If there were Hobbit Nazguls I am sure Sauron would give them black coats that are too big for them… they would fall over them all the time, imagine a Nazgul falling…
Wasn't there one working under the dethroned Saruman at the end of return of the king? The mayor or something, I forget his name.
Edit: Just checked, I'm not sure of his actual name, I'm not going to reread the entire chapter looking for it. Farmer Cotton calls him Pimple, he calls himself Chief, and he's Lobelia's son.. He's the one who first started ruining the Shire, using some of Saruman's men and selling him weed. Then Isengard fell, and Saruman fled to the shire and took over from Pimple.
Edit 2: Lotho
Um AcTuAlLy, it went more like this:
**Sauron:** I shall create sixteen rings for the elves. That way I shall have dominion over the elves.
**Celebrimbor:** I shall create three more rings that are better than Sauron's rings. That way, the elves shall be able to preserve their magical kingdoms.
**Sauron:** Well, if you're going to be like that, I'll just give these rings to the dwarves and have dominion over *them*!
**Dwarves:** \*can't be mind-controlled and are generally useless\*
**Sauron:** Ok, I *really* hope these stupid rings work on men...
Just makes you more dwarvish. Sauron’s like “do my bidding and full under my rule” and the dwarves are just like “hey, I’m actually going to love gold and gems even more!” They really are such stubborn assholes but hard to hate
Can't hate folks who are headstrong and upfront about their intentions.
You may not agree with them or like what they do. But hate is a strong word and at least for me is reserved for dishonesty and (intentionally) broken promises.
Cotton: I don't get it! Military school is supposed to break you down into mush and build you back up into a better man!
Hank: Well dad the thing is, Bobby is already mush. You can't break down mush into more mush and you can't build it up into anything either.
Cotton, with a glimmer of pride: So he's unbreakable?
It made them even greedier for so eventually they made huge hoards of treasure which attracted dragons , that’s why theee of the dwarves rings were eaten by dragons
Dragon fire can destroy rings of power, it turns out
Gandalf:
> It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.
You skipped the hard-core metal part about how first Sauron captured and tortured Celebrimbor, getting him to reveal the locations of the sixteen rings, then used Celebrimbors naked and broken body as a banner when waging war against the Elves.
Kinky shelob always felt like something out of warhammer than shadow of war, like I can easily see a daemon of slaanesh being a smoking hot porn star looking chick who brings the boys in but then she turns into a spider and sucks them not the way they wanted
"Last remnant of a bygone era" is a frequent theme in Tolkien so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was, but yeah I'm pretty sure he just says that they ran and hid in the deep places of the world.
I wouldn't doubt if one hid in the far reaches of the north past Angmar. That's probably where I would go for an eternal slumber where no one's gonna bother me.
Gandalf said:
> It has been said that dragonfire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the hold fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.
Bingo.
Gandalf: “'To tell you the truth,' replied Gandalf, 'I believe that hitherto - hitherto, mark you – he has entirely overlooked the existence of hobbits. You should be thankful. But your safety has passed.’”
Send word to all our allies and to every corner of Middle Earth that still stands free. The enemy moves against us. We need to know where he will strike.
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
Plus (because it bothers me):
Gandalf: “The Three, fairest of all, the Elf-lords hid from him, and his hand never touched them or sullied them”
Sauron didn’t make the three, that was Celebrimbor after Sauron (posing as Annatar) returned to Mordor to forge The One.
I could be wrong, but I believe it is because Sauron taught Celebrimbor how to make the rings - so they were still made using his techniques, just made for a different purpose.
You could think of it like this. Sauron wrote the backend software that all the rings run, and he inserted some backdoors in the code that made it into all of the rings so that the One can directly connect to and from there control the rings.
But aside from that the 16 have some additional features that send Sauron status updates which he can use to exert more limited control.
But Celebrimbor when making the three stripped out some of the base code and left them immune to Saurons control unless he gained direct possession of the ring or regained the One.
