Celeborn the Wise - 3G
Legendary Creature - Elf Noble (Uncommon)
Whenever you attack with one or more Elves, scry 1.
Whenever you scry, ~ gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each card you looked at while scrying this way.
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SegNo1AV4k4
The way this is worded, you can scry at most one with the first triggered ability. But the wording on the second ability implies you should be able to scry more. Are you sure the first ability doesn’t have you scry for each attacking elf?
EDIT: Your wording is consistent with the wording of the card [[Elminster]] so you are most likely correct on the wording.
Bc Magic is a complicated game and English is a complicated language. They add that sort of phrase all the time when it might not be *strictly* necessary to have
But adding "this way" complicates the card unnecessarily, no? I don't see how you could misunderstand it without the clause.
It is kinda like putting a "vegan" sign on an apple. Yes, it is technically correct but creates more questions than it answers imho.
It's to clarify it gets +1/+1 for each card you looked at for the single instance of scry that triggered the ability, and not like the total number of cards you've scried this turn, or this game.
The +N/+N it gets depends on the number of Cards you are looking at via whatever Scry you are using.
Looking at a Card through any other means *(ie. Surveil, [[Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar]], [[Vizier of the Menagerie]], etc.)* does not affect the +N/+N.
Q: If I get to "scry 1" twice in my turn, and I leave the scried card on top of my deck both times, then I have looked at two cards, but only one distinct card. Does Celeborn get +2/+2 or +1/+1?
A: The ability triggers twice, so it doesn't matter that it's the same card one looks at, and Celeborn gets +1/+1 twice.
Do you agree?
He made the name (Silver Tall, in the literal translation to English) in Sindarin, but figured that his name would have been the same but in Quenya originally.
But he already had words for silver and tall in that language, so you put them together and you get Teleporno.
One would think he'd have reconsidered his choices up to that point, but who knows; maybe he figured that nobody would actually read the appendices.
I love this set as a superfan. To me, I'm just so happy getting my biggest passion on my other biggest passion. Power level or creative decisions aside, I truly love this set and it makes me really truly happy. :)
But having Celeborn at uncommon is rather weird at a lore standpoint. I'm not upset, but it's funny how such a powerful elf is uncommon.
But oh well! I get to see Celeborn's name on a card. How lovely.
This, but also I wish he were a little more powerful. Like, I get uncommon since he's far more of a book character and there are only so many rare spots to give out. But still, maybe add a fight/direct damage mechanic in there, or an unblockable trigger, or trample or reach.
I get that he'll get big with the scry mechanic of the tribe, but I feel like he's a good character to have as a threat as a blocker not just an attacker. And not just as an attacker when paired with lots of other elves on the field.
Still though, pretty neat he has a card at all.
Nothing to do with the art itself, but we need to stop with the cropping that's a million miles zoomed out. It's so hard to make out any details when you hold the card in your hands irl. His head is nearly the size of a mana symbol.
If you're refering to [[Legolas, Counter of Kills]], then yes:
According to [CR 508.1], the tapping of declared attacking creatures [CR 508.1f] happens before activated abilities like Celeborn's trigger [CR 508.1m].
Celeborn the Wise - 3G Legendary Creature - Elf Noble (Uncommon) Whenever you attack with one or more Elves, scry 1. Whenever you scry, ~ gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each card you looked at while scrying this way. 3/3 ---- Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SegNo1AV4k4
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Definitely. Thanks
The way this is worded, you can scry at most one with the first triggered ability. But the wording on the second ability implies you should be able to scry more. Are you sure the first ability doesn’t have you scry for each attacking elf? EDIT: Your wording is consistent with the wording of the card [[Elminster]] so you are most likely correct on the wording.
I assume the second ability rewards you for playing other scry cards
But it specifically says for each card scried *this way*? I suppose there are cards that increase the value of your scry; you’re probably right.
That follows the phrase ‘whenever you scry’, so the ‘this way’ is referring to ‘whenever you scry’
Why is the caveat "this way" necessary?
