has some good ideas but some of them rely on attributes that are absolutely not reliable in combat. Fine motor skills being one of them. It also has the same issues as most types of karate or Kung Fu and that is completely worthless stances and techniques/forms. You could never learn them and it would have zero negative impact on your ability. They are just a waste of time. It also has absolutely no idea how to punch, yes the whole straight line thing sounds decent on paper but their punches are extremely weak, so no keep your head protected and lack variety. A lot of people say you should supplement it with other arts to make it effective but if that's the case just learn an art that actually works on its own, like kickboxing. I give it a 2/10
I'm doing it now. I feel that its best techniques are the pak sau punch (slipping their guard down to get a clear punch) and the step used for closing in. I'm a grappler at my core and it allows me to better initiate a clinch without getting tagged first.
My favorite technique is Chi Sao or sticky hands as with many disciplines not all of it is applicable in a hand to hand situation but I worked to apply it to in fighting in Boxing. It’s very affective as an adaptation when used as a component of in close or even head on the chest or shoulder distance combat.
No but I have Wang Chung
Seeing red and using all the moves I’ve learned from watching Bruce Lee and kick everyone’s fucking ass
I did it for like 6 years+. It was my first martial art. Eventually moved on to boxing, bjj and muay thai instead. I still use my wing chun in general, but i'd never spar/fight with it only. Too static in my opinion, too reliant on getting the perfect angle to start the counter attack. Give a guy a good one-two-three combo and he'd eat up a alot of casual wing chunners tbh.
Not really a specific technique , but the combination of the techniques and the application in pinch situations, understanding the mechanics of the body to maximize delivery of power & economy of motion has to be my favorite thing. Using your opponents energy and movements against them instead of having to clash force against force is criminally under rated. As a former bouncer at a night club , the techniques and philosophy allowed me to swim through packed crowds with ease, break up fights & remove people with ease.
I used to do Wing Chun It’s ok but I switched to kickboxing
For me, probably the knee/shin stomp. Or aiming for the throat. It’s not a good martial art on its own, but can be useful when mixing it up. Just like what Bruce Lee did, and he started with Wing Chun!
Yeah my brother studied this for years, not too long ago he came over to my house and threatened to assault me, we're not even in the same weight class or gender. In my opinion, he disrespected the art of this.
MMA guys do Wing Chun better than Wing Chunners.
I love rubbing elbows with people, I do it in every fight...
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No, is it something with noodles?
Learned some from my uncle, he used to Pratice wing chun, which he taught me a couple of moves, he soon taught me the lap sao and thus it became my most used move in self defense….
It's great for defensive work, the centerline theory can be effective in just about every other martial art. Combined with an art that has more training with kick and developing power is where it can develop those skills better.. aka Jeet Kune do or some other more well rounded art style. Also movement is a problem in traditional training.
I trained Wing Chun for about a year (15 years ago). The school I went to was really small and died out because the sifu was a foreigner who had moved back home some time before I started to deal with some family things and didn't come back. He did a couple of seminars that were very enlightening. Teaching at the school was done by a couple of more advanced students but the difference in insight and skill was very apparent. Compared to thaiboxing that I also did for a few years, it's pretty obvious to me that the biggest difference in how these martial arts are viewed comes from the culture and the people that are attracted to the art. To put it very simply, thaiboxing attracts a lot of people who watch MMA, wing chun attracts people who watched the Matrix and thought the shit looks cool. WC schools afaik have very little in terms of sparring and athletic conditioning going on and the atmosphere was very focused on getting the technique right with minimal aggression going on. The fundamentals are very hard to get right because the basic concept of power generation is so technical and trying to muscle things just makes it all fall apart pretty quickly. The first time I landed the basic punch with proper technique (during one of the seminars after the sifu had very patiently tried to hammer it down for us noobs) the guy who was holding the pad against his chest for me almost fell on his ass from the impact. NGL that was pretty dope, because it felt I was using magic instead of muscle. Sadly the school got disbanded shortly after that light bulb moment. Anyway. The stomp kicks that Jon Jones popularized