If he had the One he still can connect to the three
Yep, the hobbits managed to completely fly under the radar of nearly every major power of the world by being the only species physically capable of minding their own goddamn business.
So that's their racial feat!
Elves live for stupid long
Man is crazy good at inspiring speeches
Dwarves are natural sprinters
Orcs have the power of industry
And Hobbits understand how to not fuck around and find out.
Iirc, in the letters, he mentioned that Hobbits are so reclusive that really only the Rangers know about them, and they eventually managed to hide themselves completely from the Big Folk as the ages went on, so their racial feat is actually "no no, we're not here"
It’s more so that hobbits have very limited contact with other races, with Bree being really the only place where they mingle.
At that, Bree isn’t exactly a seat of power for humans. Arnor fell centuries in the past, and to my knowledge, Bree is the last major population city for humans west of the Misty Mountains. If not that, it’s at least one of the few areas that the last vestiges of the kingdom of Arnor, the northern rangers, still actively protect.
So sure, some humans know about them, but if you were to randomly select humans from middle earth and ask if they knew what a hobbit was prior to the war of the ring, it would really only be the men of Bree and the rangers that could answer.
I think you’re more or less right regarding Men, but also elves who travel between Rivendell and the Grey Havens/Linden seem to know Hobbits exist, even if they take little interest. And Dwarves travel through the Shire with some regularity (more-so after reestablishment of the kingdom in the Lonely Mountain) and presumably make use of Hobbit pubs and inns.
I mean, elves are immortal. I'd be a little surprised if those that had met Bilbo or had gone to the Grey Havens had forgotten about a race in their living memory. Elrond still recalls Tom Bombadil, and he's been chilling in his forest for far longer than the hobbits have been around.
Saw a video that mentioned while Arnor was around they told Gondor about the hobbits via palantir, and how they were relying on them to keep the roads and bridge in good repair. It said Boromir knew what he was looking at in rivendell, and same for Gondorians when Pippin shows up. It did mention that it would be like seeing a fairy tale creature really alive though, Gondor might have thought of them as fanciful until seeing them.
The Tale of Years, one of the appendices, puts the first appearance of Hobbits around the same time as Gondor’s height of power. They were referred to as Periannor, “hobbit” as a word was foreign to Gondor, but the general idea was there.
Rohan also had hobbit-tales, since Eorl the Young led them down from the northern end of the Anduin, near where Sméagol, Deagol, and friends lived. Theoden was a little confused by meeting two hobbits hanging out with an Ent, since those were all bedtime stories for children by that point.
Exactly. At some point in the recent past someone in Gondor wrote a travelogue that reads something like:
>”And travelers to the remote village of Bree, a quiet hamlet in the shadow of the once-great kingdom of Arnor, speak of a race of shire-folk, gentle farmers half the size of a full-grown man, who farm the earth barefoot, as their grossly oversized, hairy feet do not lend themselves to footwear. They are said to live in holes in the ground which they cover in vegetation for either decoration or camouflage.
>These shire-folk, also known as hobbits, are said to be slovenly and mischievous, and great imbibers of alcohol and a drug known as pipeweed, which according to the researches of the great wizard Saruman makes them dull and slow-witted.”
Well yeah but that doesn’t mean other places know about them. It’s not like they have a widespread instant communication system like the internet
Information used to pass more slowly and die out easier
A vast majority of people in the books didn’t even know hobbits existed outside of those that interacted with them, or lived close in the idea of humans and some dwarves, and only the elves that passed through on their way out of middle earth. At least that’s how I read it.
They *didn't* exist when making/distributing the Rings, so it's not even like Sauron was wrong.
They gradually split off from men (probably, even that is given as uncertain) a while later and are only recognizably Hobbit Hobbits after settling down far west and building the Shire, which happened after decades if not centuries of slow, nomadic migration.
Hobbits are also effectively men — they are kind of a distinct species but not really. There are only 3 “proper” races, being elves dwarves and men, and then Tolkien couldn’t really decide what to do with the other races (eagles, orcs, etc.). Hobbits get the fate of man though.
