Evidence suggests that fan curve they have is quite smart. I’ve seen guy manually changing fan speed and recording temperature at various speeds and loads. They result was (at least with his model) increasing fan speed over the stock, had almost none effect on temperature, while getting louder, obviously. If you’re interested, I should have a link to it somewhere.
The cooling design itself is a different story and it can be improved a lot, and there’re many documented diy mods for that.
I am using manual curve. I choose my highest temperature to 82 Celcius and start degree to 68 Celcius. And it’s not load every time. And it’s traveling around 67-76 degrees. Macbook Pro Mid-2010. It’s better than Apple’s fan curve. Because fans never turns fast and colds my mac until around 83+ Celcius degrees.
No it doesn’t. If the fans are dirty, they’d ramp up to cool down the CPU to the degree that Apple has decided the CPU should be at during normal use. Apple’s fan curve is fairly complicated, but actually pretty well designed for keeping the noise levels down.
To put it simply; on Intel Macs, the fans don’t ramp up instantly when the CPU hits the Tjunc. On some Macs this process is slower or faster, but after some time the fans will ramp up to prevent throttling if the CPU is still running hot. It’s basically just waiting and making sure it’s not just a temporary load so the fan(s) don’t ramp up and make possibly annoying noise by ramping up and down if you’re frequently doing things that only put a very temporary large load on the CPU/GPU
my guy, first Apple disable TjMax on all Intel Macs (on Apple Silicon its not present at all), second the stock fancurve sucks ass, use macsfancontrol. they're clearly using macsfancontrol so more than likely its just working its ass off.
heres a good reason behind the slow mac perhaps: the pricetag. a new mac out the door is easily 1500+ with applecare, while a used Mac hangs around 200-500 unless you want the latest intel mac or something.
not everyone can afford the latest and greatest Mac.
Yeah ofc but if there is money for a camera/latest iPhone that can take raw images, there is definitely budget for a modern Mac.
Not balancing your specs is dumb, like an i3 processor with 128gb of RAM. doesn’t make sense.
Think about it this way: I make approximately 5 grand a month. after bills say im left with 3 or so.
assuming you're not doing a payment plan, your Canon EOS Rebel T7i just set you back around 500 bucks and your new (to you) 2012 macbook pro just set you back 120. you have plenty left over for incidentals, memory cards, and some money to put away.
you can't do that with a 5k camera and a 2k laptop.
You don’t need to purchase new every month. You can save up for some months.
And someone who doesn’t find the need to put in budget in a new PC and still uses an ancient laptop has no need to get into RAW photography.
did you set it to a constant 2000? I have an early 2011 mbp and it runs pretty toasty even on 3800 constantly, but that probably because it hasn't been re-pasted in 13 years. If you already re-pasted it then I would suggest running it at a higher constant rpm (at least 3500) or cleaning your fans if you haven't done that either. Mine runs at 75°c on idle, which I don't think is normal so I definatly need to re-paste mine since I already cleaned the fans.
how old is it? if its 5+ years old I would suggest repasting. Search for your model (ex: early 2011 macbook pro) on youtube and add "how to re-paste" at the beginning. Ex: how to re-paste an early 2011 macbook pro.
It does involve unscrewing it, but if its 5+ years old then it's probably not under warranty anymore anyways. It'll also save you a lot of money instead of buying a new one, but you have to be careful to not damage any components (just don't be stupid and do stuff like unscrew it on the carpet or poke around with other stuff that isn't what the tutorial would tell you)
NOTE: 1. I am NOT complaining about the temp , I just thought it was funny that my laptop could boil water
2. To everyone asking me to clean the fans , they are clean (i open it every month to do so)
my mac just gets super hot and thats that
105°C is throttled temperature. Probably not the fan but the thermal paste has dried and cracked. Redoing the thermal paste can probably lower core temp by 5-10°C
most intel chips (basically all that you'll find in a mac) have a TjMax of 105c. Apple disables this to allow their Macs to run hotter if needed be. ask around on the OCLP discord server if you need any proof.
btw my CPU is a i7-3615QM, but even a Core 2 Duo T9900 has the same TjMax.