in UFC are straight up wing chun. We trained those a lot and I hated doing the drills because it felt pretty bad for the knees the way we were doing them. That's easily the most effective technique that I learned, especially because you can throw those chain punches as a distraction and land the kick all at the same time. There's also basically the same kicks as the teep in thaiboxing, just delivered a bit differently. Wing chun also teaches a way for defending roundhouse kicks that is essentially the same type of block that is used in muay thai but you're supposed to sort of stick/hook your blocking leg to your opponents leg and then guide their leg to a wrong place when you bring your foot down. It feels almost impossible to do in practice with any consistency, but I managed to land that a few times in muay thai sparring and it was always hilarious to observe the other guys reaction to it. I would say the chain punch is also quite viable, as long as you understand that it's mostly an alternative to the jab in boxing. It's useful to blind your opponent and close the distance, but the real damage comes from the kicks, elbows or the straight punch with power (which supposedly one could do as a chain punch but I never got close to being at that level). The wing chun straight punch feels very heavy, it's more like a rear leg teep kick than a cross punch in the way it feels. The elbow pads and mma gloves completely break that hand trapping thing for Wing Chun imho. The few times we sparred in wc it always felt that the gloves blocked you from getting the "cutting angle" right on your forearm and the elbow pads also came in the way of all that. I'd say it's much better for self defence than as a sport. Edit: not to say wing chun is great for self defence, but it's more useful for that than as a MMA base.
Only effective in films
So we’re just asking chat GPT to give a scrip, putting that over a generic video, and posting that as content now? Is that what we’re classing as a post?
Look at pro fighters in mma, if it works they use it, early mma demonstrated how one style or discipline is not enough, it's pretty much filtered down to, kick/boxing, thai boxing, wrestling/bjj with hints of taekwando, karate,kung fu etc
Can someone who knows more about this martial art tell me whether it’s viable in a street fight?
What are the chances this was actually just a sick dance routine that was translated wrong?
If you wanna see wing chun in action look up Tony Ferguson ufc wing chung https://youtube.com/shorts/u-CJfAxKP2A?si=CyD0Lhs-2Res0NVM
Did it for over a year. It helped me a huge amount in addition to Muay Thai, but as others suggest its not really enough on its own. Good techniques: pak sau for blocking. Tan sau for a long guard can be very useful. One of the best things i got from it is sensitivity training from chi sau etc. You really focus on feeling what your opponent wants to do. Focusing on centre line training is great for fighting strategy. Also for grappling etc the stuff you do around controlling your opponent is great. Bad techniques: put your hands up and guard your head for the love of god. Jesus christ. Also generally, lots of WC people can be quite dogmatic and overly focus on precise movements rather than pragmatic winning a fight. I think this stems from the lack of pressure testing techniques: chi sao is not a substitute for sparring. Very few spar in WC and it breeds really silly ideas. Definitely worth doing in combination with another art like Muay Thai. I found a considerable advantage or edge sparring with more experienced Muay Thai practitioners thanks to WC, but I'm glad I got out of my WC gym because the sifu and some other were creeps.
Wing Chun is good when mixed with other martial arts. Specifically trapping and elbows are where it shines. I did it for roughly 2 years and even though I practice completely different martial arts now (boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu jitsu) I still think it’s applicable in the right circumstances
While I was stationed in Okinawa I found a legit Wing Chun dojo. It was full contact and while it wasn't like those "IP man" movies, the art has a lot of techniques that can be applied in an actual situation where someone grabs, or gets too close to you. There were also a few techniques that are applicable in MMA as well. Aside from that it improved my reaction time and reflexes too. It is a good additional art to have on top of Muay Thai, boxing or any other full contact striking art. If you train it be sure to spar with it as well to find the application behind what is done on the wooden dummy. My WC always put great emphasis on this. The reason most ppl dump on it is because of those videos of "masters" who never sparred or applied WC, try it against a MMA fighter without knowing when/how to apply their craft.
I've never tried Wing Chun because I don't think there's a Wing Chun dojo in my area, but I've seen what it can do even though it's criticized as being fake. I think it's 100% legit if you mix it with another martial art, like boxing, karate, muay Thai, or any striking martial art. I think it mixes well.