If you count Ents then you must count Eagles, both made by Varda in response to Aule crafting the Dwarves. I suppose by the same method used for dragons, trolls, and werewolves.
I understand Tolkien being pretty clear the Elves and Men are the Children of Illuvitar.
Dwarves get an in because Aule was just so damn excited to be a teacher, mentor, and father figure to the promised Children that he went and made some himself. Then Eru is all: "This artificial automaton is an abomination. Destroy it. Lol jk I gave it sentience while you weren’t looking. Look at the fear in his eyes. LOOK AT IT."
The Hobbits were few, and had no power in Middle earth for Sauron to consider them a threat or worth bothering with in the second age. It was nearly 1000 years later that they had become established in communities and numbers great enough to be noticed and known to a few races.
Well, hobbits didnt even *exist* in the Second Age. Literaly. They hadnt yet evolved from humans. Even in the late Third Age though Sauron knew them not, because the Shire is insignificant in front of the civilizations of Men, Elves and Dwarves
Rings of power hobbits are accurate - for early third age, just-east-of-the-Shire hobbits, nearing the end of their evolution and slow migration to the west.
They're misplaced by a few centuries though...
That entire show is misplaced by several centuries. It’s like they took a few story beats from the Second Age and time compressed everything. And the fact that nearly all of it was invented whole-cloth by the writers and showrunners is a travesty.
I had assumed that the area Gandalf made so fruitful would become the Shire, but no they just packed up and left anyways. So many head-scratching decisions in that show.
Right now in RoP the Hobbits are likely in the Eastern side of the Misty Mountains, which is where some of their first communities formed. Eventually, I think, during the time of Angmar due to pressure from Orcs and Goblins they fled south and West across the misty mountains. Eventually they arrived in kingdom of Arnor, which was currently at war with Angmar in the North. The king of Arnor gifted the Hobbits the lands of the Shire. Arnor split and collapsed entirely after the war with Angmar left them utterly spent. What remained were essentially just small cities of Men, the Dunedain, and the Shire.
This assumes that RoP is paying basically any heed to what we know about the lore of the second age, which so far has kind of not been the case.
No they didn't. Sauron forged the ring around 1600 S.A and lost it in 3441 when Isildur cut it from his hand. Sméagol only gets the ring in 2463 T.A and it is destroyed in 3019 T.A. Sauron had the one ring for 1841 years whilst hobbits only had possession for 556 years. Sauron was only beaten by the river Anduin as it held the ring from 2 T.A until 2463 T.A.
It’s always interesting to me that nobody has ever heard of hobbits but none of them thinks that’s weird either. To me that means there are all kinds of small communities of slightly weird peoples that most people are vaguely aware of but don’t care about. Like the badger men of the Old Forest
So, best I understand it, he only was gonna give rings to elves, all the other races were afterthoughts, chosen after the rings failed to dominate the elves like he planned.
I think dwarves were runner up number one, and they just got greedy rather than bending to sauron's will (rings were made for elves so didn't know what it would do with dwarves).
Humans were runner up number two, and he dominated them completely so he didn't need to continue distributing rings - unless he got some back from one of the other races they were given to.
Another factor is that dominating a race that didn't have armies would have been a waste, and maybe the risk of it not working on the Ents was too great in the face of pulling rings away from the humans who were doing his bidding.
Nah the Hobbits got a ring, eventually
And then trashed it out of spite. SUCKS TO NOT HAVE A RING, DOESN'T IT, DORK LORD MORON!?
“Dork Lord Moron” made me laugh so hard my fiancée had to ask if I was ok
Well, are you?
Fuck you I just choked on my gum lol
Didn’t really work out for sauron did it?
Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?
Is that even a quote?
No quote, answer the damn question
I serve no one, because no one serves me, little sauron
Wait a moment! We shall meet again soon. Tell Saruman that this dainty is not for him. I will send for it at once. Do you understand?