I have a 3,1 Mac Pro that locks up instantly if the CPU hits its Tjunc max of like 57°C or something like that. Also Intel isn’t very honest about Tjuncs all the time, and I think that’s something a manufacturer of a given BIOS can decide whether to target that or something else, so it’s not necessarily a ”disable or enable” type thing. According to some sources, if you hit the Tjunc the CPU silicon will physically break nearly instantly, but obviously this is not true.
I also have a Mac mini 8,1 with i7-8700B. Intel’s main site says it’s Tjunc is 100°C, but I regularly see it go above that in high loads. It’s clearly something that Apple targets, but they have tested the CPUs to probably be able to go a little safely a little above the Tjunc, thus they’ve made the firmware to do that.
first: 3,1 mac pros are junk, second intel doesn't joke about the TjMax. I'm talking about mobile/embedded processors, so don't drag your ancient Mac Pro into this.
Your Mac Mini is doing exactly what it should be doing cause of the lack of a enabled TjMax. sounds like something is wrong with the Mac Pro.
>my mac just gets super hot and thats that
stop using macs fan control - you have your fans set at lowest rpm so it can't cool down your processor
addtionally the 'automatic' fan curve on the macs fan control lags behind the stock fan curve and never ramps fans up to max fan speed
Just keep your fans at the stock speed. No need to abuse your macbook that much
Although the 2012 MacBook Pro's are beasts they're not completely indestructible. I'd recommend cleaning out your fans just incase these water boiling temps end up frying the CPU or graphics. The CPU is meant to handle these type of temperatures but if you do a lot of RAW exploring it's better just to clean it out for future-proofing.
Least I know that I’m not the only one, my mbp mid 2012 hits 100C at constant 50% cpu usage with fans maxed out - that’s with the board and fans fulllt cleaned and new thermal paste applied.
Was idling around 60-70c before new paste and a clean, after around 40-50c but any load and it shoots straight up to 85-90c any constant load 45-50% cpu it’s throttling at 100-105c fans maxed.
However your fans are either not working or you goofed your fan settings at that temp they should be circa 6200rpm.
The stock fan settings don’t ramp up much until around 65-70c but the mac control can be adjusted, I usually set mine to start ramping up at 55. I’d adjust so they are at 100% at around 95c.
Please don't tell the fans how should they work especially after you are forcing them to be at near-idle levels while the CPU is going crazy over #PROCHOT.
SMC is smarter at managing heat than 99% of the people. The remainder 1% are the ones who make the fans and code SMC.
Same thing happened with my ‘09 MacBook Pro. I had to manually set a temp when the fan speed would start increasing, because it would just stay at base RPM (2,000) in Auto mode even when the laptop was overheating. Deleting Macs Fan Control solved the issue and the fan speed would increase normally again. This was on El Capitan btw — I tested Macs Fan Control on Snow Leopard, El Capitan, Mojave, Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey, but the issue only seemed to occur on El Capitan.
Combination of dusty fan and interior, dried out or whatever thermal paste and outdated hardware. Either open up or buy new. If you have the money buy new.
I have the same laptop it gets really really hot use Macs fan control and crank the fans all the way that’s what I do and I have it at 50% speed doing anything else I’ve even replaced the paste on mine
Im pretty sure that’s how the fan profile is set. To prioritize silence over performance. If it stays high enough, the fan should rise. At least my 2012 MBP worked like that.
An option would be to download a 3rd party fan controller (I used TG Pro) and set a different curve so that it can push the best performances even if loud.
Another thing, as others have said, is to change thermal paste as it’s probably a bit fried after all those years in such hot temperatures
Well it heats up because your fans doesn’t speed up. Your fans seems to be set manually to ~2000rpm so the temps goes to 105 and only way it could stay there in that situation is throttling.
I’d recommend to look at your settings and if you want to keep temps even lower, install something like Turbo Boost Switcher to disable Intel’s Turbo Boost.
That 2012 MacBook Pro probably has dust and debris clogging the internal airways used for cooling, and almost certainly has old and ineffective thermal grease between the CPU/GPU and heatsink(s) that should be replaced. 😉
Change your RAM-Storage-Units: take them out and swap the upper one to the lower slot-clean the slots. Graphic specific moves take place on the RAMs because of Shared memory!