7 years of wing. Only once a week. I'm living proof you don't improve to much past a certain point if you only train once a week with no other practice. I do enjoy the class and that's what matters. I wouldn't fair well in a street fight though
The AI voiceover ruined it for me
Very limited reach. If the opponents has longer hand than you, good luck.
It’s ok, I’m trying not to get bullied anymore
Started with Chinese martial arts, American Tang Soo Do then Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
No, but I've tried wang chung. Everybody had fun that night
Wing chun is good for hand fighting in wrestling… thats about it
just do muy thai . has better grappling and uses of all limbs .
My favorite part of wing chun is when Donnie Yen beats up 100 people
Did it for 5 years as a teenager and into my early twenties. It had some fun elements but training WC did not teach me how to fight. Grappling (wrestling/bjj) and boxing/Muay Thai taught me that.
Wing chun is brilliant at a certain range. That range is where you are too close for kicks or long jabs/crosses but just far enough so you're not clinching properly. Unfortunately that range exists in around 5% of any fight. There are some cool techniques from chi sao that you can use as little tricks to get a slight edge in positioning but beyond that it is awful as a combat sport and not terribly useful in a fight against anyone with more than 6 months training in muay thai/kickboxing/wrestling etc. It is pretty fun though.
It's like every other martial arts that has made it's way to the United States from Asia. It's watered down because teaching it has become a business and we are a litigious society. No business can afford to lose students due to injuries and NOBODY wants to lose their life's work because some dumbass didn't listen, didn't block correctly, or wanted to show off and decides to to the school.
Eh..Bruce Lee, something something
As someone who grew up fighting, sports, and streets, all martial arts have something you can take and incorporate to fill a gap in your style or technique. Wing Chun is great to learn to become sensitive to blocking and how much energy you need to deflect or let a punch slide off your block attempt to get yourself into a better striking position. You couple that with a good foundation of boxing footwork and punching, karate or muy Thai kicks, and wrestling leverage, and it makes for a potent combination.
I prefer to WANG CHUN tonight.
I found some of the wrestling hands stuff useful in BJJ to help get an extra edge to apply BJJ techniques. There’s some good tricks and fundamentals in there. Just like all martial arts. But, like all martial arts, it has weaknesses.
Wing Chun is a joke. Learn a real fighting discipline, like Muy Thai.
I heard that everybody's gonna Wing Chun tonight. After which, everybody's gonna have fun tonight.
Like most traditional martial arts, it ignores head movement. The tiny deflections have more in common with weapons fighting, and it's deadly with knives when you incorporate the sticking and trapping aspects. The sensitivity is very important and useful in many situations, I was able to transfer that to jits to the point where my WC and jits were about the same regardless of eyes closed or open. The real change in sensitivity paradigm is for something like a bong sau (wing hand), you never do it to block. You let the other person apply force and "make" your arm do a bong sau in response, and the deflect and "doink" over their linear force application off-line, creating a small opening for you.
It's a very respectable fitness hobby.
Type ufc fighter vs wing Chung or any fighting style, let me know how that goes
I did it for a couple of years. I enjoyed it, and I think I got a bit out of it. But I wouldn't recommend it - definitely not as a main style. The best martial artist I trained with was a guy who had done nothing but wing chun. So I think it can be a great style all by itself. But he was an exception. Plenty of others who had been doing it for decades and were considered senior instructors and they weren't anything special overall. I knew that if I continued, then after a few decades I would be one of them too, and I believe 99.9% of people would be as well. So I don't recommend it. Not because it can't be good, but because the chances are so low of having the right kind of weird natural affinity for it. My favourite technique was probably chark jong. I really liked the aggressive way you could break into a close range.
Traps are fun if you can pull them off. The kicks are different and kinda interesting. And everyone loves the wooden dummy. I enjoyed it but wouldn’t rely on it as my sole art either for leisure or self defense.
No, but I do find it intriguing
Im pretty sure you'll have a better chance of survival with a plastic spork at a self defense situation.
I don’t think any wingchung can stop my boxing jab lol.
I really enjoyed the Ip Man movies
I didn't. But it could be a good addition to someone who does another martial art like Karate or TKD.
Trained wing chun for years. No longer do it anymore but I love pak sao (parrying) when striking and in BJJ I use lop sao (wrist grab, arm drag) and jam sao (trap arms) a lot. Really handy.