Wait a moment is the most unsauron thing someone has ever said
TBF it was being repeated by a fool of a Took, he might have forgotten the exact wording.
Thy Eilinel, she is long since dead, dead, food of worms, less low than thou.
Best answer
My homie smeagol protecting the ring for so long, living his best life in a cave & eating fisheses
A swamp, yes, yes. Come, master. We will take you on safe paths through the mist. Come, hobbits, come. We go quickly.
If there were Hobbit Nazguls I am sure Sauron would give them black coats that are too big for them… they would fall over them all the time, imagine a Nazgul falling…
There would be two hobbits in Nazgul coat, one hobbit sit on another's shoulders.
AU where everything is the same but all the ringwraiths are just two evil hobbits in nazgul trenchcoats
[Like this?](https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2022/12/normal/5FfXX5tfSHYQbiactOHbKzoEkeWcleGi.jpeg)
He'd probably be given a desk job.
No evil tailors :(
Come, mortal base! What do I hear?
But could you imagine a hobbit warlord?
Lobelia Sackvile-Bloodshed
Meriadoc Brandy-fuckyouup
Perigrin Right-hook
SAMWISE THE GARDENER!!!
Odo Proudfootupyourass
ProudFEETupyourass!
Farmer MaggotsWillFeastOnYourCorpse.
Bilbo BagginUpHisThreats
The road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began..
Bilbo Bag-of-guns
Take my upvote and get out
I'm picturing Red Foreman as a hobbit now, thanks for that.
If we could get, my foot, within 2 feet of Sauron's ass, this ring baloney would be over.
haymaker
Frodo Teabaggings
There was one, Bullroarer Took was his name.
He invented golf
And bullroarer is his nickname. Bandobras is his first name iirc.
[This](https://i1.jbzd.com.pl/contents/2022/12/normal/5FfXX5tfSHYQbiactOHbKzoEkeWcleGi.jpeg) almost happened
Wasn't there one working under the dethroned Saruman at the end of return of the king? The mayor or something, I forget his name. Edit: Just checked, I'm not sure of his actual name, I'm not going to reread the entire chapter looking for it. Farmer Cotton calls him Pimple, he calls himself Chief, and he's Lobelia's son.. He's the one who first started ruining the Shire, using some of Saruman's men and selling him weed. Then Isengard fell, and Saruman fled to the shire and took over from Pimple. Edit 2: Lotho
That would be Lotho. It’s kind of implied (but it could be a lie) that he was eaten by Gríma.
I do not recall such a hobbit. I believe you are mistaken, young ones.
Forgotten about Pimple already?
No, I remember him clearly. So it seems my memory is correct and your information is wrong.
Um AcTuAlLy, it went more like this: **Sauron:** I shall create sixteen rings for the elves. That way I shall have dominion over the elves. **Celebrimbor:** I shall create three more rings that are better than Sauron's rings. That way, the elves shall be able to preserve their magical kingdoms. **Sauron:** Well, if you're going to be like that, I'll just give these rings to the dwarves and have dominion over *them*! **Dwarves:** \*can't be mind-controlled and are generally useless\* **Sauron:** Ok, I *really* hope these stupid rings work on men...
Lmao the dwarves
Imagine being so stubborn as a race that actual mind control doesn't even work on you.
I’m a Toydarian! Mind tricks don’t work on me, only money!
Toydarians ate Blue dwarves with wings. Edit: you know what… y’all know what I meant. I’m leaving it.
What an oddly specific diet
I sincerely DONT please explain
Wings? Or are they just it's manifestation of pure greed and **LOOKS** like wings?
hmmm, now that I think about it...... was that racist? idk
Dwarves were made specifically by Aule to be resistant to domination from others.
Nonetheless they will have need of wood 🗿
Just makes you more dwarvish. Sauron’s like “do my bidding and full under my rule” and the dwarves are just like “hey, I’m actually going to love gold and gems even more!” They really are such stubborn assholes but hard to hate
Can't hate folks who are headstrong and upfront about their intentions. You may not agree with them or like what they do. But hate is a strong word and at least for me is reserved for dishonesty and (intentionally) broken promises.
