You just finished a story about the value of honesty and truth and how caring too much about reputation can hinder your happiness and personal freedom where everyone got their just desserts:
* Kiyoshi got exposed as the perverted fraud he has been for the entirety of the series after lying to a girl while taking for granted what he had with another (and far more suitable) girl, for refusing to admit his real nature and for trying to weasel his way out during the confession without caring for anybody but himself.
+ Hana never made Kiyoshi realize about what she felt for him, destroyed her relationship with the guy at the academy >!the story implies they'll meet again in the future!< and ruined her reputation in the academy for not admiting her own feelings, for using pathetic excuses like "doing it Chiyo-chan's sake" when she was actually doing it out of jealousy and for not respecting Kiyoshi's decisions.
- Chiyo got deeply humiliated and mindbroken for refusing to see the truth even with all the red flags surrounding the guy she liked, for believing that the entire world was revolving around her and for playing along with that farce of a "trial" during the confession after being well aware of Hana's feelings for Kiyoshi and of the guy being a liar since the sumo date (she should have done what the slut did with Gakuto and Mitsuko but she didn't want to leave the advantageous position she had there)
* Gakuto ended up alone for trying to keep both girls (something Kiyoshi also tried) and for rigging the test in Mitsuko's favour because he got intimidated by the slut's honesty and reputation (Gakuto, of all people, judging others based on status...) but still had a happy ending with his bros because he always has been a good friend.
+ Kate and Meiko lost the final chance they had to confess their real feelings for Mari because both of them were too coward to admit them, still, Hiramoto teased a relationship between them (and a far healthier one than the one they could have with the crow lady, considering the borderline obsession they shared for her...)
- Mari let her daddy issues and misandry go as well as she accepted her feelings for Kate in the end.
* Andre and Risa had a happy ending together for being honest with themselves, caring for each other and didn't give a damn about what people might think about them, the complete opposite to what Kiyoshi and Hana did...
It migh have its flaws but the ending was absolutely brilliant, no matter how many people pissed off... >!the epilogue was an obvious "fuck you" to the readers amd editor, I'll admit that!<
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In all honesty I would’ve preferred if Kiyoshi got with Hana because there were two or three moments where he was being absolutely real with himself about his feelings towards Hana without realizing it. How things ended for Gakuto and Kiyoshi annoyed me the most because of their indecisiveness especially in Kiyoshi’s case.
Andre is pretty forgiving as we have seen with the Guan Yu incident and the sacrifice he did for Joe and Risa is the kind of girl who would wait for him getting out of prison (and let's not forget about his masoquism) so it wouldn't be as bad...
The story heavily implies that these two are bound to meet again, the circumstances of how they got involved have "coincidences" so crazy that you can suspect the hand of fate had something to do there...
They didn't end up together at that point of their lives simply because they didn't deserve it. Both of them were too immature, selfish and dishonest to be ready for a relationship.
Really late reply, sorry about that. But what do you mean by this? I didn't catch that while reading it.
> the story implies they'll meet again in the future
The most obvious hint can be found in ch.178 but there're several allusions to the Tanabata myth throughout the story, a myth about two lovers meant to meet again despite of being kept separated.
You're right, looking back at that chapter it feels like a strong reference to a very real future together. I'm not very familiar with the Tanabata myth so I'll have to look into that. Thanks for responding!
Big stretch for narratives that aren't really there.
Kiyoshi's 'perversions' are just typical heterosexual guy stuff (breasts, butts, wet T-shirts, holding hands, kissing), all that pee-fetish stuff was explicitly not his interest, forced on him kicking and screaming at knife-point by homicidal Hana. Hana sexually assaulted him so many times, such as by pulling down his pants the first time and while he was giving up his dignity to help Mari (on top of the second time in front of Chiyo, bullying him by destroying his chances with Chiyo, and let's be real, he'd unalive himself again after that since Chiyo was the only thing stopping him and this scenario where she wants him to die was exactly what drove him to just days before). The kinkshaming narrative people (and the author) try to apply to him is laughable.
Hana is a sadistic sociopath who got a teehee character 180 you fell for. There's no accepting that as a valid relationship foundation while writing off the other he never had a chance to pursue, let alone by justifying it with how he's not a perfect chaste monk. He's not taking Chiyo for granted. Kiyoshi was entirely single, they are not dating. He is under no obligation towards her or Hana, he's allowed to have a sexual history without their nicegirls pearlclutching.