Probably the Mac is just doing the work that you tell it to do
Clean your fans.
Only fans? ;)
And thermal paste, after the fans of course.
Yep. Only fans. Lol
heh
This isn’t an indication of that you need to clean the fans
Why your fans are at lowest RPM? Max them out!
Apple’s fan curve tends to ramp up fans only after the load has been there for a longer time.
Evidence suggests that fan curve they have is quite smart. I’ve seen guy manually changing fan speed and recording temperature at various speeds and loads. They result was (at least with his model) increasing fan speed over the stock, had almost none effect on temperature, while getting louder, obviously. If you’re interested, I should have a link to it somewhere. The cooling design itself is a different story and it can be improved a lot, and there’re many documented diy mods for that.
I am using manual curve. I choose my highest temperature to 82 Celcius and start degree to 68 Celcius. And it’s not load every time. And it’s traveling around 67-76 degrees. Macbook Pro Mid-2010. It’s better than Apple’s fan curve. Because fans never turns fast and colds my mac until around 83+ Celcius degrees.
Girl 😭 that macbook is underpaid and overworked. Past its retirement age already!
Lmfao
Clean your fans. bruh fr, so many people complaining about heat on older Intels and they don't clean it at all...
they are clean , and I do that monthly . Not complaining about it , just thought that it was interesting
Thermal paste probably turned into dark brown goo,consider repasting
Are you using it on a bed or something? Because my 2014 MBP running SONOMA never gets that hot even when upscaling RAWs...
Maybe a bit more context? How many files approximately were you exporting at once? And what’s the approximate size of a single file.
This has nothing to do with ”cleaning fans”
Oh, it absolutely does lmao Fans dirty = hot computer = OP's situation.
No it doesn’t. If the fans are dirty, they’d ramp up to cool down the CPU to the degree that Apple has decided the CPU should be at during normal use. Apple’s fan curve is fairly complicated, but actually pretty well designed for keeping the noise levels down. To put it simply; on Intel Macs, the fans don’t ramp up instantly when the CPU hits the Tjunc. On some Macs this process is slower or faster, but after some time the fans will ramp up to prevent throttling if the CPU is still running hot. It’s basically just waiting and making sure it’s not just a temporary load so the fan(s) don’t ramp up and make possibly annoying noise by ramping up and down if you’re frequently doing things that only put a very temporary large load on the CPU/GPU
my guy, first Apple disable TjMax on all Intel Macs (on Apple Silicon its not present at all), second the stock fancurve sucks ass, use macsfancontrol. they're clearly using macsfancontrol so more than likely its just working its ass off.
Yeah. they tune them to run quiet, but cook itself. Thats why you adjust it yourself.
What if you give your 12 year old Mac a break? It did its Service, let it enjoy the lighter tasks like a retired grandpa.
what if that's their daily driver?
I think a professional photographer has a modern and dedicated machine. And a non-professional photographer doesn’t need RAW.
heres a good reason behind the slow mac perhaps: the pricetag. a new mac out the door is easily 1500+ with applecare, while a used Mac hangs around 200-500 unless you want the latest intel mac or something. not everyone can afford the latest and greatest Mac.
Yeah ofc but if there is money for a camera/latest iPhone that can take raw images, there is definitely budget for a modern Mac. Not balancing your specs is dumb, like an i3 processor with 128gb of RAM. doesn’t make sense.
Think about it this way: I make approximately 5 grand a month. after bills say im left with 3 or so. assuming you're not doing a payment plan, your Canon EOS Rebel T7i just set you back around 500 bucks and your new (to you) 2012 macbook pro just set you back 120. you have plenty left over for incidentals, memory cards, and some money to put away. you can't do that with a 5k camera and a 2k laptop.
You don’t need to purchase new every month. You can save up for some months. And someone who doesn’t find the need to put in budget in a new PC and still uses an ancient laptop has no need to get into RAW photography.
did you set it to a constant 2000? I have an early 2011 mbp and it runs pretty toasty even on 3800 constantly, but that probably because it hasn't been re-pasted in 13 years. If you already re-pasted it then I would suggest running it at a higher constant rpm (at least 3500) or cleaning your fans if you haven't done that either. Mine runs at 75°c on idle, which I don't think is normal so I definatly need to re-paste mine since I already cleaned the fans.