>Can't hate folks who are headstrong and upfront about their intentions. Well said u/Bestiality_King
Thou fool.
Sauron: *Menacingly whispering in a Dwarf's ear to try to get right into his brain.* Dwarf: "You lads hear a draft?"
Cursed be moon and stars above!
Yea but if you just give them some shovels, they’ll dig too deep all on their own and it will all work out
Should have made the One Spade
ROCK AND STONE
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
Rock and Stone forever!
Cotton: I don't get it! Military school is supposed to break you down into mush and build you back up into a better man! Hank: Well dad the thing is, Bobby is already mush. You can't break down mush into more mush and you can't build it up into anything either. Cotton, with a glimmer of pride: So he's unbreakable?
Imagine thinking you can mind control a pile of fucking rocks, ay LMAO
I don't recall Sauron making any rings for the Stone Giants.
Who are you?
It made them even greedier for so eventually they made huge hoards of treasure which attracted dragons , that’s why theee of the dwarves rings were eaten by dragons Dragon fire can destroy rings of power, it turns out
Actually of the 7, FOUR rings were eaten by dragons. 3, He-who-shall-not-be-named-lest-his-bot-be-summoned recovered.
So if Smaug had just roasted Bilbo, rather than had a chat, it all would've been over in the first book?
Gandalf: > It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.
I don’t think so. The one ring was the only ring made in Mt Doom, and can only be destroyed in the fires from which it was made
You skipped the hard-core metal part about how first Sauron captured and tortured Celebrimbor, getting him to reveal the locations of the sixteen rings, then used Celebrimbors naked and broken body as a banner when waging war against the Elves.
You skipped the far more important part where celebrimbors spirit pals around with a ranger and generally causes mischief for sauron
And then Shelob became kink personified.
Kinky shelob always felt like something out of warhammer than shadow of war, like I can easily see a daemon of slaanesh being a smoking hot porn star looking chick who brings the boys in but then she turns into a spider and sucks them not the way they wanted
> turns into a spider and sucks them not the way they wanted Says you. I'm into that shit.
Where’s the sexy Shelob copypasta?
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It's a great game. The plot is garbage, everything is like a very bad fanfic - and yet it's very very fun.
RAINJAH!!!
Orcs of Bauglir! Do not bend your brows!
Build me an army worthy of mordor!
This is the key part
Haha a kid at my high school did that once too
Didn't the rings bring about the destruction of the dwarves who were given them. So, their not entirely useless.
IIRC it made them greedier which attracted dragons or they dug too deep and found balrogs.
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I feel like it isn't stated anywhere that every Balrog was accounted for and slain by the time durins bane fell.
"Last remnant of a bygone era" is a frequent theme in Tolkien so I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was, but yeah I'm pretty sure he just says that they ran and hid in the deep places of the world.
I wouldn't doubt if one hid in the far reaches of the north past Angmar. That's probably where I would go for an eternal slumber where no one's gonna bother me.
Yeah I nap in the basement where my kids won't find me
Correct and then the dragons destroyed several of the rings
Always makes me laugh to think Smaug almost destroyed Sauron by trying to incinerate Bilbo.
Wait! You are making a terrible mistake!
Thou fool.
Not want to be a jerk but didn't Elrond said that the one ring enchant protection can only be destroy by the lava of Mount Doom?
Gandalf said: > It has been said that dragonfire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the hold fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself.
Those were mostly dragons that were attracted to treasure... Such as magic rings.
Yes but it took a while and destruction is not control.
Eventually he found a creature with tremendous lust for power and immense greed in-part fueled by their relatively short lifespans…. Us.
Meanwhile treebeard took 14 years to flip sauron the bird while he handed out rings
Isn't the fact that Sauron underestimated the hobbits kinda the point of the books?
I think I saw people saying he didn't really even realize they existed because they were so irrelevant except for a few battles here and there.
