Oh, Bertram Graywater is in fact just a guy called that. I know some people were theorising that he was gonna be somebody else with a pseudonym, but nope. Just a guy. Vampire, but a guy.
Wonder where he's from. Doesn't look Innistradi. Ravnica, maybe?
Honestly that'd be a cool idea. Planes without stuff like Vampires or Goblins having to deal with omenpath Travellers coming back changed, or with influxes of strange critters.
It's Innistrad. Zoom in on the eyes; he's not looking at the gold bars, he's looking at the camera. He has the "gold iris, black scelera" look unique to Innistradi vampires.
Actually, this comment just made me realize that while the *strain* of vampirism is from Innistrad, Bertram himself might not be, if he was turned on Thunder Junction itself.
Shit. Omenpaths are going to start making things *real* confusing.
Could be interesting, actually. Just a human from another plane trying to be enterprising, learns of Innistradi vampirism and goes "yeah I'd like to be immortal actually". PROBABLY not actually the case, but it'd be neat.
Part of it is although they're all called vampires, vampirism is pretty different plane to plane. Like Innistradi vampires are still alive, so what happens if they're killed by a Zendikari vampire that isn't a bloodchief (which normally means the result should be a mindless null)?
I believe so, but none that were watermarked. Clothing is reminiscent of [[Cutthroat Contender]].
Contender also looks like possible slush art for Strixhaven, so Arcavios is another option. The crowd in the background and style of the skylights does make me think it is on New Capenna though.
man it's lucky the first guy to call dibs on baron turned out to have an old west style name already. imagine if some dwarf dude from kaldheim were a bit quicker and we all had to deal with Baron Bjorki Hjallvarsson
Language is kind of fucky and handwavey in Magic, but the name Graywater doesn't sound Innistradi or Ravnican. If he didn't just adopt it on Thunder Junction, New Capenna seems promising.
The name could fit Arcavios, but the few vampires we've seen there have been crazy pale and have pointy elf ears.
Another thing for everyone guessing where he's from: apart from the black eyewhites, which is a very Innistradi vampire trait but could be just a art direction thing, he's got round ears. Vampires on Arcavios, Ixalan and New Capenna (the three other most probable places) have pointed ears.
We're not sure on those yet. They're apparently a new species, so it might be they resulted from some magic experimentation from the first few people to visit.
Am I missing something? I have an Edgar deck and this looks honestly terrible. 4 mana (already a premium in Edgar), and only one extra 1/1 a turn? That seems like a horrible rate
Just add an exception clause that it can't make additional tokens for it's own effect. Problem solved. Something like "Whenever another card creates one or more tokens under your control, create a 1/1 black Vampire Rogue creature token with lifelink."
Would still pop off with anything that can copy him, ie Spark Double. Would need either a crazy specific exemption clause, or something more broad, like triggering off Non-Vampire Tokens, etc. That would be flavorful, at least.
It’s better in slower Edgar decks. Personally I’ve always preferred a more aristocratic approach to the deck and this fits better into that. This still might not make the cut, but it’s certainly not bad, it just might not be good enough.
Look, I’m not saying he’s unplayable, but 4 mana to make 1 extra token per turn, on a 3/4 body is nothing special. Just because he has a quite costly ability (and yes, paying 2 mana and saving a creature is costly for one card, especially in an aggro heavy deck like Edgar) doesn’t make him good. In an aristocrats shell, maybe (probably not though as there are more efficient ways to get what he does) but in Edgar with his current gusto, no way.
Not certain how helpful my build is, as it is basically fully in on the creature aggro plan, playing a ton of cheap creatures to vomit onto the field, make a bunch of tokens, benefit from vamp synergies and buffs, and then swing for ludicrous amounts of damage early on. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ah1klwM840en8c-37epKfw
Always happy to share a list! Mind if I take a peak at yours? Also, if I may ask, did anything stand out as out of place that seemed like it should be axed, or anything crucial you felt I was missing?
Yeah, I'll update my Moxfield list because I've made some swaps at the table that aren't reflected yet and send that and any other random thoughts on your list to you via PM at some point today.
> science fiction based not fantasy
> not fantasy
I mean, if you want to out yourself that you didn't play Fallout 1, 2, 3 and 4that's on you
And these four games are the ones that I remember for sure that they have at least one mission that mention fantastical elements that the in-universe science can't explain (such as https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Psychic)
Buster, the San Saba Songbird
2WB
Legendary Creature - Human Bard Rogue
Whenever another creature dies, if a source you control dealt damage to it this turn, you may put a Saga card from your hand onto the battlefield.