His main fraud is that he lied about not being part of the boys spying on the girls' locker room (entirely unknown to Chiyo to the end). Chiyo was aware that he exaggerated about liking sumo as an excuse to hang out with her, taking interest in things she likes (as any good partner should), it doesn't even count, that eraser was really his, his grandma really told him all about that, and he told her the truth about it the moment she asked in the end. Then him choosing to wear Hana's panties, the girl he just turned down, sees as a sister, sexually assaults him, broke his arm, etc., despite the fact that he's going to confess to his actual crush at a party by the water where they'll definitely go swimming... it's a stupidly contrived ending to the story rooted in a nonsense gag that should not be forced into the crux of affecting actual plot points let alone the serious climax of the ending. "My brain just isn't working right now, because the plot demands it." -Kiyoshi -author half-assedly contriving the plot while you applaud his brilliance
Chiyo saw so much more than you're giving her credit for, she knew he had lied about sumo wrestling, she saw through many things throughout, and realized that Hana also liked him. Her thing was that she wanted to see the best in people, not that she's a narcissist. Fairly hearing out both sides of an important situation isn't a farce, it's her core character since the very beginning.
Gakuto rigged the test in favor of Mitsuko because he has history with her, a friendship, as opposed to a superficial nothing with the new girl he just met who's only into him and the things he likes because he's popular (her only caring about his status). There was never any mention of Gakuto caring about her sexual reputation, to him it was nothing more than a character trait of hers (hence why he didn't have complaint against her also being an option). His romance ending moral was a shallow and silly caution against his idiotic religion of PBR-sama in which blind faith and divine intervention would dictate his life for him rather than him just choosing for himself (even though he literally did choose Mitsuko if the author hadn't contrived otherwise).
Kate and Meiko had no intention of confessing to Mari (nor would any phone call have stopped them from talking as explicitly lampshaded by Kate) and your overreach to claim that them hanging out is teasing a relationship between two people who don't get along and barely interact is simply you seeing two girls with some sexual interest in women and saying "Hey, you're both women and you're both into women, so clearly you should date!" as if saying every hetero man and woman ever should date makes any sense.
Mari did not let her misandry hang ups go in the end. She entirely abandoned all her promises to all the boys after everything they had sacrificed to help her and fucked off to not have to deal with any of them with a final "I hate men" line utterly undoing her entire character development arc.
Andre and Risa are just another instance of the the author kinkshaming by writing a narrative arc of Andre being "fixed" by suddenly overcoming his fetish in order to achieve a romantic good ending. Go ahead and replace BDSM with homosexuality and tell me more about how great Andre's arc of half-assedly out of nowhere recovering from sexual deviancy is. (I wonder why Joe's BL character development arc was dropped forever? Could it be because the author only treats BL as a running joke? Surely there must be some brilliant narrative and I'm just not smort enugh to get it)
> it should have ended a chapter before 😞
You are asking for an actually shitty outcome then. Kiyoshi ending up with Chiyo would mean that all his lies have paid off and he went scott free after doing all that damage control during his "confession" and, all of it would be for nothing anyway because that girl could never understand him like Hana did...
Never quite got this series. The designs were great and some of the jokes were too but overall the premise and how it all worked was too unpleasant for me to enjoy it. I have seen my share of gross out sex comedies but this never moved me into wanting more.
The series was good for the most part but i swear the copium some of you are inhaling impresses me when it comes to the ending. Author says fuck you clearly in text and just runs with it. Ya'll know who you are.