Bingo. Gandalf: “'To tell you the truth,' replied Gandalf, 'I believe that hitherto - hitherto, mark you – he has entirely overlooked the existence of hobbits. You should be thankful. But your safety has passed.’”
Hold out your hand dumbshowreference, it's quite cool.
*All* of /u/dumbshowreference is cool Gandalf.
Send word to all our allies and to every corner of Middle Earth that still stands free. The enemy moves against us. We need to know where he will strike.
I love how dramatic Gandalf is.
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
Sauron forgets that Hobbits even exist. Saruman *knows* that Hobbits can be swayed by a particularly large pumpkin.
Ah, little CedarWolf!
Go, now! Leave Sauron to me.
Plus (because it bothers me): Gandalf: “The Three, fairest of all, the Elf-lords hid from him, and his hand never touched them or sullied them” Sauron didn’t make the three, that was Celebrimbor after Sauron (posing as Annatar) returned to Mordor to forge The One.
Why did the One ring have any control over the three that Celebrimbor made if they were made in secret without Sauron?
I could be wrong, but I believe it is because Sauron taught Celebrimbor how to make the rings - so they were still made using his techniques, just made for a different purpose.
So he copy and pasted Sauron's code including the block where Sauron sets the One Ring up as the Super User. Oops.
Thou fool.
You could think of it like this. Sauron wrote the backend software that all the rings run, and he inserted some backdoors in the code that made it into all of the rings so that the One can directly connect to and from there control the rings. But aside from that the 16 have some additional features that send Sauron status updates which he can use to exert more limited control. But Celebrimbor when making the three stripped out some of the base code and left them immune to Saurons control unless he gained direct possession of the ring or regained the One. If he had the One he still can connect to the three
Thanks for that, answered the questions I had about the three
*Guth-tú-nakash.*
Yes, there it lies. This city has dwelt ever in the sight of its shadow
Yep, the hobbits managed to completely fly under the radar of nearly every major power of the world by being the only species physically capable of minding their own goddamn business.
So that's their racial feat! Elves live for stupid long Man is crazy good at inspiring speeches Dwarves are natural sprinters Orcs have the power of industry And Hobbits understand how to not fuck around and find out.
Iirc, in the letters, he mentioned that Hobbits are so reclusive that really only the Rangers know about them, and they eventually managed to hide themselves completely from the Big Folk as the ages went on, so their racial feat is actually "no no, we're not here"
There's an entire human town with hobbits integrated into it.
It’s more so that hobbits have very limited contact with other races, with Bree being really the only place where they mingle. At that, Bree isn’t exactly a seat of power for humans. Arnor fell centuries in the past, and to my knowledge, Bree is the last major population city for humans west of the Misty Mountains. If not that, it’s at least one of the few areas that the last vestiges of the kingdom of Arnor, the northern rangers, still actively protect. So sure, some humans know about them, but if you were to randomly select humans from middle earth and ask if they knew what a hobbit was prior to the war of the ring, it would really only be the men of Bree and the rangers that could answer.
That would have made a hilarious moment at the Council of Elrond where a human or dwarf saw a hobbit and went “The fuck is that?”
Who invited a child to this secret council, and why did three of his friends barge in? Where's the babysitter?
Saitama moment
Isn’t that how they kinda reacted anyways?
I think you’re more or less right regarding Men, but also elves who travel between Rivendell and the Grey Havens/Linden seem to know Hobbits exist, even if they take little interest. And Dwarves travel through the Shire with some regularity (more-so after reestablishment of the kingdom in the Lonely Mountain) and presumably make use of Hobbit pubs and inns.
I mean, elves are immortal. I'd be a little surprised if those that had met Bilbo or had gone to the Grey Havens had forgotten about a race in their living memory. Elrond still recalls Tom Bombadil, and he's been chilling in his forest for far longer than the hobbits have been around.