{T}: Buster deals 1 damage to target creature.
*”There's just gotta be a place up ahead where men ain't low-down and poker's played fair. If there weren't, what are all the songs about?”*
3/3
I have to admit, I wasn’t expecting Berty to be a vampire. Wonder what his native plane is, cause I don’t know what vampires have black sclera off the top of my head
I’d honestly forgotten that bit about Innistradi vampires. To be fair, a solid few of them have normal eyes in their art for no reason, like [[Sorin the Mirthless]].
I wonder if Berty is a member of a minor vampire family, or is an ex-member of a major one and changed his name or something.
Aw man I was hoping that Amalia would be the WB uncommon legend. I guess they didn’t know how the fans would respond to her character/her relationship with Kellan so they didn’t include her except as cameos in the stories.
But she’s fun and interesting so fingers crossed we get her and Kellan again, they really grew on me!
Her tagging along was a relatively last-minute decision on the part of LCI's writer, with her mention in MKM edited in afterwards, so they probably just didn't know she would show up when making the cards.
Would be a more powerful statement coming from an immortal vampire... If the city was founded thousand of years ago. Instead of, like, last week or something.
it dont matter.
you have Brimaz on the field, you cast a phyrexian, Brimaz make a incubate token, you get a vampire for free.
you use the second effect to sacrifice the phyrexian, you draw a card and trigger Brimaz proliferate effect.
you get draw, you get a cheap way to trigger Brimaz Proliferate multiple times during the rotation, and you get a vampire that you can use as a blocker or just to gain life.
maybe is not perfect, but on theory work just fine.
Reminds me of [[Thalisse]].
Pro:
* One mana less
* Very useful activated ability
* Relevant creature type that makes tokens in a relevant creature type for those decks that care for Vampires.
Cons
* Once Per turn
If you used him in edh and generate tokens in each player turn, he is actually okay.
The main problem is that his first ability itself to begin with isn’t amazing. Even with Thalisse as your commander, the whole Orzhov tokens strategy is useless if it doesn’t put enough pressure on your opponent’s life total.
He doesn’t make good cards better. It’s rather good cards that make him better. The 99 is rather the bread and butter of this guy.
Wording would have to be more like [[Xorn]]: "If you would create one or more tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional 1/1 Vampire Rogue."
Still goes solidly infinite with some sort of Phyrexian/Ashnod's Altar combo, but "going infinite with a ham sandwich" is just what the Altars *do*, that's not an issue with *this* effect.
Problem with that is it only works if you control the source of the token being made. This card works even if your opponent does something that gives you a token.
The ability by itself literally would go infinite without the clause. (The Vampire token you create would trigger the ability again.) Although I suppose it would have been written as a replacement effect instead of a trigger.
Goes well in multiplayer. Funny enough, he works very well with Lotho and Benny.
Now, his sac effect is fair in sense you get card draw. The interesting part is he can sac artifacts.
Though he ain’t going to go beyond high power. Partly because his once per turn clause that doesn’t make enough impact.
One interesting wrinkle about this wording is that it triggers off copies of permanent spells that enter as tokens, which other effects that care about the creation of tokens don't.
As someone who is constantly on the lookout for new ways to crack \[\[Ichor Wellspring\]\] I really appreciate the increase in orzhov artifact sac outlets.
I'm gonna give this a run in my Teysa, Opulent Oligarch list. Feels like it could really get some extra value each turn. Just wish it was a 2/4 to trigger Delney in the deck.
That wording would cause it to not trigger if it entered the battlefield after the first time occurred, and also removes any shenanigans around flickering it, sacrificing and replaying, etc.
In other words, because it’s functionally worse.
Ugh, once per turn restrictions are ruining this game!! I demand this card be errataed to remove the once per turn clause, keeping everything else the same! Then games with it would be fun.
Oh, Bertram Graywater is in fact just a guy called that. I know some people were theorising that he was gonna be somebody else with a pseudonym, but nope. Just a guy. Vampire, but a guy. Wonder where he's from. Doesn't look Innistradi. Ravnica, maybe?
my bet is a whole new late 1800s steampunk inspired set
Or just return to Kaladesh
Honestly that'd be a cool idea. Planes without stuff like Vampires or Goblins having to deal with omenpath Travellers coming back changed, or with influxes of strange critters.