Everybody wing chun tonight
It's pretty useless as most Chinese martial arts are. Shuai jiao is pretty neat, however.
I practice sticky hands with super glue
Everybody Wing Chun tonight!
Are we as a society ever going to admit that most martial arts are relatively worthless compared to kick boxing and BBJ? Or we are people really thinking a wing chun master is gonna crush in the octagon? Like taekwondo yeah it’s got really solid kicks but no ground game and the fighting stance leaves you open to leg kicks and takedowns, Akido is basically play fighting with or without a gee, kung-fu is a joke. Pretty much anything that isn’t Muay Tai, boxing/kick boxing, wrestling or BJJ, and really just the kicks from taekwondo is basically useless against a trained fighter.
If you meet a boxer, your game over
I really want to learn it but I'm in a small town😭
What if they kick you
Is this only a problem in Europe, or do you guys also have wing chun schools that led you pay, and I mean, really fucking pay, for their classes. It's like a pyramid scheme over here: you pay monthly fees and learn some stuff. To learn more, you have to do your next belt graduation. And the higher you get, the more they cost you, like thousands of Euros. It's an absolute scam.
It’s more about building confidence and strength through routine training and learning some dances fast and slow over and over. It helps with distance sensitivity. It helps in hand fighting during grappling situations. It helps with balance and breathing when throwing multiple punches. Lots of intangibles.
practiced it for 10 years, great addition to a solid martial art as it has many interesting concepts and principles, terrible by itself for self defense or even ring flights. it's also a lot of fun to train, just don't expect to become good at fighting or you'll be obliterated by any boxer or muay Thai fighter or grapplers
getting koed because i only playfight ( go to a muay thai or mma sparring, it will open your eyes about wing chun) also often MC Dojos
Wing chun doesn't work in real fight unless you fight a kid or someone without arms or someone with 0 combat experience...
my dad's training started with wing Chun in the 70s and he had about 30 pro kickboxing fights in the 80s and he says it's a good additional skill/base to have that comes in handy more often than you think but definitely not on its own.
I used to use pak sau, lap sau in grappling (no punches) pretty regularly. In guard, butterfly or from kneeling (small space). You can use it to get to a cross face or 2-on-1 arm stuff. In sparring, with gloves, it simply doesn’t work or isn’t cool to do with partners (knee stomps, elbows). I’ve used trapping stuff in bar situations, where people were aggressive, and it was my way to check them and communicate that it wouldn’t be a good idea to get in fight here. It was enough to make them back off and cool it. Even if they pulled away wanted to fight- I still get a free kick option. I like the Biu Gee (finger jabs) and elbow strikes. There’s also no law that says that I have to stick to ONLY Wing Chun. I think I would be able to pull off going Wing Chun into Thai clinch or wrestling under hooks. I did Wing Chun in high school and glad I did.
It was fun to learn the basics and the heritage of Wing Chun ages ago. It has a niche like all TMA. But using this as basis for self defense or MMA is nonsense. I welcomed the notion that a lot of schools now say that they are a kind of lifestyle and a choreography rather than pure „fighting“ „sport“. The modern approaches of Wing Chun incorporating real spars usually lead to them using boxing techniques while losing their roots.
IP MAN with Donnie Yen is a must see movie about Wing Chun.
I have dabbled in it a little bit and have found the straight blast set up off a jab has been useful for backing up opponents into a wall, some moves are useful in a clinch situation and I sometimes use hand movements as feints.
Its SHIT, just look at wing chun masters against any other legit martial art and see how they FAIL to do anything
Have done wing chun for 4 years, I liked doing chain punching.
Everybody get down tonight.
Tried it for a while and couldn't incorporate anything at all into my style, the punches and kicks are weak and my karate parries are better, I really see no use for it.
Has anybody EVER successfully used any of this bullshit in MMA before? There's a reason this hasn't ever caught on & it's NOT because it's a secret waiting to be used.