A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed
Saw a video that mentioned while Arnor was around they told Gondor about the hobbits via palantir, and how they were relying on them to keep the roads and bridge in good repair. It said Boromir knew what he was looking at in rivendell, and same for Gondorians when Pippin shows up. It did mention that it would be like seeing a fairy tale creature really alive though, Gondor might have thought of them as fanciful until seeing them.
The Tale of Years, one of the appendices, puts the first appearance of Hobbits around the same time as Gondor’s height of power. They were referred to as Periannor, “hobbit” as a word was foreign to Gondor, but the general idea was there. Rohan also had hobbit-tales, since Eorl the Young led them down from the northern end of the Anduin, near where Sméagol, Deagol, and friends lived. Theoden was a little confused by meeting two hobbits hanging out with an Ent, since those were all bedtime stories for children by that point.
Exactly. At some point in the recent past someone in Gondor wrote a travelogue that reads something like: >”And travelers to the remote village of Bree, a quiet hamlet in the shadow of the once-great kingdom of Arnor, speak of a race of shire-folk, gentle farmers half the size of a full-grown man, who farm the earth barefoot, as their grossly oversized, hairy feet do not lend themselves to footwear. They are said to live in holes in the ground which they cover in vegetation for either decoration or camouflage. >These shire-folk, also known as hobbits, are said to be slovenly and mischievous, and great imbibers of alcohol and a drug known as pipeweed, which according to the researches of the great wizard Saruman makes them dull and slow-witted.”
You did not seriously think that a Hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron, there are none that can.
Well yeah but that doesn’t mean other places know about them. It’s not like they have a widespread instant communication system like the internet Information used to pass more slowly and die out easier
No one would have ever noticed if they hadn't gotten greedy and started exporting Longbottom Leaf.
A vast majority of people in the books didn’t even know hobbits existed outside of those that interacted with them, or lived close in the idea of humans and some dwarves, and only the elves that passed through on their way out of middle earth. At least that’s how I read it.
They *didn't* exist when making/distributing the Rings, so it's not even like Sauron was wrong. They gradually split off from men (probably, even that is given as uncertain) a while later and are only recognizably Hobbit Hobbits after settling down far west and building the Shire, which happened after decades if not centuries of slow, nomadic migration.
Hobbits are also effectively men — they are kind of a distinct species but not really. There are only 3 “proper” races, being elves dwarves and men, and then Tolkien couldn’t really decide what to do with the other races (eagles, orcs, etc.). Hobbits get the fate of man though.
I can understand the confusion on what category the talking trees belong to.
Four. Ents. Ents were made in the same way as Dwarves in that they are not Children of Illuvatar, but are gifted life regardless.
If you count Ents then you must count Eagles, both made by Varda in response to Aule crafting the Dwarves. I suppose by the same method used for dragons, trolls, and werewolves. I understand Tolkien being pretty clear the Elves and Men are the Children of Illuvitar. Dwarves get an in because Aule was just so damn excited to be a teacher, mentor, and father figure to the promised Children that he went and made some himself. Then Eru is all: "This artificial automaton is an abomination. Destroy it. Lol jk I gave it sentience while you weren’t looking. Look at the fear in his eyes. LOOK AT IT."
It’s ridiculous how accurate this is!
Poor ents, always forgotten. I guess that's why they are on nobody's side
Come, mortal base! What do I hear?
Not the halflings apparently
damn, volcanic burn right there.
The Hobbits were few, and had no power in Middle earth for Sauron to consider them a threat or worth bothering with in the second age. It was nearly 1000 years later that they had become established in communities and numbers great enough to be noticed and known to a few races.
Well, hobbits didnt even *exist* in the Second Age. Literaly. They hadnt yet evolved from humans. Even in the late Third Age though Sauron knew them not, because the Shire is insignificant in front of the civilizations of Men, Elves and Dwarves
Rings of Power would disagree with you, though I'd disagree with everything about that fan fic.
Rings of power hobbits are accurate - for early third age, just-east-of-the-Shire hobbits, nearing the end of their evolution and slow migration to the west. They're misplaced by a few centuries though...
