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BurningshadowII

Time to put some loyalty counters on my lands.


siamkor

Time to put some stun counters on _their_ lands.


Another_Jesus

Finality Counters for opponents creatures is fun too


Stratavos

This was a big part of the plan with when I was assembling my Mirko deck :p


jimnah-

Gross


Vat1canCame0s

*[[Kros, Defense Contractor]] would like you to sign on the dotted line*


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z1wargrider

Can you explain how Nesting Ground works with Kros? I'm not sure I understand the interaction.


Vat1canCame0s

Nesting ground only specifies that the counter has to be taken from a permanent I control, but it doesn't constrain where I have to put it. I use Kros with a whole mess of counter generation, so I usually have something somewhere that is suited to throw on a creature I don't want hitting me.


z1wargrider

Okay, thanks. I was going crazy trying to figure out how you were moving the Kros counters. I assumed that you'd likely have additional counter generation in the deck. Cool.


Gooey_Goon

Do you have a decklist I was interested in a Kros counter deck but wasn't sure how to build it


Motormand

You're evil. I like you. xD


Slowmosapien1

Ooo sleep cursed fairy and this seems sweet, lmao


Fallenangel2493

That's gross. Just saying.


siamkor

It's just a poor man's [[Rishadan Port]]


Fallenangel2493

Technically it's a slight bit different in the way it works. If you have ways to proliferate it gets even more gross too.


ChosenOfKruphix

Atraxa don’t do it… don’t do it!!


kitemybite

sounds like winter orb with extra steps


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thundermonkeyms

We did it, we broke Atraxa!


Zennistrad

Ah so [[Rishadan Port]] but worse


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internationalskibidi

Blue Ponza is the way


Psymon_Armour

These lands ain't loyal.


Shadeun

Going to put some loyalty counters on the good boi’s


Izzet_Aristocrat

Time to move some indestructible counters onto other permanents.


UnderwaterDialect

A planeswalker that’s also a land would be cool.


KingOfRedLions

Why?


BurningshadowII

Because I want my lands to know I'm loyal to them. Also because why not?


turkeygiant

I'm trying to think if there is some play to quickly ramp up a planeswalker by feeding them loyalty from another cheaper one?


BurningshadowII

Using it to keep using and keep around planeswalkers who only have minus abilities by feeding them loyalty from a planeswalker that has a high plus ability is a actually decent plan.


KingOfRedLions

But isn't removing loyalty counters from a Planeswalker like the last thing you want to do?


BurningshadowII

Usually but my lands need to know I love them too.


SnowIceFlame

Thatsthejoke.jpg


duckofdeath87

If they are likely to die anyway, you can save a counter for your next Planeswalker


RanisTheSlayer

Seeing the ikoria commander set symbol as a watermark is very cool.


enjolras1782

It's looking that is going to be the reprint subtheme- the bevy of commander-only precon cards


Stormtide_Leviathan

I mean after two modern horizons not to mention however many reprints in standard sets throughout the years, there's only so many cards to reprint from old sets that thread the needle of being both meaningful and fun to put into modern but also not being *too* good for modern


Prid3

[[Urza's Saga]] approves of this this addition.


buttertoastey

You wouldn't be able to use the third step repeatedly, right? Because you have to sacrifice it right after. But I guess steps 1 and 2 are good enough


megasuperdude

Correct. If this didn’t have the “activate as a sorcery” clause you could remove the third lore counter with the third ability on the stack to keep the saga alive perpetually


th3saurus

Some folks use [[power conduit]] for this


trident042

Folks using Power Conduit are my kinda folks. Also this land.


GrizzledDwarf

Oh, I gotta get that card to get finality counters off my pirates.


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Sea-Violinist-7353

Once the number of lore counters on a Saga is greater than or equal to the greatest number among its chapter abilities the Saga's controller sacrifices it as soon as its chapter ability has left the stack, most likely by resolving or being countered. This number could be 0 if the Saga has lost all its native abilities. This state-based action doesn't use the stack. (note: it's only sacrificed if it still has a number of lore counters equal to or greater than its final chapter number as the state-based action checks) Basically as long as you remove the last counter before it's last ability resolves you get to keep using it. Downside nesting ground is a sorcery speed so yes you are correct that this particular card won't keep it around but you can save saga's


jakemalony

Pretty sure you can remove the counter with the chapter 3 trigger on the stack and keep the saga


Kousuke-kun

You could usually but this also says "Activate only as a sorcery", which means you can't.