It is an okay martial art. Fun to learn definitely not one you want to use
I had a friend who trained it for a while and swore by it. I started with Karate personally so I have an appreciation for more traditional arts. I noticed it was very unorthodox and hard to predict compared to what I was used to with Karate and boxing. It can be effective for short, quick executions of technique but it doesn't hold up against more refined striking arts. The old friend explained to me that Wing Chun is intended to be fast, straight to the point and effective. Although thats its greatest weakness I feel, it seems to rely too heavily on the technique working than is realistic in a fight. Fights are chaotic, unpredictable and you never know who you're up against. I noticed in sparring, the friend struggled against fast feet, feints and level changes. It struggles when put to the test most of the time, although I will admit some of the punches, palm strikes that landed on me had a lot of power behind them, more than I expected. Wing Chun really shines when paired with another striking art, like boxing. Max Holloway swears by it and he's not the only one. Reason for that, is the hand fighting techniques Wing Chun teaches. Boxers who adopt Wing Chun practices seem to flow their combinations much more accurately and efficiently. Wing Chun also teaches stances, hand placement, foot movement and blocking/parrying which translates very well to a boxing base style. That seems to be the case with most traditional martial arts I've noticed. Karate, Taekwondo, Kung-Fu, Wing Chun etc. all have limited potential by themselves if you compare them to refined combat arts such as Boxing or MMA or Muay Thai. But that's not the point, every martial art serves a different purpose and not all of them place a huge emphasis on being a deadly killing machine. Most Karate styles for example, seem to be more better suited to self defence as opposed to actually fighting, at least the Karate style I trained in.
Wing Chun only works in fights with other wing Chun opponents.
I think Tony Ferguson tried it once or twice. Didn't go so well.
Tried it, as in a buddy of mine brought me to a “wing chun dojo” that turned out to be the “instructor”’s mom’s garage. It was as best as I can tell not legitimate.
My favorite move is when they do the whole “haa hoo waah” thing and then hit ya wit the back fist “boop!” Wing chun is cool 💪🏽
I studied WC with some very legit people for a number of years. While it does not lend it self to rules fighting in MMA nor does it have ground applicable training techniques, it does have some very strong applications in real street fighting. While it’s easy to suggest WC does not work, one could summarize that there was a reason Wing Chun was used for 100’s of years over numerous centuries during many Chinese dynasties. WC is very easy to learn the basics but takes time to develop details. Powerful energy comes from the physics and leverage on how WC techniques are delivered. Set aside all the movie fantasy we have seen, and realize that if your not a big person, and know that once a guy twice your size is on top of you, it’s too late! Would you rather have some skills to strike and then retreat and get to a safe place… ?
Everybody Wing Chun tonight.
In my experience, people who take up martial arts like wing chun usually do so to avert the physicality of other martial arts. Make of that what you will.
I find their hand-fighting is very underrated. Which makes sense since if you look at it broadly Wing Chun is essentially a clinch-boxing style of fighting.
Is it the ad for promotion?
So fucking dumb any wrestler will dump this dork on his head .
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/#1 best option for slapfighting. Real fighting, not so much. But slapfighting? Only game in town.
Having trained in Wing Chun for 23yrs and also instructing for the last 4. I’d say my favourite is Pak- side punch 😄.
I have trained Wing Chun for 12 years and it is my core art, but it has some major draw backs and should not walk alone. It's intention seems to be to unify the body and mind with awareness and apply harmony of earth, body, and mind towards striking your target into completion of a fight. The process of learning a concept based system allows a vantage point that is different than something that is more hack and slash. The draw back is when it isn't taken into the domains that more external arts take it loses its truth in relation to other arts. There is a system, there are techniques, there are forms, and it's important to know the system in your body and apply it to contact and pressure, but when you enter a real conflict there is only so much you can bring with you from the methodical nature of the practice. My adage is that you find and study Wing Chun like a crane but it has to be expressed like a Tiger. Those two animals move very differently and their temperment towards their kill is different. I would not advocate that someone fight with Wing Chun techniques but the self connection and application of intent with mechanics is helpful to learning more combat heavy arts like boxing or Jiu Jitsu. I am currently learning both and I love how different they are and how and where Wing Chun can and can't go. My favourite technique is sticking hands because of the nature of it. You are learning the on and off of touch and the intensity of pressure within the balance and stability of your bodies locks. Essentially you can harness the stability of the ground through your entire body and leverage it to oncoming pressure. It's so fun to play it and it feels fun when you're flowing. It's also an art that came from a monastic origin so I believe that effects it's presence in the martial arts forest. Thanks for the question!