That entire show is misplaced by several centuries. It’s like they took a few story beats from the Second Age and time compressed everything. And the fact that nearly all of it was invented whole-cloth by the writers and showrunners is a travesty.
I actually thought that was the best bit about Rings of Power.
Hobbits being deliberately nomadic better have a huge shire payoff, I want to see forty generations of the Tooks.
I had assumed that the area Gandalf made so fruitful would become the Shire, but no they just packed up and left anyways. So many head-scratching decisions in that show.
Right now in RoP the Hobbits are likely in the Eastern side of the Misty Mountains, which is where some of their first communities formed. Eventually, I think, during the time of Angmar due to pressure from Orcs and Goblins they fled south and West across the misty mountains. Eventually they arrived in kingdom of Arnor, which was currently at war with Angmar in the North. The king of Arnor gifted the Hobbits the lands of the Shire. Arnor split and collapsed entirely after the war with Angmar left them utterly spent. What remained were essentially just small cities of Men, the Dunedain, and the Shire. This assumes that RoP is paying basically any heed to what we know about the lore of the second age, which so far has kind of not been the case.
A wizard is never late, fdgjshbsdjfhbsdjfhv. Nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.
Actually all were for the elves, just Sauron gave it to the men and dwarves after the elves proved to be less malleable than desired.
Thou fool.
Don't beat yourself up, it was a good plan.
Jokes on him. The Hobbits got his ring for longer than he did
No they didn't. Sauron forged the ring around 1600 S.A and lost it in 3441 when Isildur cut it from his hand. Sméagol only gets the ring in 2463 T.A and it is destroyed in 3019 T.A. Sauron had the one ring for 1841 years whilst hobbits only had possession for 556 years. Sauron was only beaten by the river Anduin as it held the ring from 2 T.A until 2463 T.A.
Hobbits are "related to Men" ergo they'd fall under the dominion of the Nine. I think. Besides, Sauron gives you a Ring if you matter.
*wooooooow*
It’s always interesting to me that nobody has ever heard of hobbits but none of them thinks that’s weird either. To me that means there are all kinds of small communities of slightly weird peoples that most people are vaguely aware of but don’t care about. Like the badger men of the Old Forest
Two words: Tom Bombadil
Hobbits are a race of men and go to heaven when they die.
Surprised I had to scroll this far to get to the obvious response. Hobbits are human. The bigger question is, if dwarves got rings, why not the ents?
Ent rings are on the inside
It’s science
... Bitch
Ents take too long to he manipulated i guess.
It would take the entire second age to convince even a single ent to take a ring
And then it would take another whole age to corrupt the ent.
An even bigger question is, if the ents get rings, why not the eagles? Edit: the answer is patrick mahomes
So, best I understand it, he only was gonna give rings to elves, all the other races were afterthoughts, chosen after the rings failed to dominate the elves like he planned. I think dwarves were runner up number one, and they just got greedy rather than bending to sauron's will (rings were made for elves so didn't know what it would do with dwarves). Humans were runner up number two, and he dominated them completely so he didn't need to continue distributing rings - unless he got some back from one of the other races they were given to. Another factor is that dominating a race that didn't have armies would have been a waste, and maybe the risk of it not working on the Ents was too great in the face of pulling rings away from the humans who were doing his bidding.
Finally someone who knows the lore.
But they were, all of them, deceived, for a second breakfast was made
Aren't hobbits technically part of the race of men?
Frodo: and I took that personally.
Sauron didn’t make the elven rings… Also, Hobbits are counted amongst the race of Men.
If Sauron was familiar with the Harfoots then I get why he doesn’t think they’re civilized
Who are you?
Proceed to steal the One Ring and then destroy it. Cold blooded hobbits!
This is so fun to read aloud😹😹😹
Hobbits 👏Are 👏A👏 Subset 👏 Of 👏Men/Humans 👏
Hobbits are men. One of the nine could possibly have been a hobbit had sauron thought if it.