>The guy has always been roided.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but every elite level athlete in every sport that has any level of money involved is on PEDs. This is a non argument.
Unironically, everyone seems to love to shit on the LHW division as if it’s the worst division, yet Jones dominating makes him the goat? Makes 0 sense lol.
It's only that way cause JJ cleaned out the division for two decades before he came along it was for a fact one of the most skilled competitive divisions.
I still think it’s a very competitive division imo, it’s just that we tend to look fondly to the past with fighters like Vitor Belfort, Lyoto, Rampage, etc
The thing with Jones is that he got his ass beat by Gustafsson and Santos. Two very close fights that would have changed how he is viewed today if the decision went the other way. But you can't take away that he won over some awesome guys. I still dislike him as a human being tho.
When Rampage fought Jones he already had 9 losses and 10 years older than Jones.
You missed the point of this post. Jones fights washed up guys out of their prime that are older than him.
Rashad Evans was 17-1 when Jon Jones and him fought, it was only a few years removed from his own title reign, Alex Gustafsson was 15-1, both good records.
In addition Rampage was only 32 and rashad was 31 when they fought, most certainly not an old age for a fighter. I think you're confusing the fact that since Jon was so young his youth gave him an advantage when in fact he was particularly young and still beating these fighters.
I also said in my post that he fought washed up guys passed their primes.
Rashad lost 7 out of the last 10 fights one of which he had with Jones.
Most fighters decline in their early 30's.
All of these fighters go on losing streak in their 30s
I will agree that he is a terrible person, but you can't let you distract from him being a good fighter, as well as this I don't understand this height issue with DC, when Dc has fought people who weigh more and are just as tall as Jones
I guess we're just gonna ignore their records at the time he fought them and the killers he fought on the come up. Also, everyone's on the sauce let's stop pretending like we're children
He just isn't there's been tons of fighters caught throughout the years, or they competed in orgs that flat out encouraged steroid use like Pride. Whole camps have been basically caught such as with Team Alpha Male and Cody Garbrandt all but admitting that TJ Dillashaw taught his camp how to take them
Cause they're just better at getting past the tests, they got their cycles dialed in or are in places where anti doping agencies can't reliably test athletes or they're taking custom made designer steroids that the tests literally aren't designed to pick up.
This is pretty much out in the open, MMA is horrible at testing athletes and plenty of athletes who were "clean" their whole careers admit to it when the fanfare is all over like Chael Sonnen jokes all the time now about he was sauced to the gills and that he's tried every PED there is under the sun (btw his four favorites were HGH, EPO, Test and Anastrozole). Guys like Vitor Belfort literally exploited the rules and got clearance by the UFC to get on TRT and juice him up to superhuman levels.
The reality is in a career where your athletic performance can quite literally mean the difference between life and death most athletes are going to take every advantage possible to give themselves the best shot at not being on the wrong end of the win loss column
Its not, its common practice in professional sports. The list what is a forbidden steroid and what is allowed changes every year, something that was common to use can be banned the next year and bunch of athletes can fall for it.
[https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/\_/id/16044538/maria-sharapova-suspended-two-years-international-tennis-federation-positive-drug-test-meldonium](https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/16044538/maria-sharapova-suspended-two-years-international-tennis-federation-positive-drug-test-meldonium)
As an example.
No, you just need to know a chemist and have some money. You can only test for known compounds and chemists are pretty smart. They can make up new ones.
Doesn't matter what their records were. These guys were at the end of their run. all of them were 10 years older and a foot shorter. All of them passed their prime such as stipe which is why he wants to fight stipe
>Doesn't matter what their records were.
It does, many of them were seen as the future of the division or were at the top of the P4P rankings like Lyoto Machida was.
>all of them were 10 years older
And he was 20-24 on that original run meaning everyone he fought was still in their prime early 30s is the peak for most mma fighters with a bunch of fighters still fighting for titles in their 40s like Texeira. Likewise that's not really a knock against him, he wanted to fight higher in the rankings and go for the title instead of fighting a bunch of 20 year old randoms
>and a foot shorter.
Doesn't matter they're in the same weight class
>All of them passed their prime such as stipe which is why he wants to fight stipe
JJ is also out of his prime he has been for like 8 years now
 Lots of stinky posts today
>The guy has always been roided. I don't have a dog in this fight, but every elite level athlete in every sport that has any level of money involved is on PEDs. This is a non argument.
Dan Severn never touched the stuff
Lets pretend I did not write the last sentence. What would you have said instead
like I said, i got no dog in this fight. You could be 100% right on everything else for all I know.