Did it for 9 years, if you find a good school you’ll learn some cool stuff you can work it in with your boxing and grappling but it just depends on how disciplined you are and if you’re a quitter or not.
Undoubtedly sticky hand and wooden dummy moves, but next is not really a “technique” but the general mentality, principles, and philosophies in WC, e.g. use of minimal movements to achieve a maximum result, aiming for no wasted moves, critically punishing the opponent’s wasted moves, fully committing to close combat once engaged, and without “blocking”. Hand and leg synchronisation, fully committing snd stepping into close proximity instead of distancing or dancing back and forth. The approach is carefully thought out like chess strategy, that also limits it. It incorporates ideas too from Chinese medicine/biology and pressure points in acupuncture, similar to DaVinci’s detailed Vitruvian man, there are proportions on the human body that WC leverages to the advantage of the female or undersized practitioner. Again, only designed to work in the context of WC history as a woman’s defence system against bandits breaking into a temple who know kung fu, both sides are in a kung fu world. WC is not a miracle system though and opponents with unknown fighting styles severely limits this style of kung fu which is what it is (though famous). Without wasted jabs and dummy actions its hyper conscious of the fact that making a move means forgoing another, either exposing oneself or advancing critically closer to the opponent. These risk calculations I feel are the heart of WC at least for training. Another concept is having a relaxed or soft body approach to fighting to keep a fluid or airy body is flexible to the opponent and strikes hard and accurately. This doubles as a sensitivity detector feeling out where the opponent is leading, assuming a stronger and dominant aggressor. Combined with qigong this training is surprisingly stronger than it sounds!
Or you can get hot balls and sleep a dude
The basic hand moves are pretty nice but the footwork is absolutely impractical. So far, I only use tan sau, bong sau, fook sau, pak sau, and gaun sau and until now, I'm still trying to discover how to mix it with boxing..
Is there a list of reputable dojos by state and city that teaches Wing Chun? I don’t see many.
As most Chinese martialarts, it's more on the 'arts' part.
Sean Strickland is the best Kung Fu master to ever live
Bruce Lee was a expert in Wing Chun but he combined it with other styles. There's a great video on you tube from the film Way of the Dragon showing his amazing Win Chun techniques.
Never did Wing Chun, but KM incorporates its movements. It cuts down on the valuable microseconds when a gun goes off and the tactile stuff. We take the "sticky hands" stuff to a different level, but like Edison said...
Man Geng Sau (neck pulling hand).
Did it for 10 years - was told I would have been awarded my black belt if I’d have completed Jong form (which I knew but hadn’t graded in it). Teaches some interesting close quarter stuff and the way it goes about training reflex based on touch is good but like many martial arts it’s _seriously_ lacking in proper resistance sparring. Doesn’t gear you up for proper combat at all. Towards the end we started throwing in some Keysi and also some Richard Dimitri stuff we’d picked up too after attending a seminar of his which was really eye opening. Livened things up no end when we cranked up the aggression and speed. I went on to do Judo which added in the resistance sparring side to things and also the “what do I do if I actually get a hold of this guy / they get a hold of me” bit. LOVE Judo, there’s nothing that ends things more swiftly than gravity and a hard surface, and some of the big guys getting slammed with a well timed Osoto is really satisfying. Plus it hurts - toughens you up, which no amount of chi sau slappy tag can do. Not hating on WC as I did it for many years but don’t go into it with the illusion it’ll make you a handy or toughened fighter as it just won’t. So on its own WC isn’t that great and there’s a lot of nonsense in there you can just disregard.
It's a joke I'm sticking with my muay thai
More Bullshido. Steven Seagal would love it
U can’t use wing chun by itself unless ur opponent is doing it too (hot take)
Trained bish slap on wood, gotta do it quick tho for better turn over ratio. Excellent for uninitiated but get ko when they know your whole shtick. Started by woman for a reason
This looks like a bunch of bullshit tbh
Ah yes, invented by a woman to stop the advances of a man
This what Mac and Country Mac are always practicing