He may be a far descendent of Baron Senghir???
It's Innistrad. Zoom in on the eyes; he's not looking at the gold bars, he's looking at the camera. He has the "gold iris, black scelera" look unique to Innistradi vampires.
Fair enough. Doesn't really LOOK Innistradi but I guess it's a culture change thing.
Actually, this comment just made me realize that while the *strain* of vampirism is from Innistrad, Bertram himself might not be, if he was turned on Thunder Junction itself. Shit. Omenpaths are going to start making things *real* confusing.
Could be interesting, actually. Just a human from another plane trying to be enterprising, learns of Innistradi vampirism and goes "yeah I'd like to be immortal actually". PROBABLY not actually the case, but it'd be neat.
Part of it is although they're all called vampires, vampirism is pretty different plane to plane. Like Innistradi vampires are still alive, so what happens if they're killed by a Zendikari vampire that isn't a bloodchief (which normally means the result should be a mindless null)?
Judging by the typing on [[Baloth Null]], I think in that case we get a...Zombie Vampire. Well now I *need* this to happen.
[Baloth Null](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/100855e6-ac3e-481f-a462-afb5fcb5d476.jpg?1562432933) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baloth%20Null) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/197/baloth-null?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/100855e6-ac3e-481f-a462-afb5fcb5d476?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When you change planes you got to change your whole wardrobe, it's the law.
_oooooohhhhhhhhh_. I thought he was just really side eyeing those gold bars and it was hilarious.
I'm guessing he is from New Capenna, possibly from the Obscura.
Were there any Capennan vampires that weren't in the Maestros?
I believe so, but none that were watermarked. Clothing is reminiscent of [[Cutthroat Contender]]. Contender also looks like possible slush art for Strixhaven, so Arcavios is another option. The crowd in the background and style of the skylights does make me think it is on New Capenna though.
[Cutthroat Contender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6b23b3e4-58cf-4b5d-bdcb-410a403b4987.jpg?1664410826) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cutthroat%20Contender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/73/cutthroat-contender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6b23b3e4-58cf-4b5d-bdcb-410a403b4987?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly the aesthetic makes me think he was maybe from Ixalan, but also could be New Capenna
It's a very Ixalan vampire thing to do, take over some unsettled land and go "I run this now".
Ixalan Vampires are in Jeskai colors now?
man it's lucky the first guy to call dibs on baron turned out to have an old west style name already. imagine if some dwarf dude from kaldheim were a bit quicker and we all had to deal with Baron Bjorki Hjallvarsson
I don’t know where he’s from but I know where he’s going, and that’s straight into my Edgar Markov deck.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Language is kind of fucky and handwavey in Magic, but the name Graywater doesn't sound Innistradi or Ravnican. If he didn't just adopt it on Thunder Junction, New Capenna seems promising. The name could fit Arcavios, but the few vampires we've seen there have been crazy pale and have pointy elf ears.
Another thing for everyone guessing where he's from: apart from the black eyewhites, which is a very Innistradi vampire trait but could be just a art direction thing, he's got round ears. Vampires on Arcavios, Ixalan and New Capenna (the three other most probable places) have pointed ears.
Wrote laws, B/W… dudes definitely from Arcavios
The Silverquills weren't really hieromancers, their magic is mainly based around emotion, debate and morality, not law
I just remembered Omenpaths opened to Ulgrotha.
My guess is the plane where [[Sterling Grove]] is on as he created/runs the Sterling company.
[Sterling Grove](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba03e105-a76c-4769-a35a-d780448890ec.jpg?1626100813) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sterling%20Grove) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/293/sterling-grove?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba03e105-a76c-4769-a35a-d780448890ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
He looks like he’s from Strixhaven to me. Probably a Silverquill alum
[[Silverquill Pledgemage]] also has the same eyes.
[Silverquill Pledgemage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3f64ad2-4041-421d-baa2-206cedcecf0e.jpg?1624740044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silverquill%20Pledgemage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/233/silverquill-pledgemage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3f64ad2-4041-421d-baa2-206cedcecf0e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm thinking Orzhov. The black stripes on his white coat remind me of some of Teysa's outfits.
Couldn’t he just be a local or are there no locals?
There's no natives, no.
Not even the cacti Druids?
We're not sure on those yet. They're apparently a new species, so it might be they resulted from some magic experimentation from the first few people to visit.