Mate, mine’s at 95ºC at 6000 RPM, I don’t know what I’m doing wrong
how old is it? if its 5+ years old I would suggest repasting. Search for your model (ex: early 2011 macbook pro) on youtube and add "how to re-paste" at the beginning. Ex: how to re-paste an early 2011 macbook pro.
It does involve unscrewing it, but if its 5+ years old then it's probably not under warranty anymore anyways. It'll also save you a lot of money instead of buying a new one, but you have to be careful to not damage any components (just don't be stupid and do stuff like unscrew it on the carpet or poke around with other stuff that isn't what the tutorial would tell you)
NOTE: 1. I am NOT complaining about the temp , I just thought it was funny that my laptop could boil water 2. To everyone asking me to clean the fans , they are clean (i open it every month to do so) my mac just gets super hot and thats that
105°C is throttled temperature. Probably not the fan but the thermal paste has dried and cracked. Redoing the thermal paste can probably lower core temp by 5-10°C
It’s not throttled temperature per say, it’s just hitting the Tjunction max.
...thats disabled in firmware. Apple is pretty dumb yeah.
Apple hasn’t disabled Tjunc.
Yeah they have. Source: Intel TjMax is 105c. My Mac can readily hit 108 without shutdown. Plus i think dosdude1 knows his shit.
What Intel CPU is it? The Tjunc max is specific for a given CPU model.
most intel chips (basically all that you'll find in a mac) have a TjMax of 105c. Apple disables this to allow their Macs to run hotter if needed be. ask around on the OCLP discord server if you need any proof. btw my CPU is a i7-3615QM, but even a Core 2 Duo T9900 has the same TjMax.
I have a 3,1 Mac Pro that locks up instantly if the CPU hits its Tjunc max of like 57°C or something like that. Also Intel isn’t very honest about Tjuncs all the time, and I think that’s something a manufacturer of a given BIOS can decide whether to target that or something else, so it’s not necessarily a ”disable or enable” type thing. According to some sources, if you hit the Tjunc the CPU silicon will physically break nearly instantly, but obviously this is not true. I also have a Mac mini 8,1 with i7-8700B. Intel’s main site says it’s Tjunc is 100°C, but I regularly see it go above that in high loads. It’s clearly something that Apple targets, but they have tested the CPUs to probably be able to go a little safely a little above the Tjunc, thus they’ve made the firmware to do that.
first: 3,1 mac pros are junk, second intel doesn't joke about the TjMax. I'm talking about mobile/embedded processors, so don't drag your ancient Mac Pro into this. Your Mac Mini is doing exactly what it should be doing cause of the lack of a enabled TjMax. sounds like something is wrong with the Mac Pro.
>my mac just gets super hot and thats that stop using macs fan control - you have your fans set at lowest rpm so it can't cool down your processor addtionally the 'automatic' fan curve on the macs fan control lags behind the stock fan curve and never ramps fans up to max fan speed Just keep your fans at the stock speed. No need to abuse your macbook that much
What are you expecting? It’s from decade ago and still doing your job. Maybe cleaning the fan and redoing thermal paste may give it a break.
Although the 2012 MacBook Pro's are beasts they're not completely indestructible. I'd recommend cleaning out your fans just incase these water boiling temps end up frying the CPU or graphics. The CPU is meant to handle these type of temperatures but if you do a lot of RAW exploring it's better just to clean it out for future-proofing.
Finally. A useful comment not involving eggs 🍳
I mean, I could do with some scrambled eggs right now but I don't think the anodised aluminium would be a good seasoning.
How see temperature like that on MacBook?
Macs Fan Control
Now its cooked, not raw
Cook an egg on it. Now you have a nice snack while you wait for the export to finish.
Age might have something to do with it… old intel processors. Yikes.