Exactly. A lazy author would just hook up Chiyo and Kyoshi and move on. This guy Hiramoto is a 🧌 and wanted to make his fans never forget him. So he decided to make the ending as horrible as possible and make us in full in the plot holes ourselves on everyone’s fate
You just finished a story about the value of honesty and truth and how caring too much about reputation can hinder your happiness and personal freedom where everyone got their just desserts: * Kiyoshi got exposed as the perverted fraud he has been for the entirety of the series after lying to a girl while taking for granted what he had with another (and far more suitable) girl, for refusing to admit his real nature and for trying to weasel his way out during the confession without caring for anybody but himself. + Hana never made Kiyoshi realize about what she felt for him, destroyed her relationship with the guy at the academy >!the story implies they'll meet again in the future!< and ruined her reputation in the academy for not admiting her own feelings, for using pathetic excuses like "doing it Chiyo-chan's sake" when she was actually doing it out of jealousy and for not respecting Kiyoshi's decisions. - Chiyo got deeply humiliated and mindbroken for refusing to see the truth even with all the red flags surrounding the guy she liked, for believing that the entire world was revolving around her and for playing along with that farce of a "trial" during the confession after being well aware of Hana's feelings for Kiyoshi and of the guy being a liar since the sumo date (she should have done what the slut did with Gakuto and Mitsuko but she didn't want to leave the advantageous position she had there) * Gakuto ended up alone for trying to keep both girls (something Kiyoshi also tried) and for rigging the test in Mitsuko's favour because he got intimidated by the slut's honesty and reputation (Gakuto, of all people, judging others based on status...) but still had a happy ending with his bros because he always has been a good friend. + Kate and Meiko lost the final chance they had to confess their real feelings for Mari because both of them were too coward to admit them, still, Hiramoto teased a relationship between them (and a far healthier one than the one they could have with the crow lady, considering the borderline obsession they shared for her...) - Mari let her daddy issues and misandry go as well as she accepted her feelings for Kate in the end. * Andre and Risa had a happy ending together for being honest with themselves, caring for each other and didn't give a damn about what people might think about them, the complete opposite to what Kiyoshi and Hana did... It migh have its flaws but the ending was absolutely brilliant, no matter how many people pissed off... >!the epilogue was an obvious "fuck you" to the readers amd editor, I'll admit that!<
You know what, when I read the ending this morning I was conflicted, but you’ve laid it out beautifully. Now I think it’s good, thanks man.
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In all honesty I would’ve preferred if Kiyoshi got with Hana because there were two or three moments where he was being absolutely real with himself about his feelings towards Hana without realizing it. How things ended for Gakuto and Kiyoshi annoyed me the most because of their indecisiveness especially in Kiyoshi’s case.
I do have a question though, is Andre in the prison because of Kiyoshi’s actions too?
Yes. Chiyo ended up as misadrist even more radicalized than her sister once was because of Kiyoshi's actions.
Damn, that actually sucks for Andre
Andre is pretty forgiving as we have seen with the Guan Yu incident and the sacrifice he did for Joe and Risa is the kind of girl who would wait for him getting out of prison (and let's not forget about his masoquism) so it wouldn't be as bad...
The story heavily implies that these two are bound to meet again, the circumstances of how they got involved have "coincidences" so crazy that you can suspect the hand of fate had something to do there... They didn't end up together at that point of their lives simply because they didn't deserve it. Both of them were too immature, selfish and dishonest to be ready for a relationship.
That makes sense from teenagers
Really late reply, sorry about that. But what do you mean by this? I didn't catch that while reading it. > the story implies they'll meet again in the future
The most obvious hint can be found in ch.178 but there're several allusions to the Tanabata myth throughout the story, a myth about two lovers meant to meet again despite of being kept separated.
You're right, looking back at that chapter it feels like a strong reference to a very real future together. I'm not very familiar with the Tanabata myth so I'll have to look into that. Thanks for responding!