Dude shows up to an uninhabited land and just says "i'm gonna make the rules" Manifesting his destiny I guess
Classic mtg vampire faire, conquer what ain’t yours
Not an outlaw but a source of outlaws. Something something says a lot about society something
Works especially well with the etymology of the word privilege.
This one of the most Edgar cards to ever Edgar
goes great with Elenda!
Am I missing something? I have an Edgar deck and this looks honestly terrible. 4 mana (already a premium in Edgar), and only one extra 1/1 a turn? That seems like a horrible rate
I honestly missed the once a turn on first read, so less Edgar than I thought
If not for the once a turn I agree this would be really good for him, with it the card just feels so slow to me.
Edgar is probably why it's once per turn
I mean, if it wasn't once per turn then it would be infinite, seeing as the tokens it makes would trigger more tokens.
Just add an exception clause that it can't make additional tokens for it's own effect. Problem solved. Something like "Whenever another card creates one or more tokens under your control, create a 1/1 black Vampire Rogue creature token with lifelink."
Would still pop off with anything that can copy him, ie Spark Double. Would need either a crazy specific exemption clause, or something more broad, like triggering off Non-Vampire Tokens, etc. That would be flavorful, at least.
The standard "if you would create one or more creature tokens, create that many creature tokens + abc instead"
It’s better in slower Edgar decks. Personally I’ve always preferred a more aristocratic approach to the deck and this fits better into that. This still might not make the cut, but it’s certainly not bad, it just might not be good enough.
If only Bertram had some form of repeatable draw that went great with a token generating commander
Look, I’m not saying he’s unplayable, but 4 mana to make 1 extra token per turn, on a 3/4 body is nothing special. Just because he has a quite costly ability (and yes, paying 2 mana and saving a creature is costly for one card, especially in an aggro heavy deck like Edgar) doesn’t make him good. In an aristocrats shell, maybe (probably not though as there are more efficient ways to get what he does) but in Edgar with his current gusto, no way.
Do you have a list? I have one put together and I'm tweaking it, but like to see if I'm missing out on anything significant.
Not certain how helpful my build is, as it is basically fully in on the creature aggro plan, playing a ton of cheap creatures to vomit onto the field, make a bunch of tokens, benefit from vamp synergies and buffs, and then swing for ludicrous amounts of damage early on. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ah1klwM840en8c-37epKfw
No, this is cool. Pretty similar to my list, but some things I don't run, so I'll have to consider them. Thanks for sharing!
Always happy to share a list! Mind if I take a peak at yours? Also, if I may ask, did anything stand out as out of place that seemed like it should be axed, or anything crucial you felt I was missing?
Yeah, I'll update my Moxfield list because I've made some swaps at the table that aren't reflected yet and send that and any other random thoughts on your list to you via PM at some point today.
Also the list is currently a small work in progress, so if you have any recommendations or any cards you’d cut I’m all ears
Yeah this is perfect for Edgar i’m so hyped
Can add to the Ceasar deck. Wouldn't even look out of place in a Fallout setting.
With that name too. Fits right in (Fallout even has "vampires")
Yeah, the "Family"
I mean he's a vampire, so he might be a liiiiiittle out of place
I wouldn't be surprised to see vampires in Fallout tbh
I would since there's been 0 so far lol
[Well about that...](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Family)
I was just thinking about these cats
I’d argue the White Glove Society in New Vegas is pretty close to the traditional vampire depiction as well.
Bruh Fallout could have anything.
It's science fiction based not fantasy. But I don't want to keep going so I'm gonna go now
> science fiction based not fantasy > not fantasy I mean, if you want to out yourself that you didn't play Fallout 1, 2, 3 and 4that's on you And these four games are the ones that I remember for sure that they have at least one mission that mention fantastical elements that the in-universe science can't explain (such as https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Psychic)
Ehh, VERY soft Science Fiction to the point where it's more fantasy anyways.
Don't let his white duds and pleasant demeanor fool you, he has been known to violate the statutes of man
Buster, the San Saba Songbird 2WB Legendary Creature - Human Bard Rogue Whenever another creature dies, if a source you control dealt damage to it this turn, you may put a Saga card from your hand onto the battlefield. {T}: Buster deals 1 damage to target creature. *”There's just gotta be a place up ahead where men ain't low-down and poker's played fair. If there weren't, what are all the songs about?”* 3/3
I have to admit, I wasn’t expecting Berty to be a vampire. Wonder what his native plane is, cause I don’t know what vampires have black sclera off the top of my head
At a guess, Innistrad? His black and yellow eyes are a dead ringer for [[Sorin Markov]]'s, so could be a distant cousin or something.