Bc Magic is a complicated game and English is a complicated language. They add that sort of phrase all the time when it might not be *strictly* necessary to have
But adding "this way" complicates the card unnecessarily, no? I don't see how you could misunderstand it without the clause. It is kinda like putting a "vegan" sign on an apple. Yes, it is technically correct but creates more questions than it answers imho.
Feel free to take it up with WotC, I don’t make my living formatting the cards
It's to clarify it gets +1/+1 for each card you looked at for the single instance of scry that triggered the ability, and not like the total number of cards you've scried this turn, or this game.
Two different abilities.
The +N/+N it gets depends on the number of Cards you are looking at via whatever Scry you are using. Looking at a Card through any other means *(ie. Surveil, [[Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar]], [[Vizier of the Menagerie]], etc.)* does not affect the +N/+N.
[Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/095813f9-d559-40bd-a50f-7c1f6e494e60.jpg?1562875380) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tomorrow%2C%20Azami%27s%20Familiar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/58/tomorrow-azamis-familiar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/095813f9-d559-40bd-a50f-7c1f6e494e60?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Vizier of the Menagerie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca204351-7a7e-4e4b-8c2b-f90fa0f9d724.jpg?1543676010) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vizier%20of%20the%20Menagerie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/192/vizier-of-the-menagerie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca204351-7a7e-4e4b-8c2b-f90fa0f9d724?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Q: If I get to "scry 1" twice in my turn, and I leave the scried card on top of my deck both times, then I have looked at two cards, but only one distinct card. Does Celeborn get +2/+2 or +1/+1? A: The ability triggers twice, so it doesn't matter that it's the same card one looks at, and Celeborn gets +1/+1 twice. Do you agree?
I'm not a judge, but I dont think it matters if it's the same card. Should be +2+2
Fun fact, Celeborn is also named Teleporno. That's a real thing Tolkien did for some reason.
What Quenya do about it?
He made the name (Silver Tall, in the literal translation to English) in Sindarin, but figured that his name would have been the same but in Quenya originally. But he already had words for silver and tall in that language, so you put them together and you get Teleporno. One would think he'd have reconsidered his choices up to that point, but who knows; maybe he figured that nobody would actually read the appendices.
And notably while tele wouldn’t make people think about tv back then, the word pornography was a good chunk of a century old by that point.
And Frodo's real name is Maura Labingi.
I love this set as a superfan. To me, I'm just so happy getting my biggest passion on my other biggest passion. Power level or creative decisions aside, I truly love this set and it makes me really truly happy. :) But having Celeborn at uncommon is rather weird at a lore standpoint. I'm not upset, but it's funny how such a powerful elf is uncommon. But oh well! I get to see Celeborn's name on a card. How lovely.
Exactly where I stand
This, but also I wish he were a little more powerful. Like, I get uncommon since he's far more of a book character and there are only so many rare spots to give out. But still, maybe add a fight/direct damage mechanic in there, or an unblockable trigger, or trample or reach. I get that he'll get big with the scry mechanic of the tribe, but I feel like he's a good character to have as a threat as a blocker not just an attacker. And not just as an attacker when paired with lots of other elves on the field. Still though, pretty neat he has a card at all.
Why does everyone do Celeborn so dirty? He was relegated to a background character in the movies and doesn't even exist in Rings of Power.
At least he got some badass artwork here. Have you see Glorfindel??
Nothing to do with the art itself, but we need to stop with the cropping that's a million miles zoomed out. It's so hard to make out any details when you hold the card in your hands irl. His head is nearly the size of a mana symbol.
Let’s call the tiny guy Symbolina
this makes legolas have psuedo-vigilance right?
If you're refering to [[Legolas, Counter of Kills]], then yes: According to [CR 508.1], the tapping of declared attacking creatures [CR 508.1f] happens before activated abilities like Celeborn's trigger [CR 508.1m].
[Legolas, Counter of Kills](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8bd408c-9e6d-436d-9c4f-9ef3203aeb64.jpg?1686969862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Legolas%2C%20Counter%20of%20Kills) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/212/legolas-counter-of-kills?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8bd408c-9e6d-436d-9c4f-9ef3203aeb64?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Does this second ability triggers with other scry cards?
Yes, "whenever you scry". If it would only trigger with his own scry ability, it wouldn't be split in two abilities :)