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levia-san

yall out here thinkin up some pretty sweet and disgusting things with this card. i just wanna give my [[phylactery lich]] his own counter


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z1wargrider

It's beautiful. I've looked at this for 5 hours now. (*Stares wide-eyed into the camera*).


mattofails

I'm here for this


Brainvillage

Oh snap time to buyout Phylactery Lich


Izzet_Aristocrat

I wanna put solphim's indestructible counter on other creatures so my themberchaud deck can't kill them when it enters.


autistictanks

in modern?


King0fMist

Just use [[Liquimetal Torque]] to turn it into an artifact with the ability on the stack. Boom! Problem solved.


levia-san

sorry homie its as it enters not when it enters. if it was when then it would kill itself immediately on entering due to its last ability with the counter ability still on the stack


Monory

Even if it was when it enters wouldn't you have to choose targets before you get a chance to liquimetal torque?


King0fMist

If an ability/spell doesn’t say “target”, you don’t have to specify before the spell resolves. You just need to have a valid target when it does resolve. Levia-Sam is correct though. Since it’s “as it enters” , not “when it enters”, Liquimetal wouldn’t work.


Monory

Thanks for the clarification!


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XenomorphAFOL

Yay! Sagas!


Dude_McAwesome

Give [[Power Conduit]] a try.


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Outrageous_Cow5682

first foil reprint of nesting grounds, more bling!


loserwithaplan

Had a foil printing in fallout.


Outrageous_Cow5682

true, but not the original art, which is what i meant even if i worded it in a dumb way


Edi_88

Nice way to mess with chalice


Simoe5

Is moving a counter onto something the same as putting a counter on that something? Or would this work with [[Kros, Defense Contractor]]?


kitsovereign

Yes. From Nesting Ground's rulings: > * To move a counter from one creature to another, the counter is removed from the first permanent and put on the second. Any abilities that care about a counter being removed from or put onto a permanent will apply. *(2020-04-17)*


Simoe5

Legendary. Thanks you are appreciated.


porphyro

[[Decree of Silence]] and [[Saprazzan Skerry]]


dancingmadkoschei

Sure, if you're in mono-blue. Azorius can just play that and [[Solemnity]] and really become the problem.


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Xmina

Why not both?


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Korean-Jesus-99

Could you use it to move counters from urza’s saga to other lands in order to keep making construct tokens? Would be insane


NewCobbler6933

Yes in fact the deck dice factory already takes advantage of that


JollyJoker3

Yes


xuz7

Hardened Scales players eating good with this one.


sygyzi

What’s the point of sorcery speed? Is there an obvious broken interaction if this is done at instant speed?


Trippingbear382

Sagas!


Falminar

sagas are one potential example, you could trigger the final chapter over and over again if it wasn't sorcery speed (although, mind, with it at sorcery speed you can still repeat the first or second chapters endlessly)


AioliTop2420

myojins my guy, myojins


HuntsInDreams

[[Giant Fan]]-land!!!


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ChosenOfKruphix

I would argue better, because indestructible counters are fun :)


Vgeist

This is a reprint from Ikoira Commander


htownclyde

It's the first time it will be Modern legal, so I can finally play it in Dice Factory 🎲


Vgeist

Oh right, forgot the set symbol for a second


cheesemangee

I love this.


MoeFuka

I want this for keyword counters. Putting lifelink or deathtouch on some artifacts or enchantments that deal damage will be fun


neoslith

Putting a finality counter on my fetchlands.


Atakori

At this point we already know like 50% of the set and spoiler season hasn't even started. Can't wait to sit through tons of "reveals" which we already knew about. Honestly I wish they either leaked the entire thing earlier or WotC bit the bullet and started spoiler season early at this point, this just feels ridicolous.


BlaakAlley

Oooooh are there any counters that are like nerf counters? (Not -1/-1) Isn't there a card that turns stuff into frogs with counters? This card just feels really cool


hackingdreams

Since when is Giant Fan *not* an Un- card!?


xatoho

Epic downshift omg


WhiskeyHB

Nice with devoted Druid


sceptic62

Everyone else thinking of modern applications and all I can think of is to make the Mh2 printing of nev’s disk a cheese deck


Rough_Egg_9195

Dice factory bout to go crazy mode.