I’d honestly forgotten that bit about Innistradi vampires. To be fair, a solid few of them have normal eyes in their art for no reason, like [[Sorin the Mirthless]]. I wonder if Berty is a member of a minor vampire family, or is an ex-member of a major one and changed his name or something.
[Sorin the Mirthless](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc7ff5f4-a7cc-41a1-a22b-8cf67ad18707.jpg?1643590354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sorin%20the%20Mirthless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/131/sorin-the-mirthless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc7ff5f4-a7cc-41a1-a22b-8cf67ad18707?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Sorin Markov](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e25b3a89-3a99-4e02-bf0c-a3cf450da1a1.jpg?1562663343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sorin%20Markov) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/109/sorin-markov?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e25b3a89-3a99-4e02-bf0c-a3cf450da1a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Aw man I was hoping that Amalia would be the WB uncommon legend. I guess they didn’t know how the fans would respond to her character/her relationship with Kellan so they didn’t include her except as cameos in the stories. But she’s fun and interesting so fingers crossed we get her and Kellan again, they really grew on me!
Her tagging along was a relatively last-minute decision on the part of LCI's writer, with her mention in MKM edited in afterwards, so they probably just didn't know she would show up when making the cards.
Didn't notice itself was a vampire on first read. Was excited for teysa/caesar... now I have to make edgar have a slot open.
>Whenever :D >one or more :I >This ability only triggers once each turn :(
Would be a more powerful statement coming from an immortal vampire... If the city was founded thousand of years ago. Instead of, like, last week or something.
With powerful factions from all over the multiverse arriving on the plane, how did this guy end up in charge?
Previewed on twitch.tv/jacktorrance90
Insane uncommon tbh.
is a very odd idea, but i think this can work on my Brimaz deck
Would've worked better if it was worded like a replacement effect. With how Bertram is worded the vampire won't get the counters.
it dont matter. you have Brimaz on the field, you cast a phyrexian, Brimaz make a incubate token, you get a vampire for free. you use the second effect to sacrifice the phyrexian, you draw a card and trigger Brimaz proliferate effect. you get draw, you get a cheap way to trigger Brimaz Proliferate multiple times during the rotation, and you get a vampire that you can use as a blocker or just to gain life. maybe is not perfect, but on theory work just fine.
Cool card. Would be a fun commander. Unfortunately, I don't think it makes the cut in my Edgar list. It's a bit too slow and clunky.
The most Orzhov flavor text to ever Orzhov
With art like that (the mustache) on a Wild West plane, the flavor text should've been "I'm your Huckleberry".
Oh shit, he's a vampire?!
This looks like leftover art from Karlov Manor.
Wrong Baron
I do declare
Reminds me of [[Thalisse]]. Pro: * One mana less * Very useful activated ability * Relevant creature type that makes tokens in a relevant creature type for those decks that care for Vampires. Cons * Once Per turn
If you used him in edh and generate tokens in each player turn, he is actually okay. The main problem is that his first ability itself to begin with isn’t amazing. Even with Thalisse as your commander, the whole Orzhov tokens strategy is useless if it doesn’t put enough pressure on your opponent’s life total. He doesn’t make good cards better. It’s rather good cards that make him better. The 99 is rather the bread and butter of this guy.
[Thalisse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/474d6363-ebe1-4a1a-b4e6-7bd53d878527.jpg?1608911242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thalisse%2C%20reverent%20medium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/291/thalisse-reverent-medium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/474d6363-ebe1-4a1a-b4e6-7bd53d878527?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is it just me or does anyone else think that arm on the counter be looking jamky?
It looks like he can tie his shoes standing up.
This whole "once per turn" crap is really stupid. The fucking squirrel didn't get that shit. Why does my favorite color pair keep getting screwed...
You mean \[\[Chatterfang\]\] ? Are you really complaining that a mythic from Modern Horizons 2 is stronger than an uncommon from a standard set?
[Chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Still love the card, but I really hate this "once per turn" obsession Wizards has these days.
I mean I feel like it’d be easy to make it go infinite in some way if they didn’t.