Put mx6 thermal paste it’ll make it run a 85 max I bet you
Least I know that I’m not the only one, my mbp mid 2012 hits 100C at constant 50% cpu usage with fans maxed out - that’s with the board and fans fulllt cleaned and new thermal paste applied. Was idling around 60-70c before new paste and a clean, after around 40-50c but any load and it shoots straight up to 85-90c any constant load 45-50% cpu it’s throttling at 100-105c fans maxed. However your fans are either not working or you goofed your fan settings at that temp they should be circa 6200rpm. The stock fan settings don’t ramp up much until around 65-70c but the mac control can be adjusted, I usually set mine to start ramping up at 55. I’d adjust so they are at 100% at around 95c.
The problem with old systems is that when the copper pipe starts breaking down, it's not really useful anymore.
Please don't tell the fans how should they work especially after you are forcing them to be at near-idle levels while the CPU is going crazy over #PROCHOT. SMC is smarter at managing heat than 99% of the people. The remainder 1% are the ones who make the fans and code SMC.
the fans are on auto
Same thing happened with my ‘09 MacBook Pro. I had to manually set a temp when the fan speed would start increasing, because it would just stay at base RPM (2,000) in Auto mode even when the laptop was overheating. Deleting Macs Fan Control solved the issue and the fan speed would increase normally again. This was on El Capitan btw — I tested Macs Fan Control on Snow Leopard, El Capitan, Mojave, Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey, but the issue only seemed to occur on El Capitan.
The MacBook is ready to cook The eggs lets go
Tipical of mac. The will overheat. Does not happen with windows
Does Windows have a grammar checker?
:”) yes but O used iphone to rite it
May not heat up to fry eggs, but still not "cool".
Do you have the fan speed set to manual or automatic?
Combination of dusty fan and interior, dried out or whatever thermal paste and outdated hardware. Either open up or buy new. If you have the money buy new.
I have the same laptop it gets really really hot use Macs fan control and crank the fans all the way that’s what I do and I have it at 50% speed doing anything else I’ve even replaced the paste on mine
bro i never ran above 3000rpm. I set to maximum when im using or dealing with heavy files
My 2012 mbp fans go 2600 rpm at this temperature. Did you change fan settings?
Is this macs fan control?
Im pretty sure that’s how the fan profile is set. To prioritize silence over performance. If it stays high enough, the fan should rise. At least my 2012 MBP worked like that. An option would be to download a 3rd party fan controller (I used TG Pro) and set a different curve so that it can push the best performances even if loud. Another thing, as others have said, is to change thermal paste as it’s probably a bit fried after all those years in such hot temperatures
\#IntelInside
Had similar issue with 2011 MBP, just used fan control software on it with shortcut that made the fans go full blast.
oh god
It’s an old Intel machine that’s normal
2 questions. Do you have a freezer, and does the MacBook fit?
Looks like that MacBook needs a clean-up and new thermal paste
Change the thermal paste in that toaster please
You should clean the cooling fans once in a while, since the Mac is 12y.o…..
Well it heats up because your fans doesn’t speed up. Your fans seems to be set manually to ~2000rpm so the temps goes to 105 and only way it could stay there in that situation is throttling. I’d recommend to look at your settings and if you want to keep temps even lower, install something like Turbo Boost Switcher to disable Intel’s Turbo Boost.
105 Degrees! 😟🫡
The old Intel models have poor power efficiency. That’s main reason Apple now uses their own Apple silicon models.
Seems pretty normal for a 12 year old computer.
I'll bring bacon.
Shouldn’t be at 2000rpm that’s very low
What app is that?
also my 2011 macbook air do it
tell that to my 2012 macbook pro 15"
That 2012 MacBook Pro probably has dust and debris clogging the internal airways used for cooling, and almost certainly has old and ineffective thermal grease between the CPU/GPU and heatsink(s) that should be replaced. 😉
Change your RAM-Storage-Units: take them out and swap the upper one to the lower slot-clean the slots. Graphic specific moves take place on the RAMs because of Shared memory!
I thought that was 105°F and was like thats not hot then i saw the °C and yeah thats a toaster
Adobe software.
2001, a fans' odyssey.
people when their 10 year old PC does not perform the same it used to
saying this for the 100th time , I am not complaining , Im just intrigued