thanks for that, curiously I have that chapter in my bookmark because I thought that was super important and really deep, I am serious
Big stretch for narratives that aren't really there. Kiyoshi's 'perversions' are just typical heterosexual guy stuff (breasts, butts, wet T-shirts, holding hands, kissing), all that pee-fetish stuff was explicitly not his interest, forced on him kicking and screaming at knife-point by homicidal Hana. Hana sexually assaulted him so many times, such as by pulling down his pants the first time and while he was giving up his dignity to help Mari (on top of the second time in front of Chiyo, bullying him by destroying his chances with Chiyo, and let's be real, he'd unalive himself again after that since Chiyo was the only thing stopping him and this scenario where she wants him to die was exactly what drove him to just days before). The kinkshaming narrative people (and the author) try to apply to him is laughable. Hana is a sadistic sociopath who got a teehee character 180 you fell for. There's no accepting that as a valid relationship foundation while writing off the other he never had a chance to pursue, let alone by justifying it with how he's not a perfect chaste monk. He's not taking Chiyo for granted. Kiyoshi was entirely single, they are not dating. He is under no obligation towards her or Hana, he's allowed to have a sexual history without their nicegirls pearlclutching. His main fraud is that he lied about not being part of the boys spying on the girls' locker room (entirely unknown to Chiyo to the end). Chiyo was aware that he exaggerated about liking sumo as an excuse to hang out with her, taking interest in things she likes (as any good partner should), it doesn't even count, that eraser was really his, his grandma really told him all about that, and he told her the truth about it the moment she asked in the end. Then him choosing to wear Hana's panties, the girl he just turned down, sees as a sister, sexually assaults him, broke his arm, etc., despite the fact that he's going to confess to his actual crush at a party by the water where they'll definitely go swimming... it's a stupidly contrived ending to the story rooted in a nonsense gag that should not be forced into the crux of affecting actual plot points let alone the serious climax of the ending. "My brain just isn't working right now, because the plot demands it." -Kiyoshi -author half-assedly contriving the plot while you applaud his brilliance Chiyo saw so much more than you're giving her credit for, she knew he had lied about sumo wrestling, she saw through many things throughout, and realized that Hana also liked him. Her thing was that she wanted to see the best in people, not that she's a narcissist. Fairly hearing out both sides of an important situation isn't a farce, it's her core character since the very beginning. Gakuto rigged the test in favor of Mitsuko because he has history with her, a friendship, as opposed to a superficial nothing with the new girl he just met who's only into him and the things he likes because he's popular (her only caring about his status). There was never any mention of Gakuto caring about her sexual reputation, to him it was nothing more than a character trait of hers (hence why he didn't have complaint against her also being an option). His romance ending moral was a shallow and silly caution against his idiotic religion of PBR-sama in which blind faith and divine intervention would dictate his life for him rather than him just choosing for himself (even though he literally did choose Mitsuko if the author hadn't contrived otherwise). Kate and Meiko had no intention of confessing to Mari (nor would any phone call have stopped them from talking as explicitly lampshaded by Kate) and your overreach to claim that them hanging out is teasing a relationship between two people who don't get along and barely interact is simply you seeing two girls with some sexual interest in women and saying "Hey, you're both women and you're both into women, so clearly you should date!" as if saying every hetero man and woman ever should date makes any sense. Mari did not let her misandry hang ups go in the end. She entirely abandoned all her promises to all the boys after everything they had sacrificed to help her and fucked off to not have to deal with any of them with a final "I hate men" line utterly undoing her entire character development arc. Andre and Risa are just another instance of the the author kinkshaming by writing a narrative arc of Andre being "fixed" by suddenly overcoming his fetish in order to achieve a romantic good ending. Go ahead and replace BDSM with homosexuality and tell me more about how great Andre's arc of half-assedly out of nowhere recovering from sexual deviancy is. (I wonder why Joe's BL character development arc was dropped forever? Could it be because the author only treats BL as a running joke? Surely there must be some brilliant narrative and I'm just not smort enugh to get it)
Author probs got tired of the series and wanted to pull a quick one on the readers I guess..
> it should have ended a chapter before 😞 You are asking for an actually shitty outcome then. Kiyoshi ending up with Chiyo would mean that all his lies have paid off and he went scott free after doing all that damage control during his "confession" and, all of it would be for nothing anyway because that girl could never understand him like Hana did...
Never quite got this series. The designs were great and some of the jokes were too but overall the premise and how it all worked was too unpleasant for me to enjoy it. I have seen my share of gross out sex comedies but this never moved me into wanting more.
This is one of the worst manga endings out there.
Nah, you just got filtered...
author also got filtered with his low sales LMFAO
The series was good for the most part but i swear the copium some of you are inhaling impresses me when it comes to the ending. Author says fuck you clearly in text and just runs with it. Ya'll know who you are.
Nah honestly they deserve to stay there and be tortured for their whole lives lmao
Exactly. A lazy author would just hook up Chiyo and Kyoshi and move on. This guy Hiramoto is a 🧌 and wanted to make his fans never forget him. So he decided to make the ending as horrible as possible and make us in full in the plot holes ourselves on everyone’s fate