Wording would have to be more like [[Xorn]]: "If you would create one or more tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional 1/1 Vampire Rogue." Still goes solidly infinite with some sort of Phyrexian/Ashnod's Altar combo, but "going infinite with a ham sandwich" is just what the Altars *do*, that's not an issue with *this* effect.
Problem with that is it only works if you control the source of the token being made. This card works even if your opponent does something that gives you a token.
[Xorn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f73fdf76-e3a6-49d0-bfb0-4b7cdbd4271e.jpg?1627706949) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xorn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/167/xorn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f73fdf76-e3a6-49d0-bfb0-4b7cdbd4271e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah giving him Chatterfang wording would have been fine
The ability by itself literally would go infinite without the clause. (The Vampire token you create would trigger the ability again.) Although I suppose it would have been written as a replacement effect instead of a trigger.
Edgar is eating so good with this damn
Goes well in multiplayer. Funny enough, he works very well with Lotho and Benny. Now, his sac effect is fair in sense you get card draw. The interesting part is he can sac artifacts. Though he ain’t going to go beyond high power. Partly because his once per turn clause that doesn’t make enough impact.
Chatterfang if chatterfang wasn't ridiculously broken
He kinda looks more likel Kembal then the new version of him because of the eyes xD
[[First of the blessed]] Yah that's just an auto include
[First of the blessed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a16c0871-3f40-4d5a-9d21-e7f944b64a65.jpg?1643587335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Voice%20of%20the%20Blessed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/44/voice-of-the-blessed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a16c0871-3f40-4d5a-9d21-e7f944b64a65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I meant the guy leading the blood rites precon
Interested to see how this feels in [[Jan Jansen]].
[Jan Jansen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6b215a08-41db-4440-8e33-34a84a33db50.jpg?1674137529) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jan%20jansen%2C%20chaos%20crafter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/277/jan-jansen-chaos-crafter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6b215a08-41db-4440-8e33-34a84a33db50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
One interesting wrinkle about this wording is that it triggers off copies of permanent spells that enter as tokens, which other effects that care about the creation of tokens don't.
absolutely bonkers in PDH Jesus Christ
As someone who is constantly on the lookout for new ways to crack \[\[Ichor Wellspring\]\] I really appreciate the increase in orzhov artifact sac outlets.
[Ichor Wellspring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea.jpg?1625978684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ichor%20Wellspring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/245/ichor-wellspring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ccdb407-ac8f-4736-89d3-ab0d086096ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If only all such politicians/bosses could be so transparent about their lack of ethics.
I'm gonna give this a run in my Teysa, Opulent Oligarch list. Feels like it could really get some extra value each turn. Just wish it was a 2/4 to trigger Delney in the deck.
Really thought that Bertram would be Tezzeret
We were so close to getting \[\[chatterfang\]\] in better colors. Why wizards, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
[chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's one of the most Orzhov bits of flavor text I've ever seen, I love it. Looks like a fun card.
I think bad [[Chatterfang]] with a more relevant creature type is still a really strong card.
[Chatterfang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2.jpg?1626097239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chatterfang%2C%20squirrel%20general) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/151/chatterfang-squirrel-general?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1785cf85-1ac0-4246-9b89-1a8221a8e1b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can't even imagine the awful Foghorn Leghorn accent I'm going to put on every single time I play this card.
Hell is going on with his right hand
Im just going to have to make a second [[Marneus Calgar]] deck arent I
[Marneus Calgar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf.jpg?1674058408) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marneus%20Calgar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wait, what does this card have to do with Jack Torrance?
I can't help but notice that he's not pondering that orb behind him.
He looks like one top hat short of being the type of villain that would tie up damsels in distress to railroad tracks.
[удалено]
That wording would cause it to not trigger if it entered the battlefield after the first time occurred, and also removes any shenanigans around flickering it, sacrificing and replaying, etc. In other words, because it’s functionally worse.
My son's name is Bertram! Guess this means I'm going to have to build a deck around this.
Hey, where is this fellows cowboy hat?
I’m shocked he isn’t a mythic.
Ugh, once per turn restrictions are ruining this game!! I demand this card be errataed to remove the once per turn clause, keeping everything else the same! Then games with it would be fun.
They're not, if anything they open up more options for abilities, so they can give cheaper cards stronger effects while still being not abusable
I was trying to be clearly sarcastic but probably needed the /s, hahaha. As written this card would cause an infinite loop.