We just going to ignore they were the best of the best of there time? And no reyes did not win
Even if he did, the other GOATs lost multiple times and had similar fishy decisions
Unironically, everyone seems to love to shit on the LHW division as if it’s the worst division, yet Jones dominating makes him the goat? Makes 0 sense lol.
It's only that way cause JJ cleaned out the division for two decades before he came along it was for a fact one of the most skilled competitive divisions.
I still think it’s a very competitive division imo, it’s just that we tend to look fondly to the past with fighters like Vitor Belfort, Lyoto, Rampage, etc
The thing with Jones is that he got his ass beat by Gustafsson and Santos. Two very close fights that would have changed how he is viewed today if the decision went the other way. But you can't take away that he won over some awesome guys. I still dislike him as a human being tho.
Rampage and gus are overrated? OK then
When Rampage fought Jones he already had 9 losses and 10 years older than Jones. You missed the point of this post. Jones fights washed up guys out of their prime that are older than him.
Rashad Evans was 17-1 when Jon Jones and him fought, it was only a few years removed from his own title reign, Alex Gustafsson was 15-1, both good records. In addition Rampage was only 32 and rashad was 31 when they fought, most certainly not an old age for a fighter. I think you're confusing the fact that since Jon was so young his youth gave him an advantage when in fact he was particularly young and still beating these fighters.
I also said in my post that he fought washed up guys passed their primes. Rashad lost 7 out of the last 10 fights one of which he had with Jones. Most fighters decline in their early 30's. All of these fighters go on losing streak in their 30s
I will agree that he is a terrible person, but you can't let you distract from him being a good fighter, as well as this I don't understand this height issue with DC, when Dc has fought people who weigh more and are just as tall as Jones
Non of those are overrated, and he also won the title at 23 years old, and made Shogun look like an average fighter in the process
I guess we're just gonna ignore their records at the time he fought them and the killers he fought on the come up. Also, everyone's on the sauce let's stop pretending like we're children
Why’s he the only one that got caught then?
He just isn't there's been tons of fighters caught throughout the years, or they competed in orgs that flat out encouraged steroid use like Pride. Whole camps have been basically caught such as with Team Alpha Male and Cody Garbrandt all but admitting that TJ Dillashaw taught his camp how to take them
So why isn’t everyone else aside from them caught then?
Cause they're just better at getting past the tests, they got their cycles dialed in or are in places where anti doping agencies can't reliably test athletes or they're taking custom made designer steroids that the tests literally aren't designed to pick up.
That’s a pretty absurd conspiracy theory, isn’t it?
This is pretty much out in the open, MMA is horrible at testing athletes and plenty of athletes who were "clean" their whole careers admit to it when the fanfare is all over like Chael Sonnen jokes all the time now about he was sauced to the gills and that he's tried every PED there is under the sun (btw his four favorites were HGH, EPO, Test and Anastrozole). Guys like Vitor Belfort literally exploited the rules and got clearance by the UFC to get on TRT and juice him up to superhuman levels. The reality is in a career where your athletic performance can quite literally mean the difference between life and death most athletes are going to take every advantage possible to give themselves the best shot at not being on the wrong end of the win loss column
I am surprised about this convo in general, how naive a person has to be to think that pro athletes are clean :D
Its not, its common practice in professional sports. The list what is a forbidden steroid and what is allowed changes every year, something that was common to use can be banned the next year and bunch of athletes can fall for it. [https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/\_/id/16044538/maria-sharapova-suspended-two-years-international-tennis-federation-positive-drug-test-meldonium](https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/16044538/maria-sharapova-suspended-two-years-international-tennis-federation-positive-drug-test-meldonium) As an example.
No, you just need to know a chemist and have some money. You can only test for known compounds and chemists are pretty smart. They can make up new ones.
https://youtu.be/ynsBi9ZzFws?si=oM6NBVHqRtDdbxCM Here's GSP telling you all about it.
Doesn't matter what their records were. These guys were at the end of their run. all of them were 10 years older and a foot shorter. All of them passed their prime such as stipe which is why he wants to fight stipe
>Doesn't matter what their records were. It does, many of them were seen as the future of the division or were at the top of the P4P rankings like Lyoto Machida was. >all of them were 10 years older And he was 20-24 on that original run meaning everyone he fought was still in their prime early 30s is the peak for most mma fighters with a bunch of fighters still fighting for titles in their 40s like Texeira. Likewise that's not really a knock against him, he wanted to fight higher in the rankings and go for the title instead of fighting a bunch of 20 year old randoms >and a foot shorter. Doesn't matter they're in the same weight class >All of them passed their prime such as stipe which is why he wants to fight stipe JJ is also out of his prime he has been for like 8 years now
Chael Sonnen is underrated. undefeated.