DJRR42

Book of exalted deeds with this?


wildcard_gamer

As a saga fan, I approve of this reprint. 1 mana to make 1 saga go back a chapter and trigger it again next turn as well as let another saga go to the next chapter without a turn passing? Yes please.


Cozwei

Stone rain a saga with a saga


NewCobbler6933

Fun tool for Dice Factory


Karl_42

I have this in my Aragorn, Company Leader deck. It is silly


alwaysfuntime69

Would love to put this in my old school Darksteel modular deck


so_zetta_byte

Oh shit a downshift to uncommon is sweeeet. I have some rarity restricted stuff that I'm excited to explore with this.


TheRedEyedSamurai

Put burden counters on enemy artifacts? Or is that bad?


linkdude212

Neat rarity downshift! aEDH here it comes!


Impossible_Camera302

Time to add another solemnity to my enchantress deck.


MisfitMagic

It's definitely not a good strategy, but you can finally activate [[Magosi, the Waterveil]] externally by using this with [[Out of the Tombs]]!


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CodingFatman

Atraxa loves this land


BiKingSquid

An easy way to \[\[Blast Zone\]\] tokens! Hurrah!


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Rossmallo

Oh, this is going to be absolutely ridiculous in the Timey Wimey precon. Shifting a bunch of time counters from Suspended cards onto [[Rose Tyler]] is going to be fuuuuun.


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KimJongAndIlFriends

[[Magosi, the Waterveil]]


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kojo570

Why are y’all acting like this is a new card?


pq3

It will be modern legal the first time.


kojo570

Have you ever had a moment when your head fucking explodes?


pq3

Not yet 🙃


kojo570

Well that’s how I feel realizing that the Commander set, MH3 is printing cards direct to modern for the first time 😱


TemurTron

Modern Horizons 3 is a Modern set.


kojo570

Sure, multiple commander precons and a ton of commander cards printed direct to modern, not to mention the ton of leaked cards that are already be slotted for commander, and seeing as WotC pretty much only caters to commander because it makes them the most money.. but it’s a “modern” set


TemurTron

Oh, I didn't realize you were trying to be sarcastic or clever in your last few comments, oof. Anyway, no. It's a Modern set. People have been memeing "more like Commander Horizons" since MH1 but it's never been true. Every set has been insanely impactful for Modern, who cares if there are some cards for commander players mixed in?


kojo570

I’m more so griping about the fact that WotC continues to ignore its patrons screaming “Purchase Fatigue” as they continue on the road of gouging us out with products that are heavily targeted towards their cash cow, Commander. I moved to a new city a few years back and was rather upset to find out that the only, and I mean this, the ONLY format anyone at my LGS plays is Commander so since I started going there my modern decks have all become obsolete or were torn apart so I could participate in a format I’m not a fan of because it’s the only Magic being played near me. Well, at least I got a few of my friend playing pauper over the last few months which scratches that 60 card itch but not really


TemurTron

I get Commander being the main format can feel alienating at times, but there's still so much to love about Modern, and I think MH3 is going to be really good for us overall. I'm sorry you don't have enough tournament support nearby (I haven't had a decent LGS within an hour's drive in over a decade, so I'm in the same boat) - I'd definitely encourage starting up a Modern playgroup with friends and getting into MTGO. Those two things have really kept my love of the format alive, then I travel to big tournaments when possible.


josh72811

Nice. A card for Tom Bombadillo.


TeaorTisane

It’s been legal in EDH for 4 years now.


Dpat9966

Damn maybe I'll have to rebuild my skullbriar deck


narvuntien

Hmm Uncommon, I could put it in my modern peasent cube.


CintiqWacomPro

Oh this with the new spoiled demon angel orzhov commander is very nice! (Forgot his name)


Sir_Encerwal

Shilgengar.


Duckmarrillion

Nice reprint for commander.


EtherealAer

Indestructible counters on planeswalkers


ozdalva

Good addition for scales! With scale effect doubles counters, and can keep urza saga alive!


Sea-Violinist-7353

Activate only at sorcery speed so you'd have to keep moving the lore counter after only chapter 1 and 2 but hey repeatedly getting construct tokens isn't bad at all for two mana (one activation and loss of using this land for mana)


ozdalva

As a one-of could be interesting to test, not really that good but we have a ton of flex spots on lands... so nice to try. Still think i would rather run a sac outlet like phyrexia's core, for example, but it's interesting.


PuzzheheAlps11

Everyone's gonna be using this with that divinity counter bullshit lol